{ "slug": "dow-uap-d092", "title": "DOW-UAP-D092 DAF-Committee-to-Review-Project-Bluebook 1966-1967", "agency": "DoW", "year": "1967", "page_count": 85, "source_page": "https://wearenotalone.space/document/dow-uap-d092/", "original_file": "https://wearenotalone.space/Season 04/release_04_documents/Documents/DOW-UAP-D092_DAF-Committee-to-Review-Project-Bluebook_1966-1967.pdf", "license": "U.S. Government work — public domain. Text is machine OCR from the original scan; the page image is authoritative.", "pages": [ { "n": 1, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p01.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 2, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p02.jpg", "text": "DEPARTMENT OF THE AlR FORCE\nAIR FORCE OFFICE OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH (OAR)\nARLINGTON, VIRGINIA 22209\nAttendees - meeting with Dr. James McDonald, Uni.versity of Arizona\nat the Pentagon 17 April 1967\nLt. Col. Harold A. Steiner, Ass't. Exec. Secre. USAF Scientific Advisory Board,\nPentagon, Room SD982 Washingtt>n, D.c. Tele. 697-4648 (Code 11-74648).\nCol. George Freeman, Chief, Civil Branch, SAFOI-C,\nRoom 4Al20, The Pentagon,\nWashington, D.C. Tele. 697-1128 (Code 11-71128).\nCol. Marvin Stanley, Chief, Public Information Division, SAFOIP,\nRoom 4C922,\nThe Pentagon, Washington, D.C. Tele. 695-5554 (Code 11-55554).\nH. Philip Hovnanian, Program Engineer, NASA Hq. Room F50016, 400 Maryland Ave., S.W.\nWashington, D.C. Tele. 962-4961 (Code 13-24961).\nGeorge H. Duncan, Advanced Programs & Technology Manager, NASA Hq. Room 50016,\n400 Maryland Ave., s.w. Washington, D.C. Tele. 962-4961 (Code 13-24961).\nDt. Dale W. Jenkins, Ass't Director (Science), NASA Hq. Office of Space Science &\nApplications Room F50078, Washington, D.C. Tele. 962-4621 (Code 13-24621).\nHans\nDolezalek, Atmospheric Scientist, ONR Branch Office, 495 Summer Street,\nBoston, Massachusetts 02210. Tele. 696-3563 (Code 11-63563).\nMr. James Hughes, Head, Atmospheric Science Program, Office of Naval Research,\nCode 412, Washington, D.C. 20360. Tele. 696-6739 (Code 11-66739).\nPhillip V. Mitchell, Technical Staff Member, Institute for Defense Analyses,\n400 Army-Navy Drive, Arlington, Va. 22202. Tele. 558-1641.\nJoseph Coates, Senior Staff Member, Institute for Defense Analyses, 400 Army­\nNavy Drive, Arlington, Va. 22402. Tele. 558-1653.\nLynn E. Catoe, Library o~ Congress, Science & Technology Div., UFO Bibliography\nProject, Washington, D.c.\nTele. 967-8088.\nDan Taylor, Staff Information Officer, AFOSR (SRGC) ~rlington, Va. 22209.\nTele. 694-4875. (Code 11-44875).\nMaj. Joseph P. Martino, Ass't. Exec. Dir® Research Communication, AFOSR (SRGC)\nArlington, Va. 22209. Tele. 694-4875 (Code 11-44875).\nDr. J. Thomas Ratchford, Project Scientist, AFOSR (SRPS) Arlington, Va. 22209.\nTele. 694-5588 (Code 11-45588).\nMaj. William Metscher, Physicist, Hq. OAR (RROSP) Arlington, Va. 22209.\nTele. 694-5505 (Code 11-45505).\nDAN TAYLOR\nStaff Information Officer\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 2" }, { "n": 3, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p03.jpg", "text": "NW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 3" }, { "n": 4, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p04.jpg", "text": "NW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 4" }, { "n": 5, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p05.jpg", "text": "I\n,,'.\n-\n..\n·---·\n•\nUSAF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY roARD\nAD HOC COMMI'l'rEE TO\nREVlEW PROJECT BIDE BOOK\nRoam 5D-1014, the Pentagon\n1400, 19 April 1966\n(\nMEETING STATISTICS\nI.\n1400\nPurpose of Meeting\nLt Colonel Steiner, SAB\n1410\nDiscussion\n.Al.l attendees\n1630\nAdjourn\nII.\n..............ose and Place:\nTo discuss how best to implement the recommenda­\ntions made by the SAB Ad Hoc Committee to Review Project Blue Book~\nThe discussion was held in Room 5D-1014, the Pentagon.\nIII. Those Present and\nose Thereof:\nName\nAffiliation\nDr. Brian O'Brien\nChairman\nConsultant\nDr. Jesse Orla.nsky\nMember\nIDA\nCol Robert Burger\nSAB Secretary\nAFBSA\nol Robert Hippler\nParticipant\nAFRSTA\nMrs. Sara Hunt\nParticipant\nSAFOI\nL/Col Harold A. Steiner\nSAB Secretary\nHq USAF (AFRSA)\nReviewed - Report of the SAB Ad Hoc Conmiittee to Review Project Blue\nBook, March 1966.\nI\nV.\nVerbatim Record:\n(see attached)\nVI. Certification:\nThese meeting statistics are certified as being true and correct.\nIV.\n••\nreviewed\nHAROLD A. STEINER, Lt Colonel, USAF\n1 Atch\nAssistant Secretary\nRecord, dated 20 Apr 66\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\nNW 90306.\nDocld:34714a41 Page 5" }, { "n": 6, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p06.jpg", "text": "II' i't~i::t-<2;:f:,:L,#•t.•.) .hi':.~;'? i~:.ll·z..i\nHEADQUARTERS UNITE.\n, ATES AIR FORCE\nUSAF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY BOARD\nOFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE & CHIEF OF STAFF\nMEMO FOR:\nRecord\nThe following distribution waa made on Memo tor\nRecord, 20 Apr 66, regarding UFO Meeting 1400,\n19 April 66, Roca 5D-1014;\nes made\neJ\nOriginal--#1-o::f-t:,--~~\n#2. ot 6 - ll&iled to Dr. Stever:;\n#3 ot 6 - sent to Lt Col Hippler, AFRSTA\n:/14- of 6 - sent to Mrs. Sara Hunt, SA.POI\n#5 ot 6 - circulated vithin\n• c~\n,\n~--~\nm.Jm\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 6" }, { "n": 7, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p07.jpg", "text": "USAF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY EOARD\nAD HOC C{Ht{I'ITEE TO\nREVJEW PROJECT BWE BOOK\nHQ FTD, WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB, OHIO\n3 FEBRUARY 1966\nMEETING STATISTICS\nI. ~: (see attached)\nII.\nse and Place: To review the resources, methods and findings\nof Air Force Project Blue Book and to advise the Air Force as to\nany improvements that should be made in the program to carry out\nthe Air Force 's responsibility. Briefings held in Commanders\nConference room at Hq, FI'D. Discussions and review of case files\nheld in Project Blue Book office.\nIII. Those Present and\nse Thereof:\nName\n~\nAffiliation\nDr. Brian O'Brien\nDr. IB.unor F. Carter\nDr. Jesse Orlanaky\nDr. Richard Porter\nDr. Carl Sagan\nDr. Willis H. Ware\nCol John P. Spaul.ding\nDr. Anthony Cacioppo\nCol Warren Wheeler\nMaj Hector Quintanella.\nMr. Francis Arcier\nCol Florian Holm\nL/Col Harold A. Steiner\nChairman\nMember\nMember\nMember\nMember\nMember\nBriefer\nParticipant\nParticipant\nBriefer\nParticipant\nBriefer\nSAB Sec\nConsultant\nSystem Development Corp.\nIDA\nGE Company\nSmithsonian Astrophysical.\nObservatory\nRand Corporation\nS.AFOI\nFl'D\nFTD\nFTD\nConsultant to FTD\nF'I'D\nHq USAF (AFBSA)\nIT.\nRe orts Contributions Pro osala etc. issued received reviewed,\na!)Rroved,2 ;12re12 ed or disseminated durins the EroceedinS:\nReviewed: Robertson Report, dated 17 January 1953\nSelected case histories from Project mue Book\nDistributed: Compilation of Project Blue Book Methods and Case Histories,\ndated 3 February l\nV.\nVerbatim. Record:\nNone\nVI. Certification:\nThese meeting statistics are certified as being true and correct.\nRABOLD A. S\n, Lt Col, USAF\nAssistant Secretary\nNW 90306\n... _1ent1f'1o Advisory Board\nDoclrl:3471484iTage 7" }, { "n": 8, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p08.jpg", "text": "NER,\n..\n....,'\nAD HOC COMMITTEE ON\nUNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS\nAGENDA\n• ,.;J1ursday, 3 FeJ?ruary 1966\n0800\nWelcoming Remarks\n0805\nIntroduction\n0810\nThe Air Force Problem\n0830\nBriefing on Project\nBlue Book\n1000\nBreak\n1015\nReview of Selected\nCase Histories\n1145\nLunch\n1315\nExecutive and Writing\nSession\nLt Colonel, USAF\nAssistant Executive Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\n8\nNW90306,\nDodd:3471.uJ41 ~'age 8\n(UFOs)\nCommander or\nVice Commander, FTD\nDr. O'Brien, SAB\nLt Col Spaulding,\nSAFOI\nMajor Quintanilla,\nFI'D\nFTD Staff\n22 December 1965" }, { "n": 9, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p09.jpg", "text": "Obairman---\n.. _ _...,,,\n~r Otfioinl th:;e Only\nMEK> FOR RECORD\n20 April 1966\nSUBJECT:\nImplementing SAB Ad Hoc Coan:lttee on Project Blue• Book\nRecommendations\n1. The following personnel met at 1400 on 19 April in Room 5D-l0l4\nto discuss how best to 1.mplement the recommendations made by the SAB\nAd Hoc Committee to review ProJect Blue Book.\nDr. Brian O'Brien\nColcael Robert Burger, AFBSA.\n•·\nDr. Jesse Orlansky\nLt Col Harold Steiner, AFB&\\\nLt Col Robert Hippler, AFR'l'SA\nM:ra. Bara Hunt, SAroI\n2.\nOn 5 April\n, Secretary ot the Air Force Harold Brown, 1n a\n..\nmemorandum. to the Chief of Staff, stated that the Committee's\n..\nrecamnendationa should be accepted and arrangements me.de tor a (sic)\nscientific team to investigate 1n depth· certain selected sightings\nof UFOs.\nGeneral Ferguson was given responsibility for implementing\nthe Committee's recommendations and Lt Colonel Hippler is project\notticer.\n3. Although the Committee's recommendation was clear and succinct,\ninitially there was no unanimous agreement on how to put this\nrecommendation into effect. A basic question is:\n(1) Should the contract be vith a university or should it be\nwith individual• connected with a 1.Dliveraity1 A great deal of .\nthe meeting was taken up discussing these facets of the problem\nend a clear anner did not evolve. Therefore, it is probable that\nI, and perhaps some selected members of the Canm1.ttee1uy be asked\nto meet with Colonel Hippler again.\n4. Gener~, the concept of using uni'VersitteE(or individuals tran\nuniversities) is good. Specifically, however, :there needs to be a lead\nuniversity to coordinate and collate the investigations. After\nsome discussion, it was B\\J88e&ted that the University of Da.yton is\nprobably .most appropriate because it is located close to Hq FTD who\nwill retain management ot Project Blue Book. 'Other universities\nwere suggested that could provide personnel to give areal coverage\not com.JS.\nThey are liated below.\nEast\nWest\nSouth\nRensselaer, Tro7, lf.Y.\nUtah\nVanderbilt\n..\nColumbia\nColorado\nDuke\n-­\nNYU\nIowa\nUniv of Florida\nUniv ot Conn.\nWisconsin\nGeorgia Tech\nYale\nIllinois\nU:liv of Georgia\nCornell\nChicago\nll\\1v of Dayton\nuniv of Calif (Berkeley)\nCarnegie Tech\nUCLA\nOregon\n.,..votary\nWashiDgton\n~bnioalDir\nRice\n~sst. Seoreta\nlbiv ot Texas\n~st. S@oreta\n~st. se'creta\nColr.Y'11r\not\nCopies\n-Asst. $earet ,\n. .......-~\nNW 90306\"\n»-•r ~tioial Use Only\nAc:ttsrili/A'sst.