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 "slug": "nasa-uap-d016",
 "title": "NASA-UAP-D016 Preliminary-Gemini-4-Crew-Debriefing Part1 1965",
 "agency": "NASA",
 "year": "1965",
 "page_count": 340,
 "source_page": "https://wearenotalone.space/document/nasa-uap-d016/",
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   "text": "I\n/00\nAuthority:\nDECLASSIFIED\nNW 91526\nf\nGroup 4:\n82\nCLASSIF!CAT:ON CHANGE\no____\n3 8\nBy authority of--~4,...L.11.1-...___.~~L--L-....t.-e=---1\nhanged by U~1:i:.~1 LDate\n1973\n42,\n/ /4­\nPRELIMINARY\nGT-4 FLIGHT CREW DEBRIEFING TRANSCRIPI'\nPART I\nPrepared By\nSpacecraft Operat ions Branch\nFlight Crew Support Division\nJune 16, 1965\nThis material contains information affecting the\nnational defense of the United States within the\nmeaning of the Espionage Laws , Title 18.\nU. S. C\nSection 793 and 794 , the transmission or revel a­\ntion of which in any manner to an unaut horized\nperson is prohi bi ted by law.\nDowngrade at 3 year intervals\nDeclassified after 12 years\nNOTICE: This document may be exempt from\npublic disclosure under the Freedom of lnfor•\nrnation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for Its ra•\nlec1~e to persons outside the U. S. Government\nshould be handled under the provisions of\nNASA Polley Cir-ecti11e 1382.2,\nI"
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   "text": "COI\\JFIDENTIAt\nPREFACE\nThis preliminary transcript was made from voice tape recordings\nof the GT-4 flight crew debriefing conducted aboard the recovery ship,\nthe USS Wasp, on June 9, 1965.\nAlthough all the material contained in this transcript has been\nedited, the urgent need for the preliminary transcript by mission\nanalysis personnel precluded a thorough editorial review prior to its\npublication. Errors in this transcript will be corrected as soon as\npossible and an official transcript will be published at a later date.\nThis document contains a transcript of the first part of the\ndebriefing, during which the crew described the mission generally\nfrom an operational viewpoint .\nA preliminary transcript of the re­\nmainder of the debriefing will be published by June 23, 1965. It\nwill cover systems operations, operational checks, visual sightings,\nexperiments , pre-mission planning, mission control, and training."
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   "text": "TABLE OF CONTENTS\nParagraph\nPage Number\n1.0\nCOUNTDOWN\n1 . 1 Crew Insertion. ... ................... . . .\n.. . 1\n1. 2\nCornmlll1ications . . . . . ............... .. ... .\n.. .. 2\n1. 3 Crew Participation and Countdown....\n..............-..6\n1.4 Comfor t . ....................... .\n.7\n1. 5 Environmental Control System .................... ' ..... . ,9\n1.6 Sounds ...... .\n.... 11\n1. 7 Vibrations .. .\n. ... 13\n1. 8\nVisual .. . ....... .. .\n. ... 13\n1.9 Crew Station Controls and Displays\n.1 5\n2.0\nPOWERED FLIGHT\n2. 1 Lift- Off Cues\n....................... 17\n2.2 Roll Program\n2.3 Pitch Program ... .\n..... 19\n2.4 Aerodynamics .... .\n20\n•\n•\nM\n•\n•\n2. 5 Environmental Control System\n. .... \"\" ............... 20\n2.6 Maximum g ....... .\n....... 21\n2. 7 Windshear ...... . .\n. ...... 21\n2.8\nDCS Update\n........................\n22\n•\n•\n•\n•\n•\n•\n•\nM. •\n2.9 Engine 1 Operation .....\n. 22\n2. 10 Engine 2 Status .. .\n.23\n2.11 Accel eration g's .. .\n. ........ 23\n2. 12 BECO ........ . ...... .\n. ........ 24\n2. 13 Staging . . . ...... .\n.. .................... 25\n2. 14 Engine 2 Ignition\n. .. 25\n2. 15 RGS Initiate .... .\n... 26\n2. 16 GO/NO GO . ............. .\n.................\n. .. 28\n2.17 Systems Status ........ .\n' ....\n. ..... 28\n2. 18 Acceleration ................... .\n. .. .. 31\n2.19 SECO. ....... .\n......................\n. .... 31\n2. 20 Steering ....................................... . . .. .... 32\n3.0\nINSERTION\n3.1 Post-S.EDO\n•... 34\n3.2 SECO + 20 Seconds\n................ .. 35\n3.3 Insertion Activities . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38\nORBITAL FLIGHT\n4. 1 Station- Keeping ....... .... .. ......... .\n.......... ... 50\n4.2 Extravehicular Activities ............ .\n. ......... - ..87"
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   "text": "Ot her Orbital Operations\n..... ~86\nPreretro Preparations ...\n. ........\n..... 250\n5.0\n6.0\n1.0\nREI'ROFIRE\n5.1\n5. 2\n5. 3\n5.4\n5.5\n5. 6\n5. 7\n5.8\n5.9\nT - 36 Events ... .\n~ - 22 Events .. .\n:5:i- 13 Events\n:5:i- 12 Event s ... .\n!R-5 Events .. . ........ .\n~R: 1 ~eennttss • ••• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •\niir.: 0 .c, v\n••••••••••••••••••••\nRet r opack Jettison ........... .\nCommunicat i ons ... . ........... .\nREENTRY\n6. 1\nReentry Parameter Update\n6.2\n400 K .................. .\n6.3\n0. 4 g ................ .\n6.4\nAcceleration Profile\n6. 5\nSpacecraft Control ........ .\n6.6\n100 000 Feet . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ....... .\n6.7\n50 000 Feet ............. .\n6.8\nMain Chute Deployment . .\n6.9\nCommUJ1ications . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\n6.10 Singl e-Point Rel ease ....\n6. 11 Pos tmain Checkli st Items\nLANDI NG AND REDOVERY\n7.1\n7. 2\n7.3\n7.4\n7. 5\n7.6\n7. 7\n7.8\n7.9\n7. 10\n7. 11\nImpact ...... .\nChecklists\nCommuni cations ...\n. . ............ 259\n. ... 260\n... 260\n.. 261\n. ... 265\n.... 270\n.... 273\n. ... 280\n.••• 281\n.•••• 282\n. .... 282\n. . .. 284\n..... 290\n.... 296\n...... 296\n.. •.. 299\n. ...... 302\n. .... 303\n. ........... . .... 305\n......... ·•....... 306\n... 310\n.. 313\n... 314\nSystems Configuration\n..................... 316\nSpacecraft Status ...... . .... .\n. ............ 320\nPost-Landing Activiti es ..... .\n. ............... 325\nC·omfort ............... .\n. .. . .. .... ... 325\nRecovery For ce Personnel\n.. 326\nEgress ......... . .. .\n. . 327\nSurvival Gear ..... .\n...• 328\nCrew Pi ckup ......... .\n. ....... 328"
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   "text": "1.1 Crew Insertion\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCO ►~FIDE►~TIAb.\n1.0 COUNTDOWN\nThe only problem during insertion was that I\nfogged up again in my suit before we got the fans\non.\nI think I'm just going to always fog up in\nthat suit of mine.\nWe turned the fans on quick,\nbut with the visors closed it doesn't go out.\nWe did have a problem with crew insertion on the\nWet Mock and I think we had that probably pretty\nwell taken care of.\nThey put us on the suit\nloops and didn't turn the fans on. Normally you\nwait for a clearance from the 1:t>acecraft Test\nConductor before you throw any switches. Well,\nafter we almost \"died\" of carbon dioxide poison­\ning during this +,est~ we got this matter\nclarified.\nAs soon as we got in the spacecraft\nand one of us was on the suit loop, we would go\nahead and cut the switches on to put us on two\nfans.\nWe did this during insertion in the Wet\nMock. It really went well.\nWe really went for a long time in Wet Mock.\nwas beginning to wonder if I was going to have to\nopen my visor.\nI was really uncomfortable.\nCOt74 FIDEt~TIAsb­\nI"
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   "text": "2\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n1. 2 Communications\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nBut everything worked out okay on this one.\nYes.\nThe timing was excellent , I thought.\nI didn't\nthink we had any probl em at all .\nNo.\nI don ' t believe they missed a stroke on the\ninsertion.\nI think the communications were pretty well\nworked out, Jim?\nRight.\nOne thing, the last three minutes or four\nminutes, we got a little confused about who was\ntalking to who .\nI was getting the Spacecraft\nTest CJnductor, the Booster Test CJnductor and\nthe CAP COM at the same time.\nWe got a split count , too, on lif't--off.\nThe first three or four minutes I was hearing the\nB)oster Tast C?nductor.\nI heard what was going\non on his loop , and I was listening to him get\nchecks in f r om all of the guys .\nI really wasn ' t\ngetting a clue as to what was going on.\nI was\nsupposed to be getting the booster clues from the\ntest conductor.\nI was supposed to find out when\nthe engines were going to gimbal and when they\n-€9·NFl9E~TIA;t"
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   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nCOl>J~IDENIIA~\n3\nwere going to open the prevalves and stuff.\nI\nwasn't getting it from him.\nWe were getting a\nlot of other information that made a lot of sense\nto the Booster Test C:>nductor, but not an awful\nlot to us .\nThere were cal l - outs l ikeVSequence\n05003 complete.\" Well, this just didn' t mean any­\nthing to us .\nOn top of this we had the Spacecraft\n~est Conductor calling out the times , and super­\nimposed on all of this was Al Shephard, the Cape\nCAP COM, calling out events that he was reading\noff that went on at certain specified times .\nHe\ncalled out','Stage 1 prevalvesVand we could hear the\nfuel gushing downstairs and the whole booster\nrumbling.\nHe called out','Stage 2 prevalves','and\nyou could hear the same thing all over again.\nI\nthought t hat was a lot more meaningful than the\ntest conductor comments.\nI think that was wrong, the way they were doing it .\nI think we weren't supposed to be on any loop\nexcept CAP COM at that time.\nWell, I think what happened was that we got this\nthing over-coordinated.\nAl was going to give us\nall this information, but then as a result of\nGT-3, (Gus and Jolm said they didn ' t get enough\n-t:ON FI0 Er\\JTl~L"
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   "text": "4\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nr<3 eI<i FltEt>I TIRt\ninformation about the boosters) they put this in­\nformation on the test conductor' s loop too .\nWe\nha.d too many guys talking.\nI think if just CAP\nCOM talked from thr ee minutes on down we would\nbe all right .\nThis is the way I thought it was going to happen,\nand then from three minutes on down it really got\nbusy with the yak , yak, yak of everybody talking.\nI don't lmow whether we got off the Booster ~st\nC)nductor's loop or not, but at final countdown,\nAl gave me\n2 minutes , 1 1/2, 1, 30, 20 , 10 , 9,\n8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.\nI got a similar count\nfrom the Spacecraft Test C~nductor but it turned\n01 ·.t that they were a second out of sequence on\nthe countdown and Al was giving me 10 and our\nSpacecraft Test Conductor was giving me 9.\nSo it\nwent ten-nine, nine-eight, eight-seven.\nThey\nwere at the same t ime .\nAll I knew was that we\nwere getting close to engine ignition and then it\nstarted .\nSo, we got a little over-communicated\nthere .\nI think t hey kept us adequately informed\non the hold.\nAs a matter of fact , I ' d say we got\nover-informed there at the end.\nWe had too many\nguys keeping us informed and I think the pendulum\n<Ol<:JFIDel'4TIAl"
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   "text": "5\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nswung from the GT-3 flight where nobody got in­\nformed of anything over to our flight where we\ngot i nformed by three different people about the\nsame event.\nOn our flight, too, we were really more\naware of t he problem than those people were.\nWe\ncould sit right here and see the gantry come\ndown and stop, that was really the only problem\nthey had in the whole count .\nI don't think radio discipline is a problem, Each\nguy was disciplined on his own channel .\nThey were\nconducting their tests on their own channel .\nBut\nwe were lis tening to three different communica­\ntors at the same time.\nWe should have had only\none.\nI think probably what we will need to do is\nto get to about T-3, and then just cut in the\nCAP COM.\nThat was the way it wa.s planned to be, I thought.\nThat's the way Al planned it.\nThat's correct.\nI think, because there had been\nsome lack of information on GT-3, that it some­\nhow had been written into the SEDR so that we\nwere also on the Booster Test Conductor's MOPS,\nso that we were also getting his countdown.\nI\nCOrq--pf0f:Nfl1tt"
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   "text": "6\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthink CAP COM, 'alone, would have been sufficient .\nOne further comment , I had to turn my ·11HF volume\nall the way up to hear anybody.\nI was at max.\nThere we were sitting right on the pad , talking\nto a gu:y two miles away, and there I was with the\nvolume full up . It didn ' t give me much confi­\ndence as to reception I was going to get when I\nwas 200 miles away , or three or four or five\nhundred miles away .\nI thought that the volume\ncontrol on the radio was inadequate.\nWe were wondering what we were going to have when\nwe got up a hundred miles.\nThat's right.\nAt max volume we didn't have enough\nand at minimum volume it didn't shut it off.\nWe\nwill cover this later.\n1.3 Crew Participation and Countdown\nMcDivitt\nI think it was just about right .\nI don' t think\nwe were over worked and I think we had enough to\ndo to keep us busy.\nWhite\nActually, all we really made was a check of\nswitches .\nThere wasn ' t really too much else.\nHaving the back-up crew run that midcount was the\nthe right solution.\nI wouldn't have wanted to\nparticipate in anymore of t he countdown than I\n-COt<JFtDEt'4flJ<l"
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   "text": "7\nMcDivitt\n1.4 Comfor t\nWhite\n€O ► 4FIDE ► ~TI/>,~\ndid.\nThat's an excellent point.\nThe flight crew's\nparticipation should be the final count, not the\nmidcount and precount. It doesn't tire the prime\ncrew out doing a lot of chores that they don't\nreally have to do.\nI think this is a good pro­\ncedure.\nInitially, the first 20 or 30 minutes, I was\nsquirming around and I felt a little uncomfor­\ntable.\nBut after I had been in for 30 or 40\nminutes I didn't feel there was a real restric­\ntion on staying for several more hours.\nI would\nhave been very disappointed if they had said,\n\"Well you have been in there long enough and we\nwill work on this gantry and try it again tomor­\nrow.\" I would have been happy to stay there\nseveral more hours while they fixed the gantry\ninstead of pulling me out.\nAfter an hour and 40 minutes,which is the end of\nthe normal countdown,I didn't feel uncomfortable.\nWe sat in the simulator and were a lot more un­\ncomfortable than this.\nI didn't feel uncomfor­\ntable.\nI had a chance to take a couple of little\nCO ► 4FIDE~~TIA~"
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   "text": "8\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCOl'IFIDE~4TIAt\nnaps.\nI noticed Jim was napping too.\nYes.\nI concur with F.d, although I don't want\nto get carried overboard.\nWe shouldn't scrub\ndue to crew fatigue .\nI think it is up to the crew.\nIf the crew is un­\ncomfortable they should come down.\nBut I don't\nthink he should say, \"Okay, two hours and 30\nminutes .\nYou cut this off. \", because it is an\noperational procedure.\nWhen I first got assigned to the crew I always\nfel t one of the toughest things to do would be\nlaying back for an hour and 40 minutes or so\nprior to launch.\nThe time we spent in the simu­\nlator laying on our back, I thought to be a very\nuncomfortable position.\nAs we went through all\nthe training and testing at McDonald, and again\nat the Cape ,\n;ny back got more callouses on it.\nI got used to laying with my feet over my head.\nAt launch time I wasn't a bit tired from laying\non my back.\nThis is brought out in one of our last simulations ,\nwhere we ran the whole four hour simulation and\nwe forgot to have them tilt us up to 30 degrees.\nWe just got used to running that way,\nCOl\"I P\"te E~~Tl,\\l"
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   "text": "9\n€Otr4FIDEttftAl\nMcDivitt\nThat ' s right, I just don't think we should\nscrub the flight because of fatigue.I don ' t think we\nshould do that.\nWe weren ' t approaching this point.\nWhite\nWe had a long way to go.\n1. 5 Environmental Control System\nMcDivitt\nI think we ought to get this water management\npanel squared away and everybody figure out what\nwe are supposed to do with those switches.\nI\ndon ' t think we should be arguing about where the\nswitches are supposed to be on the launch pad. If\nI hadn't asked somebody where the waste manage­\nment switches should be we would have probably\nlaunched with it in · EVAPORATOR.\nI knew that\ni t wasn't supposed to be in the evaporator.\nAt\none of the ten thousand briefings we got on it, we\nwere told it shouldn't be there.\nWe ought to get·\nthis kind of stuff squared away before launch day.\nThirty minutes before lift-off we were arguing\nabout where that switch was supposed to be.\nWhite\nI wasn't confident that they knew where they\nwanted that switch to be.\nMcDivitt\nWell, I didn ' t think we should have it in the eva­\nporator.\nSo, I think that water panel could have\ncost as much as a wee~s slip on our launch because\ncoNFIDENTIAt­"
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   "text": "10\n€01'1FIE>Et<ITtAt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthey didn't know where to put those valves and\nit's only got three valves on it. It ought to be\nmade much simpli er than it is .\nI think they\nshould get that squared away before the next\nflight.\nF,d and I knew where we wanted it. We\nwanted it off and the other two switches in\nNORMAL and leave it alone.\nThat's what we flew\nwith.\nThat's the way it ought to be fixed .\nWe can get canned , though, for not flying with it\nin the right position by the checklist .\nIt\ndidn't say that on the checklist\nEvery check\nlist we got was different .\nThat ' s right! Fach one was different .\nFi nally\nwe decided we were going to do it as w.e did and\nleft it thr ough out the whol e flight .\nEvel;'y­\nthing worked fine .\nWe had ECS briefings by a\nmul titude of peoples from MAC\nincluding the\nguys who designed it. Everyone of them dis­\nagreed , It probably started out to be one of the\nsimplest things in the whole spacecraft.\nBy the\ntime they got t hrough confusing us with it, I\ngot the feeling nobody knew what was s_i,,.pposed to\nhappen to it.\nI consider this the most danger­\nous of all.\n'€0 l<I F' IE> Et-q ftAt"
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   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\n1.6 Sounds\nMcDivitt\n11\nI was convinced of that, too, after the mix-up\nin putting all the water in the lithium hydroxide\ntan.ks.\nThere would have been about a 30 minute four-day\nmission.\nThe people that built the thing don't know how\nit is supposed to go.\nThey had better decide\nthis and let us know.\nI felt that George Roe at\nthe Cape knew what was going on except the Cape\npersonnel got the valves in the wrong position and\nalmost lost the lithium hydroxide canister full\nof water with no water in the tanks.\nI ' m not\npointing a finger at George Roe • I think he'·s\npret.ty knowledgeable about the system.. Maybe\nsomebody just wasn't following directions.\nBut\nsomebody ought to find out about the water\nmanagement system and make it clear to everybody\nhow it is supposed to be operated.\nYou can hear the prevalve~ both first and second\ns tages. The prevalves and the fluid gushing are\nvery loud noises comparable to the engine gim-­\nbaling. I wasn't really aware that they were\n~\ngoing to be that loud.\nC-0t~FIDf~qflAb"
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   "text": "12\n'COI\\IFIDE~◄ llAl\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI got that feeling when I read Gus and John ' s\ndebriefing.\nDid you?\nI didn't.\nI got the impression that it\nwas going to be a much quieter noise.\nWell, the whole noise level of the engine girnbal­\ning\nwas louder than I thought it was going to\nbe. It surprised me .\nYes. Engine gimbaling was much louder than I\nheard before.\nWe heard this during Wet Mock and\nduring precount and at midcount.\nYou can hear\nthose engines gimbal around; they really shake the\nspacecraft.\nBut, I really wasn't prepared for\nthe big noise that the prevalves make, and such\na long noise as that fuel gushed down to the\nbottom.\nI guess that was what it was.\nI didn't like t he sounds and vibrations we got\nwhen they raised and\nlowered the gantry.\nIt shook the whole spacecraft.\nIt shook the whole spacecraft--did you notice how\nit never came up straight? The spacecraft was\nsupposed to line up kind of like this and then\nwham!\nI had visions of them knocking us off and\nlaying us flat on the ground before we were\nlaunched,\nco~,Fl0Et'4TIAI:"
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   "text": "13\n1,7 Vibrations\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n1,8 Visual\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncor:,-~FIDEl'~TIA I\nThose are closely associated with the sounds.\nYes.\nI think that the engine gimbaling makes a\ntremendous vibration in the spacecraft and pre­\nvalves on opening and make a tremendous vibration.\nThe gantry going back and forth vibrated the\nspacecraft.\nI don ' t think there is anything else,\ndo you?\nNo.\nWell, you can sure see the gantry lower and the\nwhite room disappear.\nThat is about all you can\nsee besides the sky.\nThat's pretty impressive. That's when I sort of\ngot excited,when the gantry went down.\nThat ' s a\nnew realm.\nI thought they were going to launch me.\nYou're sitting there by yourself then, instead\nof all those people milling around.\nI do want to make one other comment on this visual\nthing.\nWe did Wet Mock about one or two o'clock\nin the afternoon. The sun was shining right in\nthe window, almost straight down, such that the\nsun came across my visor from about just at the\nGOt~FIDEMTIM"
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   "text": "14\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nt:Ol-<IFIDEt'4T IAt\nbridge of my nose on down.\nI had a tremendous\namount of reflection inside the helmet, and I had\na great amount of difficulty seeing the instru-­\nment panel.\nAs a matter of fact, I'm not sure I\ncould have seen the instrument panel at all .\n~ose first few seconds there are extremely cri­\ntical on launch.\nYou have to be able to see those\ntank pressure sages.\nWe ought to keep this in\nmind for those late afternoon launches .\nThat is a problem, but the g loads are so small\nat this time you could almost forget ab1ut look­\ning up.\nDid I fly like this for awhile during l aunch?\nI don't think so but you could have, The g load is\nso small.\nI'm not sure whether I did or not.\n\"'his is what we had to do during Wet Mock.\nWe\nhad to put our hand up and cover the window to\nlook down at our instruments to see them,\nI 'm not sure I didn ' t launch that way .\nI wouldn't be surprised if you did.\nI don't think I launched that way, but as we\ntilted over and we got in the sun, I think I put\nmy hand up for awhile.\nCOMftDEl'1 IIAI."
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   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p23.jpg",
   "text": "15\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWell, if the g's are so low that-­\nWhen sun gets in your face you can't see the in­\nstrument panels because they are just too dark.\nThe sun gets in your eyes.\nThe point that Jim\nwas making is towards a late-in-the-day launch,\nwhich we might have later in the program, there\nmight be a bit of a problem of seeing the instru­\nments during launch.\nUnless they put something\nup, which I really don't think you want to d~ You\nare just going to have to put your arms up and\nshield the sun out and concent~ate on your in­\nstruments or you won't see them.\nThey are just\ngone.\nThere is probably a point even in an early morn­\ning trajectory as you start to pitch over where\nthe sun will come right in your window and you\nwon't be able to see your instruments unless you\nshield your eyes.\n1,9 Crew Station Controls and Display\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI found the switches all where they were supposed\nto be and the cockpit all set up.\nSo did I, except the comment I made on the water\nmanagement system.\nThey didn't have the control\nwhere it was supposed to be.\nAt least, they had"
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   "n": 24,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p24.jpg",
   "text": "16\nWhite\n~CNFIOEt~TIAt\nit in the place where everybody was arguing about\nwhether or not it should be,\nI certainly appreciated the work the backup crew\ndid getting the cockpit all set up for us.\nEvery­\nthing was ready to go when we stepped in.\nThat ' s\nthe way it should be.\nCOl<:tll10E~4TIAL"
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   "n": 25,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p25.jpg",
   "text": "17\n2.1\nLift-Off Cues\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n€Ot◄ Fl9ENllAl\n2.0 POWER FLIGHT\nCAP COM gave lift-off, about as good a cue as you\ncan get.\nWasn't any question either.\nBoy, you could feel\nthe first little motions of the booster as it\nwent up. It was really great!\nI think you could feel the acceleration at re­\nlease.\nThere wasn't a doubt in my mind that we\nwere loose.\nThat 's right.\nI don't know if I could feel the\nbolts or hear them.\nAs a matter of fact, it seemed to steady out a\nlittle bit. The vibrations seemed to decrease\na little. Pretty impressive!\nNot much vibration at lift-off. Very low.\nVery low.\nI got vibrations later on, though,\ndidn't you?\nYes.\nNoise.\nThere wasn't much noise, was there?\nNo.\nThere was less than I had expected.\nNoise wasn't a cue to lift-off. Noise was there"
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   "n": 26,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p26.jpg",
   "text": "18\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nif you were bolted down all day long.\nI don't\nthink the noise changed a bit at lift- off.\nYou could see the visual cues out the window.\nYou were watching your gages, Jim.\nWere there clouds out there?\nNo, but I could see it in the clear blue sky.\nCould you?\nYes.\nI could see the motion.\nOkay.\nWell, I couldn't.\nI was looking out,\nI saw a little cloud go by and then I didn ' t see\nany more clouds at all,\nIt was beautiful!\nThe event timer st arted just like it should,\nOf\ncourse, that 's the best display inside the space­\ncraft for lift-off.\nThe event timer starts , and\nit did,\nWe got both clocks started with the t ime hack.\nhad a watch hack on lift-off and the ...\nhandle\ngoing.\nI knew when the engine ignited, within\nhalf a second accuracy.\nThree seconds later I\nwas waiting for the lift-off and it came right at\nthree seconds,\nWe could tell ignition, too .\nWe could hear the\n'€0 ► ~FIDEJ>1TJAL\nI"
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   "n": 27,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p27.jpg",
   "text": "19\n2·. 2\nWhite\nRoll Program\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n2. 3\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nPitch Program\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nthings go.\nI agree with you.\nI knew we weren ' t going to hold\nit when that lift-off went.\nRoll program came in at ten seconds just like it\nwas supposed to.\nI t was smooth, and it was just\nthe way it was planned, on at ten seconds and went\nout at twenty seconds.\nCould you see it roll\nout the window?\nYou can see everything out the window, I think.\nYou can probably tell by the way the sun rays are\nmoving, can't you?\nYes, by change in lighting.\nThe right seat has\na better view.\nYou have to watch the guages so\nclosely.\nI didn ' t even look out the window.\nI know you didn't.\nPitch program started just like it was supposed\nto, at twenty three seconds.\nPitched over the\nproper amount, the pitch needles looked like\nthey were hanging in there all the way.\nYou could see the booster pitch definitely, and\nthat was mainly due to a change in the lighting."
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   "n": 28,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p28.jpg",
   "text": "20\n2 ,4 Aerodynamics\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nco~~FIDE~~TIAt:\nWe were getting aerodynamic noise, which built up\nto max q.\nWe got some pretty good vibrations at\nmax q.\nThat's where I had the most vibrations . It was\njust shaking like this.\nIt was vibrating and noisy.\nThat was the loudest noise we received the whole\nflight.\nRight after max q it got very qui et .\nThis is where I had the most vibrations.\nThere\nwere more than I expected.\nYes, me too. You can' t simulate this in a simula­\ntor.\nYou get more vibrations than you do noise.\nThe only thing they have in the simulator is\nnoise, they don't have vibrations. It was pretty\nloud and the spacecraft was actually shaking\naround a lot. It was really vibrating.\nYes, it was.\nMore than I expected.\nThe whole thing was really going at it.\nAlmost\nlike a F-80 or a T-33 at a.bout\n0.8 Mach.\nVery good analogy.\n2. 5 Environmental Control System\nWhite\nThe cabin started venting shortly after lift-off\n~O~◄ FltJEf<tftAL"
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   "n": 29,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p29.jpg",
   "text": "21\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n2.6 Maximum q\n....\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n2. 7 Windehea.r\nMcDivitt\nand continued so until about 40 seconds and sta­\nbilized out at 5.5 and I made my call in.\nI\nthink I might have called in on RECORD.\nYou did.\nI switched and made the final call at about 1:10,\nI realized I called on REDORD and switched over,\nHow high did it go? Did it go to 5.5?\n5. 5 and it stayed right there.\nAnd then I\nnoticed later on it progressively leaked off until\nit got to 4.9 where it stayed.\nThe suit? There\nreally isn' t anything to say about the suit.\nNo, I\ndon' t have anything to say about the suit.\nIt oi:erated like it was supposed to.\nThe noise built up gradually until we got to max\nq , then it just dropped off.\nThe deterioration of the noise was almost instan­\ntaneous.\nVery quick, It wasn ' t instantaneous , but it was\nvery quick.\nIn fact, it startled me when we separated.\nI didn't notice anything on the rate needles that\nhad anything to do with the windshea.r\nI couldn't"
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   "n": 30,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p30.jpg",
   "text": "22\neot~FIDE~~\"f1At\npick out windshear • on them.\nHow about you, Ed?\nWhite\nNo.\nMcDivitt\nDid you see any attitudes?\nWhite\nNo .\nMcDivitt\nNo big divergences from windshear .\n2.8\nDC~ Updates\nWhite\nWe got both of our ros updates right on time-­\nH'45\na.nd 2: 25,\nMcDivitt\nNo comment.\nEd is in charge of ros updates.\nWhite\nI 'm the button pusher.\nI do everything about\npushing the buttons.\nMcDivitt\nI can do this with this little stick.\nWhite\nYou can do it unless I have my knee over it.\n2. 9 Engin,®. 1 Operation\nMcDivitt\nThey operated the way they were supposed to as\nfar as I could tell .\nThe tank pressures stayed\nup fi~ on both\nEngine 1 and Engine 2.\nThere\nwas never any doubt in my mind that they were\ngoing to stay up there.\nThere weren't any of\nthose things like we saw in those simulations\nwhere they came on down pretty low on the gages\nwhen they were supposed to be at 18 or 15. There\nwasn't anything like that .\nThey just stayed on\nup there.\n€0t'1Flf7ENf 1Al"
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   "n": 31,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p31.jpg",
   "text": "23\nWhite\nJust where they were supposed to be.\nMcDivitt\nYes.\nI followed them a couple of times and said\nthey were staying up fine.\nThey were way up.\nThere wasn't any problem there,\n2.10 Engine 2 Status\nMcDivitt\nSecond stage pressure stayed right on up there\nvery high. Just the way they were supposed to.\nThere wasn't any problem there,\nThey didn't\ndecay all during the first stage.\n2.11 Acceleration g's\nMcDivitt\nThey weren't bad and I don't know where they went\nto on the g meter.\nWhite\nJust like riding in an old saddle.\nMcDivitt\nThat's right. It's very comfortable.\nSteady on­\nset.\nWhite\nNot very long.\nGee, we were below--\nMcDivitt\nWait a second.\nThis might be a good place to\ncover the pogo.\nI felt the pogo just prior to\nstaging, from about 2:15 on to 2:30.\nI could\nfeel pogo.\nWhite\nHow much were you getting?\nMcDivitt\nVery little, I could just feel it pull like this.\nDid you feel it at all?"
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   "n": 32,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p32.jpg",
   "text": "24\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n2.12 BEX;O\nMcDivitt\n- COt~FIDEt ◄ TIM\nNo .\nI could feel it .\nIt wasn't uncomfortable enough\nwhere I had to l ift my head or anything.\nI\nwasn't thinking about a pogo at all. It wasn't\nlike I was trying to sit there and think about it.\nBut as we were going along I could feel this vi­\nbration.\nAnd then it just crossed my mind, well\nthere is pogo, and then we went on to staging.\nBut it wasn ' t bad at all .\nThe amplitude must\nhave been-­\nYou were paying more attention to your clocks\nwhile I was watching the system ,gages and I\nwasn't really aware of the times that were going\non.\nI had my eyes- ­\nIt came around 2: 15 or so and lasted to about 2:30.\nMaybe it was 2: 10 or 2:05 , but it wasn't bad .\nWe had one area that I will get into later that I\nhaven't told you about and that I didn't like.\nOh.\nSo , I think we hit the pogo and the g ,. s .\nEngine shut down properly.\nThe lights came on.\nEngine~- 2 light went out and the Engine 1 lights\nwent out. Just the way it was supposed to at\nB~O and staging.\nTwo Stage 1 lights ON , Stage 2\nEOt<I flf)Et ◄ Tl1'c b"
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   "n": 33,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p33.jpg",
   "text": "25\nCOt ◄FIB~1'1llAl\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n2. 13 Staging\nMcDivitt\n2. 14 Engine 2 Ignition\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nlight OFF, Stage 1 lights OFF.\nAt that time I realized that we were going to\nfeel the pyros and stuf'f--feel the separation. It\nwas a very distinct feeling when we sepa rated.\nOf\ncourse, we immediately dropped in the thrust .\nThere wasn't any question,we had a good separation,\nin my mind.\nThis is just the way it was for all\nof our separations.\nEv-erytime we separated, it\nwas very clear that was what had happened.\nOh, yes, there wasn't a:ny doubt about it when\nthat first stage shut off--Voom!\nStaging was just as it should have been.\nEngine 2 started right on up.\nLike I mentioned\nearlier~the light went out and the tank pressure\nwent down just a tad, but it stayed way up there,\nabout two or three times as high as was necessary\nfor staging.\nIt never really did decrease. It\nstayed up around 45 or 50 psi, and we need 20 for\nstaging, so-­\nI couldn' t hear anything.\nDidn't you hear the engine?\nNo.\nI was listening but it still was quiet.\n€Ot~FIDENllAL -­"
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   "n": 34,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p34.jpg",
   "text": "26\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivi tt\n2 . 15 RGS Initiate\nMcDivitt\n'COl'4FIDEl'ffIA-t\nI didn't really get much of a cue out of it at all,\nexcept the lights went out and I could feel a\nlit tle bit of acceleration.\nThe acceleration decreased.\nAnother thing I\ndidn't get--I got absolutely no pitch-up associ-·\nated with the--the way the centrifuge does you at\nthe end of an acceleration. I think that is\nassociated with the cab on-­\nYes .\nI think that's the way they rotate those\ngimbals when you come on down.\nIf they rotate\nthem a certain way you can get that pitching-up-­\nA very safe forward-type deceleration.\nI think that pitching up on the centrifuge is not\na malfunction.\nIt' s just the programing that's\nhooked into the gimbals during the stop program.\nYou've got to get them all going the same way so\nthat you keep the vectors through you.\nDuring\nl aunch the vector is right through you. It's not\nvarying around , but in the shut-down on the cen­\ntrifuge those darn gimbals aren't always syn­\nchronized together.\nThey get shifted back there\nand it gives you that peculiar sensation.\nWell, I was really watching closely but my rate"
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   "n": 35,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p35.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivit t\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nneedles just barely changed .\nWe mus t not have\nhad any errors at al l .\nYes , I got a full error.\nDid you have a full error?\nYes, my pitch error went all the way down , and\nthen it just steered slowly right back up.\nRe­\nmember you-­\nYou did call and tell me you had a saturated-­\nDi d you call saturated , or did you say we had a\nbi g one?\nI called it saturated, I believe.\nThat ' s right.\nI called a saturated error and then I called you\nthat it was steering back to zer o.\nYes .\nI remember that you did call that.\nThat ' s the way they showed this on the plot, t hat\ni t would saturate there , am very quickly it\nseemed to gradually steer right back up.\nThe steering rates that went in were on the order\nof less than half a degree/second.\nThey were very low.\nVery, very low because I was on\nhigh scale.\nThe needle just barely deviated at all at RGS\nGO~JFIDEN\"flAl"
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   "n": 36,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p36.jpg",
   "text": "28\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n2. 16\nGO/ NO GO\nMcDivitt\n2, 17\nSystems Status\nWhite\ninitiate.\nIt was beautiful steering.\nNominal, nominal, nominal, except like that\nsaturation on the error needle, but we have been\nbriefed on that.\nThat ' s right.\nThat ' s something to be expecterui\nWhen did it saturate?\nRight at staging. No, right at guidance initiate.\nOh, okay. It saturated right there.\nRight there at guidance initiate, which is what\nyou ' d except.\nThey said they were GO and I said we were GO .\nThere wasn't much problem.\nEd and I had been\nchecking back and forth on the systems .\nI knew\nthey were all right.\nThe systems were all pretty good.\nThere was only\none I didn ' t like and that was the stack readings\non the main ammeters.\nOne was reading about 28\nand the other was reading about 14,\nBut I felt\nthat this was associated with bringing the batter­\nies on.\nI went through and checked everything.\nEverything was readi ng properly.\nThe control bus"
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   "n": 37,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p37.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nand main bus were all reading all right.\nI felt\nit was just a misbalance of loading.\nI talked to\nsomebody previous to this time and it was\nexplained to me that this could happen this way.\nI felt perhaps it was in the adapter batteries-­\nwould feed through on one of the stacks causing\none of them to take more than the other.\nYes.\nYou could have gotten into the knee of an\nadapter-­\nThis is what I had figured-- that a couple of my\nadapter aatteries were unbalanced, causing this\nto occur.\nI also had seen this on the simulator\nquite a few times.\nWhen did the unbalance start? When we got in\nthey were-•\nAs soon as we were on internal\npower?\nRight.\nAnd I didn't feel this was the time to\ntalk about it. It was still under 30 amps, which\nwas my point.\nSo I didn't bring it up.\nYou didn't want to worry me?\nI didn't want to worry you and I didn't want any­\nbody on the ground to start hollering about it.\nYou should have written me a note.\nI did feel that this was exactly what it was-­\n~Q~~ftE)EN:rJAL­"
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   "n": 38,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p38.jpg",
   "text": "30\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthat it was adapter batteries. That was the only\nabnormal type of indication we had in the systems.\nThey were all real good.\nWell, we had good communications with the ground\nduring powered flight.\nWe had pretty good communications.\nI called the\n\"Roll Program\", and nobody answered me.\nI said,\n\"Well , to heck with it, maybe they just aren't\nge t;ti.ng through.\" Then I was just starting to\ncall Roll Program complete when Gus called and\nsaid,\"Did you get the Roll Program?\"\nNow that was\nthe only transmission I made that wasn't acknow­\nledged.\nYes, I heard you calling, too.\nSo , if they lost communications it must have been\nright at the 10-seconds t i me , and it should have\nbeen for l ess than 10 seconds. It couldn't have\nbeen for more than 20 seconds.\nI heard the count­\ndown to lift-off and I heard Gus call and ask me\nif I had the Roll Program started .\nThis was a\nlittle bit less t han 20 seconds-- around 18 or 19\nseconds.\nThat is the only period of time I\ndidn' t hear anybody I should have heard.\nSo , if\nwe lost communications, that was where it was."