-----L....._,-·-·_,___\nDoclrl:3471.ffl41 Page 9" }, { "n": 10, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p10.jpg", "text": ".For Official U::a:i Onlv\nColonel Hippler pointed out that it will probably be September before\nhe gets the money to implement this plan. Dr. Orlsnsky pointed out\nthat because of the summer holiday, Colonel Hippler should make contact\nwith the Wliversities before the end of May.\nt·\n5. Since we are dealing with an emotional phenomenon, there was some\n,t\ndiscussion about whether universities (i.e., their presidents) would be\nwilling to get involved with UFOs.\nDr. O'Brien suggested that Dr. Stever;\nas President of Carnegie Tech, might send letters to a fev selected\nuniversity presidents with whom. he is acquainted to get some idea of\ntheir feelings on this matter.\n(ACTION:\nAFBSA).\nIn this way we can\nleam what a typical reaction might be and also some of the pitfalls\nto avoid when contacting other universities.\n6. 1here are still several unanswered questions or problem areas:\n(a) Since the problem is 99fo public relations,it is essential that\nthe investigating teams have aom.e modicm ot skill 1n press relations.\nIt was stl\"OJlgl)\" suggested that a good solid PIO type (perhaps incognito)\nbe included on, the first few investigation. te811l8.\n'Dlis caused quit~ a,\nbit ot discussion and a final answer did not evolve.\n•\n(b) The objective is to have impartial scientists from schools vith\ngood reputations that have never been involved with UFOs.\n(c) Considerable thought must be given to how the contract or\ncontracts are to be written.\n(d) In order to utilize their talents to the best advantage, it'was\nproposed and accepted that Dr. J. Allen Hynek and Dr. Donald Menzel\nform the nucleus of a Consultant-Advisor team to work with Hq Fl'D in\ndetermining which sightings the university team should investigate.\n(e} When teams are selected, it is strongly recommended that they\nbe brought together at sane certain location such as Hq F'1'D and given\na thorough briefing on what is expected of them.\nThis briefing should\ncover allot the intangibles and pitfalls that must be avoided in\norder to give good Air Force public relations.\n(f) Another que,ation that was not :tully resolved is how AFSC\nshou1d get into the act. ihe Committee'• original thought was that\nsomeone from the nearest AFSC base should work with the investigating\nteam.\nThe Committee also recODDended that a member ot the OSI might\nwork with the university teaaa and giTe them the benetit ot their\ninvestigating experience. It waa queationed whether thie would help\nor hurt. the Air l'orce ettort. leither ot these questions were\ntul.17 reaolve4.\n2\nJtor Otticial Use Onl,.\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:347148-41 Page 10" }, { "n": 11, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p11.jpg", "text": "(g} It was pointed out that the National Research Council had\nconducted an exercise in Disaster Research which had involved sane\ninvestigating teams similar to the ones we are discussing. Although\nthe committee is now defunct, Mrs. MarJorie Wilson, Government Code\n1224 - 23 239 has their reports and will be glad to let us review\nthem.\n' ...\n·•·\n·• I\n'\\,\n~-\nAsaietant Secretary\n'\n- 1'\n,,,.,\nI\nV ..\nUSAr Scienti.tic Advisory Board\n..\n., '\n\\' •\nLt Col, UBAJ'\n,,\n3\nl'tr Otticial Use Onlv\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 11" }, { "n": 12, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p12.jpg", "text": ",,-;w~·~;;tlSIM.~•~,,,·,\"'i-;;;•n•;_..r,,\nMEMO IOUl'INS SUP\n;'XJNJUilll.:INt'ES Oil\n!\ni\n__.:..1':....,_..._,:_1_:~---~·~-....,..__._J.r,,._-; _____ _....•,...., __.,__1 _____\"\"t,,,,v1)1.1'-...~.\n1 TO\nI ,am&u ~iK~!J\\U\n•~-----------•-..-\n....,,_~~••--------•••••I :i...-.,•-•---!i.-1•\"\"'-•;i-,_,,®,~•-c,••RANDUMFORRICORD\n18 May 1966\nSUBJECT:\nConversation with Dr. Stever Concerning SAB Support to USAF\nInvestigations ot UFOs\nl. On 17 May I discussed BAB support to USAF investigation• of UFOs with\nDr. Stever. In a previous l,et't~er ldated 21 April\nwe bad aaked.\nDr. Stever to informally query s0111e of hie univeraity-preaident colleagues\nto determ:l.ne the beet m.odua operandi tor approaching universities and\naaking thell to provide people and reaourcea to investigate acientiticalq\nselected UFO aiptings aa recaamencied by the ~\nAd Hoc Conlllittee.\n1bia\nJl8IIO docUMD.ta hi• tindinga and conclusions on this matter.\na.\nOn the baaia ot his infomal. contacta.:with univeraity preaidenta,\nDr. Stever believe• the Air Force will get mixed reaction• to ita ret.Mat\nto univera1tiea4!1\non the~ aide ot the picture, he baa gleaned\ntheae general reactions:\na. It my be againat acae school's policy to make contractual\narrangements 'With the government.\nb.\nSolle aivera1t1•• will bave no interest or have any qualified\ninveatigatora.\n3. en the 2,2■1t,1ve side, the toll.owing reactions were received:\na. Some univeraitiea will do the Job lmder con.tract.\nb.\nSolle would like to do the Job troll a reaearch aspect.\n(lfOTB:\nDr. Stever c01111M1Dted that thia 'M:3 be the ••toot in the door\" approach\nto requeat a4d1ticmal research fund• tor vork at the lmiveraity that\nmy be conatrue4 to be related to the U10 inveatigation.)\n, 4. Dr. SteTer belieYe■ that, aa a vbole, the mller universities vill\nbe :more receptive tban the l&rger onea.\n5. Dr. Stever baa had a011e secoa.4 thoushta 011 the SAB (specifically, him)\naend1ng the initial letter• to the •elected universities. He believes\nthat the lett'i'r'\"'iliould cme frail and be aigned b7 an action office within\nthe Air Force. nie letter aight reter to the recaaendations ot the SAB\nscientific r.aajttee aa a baa1a tor the Air Force action• to initiate a\nmore scientific al)prO&eh ill tuture ■elected UFO in.Veatigaticna. In other\nvorda, instead ot a letter f'roll a college president to a college president,\nDr. Stever felt the .Air Force could aak.e a very acceptable case if it\nframed ita letter around these two pointa,\na. 'Jhe value ot participating in auch 1Dveat1gations to the school, and\nb. !he va1ue to the Air Force and the nation.\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:341'1.ffl41 Page 15" }, { "n": 16, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p16.jpg", "text": "6.\nD.r. Stever stated that he would be happy to rniw and critique\nthe draft letter from a miveraity preaiden.t'• viewpoint.\n7. Dr. Stever also suggested that OSR could probably advise vhich\nuniversities are most ljkely to cooperate and since aoat tmivera1tiea\nhave bad dealings w1th OSR, J)erhap• that organisation could otter 801le\nadvi•• on the initial letter and Jl&1be ffen send the letter f:rolll that\notti •\nBOBBR'l\nCopies to: Lt Col Hippler, .lFR8'1'\nSecretary\nMra. Bunt, SA.rOI\nUSAf Sc1ent1t1c Adviaory Board\nDr. Brian O'Brien\n2\nNW 90306,\nDocld:347'14841 Page 16" }, { "n": 17, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p17.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 18, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p18.jpg", "text": "DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FOR-.:...:.\nWASHINGTON\nMEMORANDUM FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF\nAttached is a copy of the Special Report of\nthe SAB Ad Hoc Committee to Review Project \"Blue\nBook.\"\nI believe that the Committee's recommendations\nshould be accepted and arrangements made to contract\nfor a scientific team to investigate in depth certa.in\nselected reported sightings of UFO's.\nIf·you concur>\nGeneral LeBailly can work with General Ferguson and\nAFSC in making the arrangements.\nHarold Brown\nAttachment\nf\nl\n,,..._...............,.., ..\"'\"'\"_,_,.....,, .... ...., ......,\n\"\n," }, { "n": 19, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p19.jpg", "text": "l\nDEPAR~·\n1';MT OF THE AIR FORCE AIR STAFF '\n•MARY SHEET\nACTION\ns tGNAT UFUi (Surname and Grade)\nTO\nACTION\nSIGNATURE (Surname and Grede)\nAFRDC\n2\n7\n3\n1-----------------t 8\n4\n9\n5\n1--------------110\nSURNAME OF ACTION OFFICER ANO GRAOlt\nSYMBOL\nPHONE\nTYPIST'S INIT, SUSPENSE DATE\nLt Colonel Steiner\nAFBSA\n78845\nmjm\nSUBJECT\nOATS:\nSAB Ad Hoc Committee Report\n30 March 1966\nSUMMA\"'Y\n1. Attached for your signature 1s a letter transmitting to General LeBailly the\nSpecial Report of the SAB Ad Hoc COIEittee to Review Project Blue Book.\n2. The Comittee was formed and the report is being submitted in response to\nGeneral LeBailly's memorandum to you on 28 September 1965 (Atch 2) requesting\nthat the SAB review Air Force Project Blue Book.\nThe objective of this\ninvestigation was to determine if and how the Air Force could improve its\nprogram for investigating UFO's.\nThe Carmittee concluded that the program\ncan be improved by conducting a more thorough scientific investigation of\nquestionabJ.e sightings, and recommended a method for doing this.\n3. Recommended distribution 1s:\nSAFOI\nAFRDC\nCoanittee Members\nCommander, FTD\nAFSC DCS/Foreign Technology\nSAB Secretariat\nChairman, SAB\nNumber of\n25\nl\nleach\n5\n2\n2\n1\n4. After your signature and approval of the recommended distribution, we will\nopriate action to forward the copies ot the report.\nROBERT J. BURGER, Colonel, USAF\nSecretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\n2 Atch\n1. Ltr of Transmittal\n2. SAFOI Memo, 28 Sep 65\n0\nAFHQ JARR~2 50\nPREVIOUS EDIT! ONS OF THI s FORM ARE OBSOLETE.\n~w 9030fi\nI Docld:34714841 Page 19\nl" }, { "n": 20, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p20.jpg", "text": "NW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 20" }, { "n": 21, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p21.jpg", "text": "2\n3\ns\nTO\nGen F\nMil\nACTION\nDEPARl\nNT OF THE AIR FORCE AIR STAFF !\n'MRY SHEET\nSIGNATURE (Surname and Grade)\nTO\nACTION\nSIGNATUAE (Surname and Grade)\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\nSURNAME OF ACTION OFFICER AND GRADE\nSYMBOL.\nPHONE\nTYPIST•s INIT. SUSPENSE DA TE\nCol Burger\nAFBSA\n74811\nal\nSUl'lJliCT\nDATE\nSAB Information/Action Item\n5 October 1965\nSUMMAPl Y\n1.\nThis request arrived in our office today apparently without\nyour seeing it.\n2.\nI discussed it briefly with Dr. Stever and his initial reaction\nwas lukewarm.\nHe questioned the value of a review of the UFO pro­\ngram by the SAB.\nHe suggested that we might talk to some other SAB\nmembers knowledgeable in this area to get their opinion on the\nvalue of such an SAB undertaking.