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   "n": 39,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p39.jpg",
   "text": "31\n2.18 Acceleration\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n2. 19\nSECO\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWell we got up to 7 1/2 g's. The acceleration\nwasn ' t bad at all. I guess when you are really\ninterested in what you are doing like on the boost\nor reentry, those g's don't mean anything.\nI\ndon't like to ride the centrifuge. 7 1/2 g's is\n7 1/2 g's on the centrifuge, but on the booster-­\nMy vision was crystal clear.\nMe, too .\nI wasn't even breathing hard.\nI wasn ' t\nhuffing or :pui'fing or anything.\nI was just laying\n<there relaxed .\nParticularly on this one, The acceleration burn\nduring powered flight and insertion was very light .\nSECO occurred as it should have on my clock.\nEd\nthought it ~s about--what did you say it was?\nI thought it was a second or so early and it\nconcerned me because that meant we were going to\nhave to burn.\nSo I was quite expecting to hear\na big 6V come up from the ground.\nThere is no\nquestion on that SECO either. It shuts off and\nyou get that linear straight deceleration.\nThe thing that surprised me was that we weren ' t\ntalking about it at all.\nWe were just going as\n, CONFID·EN\"TtAt"
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   "n": 40,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p40.jpg",
   "text": "32\nWhite\n2.20 Steering\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nstraight as an arrow when that thing shut off.\nThere weren't any oscillations or roll.\nI was getting a sinusoidal oscillation on my rate\nneedles , and I don ' t know now whether it was\npitch and yaw.\nI cal l ed it out a t the time , to\nyou a:nyway, Eli .\nRight.\nAnd my attitude arrows were- ­\nYour attitude arrows were right on? Okay.\nBut I\nwas getting an oscillation, very small, about\nplus or minus a quarter degree in rates .\nNot so\nthat the needle was actually moving back and forth\nacross the dots. It was pretty obvious that it\nwas.\nNow, I sort of felt that I could feel that\nmovement a littl e bit, like this , but not annoy­\ningly and certainly the stabilization was holding\ni t close enough.\nBut it wasn ' t that the rate\nneedles were just constantly oscillating back and\nforth. It seems to me it was in pitch but I'm not\nreally sure .\nA booster pitch,\nThe attitude error needles were the only deviation we\nhad at any time.\nYaw was just about nominal all\nthe time.\nWe had the pitch deviation at guidance\ninitiate. It went to full scale and steered right\n• COt~Ft0ENflAL"
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   "n": 41,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p41.jpg",
   "text": "33\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nback in, and also right at the end we had, in\npitch, a little bit of a pitch-down needle indi­\ncation which increased to no more than about a\ndegree at booster shutdown.\nYou got about a degree,then,on shut down?\nJust about a degree.\nYes.\nI kept glancing over to see how you were\ndoing,\nThey were always right near the center for\nme.\nYeah.\nRight near the end they trailed do,.m just\na little bit.\nI 'd be interested to see what the\nground thought on this.\nYes. You'll have to go over and look.\nI'm sure\nthey have them.\n€6Nft[:)ENTI.AL"
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   "n": 42,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p42.jpg",
   "text": "34\n3,1\nPost- SECO\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n3.0 INSERTION\nYes .\nThere was a Post-SECO.\nIn the period be­\ntween SEX:!O and SECO + 20 seconds, I unstowed the\nmaneuver controller.\nI don ' t know where our\nattitudes were.\nThey were the same as they were\na t SEX::O, and it was about 20 degrees pitch-down,\nwasn ' t it? The rates during this period were on\nthe order of less than a half a degree/second.\nWe really had a period of from SECO to SECO + 30.\nSo, duri ng this time I actually fired the trans­\nlations thrusters at least two times in one axis\nto kill off the rate in t hat axis, and I think it\nwas probably the booster yaw or spacecraft pitch\nwhere I act ually fired the U,rusters once or\ntwice to bring the rates back. It might have\nbeen the other way around.\nBut, we didn't jetti­\nson the fairings then.\nI did unstow the maneuver\ncontroller and the attitude was the booster burn­\nout attitude and the rates were very low, less\nthan a half a degr ee/second.\nI\nthink we\nmentioned prior to this\ntime the feeling that we came off a little half­\n(Q~~IQFNTIAL"
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   "n": 43,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p43.jpg",
   "text": "35\n3. 2\nSECO + 20 Seconds\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncocked off the\nsecond stage.\nWe were going to $ay on the booster until SECO +\n30 instead of SECO + 20.\nAt 20 seconds the IVI ' s\nstarted displaying and I read them off as 20 for­\nward, 11 right, and 5 down.\nRight ,\nThis was when we were still in the 90 degree bank\nposition. Is that correct? Or was it after I\nhad rolled right-side-up?\nIt was after you had rolled right-side-up.\nOkay.\nWell, then the IVI's displayed when we were\nstill on our side.\nIt seems to me they were\nabout 25 feet/second forward , and some other\nnumbers, but anyway they were low enough where I\nfelt we were certainly in orbit.\nAt least the\nIGS was telling us we were in orbit. During this\ntime, as I said earlier, I tried to damp the\nspacecraft rates, the spacecraft booster rates\nwhich were quite low.\nI checked to see that the\nOAMS Power Switch was in ATTITUDE and MANEUVER ,\nand to see that Eli had switched over to DIRECT.\nI told him I was going to do some thrusting but\nI wasn't going to separate yet, so that when he\n€ 0 ~~ FfDENT.I.Al"
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   "n": 44,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p44.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n~EIDENJl»,t\nheard the thrusters go off he wouldn't push the\nSPACECRAFT SEP.\nThen we did separate the space­\ncraft with\nthe ·exact\nroutine we practiced in the\nsimulator.\nI said, \"Thrusting, separate\", and you\npunched the SEPARATE button and I guess you went\nto Rate Command.\nI thrusted straight ahead for\nabout five seconds.\nThis is where I think we\ncame off crooked.\nThis is the part Ed was men­\ntioning before.\nWe didn't seem to come off\nstraight ahead.\nWe seemed to be getting some\nsort of an oscillation that got us going in a dif­\nferent direction than what we had going on the\nbooster.\nIt seemed,, like one side of the separation plane\ncame off with more force than the other.\nYes.\nThat's what it seemed like to me.\nIt separated at a bit of an angle.\nThat's right.\nWe didn't separate fore and aft;\nwe separated with a lot of rotation to this side.\nYes.\nAir-ground communications were all right.\nWe were\ntalking to them and they were talking to us.\nI\nnever had any problem there.\nShortly thereafter they called up and told us we\ni C&MFfEiEM IIAL"
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   "n": 45,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p45.jpg",
   "text": "37\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCO~ ◄ FIDEt><tTIAL\nhad a 153 by 57 orbit.\nSo, they were talking to\nus.\nI don't think I ought to read off this stuff\nnow, but they gave us the 2-1 data and all the\nnominal data we were supposed to get. It came out\nfine.\nSay again what the IVI's were while we rolled\nright-side-up.\nRight .\nAt the position we decided on taking our\nIVI readings, which was heads up in a zero-zero\nattitude, you read off the IVI's to me as 20 for­\nward, 11 right, and 5 down.\nOkay.\nThen I didn't bother nulling the pitch -·\nneedle because we were really pressed for time to\nget around.\nNo velocity correction was called up to us and\nsince we had no velocity correction, and we were\nfairly busy at this time, I didn't even read out\nthe 52 or 70.\nI wasn't particularly interested\nin them. It ' s a funny thing though--52 was\npunched in and had: been read out and it showed 30.\nIt had been punched in so it read out, you see, as\nsoon as something came in the quantity.\nSo,\ndid have a readout.\nI read out 30.\nI remember\nlooking at that.\nI"
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   "n": 46,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p46.jpg",
   "text": "38\n~O ► ~flDENTI~\n3. 3 Insertion Activities\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI\nI\nI thrusted and got off the booster.\nThen I went\nahead for just a short time, and then I started\nto turn around right away.\nDuring the turn-around,\nI jettisoned the fairings.\nThey went off with a\nbang.\nI could see the fairing over the horizon\nscanner go, but I never did see the fairing off\nthe nose go.\nI just assumed that it went.\nWe\nwere already in just a mass of debris up there,\nbecause when we se:p3,rated from the booster there\nwas stuff all over.\nAll over. It really flew by to the side of the\nspacecraft.\nYes. It was all over the place.\nAs we.were\nturning around it looked like we were going\nthrough a snow storm.\nThere was stuff all over.\nFinally we got turned around, in about a minute\nand a half, and we could see the booster there.\nThere ' s one thing I would certainly like to see\nsomebody do--I'd have give my right arm to have\nhad a camera when I turned around and saw tbe\nbooster.\nI ' d like to see somebody carry a camera\nin a semi-•stowed position so he could immediately\nget it out and come around and take pictures of\n•CO ►~FIDE~~TIAL"
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   "n": 47,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p47.jpg",
   "text": "39\nMcDivitt\nthe booster. Either the camera, or better yet a\n16 mm camera with a normal lens on it .\nJust tuck\nit to the side of your leg.\nIf I had thought\nabout it I think this is what I would have done-­\njust connected the camera, tucked it by my leg,\nand taken pictures of the booster at this time.\nI think, Ed, this is probably one of those philo­\nsophical things.\nOn the first orbit you've got to\nsave to prepare to come back in case you have a\nbad spacecraft.\nYou 've got to be ready to reen­\nter during the first orbit . Tuis is the kind of\nbind we found ourselves in up there. During the\nfirst orbit we really had a lot to get ready for\nhalfway through the second orbit, but on the other\nhand we had to be in good enough shape so we could\nreenter it at 2-1. Now, we didn't have anything\nto go wrong so there wasn't any problem, but I\nthink when you first get into orbit you're in a\nproblem. This kind of a thing, I think, is a\nproblem you may have later on.\nYou've got to be\nready to eject at lift-off plus one second, and\nyou don't want to be sitting there holding a\ncamera or something like that. Both your hands\nare busy.\nBut like you said we could stow it\n~ONFtDf1'tliAt"
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   "n": 48,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p48.jpg",
   "text": "40\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n3omewhere.\nI think you could.\nYou could stow it beside you\nin the seat .\nI think we over- emphasize the neces­\nsity, particularly for ejection, of having to have\neverything stowed when you are only ejecting up to\n12 000 feet and at very slow speeds.\nWe certainly\nhave a heck of a lot more working against us in\nour airplanes we ' re flying around.\nThat's right .\nI agree with you.\nI ' m just saying\nthis philosophy of being completely prepared to\nreenter during that first orbit is in conflict\nwith doing this kind of stuff in the first orbit,\ntoo.\nWe ought to get some of this, though.\nI think we\nare missing things .\nI would have really-­\nYes, I think so.\nWe could have really had some\nbeautiful pictures of that booster when we were\nclose to it.\nI also want to comment a little bit on the booster\nitsel f .\nI looked as closely as I could at the\nnozzle skirt and the aft end of the booster, and\nI saw no damage whatsoever.\nNo, neither did I from our vantage point .\nAs far as I could see the nozzle skirt was com­\n,COI>~11;) El>fftAL"
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   "n": 49,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p49.jpg",
   "text": "41\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\npletely intact. There was nothing wrong.\nOkay.\nLet ' s try to follow this insertion activi­\nties list here .\nI jettisoned the fairings , as I\nsaid, as soon as I started turning around.\nThen\nEd went through the checklist for us.\nAfter I\nfired the fairings I turned off the BIA Switch and\nthe retro rockets when he called.\nI was probably\ndoing this before Ed called, wasn ' t I?\nWe did things just like we had been doing them on\nthe simulator.\nWe don't just take a checklist\nand run down it item for item because there ' re\nthings you have to be doing , and it just doesn ' t\ngo in a sequence like that .\nI realized this was\nthe way it was going to go, and I actually took a\npencil and checked items off. If you did an item\nI checked it off, and if you didn't I left it un­\nchecked and we got it later. You just can' t ex­\npect to run down the checklist item for item because\nyou ' re not ready to unstow your life vest or to\nget up out of your seat belt. You don't do that\nfor some time.\nI think the logic on the check­\nlist we have here is a very good sequence--.\nWe reviewed that checklist 50 times. That's\n00tq ftf)ENftA-t­"
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   "n": 50,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p50.jpg",
   "text": "42\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncor<tFIDENTIAt\nprobably the fiftieth checklist we ' ve got there,\nand I don ' t think i t could have been arranged any\nbetter for the two of us .\nI knew Jim wasn't going to undo his seat belt har­\nness and I knew I was going to have to because I\nhad to do certain things that he didn ' t have to .\nThe point that I ' m making is that the checklist\ndoesn ' t have to be accomplished item for item,\ncompletely done in numerical sequence.\nOkay.\nI thi nk we ' ll revert back to the exact\nsubject of 3,3 now.\nSafetying the switches .\nI\nsaftied the swi t ches--the BIA Squib Switch and\nthe four Retro Rocket Squibs Switches. I tested\nthe sequential l i ghts, but at a later time because\nI was involved in turning the spacecraft around.\nBut X did test them.\nAs far as stowage, I stowed\nmy left arm restraint and my D- ring, but I did\nnot put my saf ety pin in.\nI went through and put my arm rest down , put my\nsafety pin in.\nThat was one of the first things\nI did.\nI might comment that I never did put my safety pin\nin.\nI never put the safety pin in the D- ring.\nI\nfelt the D- ring cover was adequate, and it was .\nco ► ~fiilQ lil)l:rlsA<JL"
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   "n": 51,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p51.jpg",
   "text": "43\nWhite\nI know, you never have been particularl y too hot\non that.\nMcDi vitt\nNoo\nWhite\nThen I went ahead and disconnected myself.\nI had\na lot of things I had to squirm around and do.\nI\nleft my life vest on as we had planned to do , then\ntake them off leisurely at a different time.\nI did\nnot find any reason to put the drogue pins in. I\ndon't think they are satisfactory in any way.\nI\ndon' t think the pin itself is sati sfactory, and I\ndon ' t think the location or type of holes are\nsatisfactory. I will elaborate on them a little\nfurther.\nWe have had aircraft around for a long\ntime and we have learned a lot about saf ety pins .\nWe have come up with some pretty good designs on\nsafety pins.\nWe have a design on our drogue pin\nright now which is no more than the very first\ntype of safety pin that I saw on an aircraft. I\nthink that we are past the point where we should\nbe starting right out at the beginning.\nWe ought\nto put a properly designed safety pin in there\nthat you can insert a little easier into the holes.\nI ' m not going to try to design the pin but I think\nthat it should have some type of shaft on it that\nr€0NFll}ENftl(L ­"
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   "n": 52,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p52.jpg",
   "text": "44\nMcDivitt\n-E OI'~FI DE~ITIAL\nyou can use to stabilize the pin when you insert\nit. And when I say the holes through which you\ninsert the pins are unsatisfactory, I 'm referring\nto holes through a cylindr i cal shaft that is\nhollow inside so t hat you not only have t o find\nthe hole to put it in on one side, but you have\nto work it around and find the hole that it goes\nthrough on the other side. I don ' t believe that's\nsatisfactory.\nI don't think the opening into the\nhole is supposed to be beveled and they weren 't\nbeveled on my seat and they weren't beveled on\nJim ' s seat , either. I t hink a beveled hole is a\nhole that is bigger on the outside than it is on\nthe inside. I don' t believe there is much dif­\nference between the outside and the inside of the\nholes for the drogue pins. I had a difficult\ntime putting my own in. I put Jim's pins in. It\ntook me awhile, but I put them in. I never did\nget one of mine in satisfactorily at this time ,\nso I think we should do something better with\nthe drogue pins. In addition I couldn' t even see\nthe hole.\nYou had an easier time putting my pin in t han you\nhad putt ing your own pin in.\nGO~~FIDEl>ITIAL"
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   "n": 53,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p53.jpg",
   "text": "45\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n.-CQ~qfl9tNTIAL\nThat' s correct.\nI could put yours in fairly easy.\nThat's right .\nI think that when you turn towards\nthe center of the spacecraft , you end up with more\nroom than if you turned to the outside.\nYou can' t\nsee a thing if you are turning toward the outside.\nThis is probably covered later, but my hose lengths\nwere not long enough to permit me to turn all the\nway around ,\nI knew this when we went through\nWeight and Balance.\nI knew my hoses were not\nlong enough but it was too late, as far as I was\nconcerned, t o change them at that ti~ .\nBut, I\ncouldn't see the holes on my side to insert the\ndrogue pin. I couldn' t see the holes for your\ndrogue pin either, but I could get a better view\nof them over there so I knew approximately where\nt o put the pin,\nI think in all respects the drogue\npins are not satisfactory. You just can't see\nthem; the pins are incorrect, the holes are in­\ncorrect, and I think we can certainly do better\nwith them.\nI think what Ed is saying is that it 's lousy.\nThat's right. In two letter words, it stinks !\nThis is the way the batteries were reading out\nwhen I checked them at insertion. And this is what\nCO ► 4FIDE~~rft\"AI:"
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   "n": 54,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p54.jpg",
   "text": "€O ►~FIDEt4Tl~L\nI had suspected they were doing when we launched-­\nwhy we had unbal anced stack readings.\n1-A read\n6\namps, 1-B read 10 , 1-C read 11. This accounts\nfor your high reading on Stack 1.\n2-A\nwas\n6,\n2-B was 6, , and 2-C was 6. . Ttis was the way\nthey were reading.\nI ran through a check on them\nwhen we were actually in the booster phase.\nSo\nthat is why I felt the reading wasn ' t bad.\nThey\nwere both reading about 23 1/2 or 24 volts .\nThey\nlooked pretty good.\nI got my 2-1 update.\nI got the t:N of 167, 6T of\n3+35, and GMT to retro command of 14 48 34. I have\nthe other times too. The time to 400 000 was 2+18,\nas read up to me and the time to reverse bank\nangle was 8+47. This is what we wrote down .\nThis is one time I remember now when I was a little\nirritated, because they gave times to us in a\nmanner in which I hadn 't wanted them toe They\nwere supposed to give elapsed time but they gave\nit to us in GMT time for our retro. We had asked\nthem to give it to us in elapsed, They came right\nback up and gave it to us both ways.\nI remember\nwriting it down twice, on the elapsed time of\n01 32 35.\nI can see why they did it because it"
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   "n": 55,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p55.jpg",
   "text": "47\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCONFtf>E~ftAi.\nwas two minutes past\none hour 30 minutes, and I\nguess they weren't sure exactly what we wanted.\nSo they gave it to us in GMT and elapsed time\nalso .\nBut that is the information we received,\nas far as our 2-1 area was concerned.\nI think Ed had better cover unstowage.\nI didn't\nunstow anything.\nI was just trying to stick with\nthe booster at that time.\nThe first thing I got into was my right-hand\nstowage compartment and I unstowed the blood\npressure bulb. Then I started into the center\nsection to get at the camera.\nThe first thing I\nwanted to get out was the Hasselblad and the 16 mm.\nI was dying to get a picture of that booster.\nSo ,\nI unstowed the Hasselblad and got a good back on\nit and the 16 mm camera.\nI didn't unstow the\nurine nozzle as the flight plan had called.\nWe\nboth had decided we were going to use our launch­\nday urine bags as long as we could, and we had\nhoped to use them right through the ENA.\nAs it\nturned out, we did. That was about all I unstowed\nat this time.\nI unstowed the cameras, the blood\npressure bulb and also got out the film cartridges\nand the tape cartridges.\nI put them on the side\nCONFIDENTIAb"
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   "n": 56,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p56.jpg",
   "text": "48\nCOt'4FI0EN-l+M.\nof the foot well , where I planned to keep them,\nso that we could keep a good tape cartridge\navailable."