\nWe thought of Brian O'Brien\n(FTD/DAG), Jesse Orlansky (Psychology), Dick Porter (Geophysics),\nand possibly Court Perkins and Dr. Markey.\n3.\nBefore we do this, however, Dr. Stever thought we should get\nyour views on this to see if perhaps there is some additional\ninformation or facts which would give a clue on why the request\nade.\nROBERT\n. BUR\nColonel, USAF\nSecretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\n.,\nAtch\nMemo on UFOs\nAFHQ ::RR~2 50\nPREVIOUS EDITIONS OF THI s FORM ARE OBSOLETE.\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 21" }, { "n": 22, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p22.jpg", "text": "DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR\" FORCE\nWASHINGTON\nOFFICE OF THE SECRETARY\nMEMORANDUM FOR MILITARY DIREGI'OR; SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY BOARD\nSUBJE~:\nUnid.entified Flying Objects (UFOs)\nIn keeping with its air defense role, the Air Force has the\nresponsibility for the investigation of unid.entif'ied :flying objects\nreported over the United States. The name of this project i.s Blue\nBook (Attachment 1). Procedures for conducting this program are\nestablished by Air Force Regulation 200-2 (Atta.cl'n:nent 2)~\nThe Air Force bas conducted Project Blue Book since 1948.\nAs\nof 30 June 1965, a total of 9267 reports had been investigated by\nthe Air .Force.\nOf these 9267 reports, 663 cannot be explained.\nIt has been determined by the Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff'/\nPlans and Operations that Project Blue Book is a worthwhile program\nwhich deserves the support of all staff agencies and major command.s\nand that the Air Force should continue to invest;igate and analyze\nall UFO reports in order to assure that such objects do not present\na threat to our national security.\nThe Assistant Deputy Chie:f of'\nStajrf/Plans and. Operations has determined also that the Foreign\nTechnology Division (FrD) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base should\ncontinue to exercise its presently assigned responsibilities concern­\ning UFOs.\nTo date, the Air Force has found no evidence that any of the\nUFO reports re:flect a threat to our national security. However,\nmany of the reports that cannot be explained have come from intelli­\ngent a.nd technically well qualified individuals whose integrity can­\nnot be doubted. In addition, the reports received officially by the\nAir Force includ.e only a fraction of the spectacular reports which\nare publicized by many private UFO organizations.\nAccordingly, it is requested that a working scientific panel\ncomposed of both physical and social scientists be organized to\nreview Project Blue Book -- its resources, methods, and findings -­\nand to advise the A:i.r Force as to any improvements that should\nbe made in the program in order to carry out the Air Force's\nassigned responsibility.\n5\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 22" }, { "n": 23, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p23.jpg", "text": "I\nDoctor J. Allen Hynek who is the Chairman of the Dearborn\nObservatory at Northwestern University is the scientific consultant\nto Project Blue Book.\nHe has indicated a willingness to work with\nsuch a panel in order to place this problem in its proper perspec­\ntive.\nDoctor Hynek has discussed ·this problem with Doc·tor Winston\nR. Markey, the former Air Force Chief Scientist..\nt\nf,,,.\"\n:,'I'\n/_\n/''\n/\n/ .....•• .Qt..(..._(_,~-- .\n...._,...,.,\nE. B. LeBAILLY\nMajor General, USAF\nDirector of Information\n2 Attacbments\n1. Blue Book Report\n2.\nAFR 200-2\n6\n/\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 23" }, { "n": 24, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p24.jpg", "text": "·1·\nN. S, '1·· I r·1 ••\n.l 1·\n··1~\n1·-?\nF () R.\n.\nl,_\n.\n..\n...J\n(i( ·i\nl I.;;\n1d rei hnu!(,gy l)iviswn I ----\nFebruary 13, 1969\nLt. Colonel Harold A. Steiner, USAF\nAssistant Executive Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\nDepartment of the Air Force\nHeadquarters United States Air Force\nWashington, D.C.\n20330\nDear Hal,\nI appreciate your thoughtfulness in sending me a copy of\nthe Condon Report on UFO's.\nHe and his group seem to have done\na tremendous job, just about what our committee thought was\nneeded.\nI guess we were very lucky to have reviewed the situation\nin such timely fashion in 1966.\nThe fine endorsement of his work\nby the National Academy of Sciences confirms that Condon has done\nwhat was needed.\nIt is a pleasure to see this fruitful outcome to our recom­\nmendation and I appreciate having the report.\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 24" }, { "n": 25, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p25.jpg", "text": "<\n\\\n\"'\nSYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION\nI fA~\n----­\n2500 Colorado Avenue· Santa Monica, California 90406\nFebruary 28, 1969\nLt. Colonel Harold A. Steiner\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\nHeadquarters U.S. Air Force\nWashington, D. C. 20330\nDear Colonel Steiner:\nThank you very much for sending me the Condon Report\nand the National Academy of Sciences review of the\nreport.\nI have not yet had time to read the com­\nplete report but have glanced through it, and it\n1\ncertainly seems comprehensive®\nI1he National Academy\nreview certainly gives it good credibility and\nought to take care of any serious critici.sm.\nCordially yours,\nc--··--~..\n'-.,,\n;''.\n·,...\n\\.\nc·a:~~~r •\nN\"•····~:·.\nVice President and Manager\nPublic Systems Division\nLFC:db\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 25" }, { "n": 26, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p26.jpg", "text": "I I\n20330\nl2 February l\n'\nI\nDr• B. (Juytord stner\nPresident\ncameg1e-Mellon University\nPittaburgh, Pennaylvania 15213\nDear Dr. steYer\nI a pleaaed to aelld you thia ,eraoul copy ot the Condon\nR-:port on Un.1dent1t1ed Flying Ob.1ectai!I\nHo doubt you will be\nsurprised, aa I was, at the depth ot the 1lUYfflit7 of Colon.do\n•tu.dT• Little could v• au••• when the O'Brien SAB Caaittee\naet in February\ntbat it would aerre a• a aprincboe.rd tor\nthis volalnou.a ettort. hr•ozua.111', I am aat1atied vith 'me\nresult• ot the atudy and bellwe it p.ita the Air Force 1n an\nexcellent po11t1on to counter cr1t1c1••\nSincerel.7\nB'.AROU> A. S'l'IIDR, Lt Colonel, USAF\nl Atch\nAaa1atant Executive Secretary\nCondon fteport (3 Yola)\nUSAF Scien·tific M:fiaory Board\nLtCol Ste1ner/dd/l2reb\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:3471.ffl41 Page 26" }, { "n": 27, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p27.jpg", "text": "20330\n6 February 1969\nDr. Brian O'Brien\nConsultina Phyaicist\nBox 52\nNorth Woodstock, Connecticut 06257\nDear Dr. O'Brien\nI• pleaaed to aend you tbia peraonal copy ot the Condon Report\non Unidentified 11.Jin& ObJecta.\nNo doubt JOU will be aurpriaed,\nas I vu, at the depth ot the UD1veraity of Colorado atud7.\nLittle could we awt•• when we 11et u a C011111ttM 1A l'ebruuy\n1 tll&t a b7-product would be the•• vollainoua doctaenta.\nPeraonally, I am aatistied vith the oontent.a and beline the\nAir Force got ita money•• worth.\nI em h&PP7 to have aerfed with JOU 1n th.11 exercise and I hope\nthat you feel aa I do that it was vorthwhile.\nSincerel7\nBAB:>U> A. STBIDR, Lt Colonel, USA1\nl Atch\nAaaiatant Executive Secret&r'7\nCondon Report (3 Vola)\nUSAF Scientific AdY1aory Board\nSAMI LE'l'TRR ro:\nDr. Launor F. Carter\nMr. Jesse Orlansky\nDr. Richard Porter\nDr. Carl Bagan\nDr. Willis H. Ware\nNW 90306,\nDocld:34714841 Page 27" }, { "n": 28, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p28.jpg", "text": "20330\nAFBSA\n27 February 1968\nRequeat for Project Blue Book Material\nMr. Don Berliner\nNational Inveatigations C011mittee\non Aeria1 Phenomena\n1536 Connecticut Av11m.1e, N. W.\nWashington, D. C. 20036\nThia ia in reaponae to your visit on 26 February 1968 during\nwhich you requeated we provide you with Project Blue Book\nmaterial.\nI have been adv:L•ed that we can provide you with\ncopiea of the material you requ•ted at a coat of $5.00. If\nyou are still intereated in obtain\ncopiea, plea•• mak,e\nyour check or ·money order for that amount payable to the\n\"Treuurer of the United Statea\" and aeod it to thia off:tce.\nHAR.OLD A•. gfEINER.• I.t Colonel, USAF\nAaaiatan.t Executlve Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advi•ory Board\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 28" }, { "n": 29, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p29.jpg", "text": "20''30\nJ\nl March 196B\nAFB&\nProJec·t Blue Book Mat,erial\nMr. Don Berliner\nNatianal Investigations Committee\noo Aer:tal Phenomena,\n1536 Com1ecticut Avenue, NW\nWBshington, D. C.\n20036\nl. This is in response to your letter of 28 February 1968 requesting\nan.d payi.ng tor material pre1•red for the USAF\n1 Scientif'ic Advis~ry Board\nby tb.e Project Blue Book office.\n2..\nCopies of thie mterial are attached.\nA fee of $5 was based on the\nunit cost of 25¢, per page plus $3 per hour labor.\nHAROLD A. STEINER, Lt Colonel, USAF\n1 Ateh\nAssistan·t Executive Secretary\nProject Blue Book Material\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Boe.rd\nf\n'\"' (\n7 ...\n\"\"\"'\" \"\"\n;\".,/\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 29" }, { "n": 30, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p30.jpg", "text": "NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE\nON AERIAL PHENOMENA\nMAJOR DONALD E. KEYHOI:.\nWASHINGTON. D. C. 20036\nADMINIST\"ATIVIE Ol\"l\"ICIIS:\nUSMC (IUET.) DIRll'CTOft\nUJ:Se CONNltCTICUT AVE., N.W.\nGORDON I. Pl. LORE. JR.\nAS91STANT DIIUiCTOR\nFeb. 28, 1968\nTl:Ll:..HONI:: (202) ee7-9434\nLt. Col. Harold A. Steiner\nAasiatar1t Executive Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advis•ry Board\nHQ, USAF\nWashington, D.C. 20;;0\nDeer Col. Steiners\nEncleaed is my peraer1el check for $5.00 to cever the oost of reproducing th~ pegea\nof Preject Blue B•ok materiel which we discu&a$d •n Feb. 26.\nMany thanks f•r your Clle>pere ti•n•\nDen Bsrliner\nNICAP Staff\nNW 90306\"\nDodd:34714S41 Page 30" }, { "n": 31, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p31.jpg", "text": ",.\n20330\nAFDAS\nSSgt Ehrlich/74835\nRequest for Project Bluebook Roporta\n20 reb 68\nMr. Don Berliner\n. National Investigations Committee\non Aerial Phenomena\n1536 Connecticut Avenue\nWashington, DC\n200)6\nl. Reference your request directed to SAF-OICO tor portions of Project\nBluebook Reports.\n2. We maintain a reference oow or the material 7ou requested and oan\nfurnish you photographic copy at a ooat ot $12.\n• It 7ou are inter­\nested in purchasing a copy, please make 7our check or money order\nto thie office.\npayable to \"Trea . .,uz~:r ot the United State•\" and NID1t\nChief', Information Branch\nDirectorate ot .ldminietrati'Ye Servioda\n...,~ '~·i,\n\".I'......,....:\n'\"\"'· .-. ''\"••\"\"\n•\n.~.•-.k\nNW 90306\"\n[)ocld:34714841 Page 31" }, { "n": 32, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p32.jpg", "text": "1 N S'I~I'I~lJ'T'E\nJuly 27, 1967\nMr. Chester N. Hasert\nActing Executive Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\nRoom 5Dl014, The Pentagon\nWashington, D. c.\nDear Chet:\nWhen I was in Thailand last week, I spoke to several men\nat the U.S. Embassy who told me about an interesting problem\nthat faces them.\nVery simply, the Thai government has made\nnumerous reports of mysterious helicopter flights in the North­\neast part of the country near Laos, an area in which Communist\nterrorists have been increasing their activity. Although the\nmembers of the U.S. Embassy take these reports very seriously,\nthey have never been able to authenticate a single valid sight­\ning.\nI would not have given this matter any further thought\nexcept that someone said the reports of these sightings were\nvery much like the reports of UFOTs meaning, thereby, that one\nunusual report is likely to inspire additional ones. It seemed\nto me that the SAB report on UFO's might be useful to these men\nin the sense that it would provide them with a basis for seeing\nthat a more valid understanding of the problem could require a\nmore thorough examination than has been possible up to now.\nIt\nis with this suggestion in mind that I hope you will be able to\nsend a copy of the report to two men in the Embassy very much\nconcerned with this matter.\nThey are Peer de Silva and David\nSmith.\nMr. de Silva is Special Assistant for Counterinsurgency\nand Mr. Smith is Special Assistant to the Ambassador.\nI hope\nthat it will be possible for our Embassy in Thailand to take\nadvantage of the work done by the SAB committee chaired by Brian\nO'Brian.\nJO:rnh\ncc: Dr. H. Guyford Stever\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 31" }, { "n": 33, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p33.jpg", "text": "MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD\n16 May 1967\nSUBJECT:\nSome Notes Concerning a Progress Report on\nUniversity of Colorado UFO Study\n1.\nOn 5 May 1967, members of the University of Colorado UFO Investigat:i.ng\nCommittee presented a ttposition paper\" on the state of their thinking on\nthe UFO Study.\nThis memo is based on verbatim notes taken at that meeting\nand augments the formal presentation (Atch 1). A report of the Committee's\nprogress up to 31 March is also included (Atch 2).\n2.\nThe meeting was held in Dr. Bill Price's office at OSR.\nThe following\npersonnel attended:\nDr. Edward V. Condon, Univ of Colorado (uoc), Principal\nInvestigator\nMr. Robert J. Low, UOC, Project Coordinator\nDr. W. K. Hartman, Univ of Arizona, a member of the UOC\nStudy Committee\nDr. William Price, OSR\nDr. Tom Ratchford, OSR\nDr. Jesse Orlansky, SAB\nDr. Willis Ware, SAB\nMr. Chester N. Hasert, SAB\nLt Col Harold A. Steiner, SAB\nLt Col Robert Hippler, AFRSTA\nMr. Charles K. Reed, Nat Acad of Sciences\nMr. L. V. Brasher, OSR Procurement\nMr. Dan Taylor, OSR Public Information\n3.\nThe basic problem conf'ronting the UOC Study Connnittee is establishing\na methodology for investigating UFOs.\nIn the Committee's opinion, previous\ninvestigations have produced few, if any,\nstudies have rimaril been concerned with investi ati\nAccording to the UOC Con:nnittee, the\nse but how to interpret the data obtained from reports that are generated\nfrom sightings.\nThus, additional sightings as currently handled by Project\nBlue Book (NOTE:\nno criticism of Project Blue Book was inferred) will not\ngive the Committee a better picture of what UFOs really are.\nSomething\nelse is needed.\n4.\nAdmittedly, if better data were available (i.e., those obtained with\nspectrometers, magnetometers, etc.) they could undoubtedly give the Com­\nmittee a better insight into the UFO problem, but in the 18 months allotted\nfor the study the probability of the UOC Committee getting s\nificant\nbetter data is small.\nThe possibility of getting actual, real-time data\nwith spectrometers, magnetometers, etc., is highly unlikely.\nErgo, the\nconcept of having specialized, instrumented teams standing ready to move\nquickly into an area where UFOs were or are being sighted and obtain\nactual, real-time data does not appear likely to produce much.\nTo\ntangible results because these\nis not the sighting per\nNW90306\nDocld:347'14841 Page 33" }, { "n": 34, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p34.jpg", "text": "substantiate this conclusion, the UOC Committee cites the experience of\nNICAP teams of \"eager amateursn armed with cameras, magnetometers, and\nother specialized instrumentation who have gone instantly to sighting\nzones and attempted to obtain actual data.\nDespite their zeal, these\nteams apparently have never been able to obtain .a.ctu~lz. real-time data.\nThe conclusion, therefore, is that the UOC Committee will have to work\nwith data that are available (i.e., reports from those who have sighted\nUFOs) and attempt to interpret those data so as to obtain a better under­\nstanding of UFOs.\n5.\nAlthough the UOC Committee will deal primarily with data from reports,\nthis will not preclude some team investigations of current sightings of\nspecial interest.\nPrimary and back-up teams each consisting of two members\n(a physical scientist and a social scientist) are now being equipped with\nsuitable instruments (i.e., Gieger counters, binoculars, cameras, maps,\nalmanacs, etc.).\n'lllese teams will be on stand-by alert at Colorado to\ninvestigate sightings of special interest.\nOne unresolved question is how\nto determine which sightings to investigate.\nThese teams will not be\ndecentralized because the transportation from Denver to any part of the\nUnited States is adequate. After listening to this briefing, one cannot\navoid the conclusion that the actual field investigations will be low\npriority items and will be played in low key during this investigation.\n6.\nDiscussion on the teams' activities led to another question basic to\nthe Air Force approach to the UFO problem and one that the UOC Committee\nhopes to provide answers to--is a large field organization composed of an\ninvestigating officer at each Air Force base worthwhile? If such a system\ndoes not produce worthwhile, tangible results then the Air Force does not\nneed it. If such a system does produce results then perhaps the Air Force\nneeds to refine its reporting and investigating procedures, i.e., Project\nBlue Book and AFR 80-17.\nThe Connnittee has developed an improved reporting\nform in consultation with psychologists to be used to obtain d.ata from\nfuture sightings. Project Blue Book might find this useful.\n7.\nSome interesting aspects of the UOC Committee's approach to the inves­\ntigation are:\na .\n.An attempt will be made to establish reliability of the reports\nand/or reporters.\nUOC wants to know how many are reliable, how many are\naccurate.\nb.\nThe Committee will assume some hypothesis that UFOs may e.xist.\nThey will then try to d~termine how much evidence s'liorts the probabilitl\nor i\nrobabilit of this\nothesis.\nThus far the best hypothesis that\nUFOs exist appears to be the one proposed by Mr. Richard Hall, Deputy\nDirector of NICAP.\nHis is an active hypothesis whereas McDonald's is\npassive. According to the Committee, Hall definitely believes UFOs exist\nand are extra-terrestrial solid ob·ects. McDonald also believes they\nexist and are of extra-terrestrial origin but arrives at his conclusion\n2\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714S41 Page 34" }, { "n": 35, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p35.jpg", "text": "nby remainderu after eliminating all other possibilities of terrestrial\nand divine origin and leav:irg extra-terrestrial as the only alternative.\nAt this time, the UOC Committee apparently favors the Hall hypothesis.\nc.\nData from sightings are being put on punch cards.\nThe coding\nsystem can be expanded up to 50 cards per sighting. All reports of\nsightings after 1 January 1967 are being computerized.\nFor cases prior\nto 1967, the Committee asked NICAP to pick out cases they believe should\nbe included in the computer analysis part of the investigation.\nWhen\nquestioned as to why NICAP was solicited as a source, the Committee stated\nthat if their report is to have any credibility then NICAP would ha.veto\nbe involved in one form or another.\nI am 1.nclined to agree with their\nviewpoint.\n8.\nThere will be 21 senior scientists associated with the UOC project.\n9.\nIn my opinion, one of the most interesting and potentially beneficial\nfacets of the Committee's investigations is the sub-contracts with various\nagencies and individuals (i.e., SRI, Ford, RAND, NCAR, etc.) to study such\nphenomena as illumination, visual perception, fireballs, radiochemistry,\nball lightning, etc., as they apply to UFOs.\n10.\nCONCLUSIONS:\nAfter listening to the UOC briefing and discussing the\nmatter informally with others, I do not believe the SAB Ad Hoc Committee\nshould pursue this matter further at this time.\nThe UOC Committee seems\nto have a fairly good grasp of the problem, and I do not see what useful\npurpose the SAB Committee can serve.\nLater in the calendar year after the\nUOC Committee has gained experience and analyzed some data, it might be\nuseful for us to convene at Boulder for a series of formal briefings on\nthe results and scope of the investigation.\nI can see a useful purpose\nfor such a meeting.\nSince in a sense the UOC Committee is a brainchild of\nthe SAB, the SAB Ad Hoc Committee could review the UOC Committee's progress\nand serve as a useful ndevil's advocate\" or sounding board to help estab­\nlish credibility.\nThe SAB could also suggest new directions where warranted.\nThis type of SAB action would, of course, have to be done with the sanction\nof Dr. Stever, OSR, and Dr. Condon.\nAssistant\nUSAF Scient\ncutive Secretary\nic Advisory Board\n1.\nComments by UOC Committee\nLt Colonel, USAF\n2 Atch\n2.