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   "n": 57,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p57.jpg",
   "text": "49\nMcDivitt\n---G0NF-40 ENTIA L_,\n4.0 ORBITAL FLIGHT\nI think that the orbital flight should be broken\ndown into some very distinct sequences .\nI think\nthere are really three of these.\nThe first one\nis about the first three or four orbi ts where we\nwere trying to stay with the booster, where we di d\nthe FNA and where we finally got back in.\nThe\ntime that we finally got the spacecraft depressur­\nized ends one phase of the mission.\nThe next\nphase or sequence of the things that come along\nis really the second phase.\nThis is the middle\n50 orbits or so, where we did the experiments and\nwhere we did the flight plan in a highly modified\nmanner.\nWe did the flight plan we started out to\ndo .\nAnd the last phase or series of sequences\nwas the ~et ro-preparation , retrofire and the\nreentry.\nThe retro-preparation was actually\nanother distinct phase of the mission.\nI think\nthat we ought to divide it up into those three\nphases-- the station-keeping and FNA as Stage 1,\ngeneral orbit as Stage 2, and retro-preparation\nand reentry as Stage 3.\nSo I think we should\nCONFID ~~:rtAl"
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   "n": 58,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p58.jpg",
   "text": "50\n4. 1 Station-Keeping\nMcDivitt\n~-IE>ENTIAL­\nstart in the orbital flight with the station­\nkeeping on the booster.\nI think that we should\njust pluck that thing out and follow it through in\nits entirety, and then come back and pick up these\nthings like the thrusters , Control :fode Checks ,\nCom Checks , and those things.\nThe station-keeping with the booster--Well, as I\nsaid earlier on the insertion phase , I started\nturning around as soon as I completed the forward\nthrusting.\nI jettisoned the nose fairings after\nabout 30 or 40 degrees of yaw.\nI rolled right­\nside-up and then I started yawing around to the\nleft.\nWe saw all kinds of debris floating around\nand we finally saw the booster back behind us. It\nwas already in a peculiar attitude.\nAs Ed men­\ntioned , when we separated from the booster, it\ndidn·• t really feel like we came off straight ahead.\nIt seemed like we got knocked off to the side of\nthe thing.\nThe spacecraft-booster combination\nsort of bent in half at the separation plane.\nWe\nyawed on around and saw the booster, and I thought\nit was around 400 feet back.\nEli thought it was\na little closer.\n-€0·NFIDE~L"
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   "n": 59,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p59.jpg",
   "text": "51\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n£.ONfll)ENTIAf\nI would estimate it at between 200 and 250 feet.\nOkay.\nWe were in pretty good shape right then\nand I applied about five or six seconds of\nthrusting that should have come out around\n5~\nfeet/second .\nI was in a hurry trying to get our\nseparation velocity stopped, so I was thrusting.\nI had it in Rate Command .\nI pointed the space­\ncraft at the booster and started thrusting, and\nby the time I got the computer in the Catch- Up\nMode and the Start Comp button on, I had already\nthrusted ' 2 or\n3 -~ feet/second out and I\ncounted up another · 3\nfeet/second on the IVI's.\nIt looked like we were probably stopped, although\nI couldn't tell tlBt quickly.\nI knew I had as\nmuch f::.V\nin there as I had at separation, and\npossibly a little more, because I tried to hold\nthe separation f::.V\ndown to no more than\n•5\nfeet/second.\nWe watched it for just a short time\nand then it was obvious that we hadn't stopped our\nseparation velocity--our relative velocity--so we\nwere still separating.\nSo , I applied about ano­\nther •• 3\nor • 4 feet/second, which should have\nmore than overcome the :4\nor · 5\nfeet/second\nI put in initially. It looked like we had stopped\n.CO NFlD-E-~IlAL"
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   "n": 60,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p60.jpg",
   "text": "52\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthen.\nOur relative velocity looked like it went\nto zero.\nHere, I thought, we were out around\n500 or 600 feet.\nF.d thought we were: probably in\ncloser than that.\nYes.\nI thought we were in a little closer.\nI put in a total of around· 9\nfeet/second in\nthe first minute and a half after we turned\naround .\nI think we commented together on the speed with\nwhich the booster was going away ~om us .\nRight\noff the bat it looked like it wa.s- -it surprised\nme that it actually looked like it separated ·rrom\nus as fast as it really-­\nIt looked like it had a lot more velocity than\nthe\n4 or 5\nJ feet/second I added at t he\nseparation.\nIt looked to me , as an off- the- top- of:.\nmy-head-guess , that something in the spacecraft\nseparation thing had really built up a lot of\nrelative velocity between the booster and the\nspacecraft.\nI don't know why or how.\nAl so , it\nlooked like we weren ' t\ninplane anymore. It was\nactually out-of-plane so that we had an out- of­\nplane relative velocity that I took out .\nI\npointed at the booster because , obviously, if\n--EONffOfNTt~t."
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   "n": 61,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p61.jpg",
   "text": "53\n€0NftDEM11:At~\nyou're separating away from something, whichever\nway you ' re going, if you point at the thing and\nif you t hrust in that direction you are to take\nout your relative velocity in all planes .\nSo , it\nlooked like the thing was off to the left or to the\nsouth of our orbital track by a couple hundred\nfeet and it was going down rapidly.\nLosing\naltitude. After I thrusted this second time, I\nknew I had more than enough velocity, much more\nthan I needed to kill off the\n5 feet/second\nwe'd added .\nI watched it and it looked like it\nwasn ' t going away from us anymore. It looked like\nour relative velocities had stopped.\nI wanted to ··\nget the platform alined somewhat in case we did\nhave---to come down in the 2~1.\nWe really hadn't\nhad much chance to check over the spacecraft yet.\nSo I quickly went to as close to zero-zero- zero\nas I could get .\nI used the zero yaw and the zero\nroll off the ball and I went to a pitch att i tude\nthat looked like it was about zero and tried to\nget the ball to aline to zero-zero- zero.\nAt that\ntime the booster was mostly behind us--mostly\nback toward the Cape from us--back behind us with\nrespect to our velocity back there. It iwas in the"
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   "n": 62,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p62.jpg",
   "text": "--\n54\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n<coNFU)1:l'tllA.b­\nwindow and I could see it. Well, I started\nalining the platform and left it there for a\ncouple of minutes .\nThe booster started falling\nagain, descending below us.\nIt actually went\nout of my view in the window.\nAt the time\nthough our relative velocities were quite small,\nso I felt I could let it go for another 30 seconds\nor a minute and not have it ge~~r away__!rom\n...=\n------­\nme .\nIt looked like it was coming toward me again ,\nbut going below.\nSo , I allowed myself about\nanother minute and I pi tched down and looked for\nit. It appeared that during that minute it had\ngone a lot farther down than I had expected it to\ngo .\nYes , I was surprised.\nRemember that it looked like\nthe orbit was sure something different than we\npredicted.\nYes. It looked to me like the booster and the\nspacecraft weren't in anything that even resem­\nbled the same orbit, at the rate it was descending.\nI don ' t know what the range rate was at that time.\nIt looked like it was a lot more than a foot/\nsecond, though.\nI don ' t know what it was.\nI\nquickly pitched back up to zero-zero-zero and\nC.ONF~DE~:r.lAL"
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   "n": 63,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p63.jpg",
   "text": "55\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ns tayed there for about another ten or fifteen\nseconds and went to Orbit Rate,\nI knew I didn ' t\nhave a good alinement on the platform but I knew\nI couldn ' t stay there any longer and have the\nbooster anywhere nea r us .\nSo, I flipped around\nand pitched right straight down and here's where\nthe problems started,\nTo get down to the booster\nin a long rendezvous type maneuver, what I should\nhave done was to jus t stay horizontal and fire\nretrograde and take some total velocity out of the\nspacecraft.\nBut , when you do this the booster\ncontinues to pull away from you for a whil e , and\nthen eventually you are going to drop down below\nit .\nThen you are going to be in a l ower-altitude\norbit and you are going to pick up and catchup\nwith the booster.\nWell, with the station-keeping\nwe had to do and the fact that the darkness was\nonly a matter of another few minutes-­\nBoy it was fas t !\nIt wasn ' t any time a t all.\nI didn ' t have time to\nplay a rendezvous\ngame with it,\nI had to over­\ncome this relative velocity we had with sort of\nbrute force , so I thrusted right at the booster\nagain.\nI got going down and I used about 5\n\"CO t'-' FIO~NT+Al."
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   "n": 64,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p64.jpg",
   "text": "56\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n\\ McDivitt\nI\nfeet/second there.\nHere ' s where the numbers get\na little vague.\nI thrusted down at it and I\nwatched it go for awhile.\nI thought sure we 'd\nstart closing on it again.\nWe weren't closing,\nso I thrusted down on it again.\nI must have done\nthis probably three or four times. I can't say\nexactly.\nI don ' t remember, precisely, how many times you\nthri1sted.\nI was keeping my eyes on the booster.\nAnd i t was a lot t ougher to see when it was down\nwith the ground as a background, I t hought, than\nwith the sky as a background.\nDuring this period\nof t i me its rotational velocity picked up con­\nsiderably, and during this time Fd checked it and\ngot eight seconds for a complete revolution.\nA complete revolution.\nYes.\nThis was an estimate.\nThis meant that in the first three minutes after\nwe were in orbit the thing had gone up to a rota­\ntional rate of 40 to 50 degrees/second.\nIt seemed\nto stabilize at that rate. Its rotational rates\nstabilized but I don ' t believe its rotational\nmode ever stabilized. It didn't rotate in a plane\nas I thought a loµg body like that would rotate.\nIt seemed to oscillate in just a random\ntumbling\n-CE7~1DENTIAL"
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   "n": 65,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p65.jpg",
   "text": "57\nfashion.\nIt was all over. It looked to me like i t\nwas rotating in three axes in a completely unpro­\ngrarnmed manner. It might have been that the roll\nnozzle was flopping around and the fuel was turn­\ning it around in different directions.\nAnd as a\nmatter of fact, at this time we should go back and\ndraw a picture of what the fuel looked like and\nwhat was coming out of the nozzle.\nThe booster\nwas tumbling and you could see the fuel squirting\nout of the roll nozzle in a big fan like this. I\nhad the impression that if the booster were per­\nfectly stationary, the fuel would have been coming\nout of the nozzle in a great big cone the way you\nwould expect it to, but because the booster was\ntumbling so rapidly it was coming out in a long,\ntwisted- - l ike a horn of plenty.\nIt was very ob­\nvious; you could see it, and ther e wssn ' t any doubt\nabout the fact that there was a lot of fuel coming\nout .\nWhether this was contributing some thrust to\nit or not I don't know.\nWhite\nI want to comment on something that was quite an\nexperience for me.\nWhen I called out to you, I\nwas looking down at what I thought , since it was\npitch black, was the sky.\nI could see little\ncet-4PIDfNT~AL"
  },
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   "n": 66,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p66.jpg",
   "text": "58\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n~Ptt>fNT-l;4h\nsparkles everywhere.\nAnd it looked like almost\na starlit sky, but it just didn't quite look\nright to me ; it looked like an artificial star­\nlit sky.\nIt looked like some of these star dis­\nplays they have created for us .\nAnd I looked\nover at Jim and asked him if he was seeing this\nand about the same time I noticed that he had\nnothing but dayl ight out his window.\nThis was\nthe first time that I had the daylight-dark\nexperience of one guy looking into pitch black\nnight and the other guy looking into a complete\ndaylight window over there.\nJim remarked rather\ndisgustedly to me, \"We are pointed straight at the\nground!\" About the same time I realized I was\nlooking out at the fire flies everybody had seen,\nbut probably in a much more profuse quantity than\nhad ever been seen before, because we were getting\nall this fuel that was vaporizing into many, many\nparticles from the booster and a little bit of a\ncontribution from the spacecraft also.\nAnd we were thrusting, too.\nI 'm sure we had all\nthat junk on it from our launch.\nThat ' s right .\nAnd the whole area out in front of\nmy view was just entirely taken up with these\nCONFIOENft-AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 67,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p67.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nlittle par t icles , and this was at sunset .\nAs the\nflight progressed, each time we had a particle or\na group of particles such as a urine dump r ight\nat sunset or sunrise, the sun would pick these\nparticles up and they would act just like littl e\nmagnifying glasses and make very bright spots.\nThis is exactly what happened.\nDid you ever see\nthat then? I think you were more in the daylight\nside.\nNo.\nI was on the daylight side.\nI didn't see\nwhat you were talking about.\nIt was really something.\nThe whole sky within my\nview was covered with these little particles- ­\nthousands of them.\nThere was obviously a great\ndeal of that stuff in the air all around.\nAs soon as we got turned around I could see trat t he\nlights were flashing on the booster, and Ed saw\nthem , too. It was pretty apparent .\nI call ed out\nr i ght away to the gruund that the lights were\nworking.\nI don't know if they understood what I\nwas talking about or not.\nI also called out\nshortly after we came off the booster and we saw\nit,that it didn't look like we were going to be\nable to touch it .. because of the high rotational"
  },
  {
   "n": 68,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p68.jpg",
   "text": "60\nCO·N·F~DENTIM\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nrates that we already had.\nWe were into darkness\nby the time that we got turned around, and I had\nthrusted just two or three times at the booster.\nWe were still quite far above it--I would guess\nnow on the order of 2000 feet or more and it was\nstill dropping away from us rapidly; I had already\nused about 25 or 30 feet/second to get toward the\nbooster.\nI knew I had to catch it during the\nnight time because when we came out of the dark­\nness on the next pass, we had to be next to it ,\nbecause we were supposed to take some photos of it\naround that time .\nSo I thrusted some more right\nat the booster trying to just overcome orbital\nmechanics with brute force. It was too late to\nstart playing fancy games with the orbital mechan­\nics.\nFinally, I got us down to what I considered\na good position, and this was prior to Carnarvon,\nI believe.\nRemember when we finally got it on\nthe horizon?\nIt looked like it had finally stopped.\nThe relative velocity had finally stopped.\nAnd\nlet me now make a general comment about what I\nthought of the lights on it.\nWe had two lights on\nthe booster that flashed and they were diametrically\nCO~Fl0E~TtAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 69,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p69.jpg",
   "text": "61\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n€01~FtDcNfJA~\nopposed on the center of the booster .\nAnd when\nthe booster was in such a manner that I could see\nboth of the lights, I could tell relative rates\nand I had an idea of how far away I was.\nDid you\nfind this to be true too, Ed , or not?\nWell , I can' t honestly say I was looking at it\nwith that feeling.\nOkay.\nWell, what I am saying is that it was\ndifficult-­\nI want to hear what you are going to say.\nI 'm\nnot sure what you ' re saying yet,\nIt was difficult to tell how far I was away from\nit , at best , but when I had the booster in such a\nposition that I could see both lights at the same\ntime , I could tell by the distance between the\nlights whether I was close or far.\nOkay.\nI agree with that.\nAnd when I could see these lights flashing over a\nperiod of time , I could tell whether the distance\nbetween them was getting larger or smaller so that\nI knew i f I was closing or not .\nUnfortunately,\nbecause the booster was tumbling in this scre,ry\nmanner, I couldn't maneuver around ~he booster\nbecause it was tumbling so fast ; I was just trying\nCONFtDENftt\\L"
  },
  {
   "n": 70,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p70.jpg",
   "text": "62\nto get close to it and not even maneuver--not to\npick specific positions .\nAll I wanted to do was\njust get close enough so I wouldn ' t lose it. When\nI could see these two lights, I had a pretty good\nimpression of whether I was closing or opening;\nfor a long part of the early part of the mission\nin the night time it looked like we were holding\nour own, and then we finally started closing with\nit .\nI finally worked it down where we were at\nthe same level ,\nAll this time I had been above\nthe booster.\nI worked dovm until I was at the same\naltitude with it; at least it was on the horizon.\nI felt that by then I had gotten the thing under\ncontrol and we stood a pretty good chance of still\ncoming out on the daylight side with the booster.\nI can't tell you what the range was. It looked\nto me like I had worked the range back dovm (it\nhad been opening up as· we went into darkness)-­\nto 2000 or 3000 feet again--probably around 2000\nfeet . It might even have been as low as 1000 feet .\nIt could have been lower than that .\nAt one time I\ngot the impression that we were quite close to it .\nWhite\nYes.\nYou were wondering whether you should retro­\ngrade away from it .\n6ONFt01:M\"flAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 71,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p71.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nIt looked to me like we could have gotten as close\nas 200 feet .\nIt was extremely difficult to tell\nhow close we were. What's your guees , Ed? Just\npick a number.\nI wouldn't say that close.\nI 'd say you ' re more in\nthe ball park in the neighborhood of 700 to 1000\nfeet.\nOkay.\nYou could be magnitudes off.\nBefore we got to Carnarvon, I remember, we were in\nreasonably good shape, because I had finally\ngotten down to the booster.\nI felt if I could\njust keep it down near the booster we would be all\nright .\nThen it looked to me l ike we were closing\nrather rapidly. So I thought we were going to get\nnext to it and then we were going to be all right.\n'I'he reason I felt this was because I could see the\ntwo lights. It must have been rotating in such a\nmanner that I could see the two lights.\nAlmost\nevery fifth or tenth time they blinked I could see\nthem.\nI could see two of them.\nSo I knew by the\ndistance that we were in quite close and everything\nlooked pretty good then.\nAnd then for a long,\nlong, long period of time after that I never"
  },
  {
   "n": 72,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p72.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nsaw two lights again.\nI don ' t lmow if you did or\nnot .\nI kept looking and there was a single light\nand a single light and a single light, and I\ndidn't lmow where I was with respect to the boos­\nter.\nAnd then I started getting the impression\nwithout really seeing the double lights , I guess,\nthat it was going away very rapidly.\nMaybe I did\nsee two lights and I just don' t remember it now.\nMy impression was that the light was getting\nfainter .\nI think that must have been it.\nI think that\nmust have been it. But all of a sudden I got the\nimpression that it was leaving me at a rapid rate .\nI\nIt wasn't that easy to see.\nDuring the few times\nthat the booster was up against the sky back-\nI ground it was easy to see , but when it was down\nagainst a ground background, it was very difficult\nto see . I think it was just before we got to Car­\nnarvon that I felt we were in good shape.\nAnd then\nas we passed Carnarvon , I remember calling I could\nsee the lights of the city.\nWell, during this\nperiod of time all of a sudden I thought it was\nstarting to pull away again.\nSo I started\nthrusting at it again. And I never really got the\n~itAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 73,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p73.jpg",
   "text": "65\nWhite\nMcEivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nEONftE>ENllAL..\ndouble blink of the lights for a l ong, long, long\ntime.\nAnd finally I thought I could see them\nblinking again, and they were almost a single\nlight this time since they were so far away.\nAnd\nthis occurred over a very short period of time.\nTRn minutes? Five minutes?\nYes .\nIs that right? Whatever you think, Ed.\nYes .\nI fully agree wit} you.\nSo then I said to Ed, \"I ~hink we are losing it .\"\nSo I started thrusting at it again. All of a\nsudden it was apparent that the thing wasn't as\nclose as it had been.\nSo we started thrusting\nat it.\nIn fact, that was one time you said we had lost it,\ndidn't you?\nI said I think we have lost it.\nI had it in\nsight.\nI didn't saj that I had lost sight of it.\nI thought you meant you had lost sight of it.\nNo.\nI still had it all the time.\nBut it wasn't getting any bigger.\nI didn't have e:n:y idea in the world where we were.\nAnd I still couldn't really tell. Finally, we\ncould see the sky starting to get a little gray\n~NflDENTb\\L"
  },
  {
   "n": 74,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p74.jpg",
   "text": "66\nGOt\\fPID Etft+AL\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nand I thought at least we were going to get to see\nwhere the thing was.\nAnd all of a sudden the\nbooster came out just like that, and you could\nsee it.\nThe lights disappeared and there was the\nbooster. It was ·2 or\n3\nmiles away, I'll bet .\nYou asked me there and I estimated 1 1/2 miles.\nSo, it had gotten that far away in such a short\ntime, and it was down .\nI think what really gave\nme the clue that we were losing it again was that\nI had it on the horizon and it had sta~ted going\ndown below us.\nRight. It looked like it was about 30 degrees\nbelow -­\nIt started going down again.\nAnd I could see it\nwas coming down below the horizon, so I knew that\nI wasn't right with it.\nBut I wasn't really sure\nhow far away I was so I did thrust a couple of\ntimes--a foot/second or so--to make sure I always\nhad a closing velocity with it.\nAnd finally I\ngot the thing down.\nIt was down so that when it\ncame out it wasn't directly below me ; it was out\nin front of me and down again.\nAnd like Eli said,\nI guess it was down about 30 degrees.\nWhite\nThat's what I ' d estimate."