\nProgress Report\n3\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:.34714841 Page 35" }, { "n": 36, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p36.jpg", "text": "MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD\n10 August 1966\nSUBJECT:\nVisit by Mr. William P. Wietzel, NICAP\n1. Today I was visited by Mr. William Wietzel, an investigator for the\nNational Investigating Cormnittee on Aerial Phenomena.\nMr. Wietzel did\nnot have an appointment but just dropped in, presuma.bly to discuss the\nin April 1966.\nreport of the SAB Ad Hoc Committee to Review Project \"Blue\nok.\"\nThis\nwe did; however, the discussion soon deteriorated to an ind\nnt of the\nway in which Major Quintella had handled the Ravenna, Ohio,\n0 siting\nWith regard to this particular siting, the main criticism\nof Major Q;uintella seems to be that his interviews with the people who\nhad sited the UFO were restricted to about three mi.nutes each via the\ntelephone.\nHowever, in all fairness, it should be pointed out that\nMajor Quintella did visit the scene of the Ravenna siting at a later date.\n2.\nI neither concurred with Mr. Wietzel's opinion of Major Quintella nor\nd.id I defend Major Quintella strongly.\nI did point out that, hopefully,\nthe university teams now being formed will provide scientific information\nthat can eliminate the type of personality conflict that apparently exists\nbetween NICAP and Major Quintella.\n3.\nThere was some additional discussion of the pertinent information con­\ncerning the Ravenna siting of which Mr. Wietzel was a principal NICAP\ninvestigator.\nHe has completed a lengthy and voluminous report of this\nsiting that is impressive in size if not in content.\nI asked Mr. Wietzel\nif NICA.P investigated every UFO siting as thoroughly as they had apparently\ninvestigated this one.\nThe obvious answer was no because NICAP has\nlimited resources.\nI then pointed out that the Air Force also has limited\nresources and cannot spend as much time on each UFO siting as it would like.\nWe parted amiably at an impasse.\nHe did not convince me, and I certainly\ndid not convince him.\nHARO\nA. STEINER, Lt Colonel, USAF\nAssistant Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:.34714841 Page 36" }, { "n": 37, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p37.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 38, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p38.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 39, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p39.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 40, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p40.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 41, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p41.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 42, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p42.jpg", "text": "....\nDEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE\nHEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE\nWASHINGTON, D.C.\nREPLY TO\n2\nATTN OF:\n1 January 1966\nsuaJEcr: Some SAFOI Thoughts for the SAB Ad Hoc Connnittee on UFOs\nTO:\nRECORD\n1.\nOn 21 January, I visited SAF0I and discussed the Air\nForce's concern over the UF0 preblem with Lt Col John P.\nSpaulding and Mrs. Sarah Hunt (4a 120 - 79079).\n2.\nSAFOI gets many inquiries concerning the UFG problem.\nLast year they received and answered more than 3300 letters\non UFOs including many from the President and the Congress.\nThe problem essentially boils down to ene that is typified\nby the questien, \"When did yau stop beating your wife?\"\nAny answer the Air Force gives tends to incriminate the\nAir Force as a concealer of information and at the very\nleast detracts from its image.\nSAFOI has to cope with this\npublic relations problem and wants som~thing done about it.\nTherefore they have turned to the SAB.\n3. The last time that a group of scientists looked into the\nscientific aspects of the UFO problem was in 1953.\nAttachment 1\nis a copy of that report.\n4. Basically the question is this--is there any such thing as\na UFO?\nWhen the Air Force receives information on a UFO\nsighting they have several options open to them.\nFirst, they\ncan categorically deny that there is anything such as a UFO.\nSecond, they can cast reflections on the sighters mental\nability or claim that he is trying to perpetrate a hoax on\nthe country. Third, they can investigate the si ting as\nwell as possible with their limited resources (3 men at FTD)\nand admit that the AF is looki.ng into the matter.\nObviously,\noptions one and two offer no solution. Thus, SAFOI has to\nrely on option three, and go through the normal si ting in­\nvestigation (Attachment 2) that leads to admissions that\nthere are a certain percentage of UFO sightings that the Air\nForce cannot identify. This a\nke\nle like Fuller\nsee Saturda Review ar\nion\nand the AF has no rejoiner.\nUndtrwn'te Your Country's\nt - B~y U.S. Savings Botzds\nNW 90306,\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 41" }, { "n": 43, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p43.jpg", "text": ".\n..\nNW 90306,\nDocld:347\"14841\n5.\nSAFOI wants some pr igious scientific group to look at\nthe UFO problem i.n de th and come up with a position that will\nhelp get the Air Force off the hook.\nSAFOI expects to gain\na report that will permit them to stand before the most\nre own critics and say that the AF position on UFOs is sound\nor action is being taken to make it sound.\n6.\nThe questions that SAFOI wants answered are typically as\nfollows:\na.\nIs Project Blue Book adequate?\nb.\nIs there or is there not scientific evidence that\nUFOs exist?\nc.\nWhat can be done to make the Air Force position\ncredible?\n7.\nSAFOI claims, and rightly so, that they cannot get to\nthe heart of the public relations problem until they get some\nscientific evidence upon which to base their opinion.\nFor this\nreason they are very emphatic that they do not want a \"for\nmotherhood and against sin\" type of connnittee report.\nAB far\nas SAFOI is concerned the problem is critical.\n8.\nAs evidenced by the Fuller article in the Saturday Review\n(which is a prestigious news media that is read by highly\ninfluential people both in and out of government), the level\nof criticism of the Air Force is getting on a higher and higher\nplane. The recent Wall Street Journal article is another ex­\nample of Air Force criticism appearing in a high-class news\nmedia.\nSAFOI clearly defined the criticality of the problem\nwhen they concluded by saying that none of the current Air\nForce problems, such as sonic boom, supersonic transport, and\nintegration, etc., have created the poor public image for the\nAir Force that the UFO problem does.\nHAROLD A. STEINER, Major, USAF\nAssistant Secretary\nUSAF Scientific Advisory Board\n3 Atch\n1.\nUFO Report\n2.\nFTD Form 164\n3.\nSat Review Article\nPage 43" }, { "n": 44, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p44.jpg", "text": "\\" }, { "n": 45, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p45.jpg", "text": "HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE\nUSAF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY BOARD\nOFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE a CHIEF OF STAFF\nDATE\nMEMO FOR:\n.A...oa....,._\n..\nI\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 45" }, { "n": 46, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p46.jpg", "text": "r\n..\nI I\nl\n1l\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 46" }, { "n": 47, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p47.jpg", "text": "s\nPage 47" }, { "n": 48, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p48.jpg", "text": "r\n. INDEX\nPAGE\n•\nP-.:rpose\n1\nPart I:\nHistory of Meetings of Panel\n1.\nPart II: Comments and·· Suggestions of Panel\n7.\nGeneral\n?\nOn Lack of Danger\n.\n8\nAir Force Reporting System\n9\nArt:tfacts of Extraterrestrial Origin\n10\n•\nTremonton, Utah, Sighting\n11\nPotential Related Dangers\n15\nGeographic Locations of Unexplained\nSightings\n15\nInstrumentation to Obtain Data\n16\nRadar Problem of Mutual Interference\n18\nUnexplained Cosmic Ray Phenomena\n19\nEducational Program\n19\nUnofficial Investigating Groups\n23\nIncrease in Number of Sightings\n24\nReport of Panel\nTab A\nList of Personnel Concerned with Meetings\nTab B\nList of Documentary Evidence Presented\nTab C\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 48\nSSlFIED" }, { "n": 49, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p49.jpg", "text": "r\n16 February 1953\nME:-iORA.NDUH FOR: .­\nFROM\n•·•\nSUBJECT\n: Report of Mectines of tho.\n;\n•\n~ Scientific Advisory t'an~l on\n~nidentified J:s\"Plying Objects, January 14 - 18, 1953\nPURPosg\nThe purpose of this momorandu.m is to ,.Present:\na. A brief hi.story of the meetings of tho ,\nAdvisory Panel\nOn Unidentified Flying Objects (Part I),\n'b.\nAn unofficial supplement to the official Panel Report:\n. aetting forth cor..m.ents and suggestions of the Panel\nMembers which they believed were inappropriate for inclusion\nin the forme.l report (Part II).\nPART I: HISTORY OF MEI~INGS\nGENERAL\n..\nAfter co11sideration of the subject of \"unidentified flying\nobjects\" at the 4 December meeting of the\nthe following action was agreed:\n\"The\n·will:\na. Enlist the services of selected scientists to\nreview and appraise the available evidance in the\nlight of pertinent scientific theories ..•.\"\nFoJ.lo-wi~1g the delegation of this action to the: •\n,and ?reliminary investigation,\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 49\n..\nUNC" }, { "n": 50, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p50.jpg", "text": "SSlflED\nan Advisory Panel of selected scientists was assembled. In\n·cooperation with the Air Technical Intelligence Center, case\nhistori€s of reported sightings and related material were\n..\nmade available .for their study and consideration..\nPresent at the initial meeting_(09;0 Wednesday, 14 January)\n..\nwere: Dr. H.P. Robertson, Dr.\n} Dr. Thornton\nPage, Dr. Samuel A. Goudsmit, •\n'-·\n. , and the writer. Panel Member, Dr. Lloyd V. Berk­\nner, was absent until.Friday afternoon. Messrs.\n;were present throughout the sessions to familiarize themselves\nwith the subject, repr~sent the substantive interest-of their\nDivisions, and assist in administrative support of the meetings.\n(A list of personnel concerned with the meetings is given in\nTab A.\nWEDNESDAY MORNING\nThe\n~· • opened the meeting, reviewing CIA interest in the •\nsubject and action taken. This review included the mentiOll of\nthe~\n·;Study Group of August 1952 :\nculminating in the briefing of the......\nthe ATIC November 21\nbriefing, 4 December\n, consideration, visit to ATIC\n~\nRobertson and\nI anc1· •\nconcern over potential dangers\nto national security indirectly related to these sightings.\nMr.\nenumerated these potential dangers. Following this\nintroductior., Dr.\nturned the meeting\n' over·to\n- 2 ­\nUNC\nSSIFIE□\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 50" }, { "n": 51, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p51.jpg", "text": "--\n11\nr\nthe evidence available and requested consido~ation of specific\n. reports and letters be taken by pertain individuals present (Tab B).\nFor example, case histories involving radar or radar and visual\n:•\nsightings were solected for Dr. -\n~-=- -::.Jwhile reports of Groen\nFireball phenomena, nocturnal lights, and suggested programs of\ninvestigation were routed to Dr. -Page.\nFollowing these remarks,\nthe motion pictures of the sightings at Tremonton, Utah (2\n' July 1952)\n.\nand Great Falls, Montana (1.5 August 19.50) were shown. The meet,ing\nadjourned at-1200.\nWEDNESDA.Y AFI'ERNOON\nThe second meeting of tho Panel opened at 1400. Lt. __ -_\n---\n~\n.­\nUSN, and Mr. ______of the USN Photo Interpretation\nLaboratory, Anacostia, presented the results of their analyses of\nthe films mentioned above. This analysis evoked considerable\ndiscussion as elaborated upon below. Besides Panel members and\nCIA. personnel, Capt. E. J. Ruppelt, ·Dr .. ~.;;..-::.:.::::::.::...-.:..~:;:;...r.:::i.-..:-:a.-,--~\n____·_·-_\n..\n(2-a-2), and Dr.'\"'\"·-----..~-~--­\nwere present.\nFollowing the Photo Interpretation Lab presentation,\nMr. E. J. Ruppelt spoke for about·4o minutes on ATIC methods or\nhandling and evaluating reports or sightings and their efforts to\nimprove the quality of reports. The meeting was adjourned at 1715.\nIFIEO\nNW9030fi\n• Docld:34714841 Page 51" }, { "n": 52, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p52.jpg", "text": "----\n••\nr\n,\nTHURSDAY MORNING\nThe third an\"'~•~,......~\"t~/--·\nbecause of the brevity of some sightings (e.g. 2-3 seconds) and the\niria.bility of the witnesses to express themselves clearly (semantics)\nthat conclusive explanations could·not be\ncted for every case\n'\nreported. Furthermore, it was considered that, normally, it would\n.___.....\nbe a great waste· of effort to try to solve most of the sightings,\nunless such action would benefit a training and educational program.\n{see below). The writings of Charles Fort were l\"eferenced to show\nPage 55\n- 7 ­\nUNC\nSSIFIEO\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841" }, { "n": 56, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p56.jpg", "text": "that \"strange thi~gs in the\nyears. It appeared obvious that there was no sinzle explanation\nfor a :majority of the things seen. The proscnco of radar and astro­\nnomical specialists on the Panel proved of value at onco in their\nconfident recognition of p!10nomena related to the:..r f::..elds. It was\n..\napparent that specialists in such additional fields as psychology,\nmeteorology, aerodynamics, ornithology and military air operations\nwould extend the ability of the Panel to recognize many more cate­\ngories of little-known phenomena.\nON LACK OF DANGER\nTho Panel concluded unanimously that there was no evidence of\n~Jl....,....,____,>,,.,••,1'1.......llj;,t,;f.,_,','!''•r,,,..........,,..,)t'\"I......,,\n, ,,,k..,.,,.1\"1'\"• \\,j;lc'('\n,.,.,,.,..~.-,,,,_ ♦\\'I\\, \"''\"\"\"i-.,_.,_.,................t,w.,........,...,-i..t<'...(1\"1fi'l',1'>•\"'♦,-,.l,~l..,t\"..,........,~f'•\"'\"\"'\"\"''\"°'•\"'''li>\"'I....~-,~...~\na direct thrc.:i.t to national security in the objects sighted.\n\".r, \".\":: :,tl..i•} ,f .,,.1ii,,,.,....... ~·..:,'. .,,,,,,.,1,1\":\"*•I»'.' ,;' (11,.,l,.t«-li•' ..,,• .,,... ..,f'\" ,: ' ~ •'·+!-. ~' ·,¥,, ,-:,,,......•,.'fflil--f: t,,·, '''~,t-,f\"....'•,'k,,~·-t,j!liJl':~.tlJ\\t(,4/:'.',l~.\"!,JIIIIIUlf'•''!:''l....:,~•---_:r'<;.;,,;(••~';•~--t••MN'.\".1.fJ,'\",'J//lt:<''\"\"'*.,..\nlittle, if any, scientific data was of no value. Quite the opposite,\nit was possibly dangerous in having a lllilitary service foster public\n.\nconcern in \"nocturnal meandering lights\". The implication being,\nsince the interested agency was military, that these objects were\nor might be_potential direct threats to national security. Accord- •\ningly, the ·.ieed for d,eemphasization made itself apparent. Comments\non a possible educational program are en'n~erated b'elow.\nIfi£D\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 57 ." }, { "n": 58, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p58.jpg", "text": "NW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841\nIt was the opinion of D-.c. Robortson that the \"saucer\" problem\nhad been found to be different in nature froro tho detection and\ninvestigation of Gorman V-1 and V-2 guidc6 missiles prior to their\noperational use in World War II.. In this 1943-194-l~ irJ.toll:i.zcnce\noperation (qROSSBCM), there was excellent intelligence and by June\nJ.9l-t,LJ. there was mat,orial evidence of the existence of \"hardware\" ·\nobtained from crashed vehicles i.n Sweden.\nThis evidenco gave the\ninvestigating team a basis upon which to operate. The absence of\nnhardwaro0 rosulting f.rom unexplained U.F.O. siehtings lends a \"will­\n••!< ...............~....,.,,,\"\"'...............~_.,...,,..,.,....,...,,.._/..,_''\"',>!>•\"\"' ~,,-~\"''\"'l<'~\nto any one continent of the earth\nte preposterous.\n,tAr,t.\\'•'l<\"'lif,..................../.~1\"_,,-,.,.........;~r,\"....tJl(,tV.,,,_,.,.......l\n1i'•• •••h\n.,r,,\n<<\n'\n,;-.i,\"\n• \"';,,-. ,,f•\":'\"•'\n1\nAttention should be directed to the requirement among scientists that\n'f\n,~,\n'\n,.,~\na new phenomena, to be accepted, must be completely and convincingly\ndocumented. In other words, the burden of proof is on the s\ner,\n'''f's\n'.'\n''.\n•\n,\n,,;•,-«•~•· ,'<,\"\"'\"\":'~'\\\"'•''\n\"''\"'Oi....;,,~,\"l\\>,\"'-th,,\\,~-\"':'t,...,.,(••,,,\\''\"V'\"'\"•\n'if,'' !'\n•f.r,'lf•,•,-.w,\nnot the explainer.\n,,,,..,'.'!•'>l:•:,\"~'f' \",,,: ,,~t~•,, ,,,,,.,,.,,,,:,,1,Y ,f,:\\;;,..-,:i, ,1\"1!'••1 •'•,'\\H:~•,'!'·t<1,:, \",,.:,\n- 14 ­\n·Nw 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 62" }, { "n": 63, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p63.jpg", "text": "••\n·--\n,...\n~:\\ho Panel Members were in agreement with\nopinion that,\nalthough evidence of any direct threat from these sightings was\nwholly la.eking, related d:lnr;ers mieht wol1 exist rcsu1ting from:\na. Misidentification of actual onemy artifacts by defense\npersonnel.\nb*\nOverloading of emergency roport:ing channels with \"false\"\ninformo.tion (\"noise to signal ratio\" analogy ... Borkner).\nc. Subjectivity of public to mass hysteria and greater. vul­\nnerability to possible enemy pi:ycho1ogical warfare.\nAlthough not the concern of CIA, the first two of these 'problems\nmay seriously affect the Air Defense intelligence system, and should\nbe studied by experts, possibly under ADC. rr·u.F.0.'s become dis­\ncredited in a reaction to the \"flying saucer\" scare, or if report­\ning channels are saturated with.false and poorly documented repdrts,\nour capability of detecting hostile activity will be reduced.\nDr. Pase notad that more competent screening or filtering of reported\nt\nsightings at or near the source is required, and that this can best\nbe accomplished by an educational program.\n\\.\nGEOGRAPHic\" LOCATIONS OF UNEXPLAINED SIGHTINGS\nThe map prepared by ATIC showing geographic locations of officially\nreported unexplained sightings (1952 only) was examined by the Panel.\nThis map showed clusters in certain strategic areas such as Los Alamos.\nThis might be explained on the basis of 24-hour watchful guard and\n- 15 ­\nNW 90306\"\n•\nDoctrl:34714841 Page 63." }, { "n": 64, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p64.jpg", "text": ".:twarcno.:;s of security mco.suros near such locations.\nOn the other\nhand, there had beon no s:i..ghtines in the vicinity of sensitive\nrelated AE establishments while there worn occasionally multiple\ncasas of unoxplainod siehtincs j,n non-stx·atocio nreas.\nFurthormoro,\nthore appcurod to be no logical relationship to population centers.\n\\.\n'I'he Panel could find no ready explanation for these clusters. It\nwas noted, howevor, that. if terrestrial artifacts were to be obsorved\nit wou1d bo 1ikoly that they would be seen first near foreign areas\nrather than central U.S.\n____] __________,\nINSTRU:MF:NTATION TO OBTAIN DATA\nThe Panel was of the opinion that the present ATIC program to\nplace 100 inexpensive 35 mm. stereo cameras in the hands of various\nairport control tower operators would probably produce little valu­\nable data related to U.F'.0.'s. However, it was recognized that\nsuch action wou.ld tend to allay public concern in the subject until\nan educational program had taken effect. It was believed tha:t pro­\n·curement. of these cameras was partly the result of public pressure\nin July 1952. With the poor results of the year-long Project\nTWINICT.,E program of 24-hours instrumentation watch (two frames of\nfilm showing nothing distinguishable), a widespread program·of sky­\nwatch,ing would not be expected to yield much direct data of value.\nThere was considerable discussion of a possible \"sky patrol\" _by\namateur astronomers ~-· ::::::.:~ and by wide-ang~e cameras (Page).\nDr,.. Page\nand Dr. Robertson pointed out that at prnsent a considerable fraction\n16\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 64" }, { "n": 65, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p65.jpg", "text": "NW 90306\"\nDodd:34714S41\nof the sky is now--and has been for many years-under surveillance\nevery clear night in several meteor and aurora observing proBrams as\nwell as sky mapping programs at the various locations listed below.\nAlthough the attention of those astronomers is largely directed\ntoward identified rather than unidentified objocts, no case of any\nstriking m1id0ntifiod objoct is known to Dr. Page or Dr.,··\nSuch\n~-·-·-·-·-~\nan object would most certa:inly be reported if found on patrol plates.\nA case was cited where an astronomer refused to interrupt his\nexposure in order to photograph an alleged sighting in a different\npart of the sky. This led Dr. ~\nto say that, if a program of\nwatching could be an adjunct of planned astronomical programs, little\ncost would be involved and that the trained astronomical personnel\nmight photograph a sighting of an unidentified object.