  },
  {
   "n": 75,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p75.jpg",
   "text": "67\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nC-Ol<fFJ0ENT1Ai.\nWhen it came out of the night and we saw it out ('\"\nthere in the daylight- ­\nRight .\nI 'd estimate 30 degrees down.\nIt was above the horizon, just barely .\nOr was it\nabove the horizon?\nNo, it was below the horizon.\nI ' d say it wasn't more than ten or twelve degrees\nbelow the earth horizon, but below our local hori­\nzon. It was in the neighborhood of 30 degrees .\nIf you looked out level to what you would call\nlevel--but you lmow the horizon tilts away from\nyou , so- - .\nSo here again we were faced witr. the same kind of\nproblem- -to cater. up with the booster. _What I\nshould have done was to retrofire right then to\ndrop down , get a lower orbit, and come back up.\nBut we had to get to the booster right then or we\nweren ' t going to get to it, becauae we had the\nmission to take p~otographs of it across the\nStates .\nSo I thought if I could close with it at\n10 or 15 feet/second we could at least overcome\nour problem.\nSo I aimed behind it , so to speak,\nand down , and I thrusted that way trying to get\nenough closing velocity down and another one that\n-E9NFJDE~llA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 76,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p76.jpg",
   "text": "68\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\neo~~FtOENllAL\nwould bring us up to it at the same time; but most\nof the thrusting I did was down .\nThen we just\ndidn't gain on it .\nI started thrusting retro­\ngrade with my top thruster, but I was thrusting\nmore back and downward.\nI just absolutely could\nnot get down to the booster. It kept pulling\naway and pulling away until by the time we got\nto Hawaii .\nYou were putting a lot of 6V in there and we just\nweren't doing anything.\nWe just weren't making\nany headway.\nIt continued to pull away from us and it was\nfalling farther and farther below us until\nfinally-­\nYou put in about 40 feet/second to do something\nwith it and it hadn ' t changed a speck.\nBy the time we got to Hawaii I told them I thought\nwe were having difficulty doing it .\nk:J.yway, I\nhad decided by that time that if we were going to\ndo the mission at all, the only thing we could do\nwould be to leave the booster.\nThe fuel was\ndown to around 75 per cent on my 'gage and the\ngage kept going up and down, so it wasn't a\nheck of a lot of help.\nI had burned around 85 or\neor<IFIDE~~Tl:t\\L"
  },
  {
   "n": 77,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p77.jpg",
   "text": "90 feet/second .\nI had numbers in all three of the\nwindows, and of course since I was changing atti­\ntudes and thrusting in different directions those\nnumbers were going all over the place.\nSo I made\nup my mind then that i t looked like a hopeless task\nand that we had better stop this stuff or we were\ngoing to lose all the fuel for the whole mission.\nWe probably wouldn't be able to catch it, and we\nwouldn't be able to do what we were going to do.\nI think the only thing we could have done to save\nthe whole thing would nave been for us just to go\nforward on the local horizontal and retrograde a\nlarge amount on the order of 20 to 30 feet/second,\nfall down below the thing and catch it .an orbit\nor so later and actually perform rendezvous with\nit.\nBut because the flight plan was such that we\nhad to get all the EVA done in the first three\norbits , and because Chris and I had talked this\nover and decided the EVA was the more important\nof the two things , I felt t hat the best thing to\ndo woul d be to abandon trying to catch up with\nthe booster.\nWhite\nLet me interject something else, too.\nSee if you\nhad the same feeling.\nI had the feeling that the\n~QNFIDENT.IAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 78,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p78.jpg",
   "text": "70\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nbooster orbit had changed so much with respect to\nour orbit that if we really went down after it, it\nmight jeopardize our lifetime.\nHonestly, I was concerned about that too , because,\nremember, I called and asked what the heck our\norbit was right then.\nThe booster looked like it\nwas going down at such a rapid rate.\nBy the time\nwe got to the States I would guess it was\n5\nmiles below us at least.\nMy\nimpression was even more . I thought maybe it\nwasn't more a t the time but it was going more.\nfelt that if we really got back with tbe booster we\nmight have a pretty good orbit , but we would be\ndown in the neighborhood of 130 and this wasn ' t\nthe altitude we wanted to be, .,for. the six-day\nlifetime that we wanted.\nThe other thing that bothered me was that we were\ngoing toward perigee where we should have been\ncoming back together.\nAnd we weren't. We were\npulling away so fast that it wasn't even funny.\nFrankly, I just couldn't figure out what kind of\norbit the booster was in. It looked to me like ,\nif we were having trouble , the place where we\nshould have been the farthest from it was at Car-\nC.O f)J FID E~ttIAL\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 79,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p79.jpg",
   "text": "71\neo,~FtDENTIA'l\nnarvon.\nApogee should have been farthest apart .\nOur perigee should have been closest together.\nIt was almost opposite.\nWe were with it at\nCarnarvon, but we wer e way far away from it and\ngetting farther away from it as we crossed the\nUnited States , or Mexico, or wherever we came.\nI\nwasn' t looking out at the scenery; I was looking\nat the booster. It.was extremely difficul t to\nt rack across the water and as we got to the land\nit was almost an impossibility to track it , Here\nthe distance i s extremely difficult to judge.\nIt\nIt could have been anywhere from 5\nto 15 miles\ndirectly below us at this time.\nIf I had a range\nrate I could have told where I was all the time\nand with range rate I would have been able to\nrendezvous with it from a mile.\nI could have\ndone the things I lmew had to be done , rather than\ntry to do it .forcefully.\nI sort of feel the big\nproblem was that we were so optimistic for those\nfirst three orbits that it is almost unbelievable.\nIt became apparent when we tried to do the EVA\nthat we couldn' t do it in the t ime allotted.\nBut\nanyway,I had decided by the time we had gone by\nHawaii, or wherever it was after we had been in the\nC-eNFIDE-NTIAl"
  },
  {
   "n": 80,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p80.jpg",
   "text": "72\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ndaylight for ten minutes or so, that i t was hope­\nless, and I told that t o F.d .\nI told him I\nthought we had lost the booster for good.\nI\ndon ' t mean I didn ' t see i t but t hat we weren ' t\ngoing to get back down to it .\nHe agreed with me .\nYes.\nI think I could have gotten to the booster in a\ndignified , normal , slow, easy manner if we di dn ' t\nhave the constraint on us of being next to the\nbooster in the first daylight pass over the States,\nand taking pictures , prepare for the EVA , and be r eady\nto emerge from the spacecraft an hour after we\ncame out of the daylight on our first pass , which\nwas about two hours into the flight .\nI just felt\nthat if I had had more time, I could have gone\nahead and done some of this without using brute\nforce to overcome the difference between the\nbooster and myself.\nI could have gone into a\nl ower orbit and chased it t hat way.\nI could have\njust gone horizontal and r etrofired and fallen\naway from the thing initially and caught back up\nwith it l ater on, but it was getting so far away\nfrom us to start with that to purposely put your­\nself fart her away from it so that you could catch\neor'4FIDEMT+AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 81,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p81.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nJeG~-1DENT-IA~\n13\nup later on was not the thing to do.\nWe had to be\nall done at a certain time.\nWe had to be with the\nbooster when we came back into daylight.\nThat was\nit; that was the thing.\nWe had to be with the\nboost er, because we had to take those pictures .\nThen we had to be with the booster again an hour\nand a half after that so that we could do the EVA\nright next to it .\nAnd with those kinds of time\nconstraints you don ' t have time to perform a ren­\ndezvous.\nYou've got to get with it right then, but\nwe just couldn't get with it right then.\n\\\nYou know another thing too; I'm darned glad we\ndidn ' t use any 10 feet/second initially to sepa­\nrate with.\nI think we could have used something\nin the terms of 1 or ·2, feet/second and that\nwould have been fine.\nDon\"-' t you?\nI cut it short .\nI only burned about\n5 seconds,\nand I stopped.\nYou have been doing that in all your simulations\nso I knew you were going to do that.\nYou can even\ncut it less. It was amazing to me the separation\nyou get i mmediately.\nI t almost seemed like we had a posigrade rocket\non the spacecraft and a retrograde rocket on the\nGQ;NFt0ENllA~\n\\"
  },
  {
   "n": 82,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p82.jpg",
   "text": "74\nC.Qt~FIDEtfflAt'\nbooster, the way we separated . Well, anyway, we\ntold Guaymas that we had to get resolution i mme­\ndiately if they wanted us to continue to chase the\nbooster because we had used a lot of fuel and we\nweren ' t getting any closer and it was still\npulling away from us .\nIf they wanted to go for i t\nthey had to make up their minds and we would\nreally go after it.\nBut I didn ' t think it was\nwise.\nThey confimed this and said,'Knock it off!'\nFor cloeing rates at rendezvous, I think you could\nhandle 20 , 30 , 40 feet/second if you are coming\nat it , not if you are gomg away from it .\nYou\nsee we never got a chance to do a rendezvous .\nWe\nnever rendezvoused with it .\nThe best thing we\never did was to get close enough to it where I\ncould at least say I was at the same al titude with·\nit for a change. It was the fir st t ime I had\ngotten back to tee same altitude since we left it\nat insertion.\nYoo just can't equate it.\nYou\ndon't do an optical rendezvous with the booster\nbelow you.\nYou try to put it above you so you\nhave the stars and the sky background. It was\nbelow us .\nYou couldn't do any line· of· sight\nnulling because there wasn't anything to null the"
  },
  {
   "n": 83,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p83.jpg",
   "text": "•\n75\nH)EN=ttAL\nline of -sight w:ith .\nOn the other hand I found\nthat if the sun was on the window you couldn't see\nbeyond the nose of the spacecraft.\nThis satellite\nthat I saw over around Ha¼~ii--I saw the thing\nand we were closing on it.\nWe might have had a\nbetter rendezvous with it than with our own booster.\nWe were closing on it and I was concerned enough\nthat I checked to see where the a .c. Fower Switch\nwas to see if I had maneuver capability at the\ntime :\nThe • sun came across the window and I\nlost it just like that. It might have been 5·\nmiles out.\nI don't knov•. It might have been then.\nIt might have been 50 miles out, but I had the im­\npression in the 30 or 40 seconds I saw it that it\nwas quite close because I could make out the shape\nof it. Shoot!\nThe sun came across the window and\nthat was the last thing I saw out the window.\nI\nnever saw another thing out the window until we\nwere gone and until the sun finally came off the\nwindow.\nSo, if you are doing an optical r endez­\nvous and you've got the sun on the window, I don't\nknow what you'd do.\nWhite\nAnd if you have as dirty windows as we had-- our\nwindows had a white film of material on the\nGeNFIDENTIAt...."
  },
  {
   "n": 84,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p84.jpg",
   "text": "76\nCOt#iDENTl,c\\ I,,..\nMcDivitt\noutside\n, which made it very difficult to see out\nwhen the sun's rays reflected on these particles\nthat were on the outside of the windshield.\nTo just summarize this thing, I think that we\ncame off the booster with a fully unknown relative\nvelocity which was much greater than what we\nanticipated, and it didn't seem to be an inplane\nrelative velocity. It didn ' t seem to be an inplane\nlocal horizontal relative velocity. It was out-of­\nplane and it looked like the booster headed down ,\nwith respect to us because i t started separating\nfrom us so rapidly,\nI t al so had less total velo­\ncity.\nI think that this was the first sur­\nprise . It started tumbling and immediately the\nrates built up in just a· very few minutes to\nsomething very high--40 to 50 degrees/second-­\nbut it never got any higher, at least the best we\ncould tell.\nWhen we last saw it over Mexico or\nover southern United States it was still tumbling\nat about the same rate , I guess around 40 or 50\ndegrees/second.\nI felt tret I got down to it all\nright and I was in reasonably good shape prior to\nCarnarvon, and from that time on until we came out\nof the darkness I lost it , And I think I lost it"
  },
  {
   "n": 85,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p85.jpg",
   "text": "77\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n£0N·~ll;)ENTIAl­\nbecause looking at a single light at night doesn't\ngive you any depth perception at all.\nYou just\ndon't know where the booster is.\nI think that\nsummarizes it.\nEd, you want to add anything?\nYou\nweren't watching it as much as I was , but you saw\nenough of it to know exactly what was going on.\nWell, you see I wasn't able to put the pieces\nquite together because I was either looking out,\nand I couldn't see when you were thrusting, or I\nwas looking in and watching you when you were\nthrusting and listening and not looking out.\nI\ntried to interJect my thoughts as we went along\nand I agree with what you said.\nI don't believe\nI want to add anything else.\nNow that we've covered the tracking and the losing\nof the booster, I think we ought to go back to the\nvery beginning a t insertion and we will go through\nthe checks that we went through as we proceeded\nalong and the things that F,d and I were both doing\naside from tracking the booster, the things that we\nwere either doing to prepare to come back in at\narea 2-1 or t o stay in orbit and proceed with\nthe FNA as we had planned,\nIn looking over the\nfli ght plan that we had and the briefing guide on\n1tONf'IDENTIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 86,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p86.jpg",
   "text": "78\n\\\nWhite\nI\n~\nr:IcDivitt\npage six,I have already covered the things on\nplatform alinement.\nI did not have time to aline\nthe platform.\nI tried to get it to somewhere near\nthe local horizontal so that in case we had to do\na retrofire I ' d be able to do the Etrofire .\nI\nbrought the spacecraft up to a pitch attitude that\nI hoped was zero,but I never got the spacecraft\nalined to see that it was zero.\nSo we really went\ninto this thing without my ever having seen a zero\npitch attitude on the spacecraft .\nObviously\nI didn ' t get a chance to see the 30 degree pitch\ndown on the retrofire attitude.\nI didn't really\nhave time to look out the window and do a single\nthing that would have prepared us to reenter at\n2-1 because we were so busy keeping track of-­\nYou know another thing I ' d say also is that we\nwere eternally optimistic.\nWe felt we were going\nto aline the platform and watch the booster at the\nsame time.\nAs a matter of fact, while I was trying to get the\nalinement it became apparent to me that I could not\naline it. I even thrusted vertically-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 87,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p87.jpg",
   "text": "79\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI was in a horizontal position and I thrusted\ndown using my top thrusters, so that I would\ntry to keep the booster in my view.\nThrusting,\nchasing the booster, and alining the platform\nall at the same time--those are the kinds of\nthings you have to do.\nSo, I never did get the\nplatform alined.\nI did not have time.\nI got\nit somewhere near local horizontal .\nIf I was\nwithin pl us or minus 5 degrees in the axis, I\nthink I did a reasonably gooi job,\nThe\nThruster Control Mode Checks that took place at\n15 minutes I didn't do as such.\nI would just\nthr ow it into a different mode and thrust.\nI\njust did it with a catch~as~atch-can.\nI did\ncheck out the different modes.\nEverything seemed to be working.\nYou weren ' t\ngetting My thrusters that weren' t f iring, and\nyour modes all seemed to me to be working\npr operly.\nIt looked pretty good.\nI had one comment on the Co~munications System\nCheck.\nRemember we lost good communications\nwith No . 1 UHF and we switched to No . 2 and\nseemed to have good communications with it"
  },
  {
   "n": 88,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p88.jpg",
   "text": "80\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDtvitt\nfrom th~~1 on?\nNow this wasn ' t representative\nthat we lost UHF No . 1 beca1lse w0 used bo:h of\nthe sets at different tiJWS throughout the\nmj_ssion later 0:1 .\nBut at this particula:-:- time ,\nUHP 1 didn ' t give us good reception 13:1d we\nswit<~hed .\nI thought comm t\"li:-:at.i::ms through the fi1•-it :liv\nof the flight wi;re atrocious .\nThey were\nterrible .\nFinally we switcht~d to th•) .-~~en~ry\nSt ub Antenna and that seemed to fix L!w p:>oblern.\nI\nDidn t you thL1k so?\nBut you know we went back\nto reentry a n tenna, over Carna:::-vo:i one tine .\nWH got just as good r~cept i ::>:1 o.ff of it that\nti.me as we di.d any other ti-:ne .\nI remember when you were rnak i.ne- yo·.1r\nCornmuni catio:J.s Check.\nThat wa.1 ·.-.r1hm I was\nai:;leep.\nYou were ,;hecki :,1g the two and you\nend<id up with the r eentry antenna.\nYes , later on in the flight , as I said, at the\nend o.f the fi r.st d9-Y or :30.\nWe seemed t o get better communications .\nfact , I\nW'.:iS a little concerned that the\ncomm..micati.ons w1;re so lousy th~t W'; might h1we\nce~~FIDEl~T~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 89,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p89.jpg",
   "text": "81\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nto come back in, because we were really losing\ncommunic~tions.\nWe were trying HF and all kinds\nof things.\nInformation just wasn't getting\nup to us.\nThat was after EVA.\nRight.\nCommunications just weren ' t getting 11p\nto us.\nI figured we didn't have any communications\nwith the ground during EVA.\nNo, we didn' t . Our VOX blocked t hem out.\nI know it.\nBut the Communications Systems Check that was\nsupposed to be performed at 15 minutes-­\nwe sort of already accomplished the thing,\nbecause we 'd used UHF No. 1 and No. 2.\nI made the check with them.\nDid you make the check? -- that ' s right you made\nthe check but we didn ' t use the HF because we\nweren't going to put the antenna out until after\nEVA.\nWe didn ' t do anything with the urine\nbags except keep them right where they were.\nAt this time we didn't pressure check both\nsuits , because we did this later.\nWe didn ' t aline the platform, as I mentioned.\nC:0NFt0ENlt~ L"
  },
  {
   "n": 90,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p90.jpg",
   "text": "82\nGQ ~<IFIDEl>JT IA.L\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nThe Control Mode Check was a catch- as- catch­\ncan.\nYou did unstow, the equip~ent that we\nwere supposed to unstow.\nThe bl ood pressure\nbulb, the Hasselblad camera and its packs , a11d\na 16 mm camera.\nDuring this time when I was\nchasing the booster, I did manage to get to\nreach back behind my seat and pull out the\nbracket for the 16 mm camera.\nYou tracked the\nbooster while I smoothed the thi.ng out .\nThat\nI s right .\nWe didn ' t get out the urine nozzl e.\nHow about\nthe utility cord? Did you get out that fancy\nutility 0ord, the three- axis utility cord?\nYes, I knew where i t was.\nI didn't give it to\nyou beca~se you didn ' t need it .\nNo, I didn ' t need it .\nThat ' s right.\nAs Ed\nsaid, we did not pressure check our suits at 30\nminutes like we were supposed to.\nThere ' s this little thing here that says meas11re\nall LV~ .\nAll I did was put the co~puter in\nCatch- Up, hit the Start Comp button, and just\nl et the numbers fall where t hey would.\nAt the\ntime that we stopped chasing the booster around ,\nI had about 60 feet/ second in one window,\nC-O~ ◄ Ftf}EMTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 91,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p91.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n-€0Nf-U)ENT1Al\n03\n30 in another, and 30 in another.\nI never really\nea..11e to a positio:1. to try to ni1ll all these\nthings out to see what the total 6V was.\nI\nwas putting in the thrust with mostly the aft\nthrusters and the down-firing top thruster.\nI don't think I used the left and right thruster,\nat all.\nI don 1 t think I used the bottom\nthurster at all.\nThere was no difficulty\ncontrolling a~y of them.\nI used the forward­\nfiring thrusters once or twice to try to slow\ndow:i, to take out total velocity.\nThen there was the Accelero~eter Bias Check l\nwhich was another one of those things.\nI don't\nknow hon I let it get into the flight plan.\nWe both joked about that one, huh, Mac?\nWe\nwere really going to get an Accelerometer\nCheck when we were trying to track the booster.\nI was putting 16V ' s on the IVI 1s at a rate of a\nfoot per minute at least.\nWe ended up with over\na foot per minute, I think, over that period\nof time.\nWe couldn\nI t have checked anybody\n1 s\naccelerometer bias, so I just didn't even fool\naround with it.\nWe were supposed- to take a\nblood pressure.\nDid you take that blood\n~F.10ENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 92,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p92.jpg",
   "text": "84\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcD.ivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nOONFIDEN II.A:L\npressure , Ed?\nYes.\nYou did ta!<e the blood pressure.\nI think I did. I had it out .\nI don ' t know\nwhether they asked for it or not .\nOkay.\nI don\n1t remember on that .\nOkey.\nWe got the ~antity Read off.\nI guess\nwe got a t.ime hack so:newhere in there .\nThey called up I believe. I remember them calling\nthe Quantity Read- Off, and I turned it 0?~'.\nThat's right.\nThen it says at one hour we were supposed to\nW1stow and assemble the maneuvering unit in its\n16 m:n mount.\nI don ' t think we had that stuff\nout by then, did we?\nNo.\nYou see, this whole flight plan was based on me\nbeing able to track the booster witho~t using\nany thrust , a~d essentially having the space­\ncraft stationary near the booster, without\nany maneuvering at all, where the station­\nkeeping was a matter of just looking out at the\nthing and co:1.trolling your attitude with pulse."