\n. The location of some of these programs and their directors are\nbelieved to be:\na. Harvard University, Cambridge and New Mexico (meteor patroll-­\nWhipple.\nb. Yerkes Observatory, University of Chicago and For~•Davis, Texas\n(several prograrns)--Meinel (auroras), Kuiper,.--·(asteroid.s),\nMorgan (wide angle camera).\nc. University of Alaska, Fairbanks (aurorae)--Elvey\nd. Dominion Obs'ervatory, Ottawa (meteors)--Millman\ne. Palomar Observatory, California (sky map)--Minkowski\nr. Lick Observatory, California (sky map)--Shane\n- 17 ­\nPage 65\nI" }, { "n": 66, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p66.jpg", "text": "It was ag1.--eed by the Pa11el that no government-sponsored program\nof optical nation-wido sky patrol is worthwhile at the present time,\nand that the encouragement of amateur astronomers to undertake such\na program 111:i,eht have• the adverse offeot of over--omphasizi.ne; \"fiyini\nsaucer\" stories in the public mind ..\nHowever, the issue of radar scope\ncameras for recording peculiar radar echoes would serve several pur­\nposes, including the better understanding of radar interference as\nwell as identification of U.F.O.•s.\nRA.DAR PROBLFM, OF' MUTUAL INTERFERENCE\nThis characteristic problem of radar operation wherein the pulse\nsignal (of approximately the same frequency) from station A may be\npicked up on the screen of station B and show as a high-spe.ed track •\nor series of dots was recognized.to have probably caused a number of\nU.F.o. reports. This problem was underli.n0d by ir1forma.tion ·received\nindicating ADC concern in solving this problem of signal identification . ••\nbefore service use of very high-speed aircrart·or guided missiles\n(1955-1956).\nDr. Berkner believed that one answer to this problem\nwas the use of a \"doppler filter\" in th~ receiving circuit. Dr.---·\nsuggested that the problem might be better solved by the use of a\n\"controlled jitter\" wherein the operator receiving \"very fast tracks\"\n(on the order of 1000- 10,000 m.p.h.) would operate a circuit which\nwoul.d alter slightly his station's pulse frequency rate. If the signal\nreceived on the screen had been caused by mutual interference with\nanother station, the track would now show itself at a different distance\n- 18 ­\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 66" }, { "n": 67, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p67.jpg", "text": "---\n•\n--­\nfrom the center of the screen, if it sti.11 appeared at all. Dr.\nfelt such a technical solution was simpler and would cost much less than\na \"doppler filter11 •\n__,___________\nUNEXPLAINED COSMIC RAY PHalOMENA\nTwo reported cases were examined:\none at Palomar Mountain, California,\ni.n October 1949, when cosmic ray counters went \"off sea.le for a few seconds\",\nappa:r·ently wh:i.lo a \"V\" of flying saucors was observed visually; and two, a\nseries of observations by tho \"Los Alamos Bird Watchers Association\" from\nAugust 1950 to January 1951, when cosmi~ ray coincidence counters behaved\nqueerly. Circuit diagrams and records were available for the latter, and\n..\n____.,,.._\nDr._._______~was able .quickly to point,out that the recorded data were\nundoubtedly· due to instrumental effects that would have been recognized\nas such by more experienced observers.\nThe implication that radioactive effects were correlated with\nunidentified flying objects in these two cases was, therefore, rejected\nby the Panel.\n•\nEDUCATIONAL PROGRA.M\n___, _ , ~\nThe Pane1's concept of a broad educational program integrating\nefforts of all concerned agencies was that it should have two major\naims: training and \"debunking\".\nThe training aim would result in proper recognition of unusually\nilluminated objects (e~g., balloons, aircraft reflections) as well as\nnatural phenomena (meteors, fireballs, mirages, noctilucent clouds).\nBoth visual and radar recognition are concerned. There would be many\n-\n19 ­\nPage 67\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841" }, { "n": 68, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p68.jpg", "text": "levels in such education from enlisted personnel to command and research\nporso:nnel. Relative emphasis and degree of ex:planati_on of different\nprograms would correspond to the categories 0£ duty (e.g., radar operators;\npilots; control tower operators; Ground Observer Corps personnel; and\n.\noffice~s and enlisted.men in other categories.) This training should\n~·\nresult in a marked reduction in reports. caused by misidentification\nand resultant confusion.\nTho \"debunki11g\" aim wouJd result in reduction in public interest\ni:n \"flying saucers\" which today evokes a strong ·psychological reaction.\nThis education could be accomplished by :mass media such as television,\nmotion :pictures, and popular· articles. Basis of such education would\nbe actual case histories which had been puzzling at first but later\nexplained. As in the case of conjuring tricks, there is much less\nstimulation if the 0 secret0 is known.\nSuch a program should tend to\nreduce the current gullibility of the public and consequently their\nsusceptibility to clever hostile propaganda. The Panel noted that the\ngeneral absence of Russian propaganda based on a subject with so many\nobvious possibilities for exploitation might indicate a possible Russian\nofficial policy.\nMembers of the Panel had various suggestions related to the plan­\nnir1g of such an educational program. It was felt strongly that\npsychologists familiar with mass psychology should advise on the nature .\nand extent of the program. In this connection, Dr. Hadley Cantril\n(Princeton University) was suggested. Cantril authored nrnvasion from\n- 20 ­\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841 Page 68" }, { "n": 69, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p69.jpg", "text": "Mars,\" ( a study in the psychology of panic, written about the famous~\nOrson Welles radio broadcast in 1938) and has since performed advanced\nlaboratory stulies in the field of perception. The names of Don Marquis\n(Universi.ty of Michigan) and Loe Ro1ten were montioned •• po11ibly\n'\n'\nsuitable as copsultant psychologists. Also, someone familiar with\nmass communications techniques, perhaps an advertising expert, would be\nhelpful. Arthur Godfrey was mentioned as possibly a valuable channel\nof communication reaching a mass audience of certain levels. Dr. Berknar .\nsuggested the U. s. Navy (ONR) Special Devices Center, Sands Point, L. I.,\nas a potentially valuable organization to assist in such an educational\nprogram. The teaching techniques used by this agency for aircraft\niden~ification during the past war was cited as an example of a similar\neducational task. The Jam Handy Co. which me.de World War II training\nfilms (motion picture and slide strips) was 'also suggested, a,s well a.s\n.--a.\nWalt Disney, Inc. animated ca.rtoons. Dr.\nsuggested that the\namateur astronoxners in the U.S. might be a potent~!ll source of enthusi­\n..\nastic talent \"to spread the gospel0 • It was believed that business\nclubs, hig~ schools, colleges, and television stations would afl be\npleased to coope~ate in the. showing of documentary type motion pictures\n(\nif prepared in an· interesting manner. The use of true cases showing\nfirst the \"mystery:\" and ~hen the \"explanation\" would be forceful.\nTo plan and execute such a program, .the Panel believed was no\nmean task. The current investigatory group at ATIC would~ of necessity,\nhave to be cl'->r;ely integrated for support w:i.th respect to not only the.\n- 21 ­\nPage 69\n·NW 90306\"\nDodd:347148-41" }, { "n": 70, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p70.jpg", "text": "historical cases but the current ones. Recent cases are probably much\nm.ore susceptible to explanation than older ones; first, because of\n.,\n'\nATIC's experience and, secondly, their knowledge of most plausible\nexplanations. The Panel believed that some expansion of the ATIC effort\nwould certainly be required to support such a program. It was believed·\ninappropriate to state exactly how large a Table of Organization would\nbe required. Captain Ruppelt of ATIC unofficially proposed, for purposes\nof analyzing and evaluating reports:\na.\nAn analysts• panel of. four officers\nb. Four officer investigators\nc. A briefing officer\n.d. An AOC liaison officer\ne. A weather and balloon data officer\n.r. An astronomical consultant\ng. A group Leader, with administrative assistant, file clerks and\nstenographers.\nThis proposal met with generally favorable comment.\nThe Panel\nbelieved that, with ATIC's support, the educational program of \"train­\n.\n.\ning and debunkj.ng\" outJ..ined • above might be required for a minimum of\n(\none and one-half to two years. At the end of this time, the dangers\nrelated to \"flying saucers\" should have been greatly reduced if not\neliminated. Cooperation from other military services and agencies\nconcerned (e.g., Federal Civil Defense Administration) would be a\nnecessity. In investigating significant cases ( such as the Trementon, '\nUtah, sighting), controlled experiments might be :.req~ired. An example\n- 22 ­\nSSIFIED\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 70" }, { "n": 71, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p71.jpg", "text": "------------\n•\n•\nwould be the photographing of \"pillow balloons\" at different distances\nunder similar weather conditions at the site.\nThe help of one or two psychologfsts and writers and a subcontractor\nto produce traini.ng films would bo necessary in addlt:i.on.\nThe Panel\nconsidered that AJIC's efforts, temporarily expanded as necessary,\ncould bo most useful in implementin.g any action taken as a result of·\ni..ts :recommendations. Experience and records in ATIC would be of value\ni.n both the public educational and service training program envisaged.\nDr. Robertson at least was of the opinion that after public gullibility\nlessened and the service organizations, such as ADC, had been trained\nto sift out the more readily explained spurious sightings, thero would\nstill be a rolo for a very modest-sized ATIC section to cope with the\nresiduum of items of possible scientific intelligence value. This\n/\nsection should concentr.ate on energetically following_ up (perhaps on\n'\n'\n,,~...,\"\"'1:•'~t\"~'\"\"~~,....._~ . .,,...............,~\nthe advice of qualified Air.Force Scientific Advisory Board members)\n- ~ -...................'11..,,.,,~;.-/:(,,\"_,,,J...,•.._.,.,.,,~t...... J.....,,,,,><»>,, .. ,,,,,,,.,,..,~).1>\\·~•.:,,.•-.;;'\\/,'-j,l\"m+\"'\\'C/l\",'f',~........,\"1.,1111.,;,'!\"#'llh,;)~-,O~~'•:•••~\\~\"\"\"\"\nthose cases which seemed to indicate the evidence of unconventional\nenemy artifacts. Reports of such artifacts would be expected to\narise mainly from Western outposts in far closer proximity to the\nIron Curtain than Lubbock, Texas!\nUNOFFICIAL INVESTIGATING GROUPS\nThe Panel took cognizance of the existence of such groups as the\n°Civi1ian Flying Saucer Investigators\" (Los Angeles) and the \"Aerial\nPhenomena. Research Organization (Wisconsin)\". It was believed that\nsuch organizations should be watched because of their potentially\n- 23 -\n,\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 71" }, { "n": 72, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p72.jpg", "text": "great influence on mass thinking if widespread sightings should occur.\nThe apparent irresponsibili:\\:.y and the possible use of such groups\nf c,r suhversive pu.:·posos should be kept in mind.\nINCRJ•.:A SB; IN NUMJ3I~R OF SIGHTINGS\n. The consensus of the Panel was, based upon the history of the\nsubject, that the number of sightings could be reasonably expected\nto increase agnin this summer.\n•\n•\n•\n... 24 ­\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841. Page 72" }, { "n": 73, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p73.jpg", "text": "•\n'\nI\n•\n• TAB A\nREPORT OF THE SCIENTIFIC PANEL\nON\nUNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS\n1. Pursuant to the requost\n·---:--~~, th~. undorsigned Panel of Scientific Consultants has met to\nevaluate any possible threat to national security posed by Unidentified\nF'lying Objects (\"Flying Saucers\"), and to make recommendations thereon.\nThe Panel has recoived the evidence as presented by cognizant intelli­\ngence agencies, primarily the Air. Technical Intelligence Center, and has\nreviewod a solectj_on of the best documented incidents.\n2. As a result of its considerations, the Panel concludes:\na. -That the evidence presented on Unidentified Flying\nObjects shows no indication that these phenomena constitute\na direct physfcal threat to national security.\n,·\nWe firmly believe that there is no residuum of cases which indicates\nphenomena which are attributable to foreign artifacts capable of hostile\nacts, and that there is no evidence that the phenomena indicates a need\nf <>r the revision of current scientific concepts.\n3.\nThe Panel further concludes:\na. That the continued emphasis on the reporting of\nthese phenomena does, in these parlous, times, result i.n a\nthreat to the orde1·ly functioning of the protective organs\nof the body politic.\nWe cite as examples the clogging'of channels of communication by irrelevant\nreports, the dangP-r of being led by continued false alarms to ignore real\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:347148-41 Page 73" }, { "n": 74, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p74.jpg", "text": "◄\n1\nI\nC\nindications of hostilo action, and the cultivation o:f a morbid national\npsychology in which skillful hostile propaganda could induce hysterical\nbehavior and harmful distrust of duly constituted authority.\n4. In o,.der n1oat o.ffoot1v•l)\" to •trongthon tho no.tionil facil1tioa\nfor the.-timely repognition and the appropriate handling of true indications\nof hostile action, and to minimize the concomitont dangers alluded to\n.above, the Panel reconmiends:\na. That the national security agencies take immediate steps\nto strip the Unidentified Flying Objects or the special status they\n.\nhave been given and tbe aura of mystery they have unfortunately\nacquired;\nb. That the national security agencies institute policies\non intelligence, training, nnd public educ3.tion designed to prepare\nthe material defenses and the morale of tho country to recognize\nmost promptly and to react most effectively to true indications\nof hostile intent or action.\n•·\nWe suggest that these aims may be achieved by an integrated program\ndesigned to reassure the public of the total lack of evidence of·inimical\n\\\n~orces behind the phenomena, to train personnel to recognize and reject\nfalse indications quickly and e~fectively, and to strengthen regular\nchannels for the evaluation of and prompt reaction to true indications\nof host:j_le measures.\ns H.P. Robertson Chairman\nV. Berkner\nCalifornia Institute of Technology\nAssociated Universities, Inc.\n._ __;;;...__\nLuis W. ~lvarez\n/s/ S. A. Go\"!,ldsmit\n,.\nUniversity of California\nBrookhaven National Laboratories\nPage 74\nThornton Pae\nJohns Hopkins University\nNW 90306\"\nDoclrl:34714841" }, { "n": 75, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p75.jpg", "text": "SiFIED\nTABB\nSCIENTIFIC ADVISORY PANEL ON\nUNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS\n•\n.14 - 17 January 1953\nEVIDENCE PRESENTED\n_,_\n■\nI\n1. Seventy-five case histories of sightings 1951 - 1952 (sele~ted by\nATIC as those best documented).\n2.· ATIC Status and Progress Reports of Project GRUOOE and Project\nBLUE BOOK (code names for ATIC study of subject).\n•\nJ. _Pr~gress Repo:r:-ts of Projec~ STORK --· _)·---··---..,·-·---·=·-·=-•..--1;\"!',J\n,, •contract work supporting ATIC •\n.___..,,\nL}.\nSummary Report of Sightings at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico.\n5. Report of USAF Research Center, Cambridge, Mass., Investigation of\n\"Green FirE'ball\" Phenomena (Project TWlNKLE).\n6.\nOutline.of Investigation of U.F.o.•s Proposed by Kirtland Air Force\nBase (Project POUNCE).\n7. Motion Picture Films of sightings at Trem,nton 1 Utah, 2 July 1952\nand Great Falls, Montana, August 1950.\n8.\nSummary Report of 89 selected cases of sightings of various\n..\ncategories (Formations, Blinking Lights, Hovering, etc.).\n9.\nDraft of mo.nuel:\n\"How to Make a FLYOBRPT\", prepared at ATIC.\n10. Chart Showing Plot of Geographic Location of Unexplained Sightings\nin the United States during 1952.\n11. Chart Showing Balloon Launching Sites in the United States.\n12. Charts Showing Selected Actual Balloon Flight Paths and Relation\nto Reported Sightings.\n.\n.\nlJ..Charts Showing Frequency of Reports of Sightings, 1948·- 1952..\n14. Charts Showing Categories or Explanations or Sightings. •\n15. Kodachrome Transparencies of Polyethylene Film Ba.lloons iri Bright\nSunlight Showing High Reflectivity•\nPage 75\n• N'W 90.3.{)fi\n.\nDoclrl:34714841" }, { "n": 76, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p76.jpg", "text": ".16. Motion picture of seagulls in bright sunlight showing high reflectivity.\n17.\nIntelligence Reports Relating to u.s.s.R. _Interest in U. s. Sightings.\n18. Samples of Official USAF Reporting Forms and Copies ot Pertinent\nAir Force, Army and Navy Orders Relating. to Subject.\n19. Sample Po\nethylene \"Pillow\" Balloon (54 inches square).\n20.\n\"Variations in Radar Coverage\", JANP 101 (Manual illustrating unusual\noperating characteristics of Service radar).\n21. Miscellaneous official letters and foreign intelligence reports\ndealing with subject.\n•\n22.\nCopies of popular published works dealing with subject {articles\nin periodicals, nawspaper clippings and books).·\n•\n•\n.\n... 2 ­\nNW 90306\"\nDocld:34714841 Page 76" }, { "n": 77, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p77.jpg", "text": ".\n~\n. l. • The undersigned Panel of Scientific Consultants baa met lit···\nthe requeat ot the Goverment to evaluate a-ny poaaible threat to\nnational security posed by Unidentified Flying ObJeota ( 'TJ.y:Lng\nSaucers\"), and ·to make recame:pda·t:tont The Pan~l bas received the\n• . '\n~·· -:-..\n• •\n: • \\ :\nREPCBT Cl! m SCIDTIFIC PANBL\n.\nON\ntmIDDTifIED FI:!IliG CBJECTS\n. '\n•\nt\n•\n~\n~\n'\n, ( ... \\ ~·\n~ '\nl7'Janunry 1953\n!? \\ ::: ••\nevidence •• presented by cognizant Governmental agencies, pr:1marily •·~ .. ;·\n\\ { ·\n, the United States Air.Force, and has :reviewed a aelection ot th' ... •.\n. ..\n!· •. · ··. . . . . , .. • • 'but documented incidents ., •\n•·\n·\"'\n'\n• ·,.\ni\n,\n', .\n..\n..\n. •.\n. '\n'..'\n.\n.\n.\nI\n,,-\n'\n,•. •:.\n• ·,:\n... ••• •\n2.· As a result of its considerations, the Panel. copca,µdeas\n•\nt\n'\n•\n...\n'l'hat the evidence presented o~ Unidentit1e411Y1nS\n,-,\n1\n,\n• r . •\nObjects shows no indication that these l)henanena constitute\nt ,, >\nWe fi:::::1::: :er:t~on:::::~e::::~, which 1n41c•~•\n,l· .:::· .. .:. :'i:~t~..•. phenomena which a:r.:fJ attributable to foreign artifacts ca:pe.ble ot ,!\nV , , : •,,\n:i:.:t1. : hoatile acta., and that there is no evidence that the pbenomena\nf: . · .. ··':<··,:};J \\ :lndicate a n\n\\for the revision ot current 1cientitio 0011cept1.\n! . : .\n-~\n. : •.\n3, In th; '}1e,ht of this conclusion, tha ~nal reoC111111m41:\nI\n~· ..•\n''~\n',\\ t\n' '\n... ~ ,,\nThat the national security agencies take imme&te atepa\nto strip the Unidentified Fl.yins ObJects ot the special' atatua :..\nI •·\n!\n'\n,, '\\ .\nthey have been given and the a.ura ot myater1 tbq bave\n.\nunfortunately acquire~.\nWe auggeet that this aim may be achieved by an integrated program\ndesigned to reassure the public~ the total lack ot evidence cJt\n1n:1aical. torcea behind the phenomena •\n, '.\nB\nersitie,_., Inc •.\nH.P. Roberts\nirma\nCalifornia Inatitu;te ot Technology\ns. A. Gouda\nBrookhaven National LabORtoriea\nerez\nlUornia\n,,,\n'\nl\n,\n~\n',',\n\\\n~. ·,•• : <' •.•\n'\n~\n;,i\n, \" I'\n,,;' ,.\\\n,,,..\n,," }, { "n": 78, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p78.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 79, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p79.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 80, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p80.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 81, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p81.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 82, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p82.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 83, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p83.jpg", "text": "..\n-\n~\nDocld:3471.\\Mf Page 83\n.. ,. 1111\n•• 1111\n...... 11111\n,.. •• 1 ...\na, HIil\nf NW9l>Jl)6" }, { "n": 84, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p84.jpg", "text": "" }, { "n": 85, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/dow-uap-d092/p85.jpg", "text": "..\n.,\n....\n....\n....\n,/'i' ,;,\".\",\nOottitt:34114841 Page 8-i\n·NW90J&6:" } ] }