  },
  {
   "n": 93,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p93.jpg",
   "text": "85\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWe thought that if the booster was stationar~\nwe could get in close to it .\nWe could\nessentially fly a formation by it with mo~e\na:titude co:1trol than translation control ,\nwhich l eft me then free to help F.d assemble all\nthis stuff for the EV~.\nWell, it turned out that\nI didn ' t dare take my eyes off the booster for\nhalf a second.\nSo all tne things that we were\nsupposed to do together up until the t ime we\nf inally said goodby to the booster, Ed had to\naccomplish himB11lf.\nI was completely unable to\nhelp him.\nThe only thing I ma.~aged to do was\nto unstow the 16 lllDl camera bracket and put the\n16 mm camera on.\nI ~ouldn' t quite get at that one.\nNo .\nI could nardly get to it.\nSo we w~re\nprobably behind at the hour mark.\nRight?\nYes .\nNot by an awful lo~.\nI knew we had a probl em with the booster, and I\nwas more concerned with our problem with the\nbooster t han getting the gun and stuff o:it\nthen.\nI felt that they w~re both tied together\nand once w~ l ost t he booster we didn ' t have a\nEONFIDEN:f.lAt\""
  },
  {
   "n": 94,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p94.jpg",
   "text": ".\n86\nMcDivHt\nW\"nite\nMcDivi t t\nW!1ite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nsweat time-wise on making o:1r EVA.\nSo , I was\ntrying to be of what assistance I could to Jim\non watching the booster during these first\n..\ncritical periods.\nYes. It wasn ' t unappreciated because this\nbooster was becoming a speck on the horizon, and\nif you blinked your eyes you co:1ld very well lose\nthn dar.r1 thi\"lg .\nWhen wa were out that seconi day, I think you\nsaid one tiine you did. lose it for a minute.\nTha~' s right.\nI was lucky enough to still be seeing it , un~il\nyo0.i started picking it up again.\nThat ' s r.·I.ght .\nSo, I'm saying it really took\nt ~o pairs of eyes constantly looking at that\nbooster to keep it in sight. It's juAt one of\nthose thingH that just took so much time thkt\nwe hadn ' t planned on.\nIt was almost unbelievable.\nIn o:.ir flight plan from an ho:.ir to at1 hour and\ntwenty minutes we don't really show a'.1.ything.\nAlthough, here again, we were busy with the\nbooster.\nSo, when we got l:l.1'.'0und to closing with\nthe boost~r, there wasn't any closing.\nWe\nfinally got clearance over the United States to stop\nL"
  },
  {
   "n": 95,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p95.jpg",
   "text": "McDivltt\n~Ot~R0ENrtAf~\ns1\nfooling with the booster.\nI think this was ·.t.n\nextremely wise dP.cisioo.\nI got to Guaymas and I said the booster was\npull ing aw,zy from us.\nWe ' d already used abo~t\n100\n6.V to stay with it, and I r ecommended\nthat w~ just give up on it.\nWe had to get a\ndeeision imm,0idiatel y because I couldn ' t stay\nwith it and 11ot use f\\1el at the same t Lme .\nThey\ncame back from Texas.\nI talked to Guaymas and\ngot their confirmation from Texas, which was\nonly a \"Tlatter o.f a couple of m'i.nutes, saying\nleave the booster.\nTh9.t was about the only\nthing tney could 3ay.\nWnite\nMcDivitt\nAnd this was the time I went after the gun.\nOkay.\nAt th9.t time we reve.rted fror:i station­\nkeeping, which we were both attempting to do\nto EVA preparation, which we both had to do .\nI\nThats when Ed went after the gun, and we\nst8J'.'ted our ...,c,.;pa::at.i.0.11.\nWe wc-::-do ' t .rea1 ly\nfar bt-~h..:.nd llt this time.\nAll WH had to do was\nget the gun out and get the m!'l.neuvering unit.\nThe cameras we·c(: already out.\nYou had the\nZeiss too , didn ' t yo~?\n-E0NFIDENTJAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 96,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p96.jpg",
   "text": "88\nWhite\nMcDiv\"at t\nWhite\nMcD:ivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nYes.\nThe Zeiss came out with the Hasselblq,d ,\nfrom that S3Jlle package as the movie ca:nera.\nAnd the storagf~ certainly wan :i l ::>t easier.\nWhat do you think?\nTbat ' s right .\nParticularly getti~g it out that center thing.\nYou can just zip :hem o:.it of there with no\nprobl1Jra ;lt all.\nSo, a~ about 1: 30 we started to assHmble the\ngun.\nIf you look at the checklist, yo:.i see\nthat we probably gcit the gun assembled :Ln\nnothbg na.t.\nIt 1s no problt:im to assemble the gun .\nWe started our eg:-ess preparations essentially\non time.\nAs a mattHr df fact , I think we evtm\ngot star ted a little earlier.\nThen, we weren ' t worrying abo-;.1t anythi11g else .\nThen, we w:ren\nI t worrying abo·J.\"!; staying with\nthe booster.\nWe probably started it abo~t 1:35\nor 1: 40.\nOver the States we started our ~gress\npreparat io~.\nWe went to our .Jther checklist.\nYou were o,•er Ascension , calling off the check­\nlist.\nI sta::ted reading the checklist off to Ed and\nCOl>IFJBEN+iN."
  },
  {
   "n": 97,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p97.jpg",
   "text": "89\nEO·MFIDENTIA't:­\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDiv.i.tt\nwe w1:nt through it .\nHe unntowed evet'ything.\nWhy don ' t you tell them what you did there, Ed?\nI just read the checklist off to you, and you\nwent a.head and riid i.t.\nOkey.\nI had to get bar.k .i.11\":o the r\"ight -h.md\nbox, and I un:=i tow0d the item:, there .\nThe\nfirst time I went back in there , I took the\nfirs t items out, and I did :1ot unstow the full\nbox.\nI rem,~mher I told you,\nII It\nI s all comi.r1g\nout , Jim.\nI ' m gol11g to bring them all out on\nthe 19.11yard. \"\nRemember?\nRight .\nWe'd tak~ them o~f piece by piece if we need it.\nAt that tim,1 I pill lfld the wh0l,'! lanyard out and\nthe cockpit was full of little bags. I was qu.ite\nhappy that they had prevailed upon me to put\na lanyard on all this equipment.\nI had thought\nat one time that it woulri be mvt'd desiri-:l,bl~ not\nto p,1t a lanya.rcl on .\nWe 'd been wo:::-k.ing a lot\nin our sim11lations without the lanyard and it\nseemed pretty easy.\nBut looking at it now, I\nhighly recom..n~nd that eve r-ybody k,-lep that stuff\non a l anyard .\nWe would have r eally had a mess if we 'd had all\n-€0NFl0ENflAt· -­"
  },
  {
   "n": 98,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p98.jpg",
   "text": "90\nWnito\nMcDivltt\nWhi t e\nMcDivitt\nthose thitJ.gs floating ar.ound. It was bad\neno~gh as it was.\nYes , eight or ten of those little bags, and I\nwas glad they were all tied Jn to Jne string.\nI could control them in t hat manner.\nThey were\nquite simple to U'lsn3.p.\nI thought the snap\nattachmP-nt made it p:::-etty easy to UtJ.stow, and\nselectively pick o~t the items that I wa~ ted .\nI unstowed the pouches that I needed, and then\nwe g,)t ready to tak~ the long um'J ilical out .\nh'ld a little difficulty.\nIt toJk m~ about\nthree trys to get it out .\nIt ' s f airly big\npackage to come through a small hole. It was a\ngood thing th~t we had tak~n the Velcro off of\nthe batch, beoause t here was no tendency for\nany th i. ng to hang up as w,~ remewed it .\nOn the\nthird try I got it out .\nI thought yo~ did an extremely good jJb getting\nthe bag ou~.\nYou got it out a l ot quicker than\nTC'ai.nec in Houston or in the simlll ator at the\nCape.\nYou didn ' t know it .\nIt took m.1 th:::-ee tr.rs.\nWall , maybe it did , but it sure l:,okH1i like it\nCQtqffDfNTtAtl\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 99,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p99.jpg",
   "text": "91\nWhite\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWaite\nC~Ptl)E~TIAL\ncamP. out a lot eaf-Jier.\nI thought you got it out\nin a big hurry.\nI didn ' t notice that it took\nyo:J. three trys.\nI saw you stat't, and then jllst\na f-Jhort t.i.m,1 la7-er, it was out .\nWell , it d:id come out pretty easy, and I think\nthe storage was .satisfactory, bllt I 'd\ncertainly reco1nm,1ricl thA.t noth.i \"lg b ~) on ';ht1\noutside to k~ep it from coming vllt. It's a\nreal tough-­\nYes, we need the velcro off of there.\nWe ' re\npretty wd1 sure of tha-~.\nThe reGt of the ::iquipm•:111';-\nthe \"y\" con:1ectors,\nthe bag thA.t contained the \"y\" connectors, and\nthe attachments for the chest pack, I handed\nto yot1.\nI thi'lk you wi;c~ k:➔ep.L ,1g tra,)k of most\nof those things 1mtil the time I needed them.\nYes, I was.\nThe storage of the ventilation module froc:i the\nfioor came off pr~tty easily.\nThat ' s when 1\nstarted goi!'lg ahead ;md putting it all on.\nYou\nread the checklist off to me.\nI had gone\nahead. and done a few things anyhow.\nAs you\nread them off I checkP.d them off to be sllre\nthat I had done them all.\nI think we h-':l.d\n4€0NflDENTIAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 100,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p100.jpg",
   "text": "92\nI\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncor ◄ FIE>f~IAL\neverything out without m~ch problem at all.\nthink it took •ls longer actually to p1lt it\nall together..\nThat ' s right .\nIt did.\nWe started going\nthrough the checklist here and putting the\nthings on and W'3 started getting more and more\nrushed.\nWe were supposed to star.t the E[,rress\nPreparation Checklist at abo:it 1:44.\nWe\nprobsbly sta::-ted it at about 1:35 or so.\nWe\nstarted it about 10 minutes early, roughly ,\nmaybe five to 10 min1tes early.\nWe were\nsupposed to be ready to start the depressu r.a7,a­\ntion at 2: 30 over Carnarvvn .\nI think I could h.3,ve gone through ari:i l1ook2d\nev8.rything all up , but I felt that we should\ngo -:hc:-ough fairly close to the p~ocedure w1; had\nset up on the checklist.\nThat\nI s r igh t .\nI think this slowed us down .\nWell, we set tht, procedure up so tha~ when we\nfinished wlth it, it would be right.\nI think\nthis helter- sk8lter thing that we were being\nforced into was for the birds.\nSo an Ne g0t\nfarther al:mg, it beca;n,~ .:i.ppar,mt to nt, that\neot~Ftl:>ENll-AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 101,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p101.jpg",
   "text": "93\n~IDENf ~kl111\nWhite\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivlH\nthe thing to do wo~ld be to stop.\nRight .\nGo aht-,acl with the assembly of the stuff.\nWhy\nd-:m\n1 t you cor.1:nP.n~ on that?\nI I ve co;::rnt'.!nted in my Self Debr: ~efing aboc1t th,?\nequipment and the assembly of it .\nI thought\nthec-e was no d-i.fficulty at all in conrn-,cti 1g\nthe \"y\" connectord, the hoses, anj the chest\npack.\nI thought the connection of th•e chest\npack to 11\\Y harness was a good o~e.\nWith the\nvelcro I could m•,we it in and -:)Ut wheneve.c I\nwaa~ed to s:) that I could mak~ '!\\}' connec tiorrn\non the i,il,?t side of the ECS hoses .\nIt w.mt\nalong pretty smoothl y , as a matter of fact .\nthink as we progressed along in it though , we\nfelt tha~; we hA.Cl r3ve.cythi'.'.lg d,me .\nI didn\nI t\nrea.11.y feel that; w: hail 13verything done 1,n a\nthorough manner .\nAnd I think yo'J. had that sarnr~\nfeel i.ng.\nThat ' s right .\nWnen W8 got to Kan:) or Tana1.,;1.r·Lve\n- ~I th::nk it was TananR:-'l. ve--I cal'led whoever\nI was talking to and sai<l that we were :rLl.Ilfl.i.ng\nlate and I thought that we would probably not\ndo the EVA on thi.s particular .cev.\nI krtew thn,t\n• CONFIDENl~At\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 102,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p102.jpg",
   "text": "94\nWh::.t':l\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nl:,okl~d to 1:1,? l i.kc~ we had ,il 1. the stuff hookr.d\nup , but Wf; hl3.dn\nI t really had a chance to check\nit .\nI also noticed , Ed , that you W':re gr~tting\nthis whol ~ thing off .\nSo I tol d them over\nTananar.ive- -I believe it was Tan~n~rive- -that\ndP.pressurize at the ne xt station .\nWe went on\nahead and it looked to me like yo~ were all\nhooked up and 9.bo11t ready to g';) except for. <me\nthing.\nW,~ for.got tht1 thi~rm.-.11 glOV':~ .\nI d i.i not have\nmy ther.,n.-tl. gloves on.\nYou did not have the the::-m.,l gloves oa , which\nis aor t of insigaif icant , but we hadn ' t really\nsure that l t wa.~ l.n t\"le ri.gh\":; sp-:,t .\nw,~l l , we talked a~d yo:.1 said , \"~9.t d,:, you\nthink?\"\nWe talked it over:- and I had the same\nfeeling. I though\":: it sur.e wo~lld oe sm,1.rt if we\nhad abo11t W rni'lntes to just; sit her~ r,➔ al still\n€eNft0EN=J:l-AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 103,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p103.jpg",
   "text": "95\nCONFIDE~il~l-\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit9\nMcDivitt\nbefoce we go out .\nI think w~ w·are in a situation w~ere it would\nprobably hava gone all right .\nWe hr-ui cor:ipl,3ted\nhai rlo:w as far as the check.i.'lg w~nt , and I\njuat di:in\n1 t feel th'3.t we were i11 the right\nshape .\nEd didn't think we were , and besides ,\ncould see Bd.\nHe coul,ln\nI t see himself.\n~d\nlook'.-!d a.wf0.1lly hot , s.rvl h;? l:iokt~d like he wa:1\ngetting a little pooped out from playl ng c1..-:-01md\nwith that big suit .\nI tho~ght that the best\nthing for his sake , e.nd I kn~w h~~ ·t1oul<'l.n ' t\nad.mi-'.; i.t , wa~, to l13t him r~st up for anot'1er\no.cb i. t .\nI\nagree that\nwas\nthe best judgment.\nSo , when w~ go-t to ~arnarvon--I g,1ess it was\nCarnarvon--I called them A.'ld sa.:i.n r,m wc-Jra not\ngoi:1g !;o co □c out on tha:': or':>:.t .\nIt wa,, Carr1arv0n.\nIt was just before we\nSo , we postponed it until the next orbit.\nAs a\nmatter of fact , after that w~ j1rnt sat ther::!.\nWe d idri I t dn a thi-ig for abor.1: 10 mi.nutes .\nI\nlet Ed cool off a li.ttle bit .\nWe were on two-\nEON~l(;)ENTIAL\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 104,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p104.jpg",
   "text": "96\nfa'1 o;>eration ,q,-: the time.\nWe j·.1st sat there\nand we were cooled o.!'f.\nWe went ~o,x1.d for\nWhite\nOkey.\nThe.n as w~ wr:n '; back around , I asked yo,J.\nto go thro:;.gh the checklist ag-'3.in , a\"'.ln. ·,m wen';\nthrough item by item this time .\nMcDivltt\nWhL te\nMcDivitt\nWo.ite\nbi.11-:k to the beg-Lrming checkl i.st , the EgL·ess\nPrepa':.'ati:>n Checklist .\nWe started at the\ntop 0111; , and we dU. every step on it again .\nWe verified every s tep to make s1u·e ,rn hr-tdn' t\nleft an;rthi--ig out .\nWe actually went in ~d check8d t his time .\nAnother thi ng ,m ha<ii'i' t r eally positively\ncheck9d was the positio11 of all the locks on all\nof the hose i.n~e ts and o•J.t.l,~ts .\nThis time ·,,e\nac tually chi,ck~d .<J.11 those lock~d .\nAl 1 of them\nW<:'t'e locked in , but it was a good t hing to do,\nI believe .\nYou want to rnakA sure .\nWe di:i do ou:r Suit\nh-tegi.'ity Check hefor,~ we started all this stuff.\nThat ' s rigbt .\nWe started before we actually went\nto the unstowing of the stuff from the right-\nhand af t food bo:x.\nWe went to the S:1it\nGOr~Fl0EN-ltAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 105,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p105.jpg",
   "text": "97\neo~+F-10-EN.TJAL\nMcD:ivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nIt1 ~2gt'-i. ty Check.\nWell , I don ' t know 'tihere it is , but we did it\nwhen we were s111)posed to d·::> it .\nWe did the .&lit I ntegrity heck befo:ce we\nstarted the .Egt•ess Pr~paration 0he.-;klist .\nThat ' s when ·,.e did it , over the States.\nI think we d-Ld thA.t just about the t .ime you\ndecided to give up on the booster.\nWe di1 the\nSuit\nIn~egTi.t;y Check.\nBoth suits checkHd ::>ut\nall right . I t went up to 8.5 and it leaked\ndo~ to about 8 . 3 Qr som,,thing l i.kH that .\nSame thing with mine.\nIt went up to 8.5 and\nlaak1--?d down ju:1t a little bit.\nNot enough\nto ~e concerned about .\nNo.\nOh, one thing that we did do on that extra\norbit that w~ went around -- I discon_~ected the\n.0epress 0ystem 1ind we Wf.:mt back nn the-­\nOh , yes.\nWe never e ·.ren got on the .;·_epress\nsystem, di.d we?\nYes , I believe w•~ were , but then we turned it\noff.\nWe w~re already to depressurize and then\nwcj wimt back on the spacecraft ECS system, full,\nand ~ent through and reverified the whole\nchecklist again .\nThe onl y thi 1gs that I would\n(;6)N.f-lDENTIM\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 106,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p106.jpg",
   "text": ".\n98\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nsay we h~dn\nI t done to ffi3\" sati.sfacti.,_.,n t\"le fi.r;;t\ntime ,1as t:J check the inlet an<l 011tlet positions\nof the locks , and I didn ' t have my tho?rmal\ngloves on.\nIt turnAd out I didn ' t need them .\nAlso , d 1r.i11g this pe.clod of timr-i 1 R..l i.ned. tht,\npL1tfor1n, ;.rh.i.ch war. ~onpl ~tely in .i.s:i1 i.nP.d .\nIt\nw:.:1s probably alined within a c-:iuple d,=1g1.-ees ,\nbut as we went a-r.ou:'1d in Orbit Rate it g0t\nfarthP.C' anrt farther 0;1-'; of tol?r-:in.~e .\nSo , I\nm:uvv~d ·to a\n1.i.1e the pl-:i.tfo.rra.\nHere agllin , I\nm.i..ght com,1.mt on the fan t that ou:::- ini ti,9.l\nflight plan was so optimistic that it was\nalmoat unbelievable .\nThe both o~ ua wurk~d full\ntime :>n doing r10 tn; 'lg ex•)ept pc,~par.ine for EVA,\naJ1.11 we dldn ' t quite gHt thA job done .\nI ca11 ' t\nbelieve that we could ·'lA.ve poss ibly flown\nf o:-mation w:i. th the booster and taken pictures\nof it and all the other thi 'lgs t:i.at we had\nand even comH close to compl-?ting it .\nWell , the way we wo11ld h'3.ve had to do it, would\nhave been witho11t a checklist.\nI would h~va had\nto just go ahead :.md ~1:>ok c~verything •..p .\nI\nthink tl'J could 111-w-3 do,w it satisfact)rily l-i\nC~~ftDEN-l+AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 107,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p107.jpg",
   "text": "99\nEONfl0ENTIAL\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthis manner, but it wouldn ' t have been the way\nwe would have wanted it.\nYes, that ' s right .\nI don't think that ' s the\nway it should be done .\nIt was just too bad\nthat we had a time limit on it , but when we did\nget rid of the booster, or the booster no\nlonger became a part of the flight plan, then the\ntime limit vanished.\nWe found out that we\nreally needed that extra orbit, or probably could\nhave used another 20 minutes.\nYes.\nWe went back.\nAnd I remember as we came\nover Carnarvon, we had about a 15 minute chat\nback and forth- kind of a rest period.\nWe\nwere all hooked up at that time, and that ' s the\ntime we went on the ~epress flow, ready for the\ndepressurization.\nI think they gave us a GO\nthen for our EVA.\nThat ' s right .\nWe depressurized the cabin and\ngot down to 2 psi to check our blood pressure.\nWe tried to put our blood pressure plugs in\nthe blood pressure plug port and found out that\nwe didn't have any blood pressure plugs on\neither- suits.\nThis was quite a surpri se.\nAn\nunpleasant one, I might add.\nWell , we decided"
  },
  {
   "n": 108,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p108.jpg",
   "text": "100\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nthat from our past experience and our\nknowledge of the suit that even if we did\nspring a leak in the blood pressure cuff the\nsize hole that we had in the suit would not be\ncatastrophic , and we decided to go ahead with\nthe EVA.\nIt was within the·capability of the syst em we\nwere using.\nAt Carnarvon we not onl y got the go- ahead to\nstart the depressurazation, we also got the go-\nahead to open up the hatch , the go- ahead that\nwe weren ' t supposed to get until Hawaii.\nSo ,\nwe went ahead and did that .\n--._____ _\nYes.\nI ' m kind of curious of the whole time.\nWe\nwere out nearly an orbit , I think.\nWe didn ' t\nget it closed back again till we got back around\nto Carnarvon.\nWe were in a whole orbit depressurized.\nYes, I don ' t think people quite realize that .\nWe ' ll remind them.\nAs we got to the hatch\nopening thi ng, we had our first difficulties\nwith the hatch.\nThe gain gear, I guess you want\nto call it--actually I call it the ratchet­\ndidn' t want to engage into the UNLOCK position."
  },
  {
   "n": 109,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p109.jpg",
   "text": "101\nWe fooled with it a f ew times a~d it f inally\nengaged in the UID.iOCK position, and Ed was\nable to go ahead and start.\nWhite\nThe first indication of trouble was when I\nunstowed the handle to open the hatch.\nThe\nhandle freely moved up and dovm with no tension\non it at all.\nI knew right away where the\ntrouble was . It was up in that little spring\non the gain pawl.\nSo, I went up and manipulated\nit back and forth in hopes that I could break\nthe lubrication loose in the spring to get it\nto work.\nWe must have spent several minutes\nwith t he hatch.\nI thought perhaps it might\nhave been stuck in the manner that the hatch got\nstuck in the Wet M Ock, where it just was stuck.\nYou could ratchet it open, but the hatch itself\nwouldn ' t open. It was pretty apparent the trouble\nwas in the gain pawl .\nI jimmied it back and\nforth, and then I decided to go ahead and try\nthe technique of actuating it in sequence\nwith the hatch handle . If you actually replaced\nthe operation of the spring with mechanically\nmoving the gain pawl up and down, you can do\nthe same work that the spring does.\nEONFtDENTIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 110,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p110.jpg",
   "text": "102\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nYour fingers sort of take the place of the\nspring and drive this l ittle pawl home.\nThis is the first time we actually tried this\nin a suit.\nIt requires you to press up with\nyour left arm to get at the gain pawl, and at\nthe same time hold yourself down.\nAnd I think\nl ater on this was a source of some of our\nproblems which I brought out now so that we can\nfind out later on.\nI f el t it start to engage ,\nand start to ratchet the lugs out.\nJim also\nverified that they were coming open.\nI backed\nthem off , and I remember Jim saying \"Ooop ! Not\nso fast !\", and at that time it popped .\nThe\nhatch actually popped open, jumped open about\n3 or 4 inches.\nI was expecting the hatch t o come open with a\nbang.\nAlthough we had the cabin to vent and it\nhad bled on down to where there was nothing\nindicated on the Cabin Pressure Gage , we still\nreally had the repress valve on.\nHe was\nbleeding right into the spacecraft .\nWe never\ngot down to a vacuum and even though we had a\ncabin pressure of only a tenth of a psi , we\nspread it over t he entire area of that hatch,\nOONFl0E~TV\\L"
  },
  {
   "n": 111,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p111.jpg",
   "text": "103\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nand that puts a pretty good size force on it .\nI had a real tight hold on the hatch closing\ndevice , and when it popped open I was able to\nsnub it .\nIt didn ' t really open with much force , did it?\nWell, it did. It opened with a fair amount .\nIt\npopped and I couldn ' t stop it the first inch\nor so. Then, of course , as soon as it opened\nthat much pressure bled off.\nI just sort of\nsnubbed the thing to keep it from flying all\nthe way open.\nNow if I hadn ' t been holding onto\nit, I don ' t think it would have gone open more\nthan two or three feet .\nThis is another point too.\nThere ' s more force\non the hatch actuator than I thought.\nI didn ' t\njust flip the door open with my hand.\nI had to\nactually forcibly push it open, similar to the\nforce with which I opened the hatch laying on\nti\nII\nmy back under one g .\nThat ' s about the force\nthat I had to put on the hatch to open it .\nThis extra force that we are talking about is\ndue to the 0-rings they put in the pyres that\nare used for jettisoning the hatch.\nThis is\nsomething that they put in just before the\nEe-NFt0ENTIM."
  },
  {
   "n": 112,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p112.jpg",
   "text": "104\nWhite\nOO~~FK:>fN--TIAL\nflight .\nSomething that we 'd gone out to the\nspacecraft t o feel .\nWe knew just about what t he\nforce was , but it was pretty high.\nOkay.\nAt this time I had certain things that I\nhad to accomplish .\nI had to mount the camera\non the back of the adapter, and mount t he\numbilical guard on the edge of t he door . I\nelected, as I had pl anned , to go ahead and mount\nthe camera f irst and then the umbilical guard .\nI mounted the camera and it went on without too\nmuch difficulty.\nThe t hree little lugs on the\nbottom are a good mounting scheme.\nI think I\nwould make a littl e easier engaging device for\nworking out in a hard suit.\nI had familiarity\nwith it, and it did lock up there all right .\nThe umbilical guard for the umbilical on the\nside of the door took me a little longer to\nmount.\nBack to opening the hatch--I had the\nthermal gloves on when we were opening t he\nhatch, and because of the fine work I had to do\nwith the little gain and the drive lugs up\nthere, I had to remove the thermal gloves so\nthtt I could actually actuate those small\nl evers.\nI couldn ' t do them with any precision\nEOl'JFIDEN+JAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 113,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p113.jpg",
   "text": "105\nG()NFIE>ENTIAt\nwith my gloved hand .\nSo, I took the thermal\ngloves off at this time and I handed them to\nJim.\nWhen I got back out I didn't notice\nany temperature extremes.\nI felt quite confident\nthat there wouldn\nI t be any heat since we just\ncame out of the dark side, so I decided to do\nthe actual work in putting this equipment on\nwith my plain pressure suit gloves .\nI had much\nmore feel with them.\nLet me get back now to the\numbilical guard on the door.\nI t went on pretty\nwell. It took me a little longer and it took\nme four or five trys to get the little pin into\nthe hole that actually snubbed the guard down\non the door.\nI did something then that I\nhadn ' t planned to do.\nThe bag had floated up\nand out of the spacecraft and now it was above\nthe point where the hose was going through the\numbilical guard .\nI had planned to keep it down\ninside .\nI left it there for two reasons:\n(1)\nI figured it was there already and I would have\nhad to take the umbilical cord off again and\nscooted it back down , and (2) I also felt that\nJim might have had a better view if it wasn't\nsitting right in front of him on the hose coming\nCONflDENTIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 114,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p114.jpg",
   "text": "106\nMcDivitt\nup from th1~ r ~press v,1.lve.\nI elect ed to go ahead\nand leave the bag there.\nI t hen reported to\nJim that I had everything all mounted and was\nready to go.\nI had planned to take a short\nseries of pictures.\nSince we had gotten out\nearly, I had a little extra time at this time ,\nso I went ahead and turned the outside EVA\ncamera on.\nI took a short sequence of pictures\nthat actually gives the egress up out of the\nseat.\nI kind of went back down and came out\nagain so they would get an actual picture\nof it , and then I turned the camera off again.\nI mounted the camera and I turned it on while it\nwas on the mount.\nI took a short sequence when\nI asked Jim to hand me my l eft thermal glove ,\nwhich he did .\nI put the thermal glove on while\nthe camera was running.\nI t urned back around.\nI wanted to be sure the camera was off, so I\ntook it off the mount and I turned the camera\noff and actually visually took a look to see if\nthe switch was off.\nDid you lmock it off one time? I thought you\nsaid the camera f ell off.\nGO MF tf}ENftA L"
  },
  {
   "n": 115,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p115.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n€0tt<tFIDENTIA-6-\n107\nBy golly , I did.\nSo I must of mounted it four\ntimes.\nThat ' s right , I knocked it off one time\nduring this time when I was out there.\nI got\nthe picture of the egress, and then I asked you\nt o hand me the gun.\nAt this t ime the camera\nwasn ' t running.\nI had the glove on my l eft\nhand , and I went ahead and t ook the gun and made\nsure that it was ready to go.\nI had the\ncamer a on at that time and the val ve was on.\nI\nchecked the valve to be sure it was on and I\nwas essent iall y ready to go.\nI don ' t know how\nl ong this took, but it took me longer than I\nthought .\nWe had had early egress and it wasn ' t\ntoo much bef ore I got the GO t hat I was ready to\nleave the spacecraft .\nI ' m not sure whether we got that GO from\nHawaii or Guaymas.\nI sort of suspect that we\ngot that GO f r om Hawaii, not Guaymas as we had\noriginally planned .\nWell , it sure seemed short from the time I was\nmounting all that stuff out there to the time\nyou told me go.\nThat ' s right.\nI ' m sure we were talking to\nHawaii, and they said you' re clear to proceed\n-ee·NFI0EN1=·1Ab."
  },
  {
   "n": 116,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p116.jpg",
   "text": "108\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwith EVA.\nAnd that ' s when I went.\nI bet we went out at\nHawaii.\nI think we went out at Hawaii.\nI delayed from the time you gave just a minute,\nlong enough to actuate the camera on the\noutside.\nThis was kind of interesting.\nWhen I\nactuated that camera, I had D\\Y gun tied to my\narm with the tether. It floated freely to my\nright .\nI turned back around and turned the switch\nON on the camera, and listened and made sure\nthe thing was running.\nI knew it was running,\nand put it down.\nI think you'll see t his on\nthe film.\nI wanted to be sure it was running\nwhen I mounted it back there.\nI actually took\nit off and turned it on, and I remember it\njiggling up and down when I was trying to stick\nit on there.\nIt ought to be a funny looking\nfilm.\nAnd it might even show the gun floating\nbeside me as I was mounting it.\nThat ' s when\nyou said, \"Slow down.\nYou' re getting awfully\nhot . \"\nI was working pretty hard to get that\non.\nI mounted the camera again and this is\nwhere I tried to actually maneuver right out"
  },
  {
   "n": 117,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p117.jpg",
   "text": "109\nof the spacecraft.\nI knew right away as soon as\nI got u~I felt even before - - that the technique\nof holding on to the bar in the spacecraft and\nsticking a finger in the RCS thruster wasn ' t\ngoing to wor k.\nI mentioned that to Jim before -­\nthat I didn ' t think I would be able to do it .\nMcDivitt\nI think that you and I both knew how you were\ngoing to do, and ever-sbody else was planning for\nus how we were going to do it , but without any\nreal experience in it. People. who didn I t know\na lot about it were planning this sequence a~d\nit wasn ' t the way it should have been.\nWhite\nI couldn ' t have done that .\nI didn ' t have three\nhands.\nI couldn' t hold the gun and put a\nfinger in the RCS nozzle, and hold the handle\nat the same t.ime.\nI thought it would be more\nd~sira.bl:'; anyhow to actually depart the space­\ncraft with no ·.relocity, other than that imparted\nby the gun.\nThis is exactly what I did.\nI\nthought t hat I was free of the spacecraft , and\nI fired the gun.\nI real'i.zed that my legs were\nstill dragging a little bit on the side of the\nseat, so I pulled myself out until I could\nsee that my feet 1vere actual l'•' on!; 0f the"
  },
  {
   "n": 118,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p118.jpg",
   "text": "110\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivit t\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCSl>,lflQEDlllA I\nspacecraft.\nI think you called me and said I\nwas out of the spacecraft.\nI called and told you that you wer e cl,3n.r.\nThat ' s right.\nAnd that ' s when I started firing the gw:i a\"ld\nact~ally pr~pelled myself under the influence\nof the gun.\nI don ' t believe I gave any input\ninto the spacecraf\"t whm1 t 1,3ft that t Lne ,\ndid I?\nNo , you left as clea,1 as a whistle.\nLater on, I gave you some pretty big ones.\nYou were re~lly boun0ing arou~d then.\nNow at the tjme, J l ef t entirely under the\ninfluence of the gun avid it 0arried me right\nstraight oat, a little higher tha\"l I wanted\nto go.\nI wanted to ma:.~euver over to your side,\nbut I maneuv•;r~d out of the spacecraft and\nforward ru1d pBrhaps a little higher· than I\nwanted to be.\nWhen I got out; to whst I estimate\n•\nas p~obablyone-half or two-thirds the way out on the\ntether, I was out past the nose of ·t'ne\nspacec:::-clft .\nI started a yaw to the left with\nthe gun and that ' s when I reported th~t the\nI\ngun r 8al1J worked quite well. I believe that I"
  },
  {
   "n": 119,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p119.jpg",
   "text": "~ONFl01:~TtAT\n111\nstopped that yaw, and I started t .1.·a.nsla:b.• 1-\"'\nback toward the spacecraft .\nIt was either on\nthis translation or t~'1P. one following this that\nI got into a bit of a combination of a pi·tcl-i\nroll and the yaw together.\nI felt that I could\nhave corrected it , but I knew tha.t i.t ww.~d h av0\nta.-<e.'1 mor,-: f...i.el than I had wanted to expend with\nthe gun, so I gave a little tug Jn the tether\nand came back in.\nThis is the first experience\nI had with tether dynamics and it brought me\nright back to where I did not want to be.\nIt\nbrought me right ba~k on the top of the sp~ce­\ncraft, by the adapter section.\nJim was\ncalling me and said that I was out of his sight.\nI told him that I was all right , that I was up\nabove the spacecraft , I looked down and I could\nsee attitude thrusters firing, littl-~ white\npuffs out o~ each o~e.\nI wasn\nI t very close.\nThey looked just like what Chamberlain' s report\ntold us. It looked just like about a foot and\na half or maybe 2 feet of plume from the space­\ncraft and certainly didn I t look omin-.11H.~ to me\nat all.\nIn fact it looked kind of like the\nspacecraft was really alive and working down\n<;.eN·FtDENTfA-t,."
  },
  {
   "n": 120,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p120.jpg",
   "text": "112\nMcDivitt\nCDr ◄ FIDiNI IAJ..\nthere.\nI knew Jim was doing his job holding\nattitude for me .\nLet me comment on the attitude- holding right\nnow.\nInitially we started out in blunt-end­\nforward. banked to the left about 30 degrees or\nso.\nThis happened to be the attitude we were\nin.\nWe wanted to be bl u:~t- end- forward for the\nsun . and they told me it didn' t make any\ndifference what attitude that we were in when\nwe opened up the hatch.\nWe had originally\nplanned on opening the hatch toward the ground.\nI was CRlled by some station that said it didn't\nmake any difference what attitude I was in when\nI opened the hatch.\nWe opened\nthe hatch.\nWe\nopened it in that particular attitude, and I\nheld the attLtude for the f irst portion of the\ntime that Ed was out .\nWhen you had th\" gun you\nmanaged to stay reasonably well out in front .\nI held the sp~cecraft essentially stationary\nwith respect to the local horizontal.\nAfter\nyvJ. ran out of fuel in the gun yo'J. were on top\nof the spacecraft all of the tim~ .\nI felt that\nunless you really had to have the thing\nstablized, to maintain your S•?nse of balance or\nEO~~FIBf~TiAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 121,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p121.jpg",
   "text": "113\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nCO~◄ FH:>·EN'fl7'L\nwhatever you want to 8all it, I wouldn't fire\nthe thrusters.\nYou asked that already wnen I was out.\nYes.\nI asked you if you needed it and you said\nno.\nSo, then I felt it would be better not\nto fire the thrusters, because you were drifting\nback up over the co~kpit.\nI could see that you\nwere going up over us.\nI couldn' t see back\nbehind me , but I could see by the motions that\nyou had when you went by me that yuu were going\nto continue on .\nI felt th~t it would be a lot\nsafer if we just let the spacecraft drift\nunless it got into very high rates.\nI fired the\njets a couple of times just to bo~k ,:,.ft the\nrates.\nI let it start drifting when y0u got\non the tether so tha~ you wouldn\n1 t get back\nthere on top of one of those thrusters when I\nfired them.\nFrom abou-: the time? you ran out of\nfuel until you got back in I didn\n1t do mu-:::h\nattitude controlling.\nI did some.\nEverytime\nthe rates got up pretty high, I\n1d knock them\noff.\nYou were able to ma...~euver around the\nspacecraft when the spacecraft itself had rates\nof say plus or minus • 2 degrees/second in a\n<;9·M'FID ENTIAl"
  },
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   "n": 122,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p122.jpg",
   "text": "114\nWhite\ncouple of the axes at the same time.\nHere again\nbefore the flight we discussed the axis system.\nEd selected the spacecraft as his axis system.\nIt didn ' t a:;:>pear that he was having a bit of\ntrouble with i t .\nHe was maneuvaring with\nrespect to it , regar,lless of what the earth,\nsun , moon, a~d stars were doing.\nIt was\npretty ob\\·i,..,us to me th:l.t was exactly what he\nwas doing.\nWell, when I came back the firs t tims to ·~he\nspacecraft with the gu-:r-- I had used the tether\nto bring me back--I did go back up on the\nadapter area.\nThis is the first time it had\nhappened.\nI said , \"All right .\nI 'm ~omL'1g\nback out again.\" This is one of the most\nimpressive uses of the gun that I had .\nI\nstarted back out with that gun, and I decided\nthat I would fire a pretty good burst too .\nI\nstarted back out with that g.m , a.~d I literally\n•\nf lew with the gun right down along the edge of\nthe spacecraft , right out to the front o~ the\nnose, a..'1d out past the end of the nose.\nI then\nactually stopped myself with the gun.\nThat was\neasier than I thought .\nI must have been fairly\ntD~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 123,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p123.jpg",
   "text": "115\nfortunate , because I must have f ired it right\nthro..igh my CG.\nI stopped out there and , if my\nmemory serves me right , this is where I tried\na couple of yaw maneuvers .\nI tried a couple\nof yaw and a co:..1.ple of pitch maneuvers, and then\nI started firing the gun to come back in.\nI\nthink this was the time that the gun r an out.\nAnd I waa actually able to stop myself with it\nout there that second -';:irne too .\nThe longest\nfir ing time that I put on the gun was the one\nthat I used to start over the door s up by the\nadi=tpter section.\nI started back out then.\nI\nprobably fired it for a one second burst or\nsomething like that .\nI used small burst all the\ntime.\nYou could put a little burst in and the\nresponse was t r emendous .\nYou could start a\nslow yaw or a slow pitch. It seemed to be a\nrather efficient way to operate.\nI would have\nliked to have had a thre~ foot bottle out there-­\nthe bigger the better.\nIt w~s quite easy to\ncontrol .\nI f eel that with the gun there would\nbe no dif ficul ty in maneuvering back to t he a.ft\nend of the spacecr:eif+, and r.h;.s was exactly\nwhat I did later oi-1 , just on the tether.\nI got\nCO~ff)EN\"FIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 124,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p124.jpg",
   "text": "116\nl~\nCONEJDtNI-\nMcDivitt\nall the way back.\nSo, I ran ou~ of air with\nthe g~n ani I reported this to Jim.\nI didn ' t\nattempt to take al}Y p-Lotures while I was\naotually maneuvering with the gun.\nThe\ntechniq·.1e th;,.t I used with the gun W3.S tne\nte:.!h.aiq 1e ~hat we developed on the air- bearing\nplatform.\nI kept my left hand out to the side,\nand the gun as close to my cente::- of grcrrity\nas I could.\nI think l;hat the training I had ,)n\nthe air- bearing tables was very representative ,\nespecially in yaw and pitch.\nI felt quite\nconfident with the g.m in yaw a:u pitch, but I\nf elt a little l ess confident in roll .\nI f elt\nthat I would have to use too mich of my fuel .\nI f elt that it wo~ld be a little more difficult\nto control and. I didn ' t ,,,ant to use my fuel\nto take out my roll combination with the yaw.\nWe divided our plan so tha.t I would havd a part\nof it on the ma.YJ.euver and a part of it on the\ntether.\nI don't know how far along we were\nwhP.n the gun ran out .\nRight on schedule when the gun ran out .\nWe\nplanned f ollr minutes for the gun port ion of it.\nWe were just abQut on schedule .\nGeNFID ENTIA-l"
  },
  {
   "n": 125,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p125.jpg",
   "text": "117\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n..CE>-NFIDENTl~ l:­\nI bet we used a little more than four , because\nI think we came out earlier th'll1 we thought.\nNo , I sta~ted the event timer to time it .\nWell, this is where m:r control difficulty\nbegan.\nAs soon as my gun ran out I wasn\nI t\nable to control myself the way I co-..1ld with\nthe gun.\nWith that gun, I coi.lld decide to go\nto a part of a spacecraft and very confidently\ngo.\nI think right no·,. that .1. wish that I ha:i\ngiven Jim t he gun ,u1d taken t he camera off ,\nNov, I was working on taking some pict.1res\nand \"lorking on the tethe:r dynamics.\nI immediately\nrealized what was wrong.\nI realized that our\ntether was mounted on a pl ane ohlique .to the\nangle in which I wanted to translate .\nI\nremem·i:cL' i'.c-•.1::n our air-bea:::-ing work that every·­\ntime you got at an angle from the perpendicula-:7\nwhere yom.· tether wafl r:iounted, it gave yo.1 a\nnice a::-cing trajectory back in t he opposite\ndirection.\nYou\nI re actually like a weight on\nthe end of a str ing.\nIf you push out in one\ndirec;tion, and you ' re at 911 angle fron ~he\nperpendicular, when you reach the end of a\ntether, it neatly sends you in a long ar.c ba:k\ne6NFIDENrlAc-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 126,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p126.jpg",
   "text": "118\nin ~he opposite dir ection.\nEach time this arc\ncarried me right back to the top of the\nad.9,ptec-, to th~ i;np ,.:;(' 1,;he s_pa~e(;raft , in fact\ntoward the adapter section.\nOne time I w11s so\nclose to the t hrusters back there that I called\nJ •\nI\n• d\n\"D\nI t f .\nb\nti\n:i.;n.\ns,:u. ,\non\nire a.nymor:; . ,\neca.use\nI was right on the thrusters.\nI was even\ncloser than that f oot and a hal f wh.ich I had\nnoted to be tne leng!;1:1 of the thz-uster plumes ,\nand I didn ' t want to sit on a firing thruster.\n°CONFIDENT'IAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 127,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p127.jpg",
   "text": "1\n119\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivi tt\nWe were discussing the EVA and I was si:1.ying that\nI spent approximately 70 percent of my time , it\nseemed, trying to get out of the area back a:1ove\nthe spacecraft in the adapter area .\nYes , you intended to go toward the position that\nwas directly over the cockpit .\nYou always arced\npassed it beca. 1,•11~ y ::n\nW1'lce coming from the front .\nThis was exa~ tly rig'•rl. because that ' s exacUy\nwher e my tether was connected .\nChris had been\nvery emphatic that he wanted me to stay out of\nthis area, and I had agreed to stay out of there .\nI tell you , I was doing my level best to keep\nout but the tether dynamics just put me back\nthere all the time .\nLet me inter ject something here.\nWhen we were\ntalking about the control modes and how we were\ngoing to control the spacecraft , we decided on\nthe Pulse Mode rather than the Horizon Scan\nMode , or anything like th..,t .\nThe Horizon Scan\nMode\nwould\nleave me free to use both hands to\ntake pictures of you and that way I wouldn ' t\nhave had to control the spacecraft .\nBut since it\nCONFl0EN-'flAL~"
  },
  {
   "n": 128,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p128.jpg",
   "text": "120\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nwas an automatic mode and it fired whenever it\nfelt like firing. It didn't give us any flexibil­\nity, and . this is why I felt that the best mode\nto be in was Pulse , in case you did get back\nthere .\nThat ' s exactly what happened .\nI didn't have to worry about the thruster going\noff in your face .\nI didn't want the thrust ers\nto fire and they didn't fire because I didn't\ntouch t hem. It was a wise choice.\nI think this was good .\nWhen you look at it\nfr om a picture-taking viewpoint , it gave a\nwider spectrum of pictures.\nYou got different\nviews of the earth and the horizon.\nI ' m glad\nwe weren 't held to a specific mode.\nI think that the picture we did take or the\nattitude that we started out , which is shown i n\nthe newspaper , is just about right .\nI guess we banked over to the right, I don ' t know.\nThat must have been just as I came out .\nI don't remember, but it had enough of the\nground in the background so that it was certainly\nCO~FTDENT~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 129,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p129.jpg",
   "text": "121\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nce,~F~f>ENsrlAL\nworthwhile.\nOn one of my passes back to the adapter area I\ngot so far back that I was about 3 or 4 feet from\nthe adapter separation plane, perpendicular to\nit .\nIt was rather jagged .\nThere did appear\nto be some sharp edges but it really didn't\nlook very imposing to me . I took a picture of it .\nThat's one picture that I believe was good and\nshould come out.\nThe trouble is it was probably set on infinity\nand you were up about 5 feet .\nNo , I set the camera to about 15 feet or so. It\nmight be a little fuzzy because it was too close.\nNo, I didn ' t see the far side of the adapter. It\ndidn't go all the way around .\nI think I could\nhave pushed off and gotten back that far.\nNo .\nBetter to st ay away from it.\nWell, I felt that if I got going I could h~ve\nswung all the way around and had my umbilical\nright on the edge, without anything to hold on to\nor any gun to control myself. This didn't seem\nlike it was at all safe and I had told Chris that\nI wouldn ' t go behind the craft. So I didn ' t go\nback there .\n-e(:)'Nfro ENrttrt"
  },
  {
   "n": 130,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p130.jpg",
   "text": "122\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nThat must have bee~ just about the time I told\nyou to come back in.\nNo, I would estimate this was about two-thirds of\nthe way and about this time I was after pictures.\nI knew this was a part of the flight plan that I\nhad, in my mind , fulfilled satisfactorilly. So\nI tried to get some pictures and this is where I\nreally impar ted some velocities, trying to get\naway from the spacecraft into a position so I\ncould take a picture. I went out to the end of\nmy tether cord quite a few times doing this .\nI seemed like every time I would be completely\n180 degrees to the spacecraft . I'd have\nbeautiful views of the ground but I couldn' t\nsee the spacecraft. It was a definite mistake\nto mount the camera on the gun . That made it\nvery difficult to use the camera.\nI had to\npoint not only the camera but the gun with the\nlong thrusters mounted out on the little arms.\nI 'd want to take a picture of an object like t he\nspacecraft, • and there were too many loos~ items\nto get tangled up\nin and block the camera.\nI\nknow my tie-down strap was floating loose .\nI\nhad left that out intentionally so that I could"
  },
  {
   "n": 131,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p131.jpg",
   "text": "123\n-CONFIBENf-1-M\nget it later on anytime I had to pull my helmet\ndown .\nOccasionally when I got in close to the\nspacecraft, the bag and strings associated ..,,-; th\nthe bag were tangling up around the vicinity of\nthe gun and the camera.\nAnd it seemed like\nthe umbilical was right in front of the camera\nall the time .\nSo , I think the pictures will\nverify that I was flicking my right arm quite\na bit in the l atter part of the flight , trying\nto clear things out from in front of it to get\na picture . Whenever I was in a position to get a\npicture it seemed like I was facing away from the\nspacecraft .\nI took a couple of shots in desper­\nation and I think I might have gotten a piece of\nthe spacecr aft . But I never got the picture that\nI was after .\nI wanted to get a picture of Jim\nsitting in that spacecr aft, through the open\nhatch, with the whole spacecraft .\nI know that I\ndidn' t get that .\nIn fact, as time went on I\nrealized that I wasn ' t going to get much of a\npicture .\nI was trying everything I knew to get\nout there and get stabilized so that I could turn\naround and get a good picture .\nI just couldn't\ndo this . This was at the time when I was looking\n~F-tDEN+IAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 132,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p132.jpg",
   "text": "124\nMcDivitt\nWhite\na little into the tether dy,1amics , and I actually\nkicked off from the spacecraft pretty hard .\nI\nremember Jim saying,\n\"Hey, you're imparting 2\ndegrees/second rotational velocity to the space­\ncraft when you depart . \"\nI was pushing the space­\ncraft quite vigorously.\nI wanted to push off at\nan angle of about 30 to 40 degrees to the surface\nof the spacecraft ,\nAnd anytime I pushed off from\nthe surface of the spacecraft , my main velocity\nwas perpendicular to the surface . It shot me\nstraight out perpendicular to where the tether\nwas attached .\nAgain, this wasn' t in the position\nthat Jim could take a picture of me, and it wasn't\ntoo good a position for myself .\nI usually ended\nup facing away from the spacecraft .\nLet me interject something here .\nIn desperation\nI took the Hasselblad camera and stuck it over\nout through :Ed's open hatch, and asked him if he\ncould see the camera and if he could tell me\nwhich way to point it. He couldn' t see the\ncamera so he never really did tell me which way\nto point it .\nNo .\nThis was the time that ~rou said ,\n\"Hey, get\nin front of my windo;,.· .\" It just so happened that\nco~~FtDENTl:AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 133,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p133.jpg",
   "text": "125\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI was right up close to the spacecraft and that's\nwhen I came over.\nDo you remember me coming\nover and actually looking about a foot from your\nwindow, Jim?\nYes .\nLooking right at you.\nYes, I think that was the time the movie camera\nwasn't going and I was fooling around with it ,\ntrying to make sure that it was running.\nOh, that would have been a very interesting\npicture.\nI'm not sure it was going, Ed ,\n~ecause, as you\nknow, we had so much trouble making the left\nhand one run.\nWe had that t rouble throughout\nthe remainder of the flight.\nYou pushed a\nswitch over and it seemed to run so:netimes, but\nsometimes it wouldn't.\nI kept worrying about\nwhether or not it was running so, I would grab\na hold of it to see if I could feel it clicking\nover.\nI switched the ON-OFF switch on a couple\nof times to make sure I could tell the change in\nthe feel of it. I'm afraid this time is one of\nthe times that I didn't have the camera going,\nbecause I was trying to make sure that it was\n!eeNFl0ENTIAb-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 134,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p134.jpg",
   "text": "126\nc»Ot\\JFID l:t'4TIAL\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ngoing.\nI ' m not positive .\nI hope I got :,he\npicture but I ' m not sure about it.\nThat was the time that I came right in , and I\ncouldn ' t have been more than a foot from your\nwindow , looking in .\nI could actually see you\nsitting there .\nThat 's pr;.,bably :,..-hen you put a mark on my window .\nI think the way I did that--I could actually see\nyou in there and I pushed away with :ny hands a\nlittle bit .\nI think this was t he time that eHher\nmy arm or my shoulder contacted the upper part of\nyour window and you called me a \"dirty dog\"\nbecause I had messed your window up.\nYou know ,\nas you look back in retrospect , I wish you ' d\nhanded me a kleenex and I wish I'd cleaned up\nthe outside of those two windows. I think we\ncould have done it .\nYes.\nWe'd have never gotten to the kleenex at\nt hat time , but I think we might have done some­\nthing about it .\nI think I might have but we might have smeared\nthem so irrepairably that it might have-- .\nThat ' s r ieht .\nWhen you looked at that wi ndow\nof mine from the inside while the sun was shining\nCO~~f1f}fI~TrAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 135,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p135.jpg",
   "text": "127\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nC-O ►~FIDENll.Ab.\nit looked like it was a black paint smear, such\nas if you Id take a piece of v:hite linoleum\nand a black rubber soled shoe and made a mark\non the linoleum. It had that kind of consistency.\nIt was absolutely opaque .\nJust as black as it\ncould be .\nYes, I could tell .\nWhen i hit it I could see\nfrom the outside that it turned white .\nIt tu~ned black from the inside.\nFrom the outside it was white.\nFrom the inside it was black. When I got the\nthing turned aro--.md a different way with the\nsun on it , it was perfectly clear as if you\nhad taken the coating off, and what I ;.•as\nseeing was through a perfectly clear surface. So ,\nI don ' t know really whether the thing was black,\nthat you placed something on the window that\nwould make it blac~ or whether you ' d taken\nsomething off that was very white , very thin .\nI smeared the film that was on your window.\nI 'm\nquite confident that is what happened.\nI looked at our spacecraft windows after they\ngot it onboard, and I could still see that\nlittle hunk of window.\nIt looks to me like wh•1t"
  },
  {
   "n": 136,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p136.jpg",
   "text": "128\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nCOt'4FIDE~l·l1tt­\nyou did was remove a layer off the window, rat her\nthan put something on it. You took something off\nit .\nExcept I can't possibly imagine why it was\nso black and opaque with the sun shining on it\nat certain angles .\nI'd like to comment on the ease of operation\noutside on a tether . If you've ever tried to\nhang on the outside of a water tower , or about\nan 8- foot diameter tree , you can visualize the\nproblem I had out there .\nThe decision to leave\nthe hatch open was probably one of the very best\n~:1at we made .\nI had nothing outside the space­\ncraft to stabilize myself on.\nThere just isn' t\nanything to hold\nonto. I think Jim will\nremember one time when I tr ied to hook my\nfingers in the RCS thrusters .\nI think Jim could\nsee because- - .\nI could see .\nI was right out in front of Jim I s windo•,.r . This\ngave me really not hing particularly to hold ,):nto.\nI t didn't stabilize me at all .\nI had nothing\nreally to hold onto, and so if you have ever\ntried to grasp an 8- foot diameter tree and shinny\nup it , you know the kind of feeling that I had\n-'ZO~<J FtDEf'<lflAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 137,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p137.jpg",
   "text": "129\n- ~ONFIDEN+IAl.-\nMcDivitt\nWhite\noutside there. There just ,rasn' t anything for me\nto hold onto.\nOne thing though that I ' ll say\nvery emphatically- - there wasn't any tendency\nto recontact the spacecraft in anything but very\ngentle contacts .\nI made some q·,.ite interesting\nconta~ts. I made one that I recall on the\nbottomside of the right door in which I had kind\nof rolled around. I actually c8ntacted the bottom\nof the spacecraft with my back and the back of my\nhead .\nI wa.1 faced away fror., the r..ipacecraft and I\njust drifted right up against it and just very\nlightly contacted it. I rebounded off.\nAs long\nas the pushoffs are slow there just isn' t any\ntendency to get in an uncontrol lable attitude .\nIt seemed Fd did hit it pretty hard at one time.\nI think that was after he pushed off violently;\nhe went out and it seemed he came back and bashed\nit pretty hard.\nI remember a pretty solid thump.\nIt seemed it was over the right hand hatch or just\nright behind--.\nI know a couple of times I kicked off with my\nfeet , and I think I k~ow the time you are talking\nabout.\nI came in with my foot . It wasn' t so much\nthe contact with myself--.\nCONFIDENTIAl­"
  },
  {
   "n": 138,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p138.jpg",
   "text": "130\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhat did you do? Contact and pushoff?\nI contacted and pushed with my foot .\nI heard a big thump and I think I call ed you at\nthis time t o take it easy.\nI believe that was on the fro~t end of the R & R\nSection on my side where yo'.l couldn't see me .\nIt was a position that I couldn't see.\nOne of the pictures that I saw last night in the\nmovies , I think, was made at t hat time .\nI was\ncoming in fair ly rapidly and I wanted to get back\nout, so I kicked off again with my foot fairly\nhard.\nIt was a vary good kick.\nI felt th:3,,t\nI.\ncertainly could have controlled myself without\nthe gun out there if I had just some type of\nvery insignificant hand-holds or someth.i.ng\nthat I could have held on to .\nI believe that I\ncould have gone on back to the adapters with a\nminimum of several hand-holds to go back ➔;he re,\ngoing from one to the other.\nI was actua,.1:r\nlooking for some type of himd-holdi: out th0re.\nI remember that the only one that I saw was the\nstub antenna on the nose of the spacecraft .\ncould see the ceramic covering ()Ver it, I believe\nit was ceramic , or some kind of covering o,ar it .\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 139,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p139.jpg",
   "text": "131\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n,,CQ.N-FIE>fNll'M.\nYes, it ' s white.\nI felt that this wasn' t quite the thing to grab\nonto, this was at the ti~e when I want ed to get\nout at about 10 or 12 feet directly in front of\nthe spacecraft. I certainly had the urge to hang\nonto the antenna and push myself out. But I\ndidn't and ther e really wasn't anything to hold\nonto .\nYou really need somethine to stabilize\nyourself. I worked around the open hatch.\nLet me ask you a question?\nHow about putting\nthe hand-hold inside of the nose cone? A fairing\nis up there for launch, just the fairing.We could\nmount a hand-hold right inside.\nI think we could have rea'lly made som,~ money if\nwe had had an attachment for the tether out there\nright on the nose o.f the spacecraft.\nStrong the tether out there and then attached\nthere?\nRight .\nRave a seoond attach point and put it\nright out there. It would give you something\nto hold onto out there.\nYes .\nThere wasn't anything to hold onto o~ the R & R\nSection.\n..-::eeNFIDENTIAI:­"
  },
  {
   "n": 140,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p140.jpg",
   "text": "132\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nW'nite\nMcDivitt\nCOt>~ ~IDENTt,AcL,\nI know it .\nIt had smooth corners and the only thing I could\nhave grabbed was the a 1ten1a, a:id I didn ' t want\nto grasp that .\nwe tho·.1ght one ti:..e of holding\noa out there and th:usting, but-- .\nThere isn' t anything to hold onto.\nI think you\npt'obc>.bly co'.lld have gotten a hold on the antenn'3.\nand held onto it witho~t hQrting it .\nI examined\nit pretty closely before the 1-3.'mch, and i t look­\ned pce~ty sturdy .\nI thought this was somet hing we needed and I\ndidn't want to fool with it .\nAs it turned out we really needed that antenna\nbe~ause that was the antenna thu.t we used the\nwhJle flight- -that stub antenna in the nose .\nYes .\nWhen we opened up the spa~ecraft the hatch came\nopen with a bang.\nThe air that wa had inside\nwas obviously of greater pressure tha':1 that o:1t­\nsitle , and we had a great outflow of t hings inclu­\nding a piece of foam that we had used to pack our\ntnA.neuvering gun in it ' s box. It was the first\nthing t hat we put in o=bit .\nBut then throughout\nthe time thit Ed was out, he wanted the doJr wide\nCO ► ~FIE>ENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 141,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p141.jpg",
   "text": "133\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nopen. It was pretty obvious that the flow was\nfrom the spacecraft to the outside because part­\nway through his maneuvers his glove floated out\nand floated away from the spacecraft with area­\nsonably good relative velocity.\nThe entire time\nhe was out , even after we h.'.l.d the hatch open fo~\n20 to 25 minutes, we were still getting particles\nfloating out thxough the hatch. It was the flow.\nThe streamlines were very obvious. It was from\ninside the spacecraft to the outside.\nI guess\nthe spacecraft was out-gassing at a sufficient\nrate to cause a reasonably large pressu.re differ­\nential from inside to outside , and it was cer­\ntainly relieving itself. I noticed this even as\nwe were trying to get the hatch ~losed .\nThere\nwas still a flow from inside to outside.\nOkay.\nI think that pretty well covers most of\nthe things that we actually did while I was\nout there.\nNow , as for getting back in--.\nYes, let's go all the way back thxough and come\nback in .\nThe time really did go faet!\nI had\nwatches with :ne, but I dii:a ' t look at them.\nI was watching the time.\nI noticed my watch\n1'f)N·FIDENTIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 142,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p142.jpg",
   "text": "134\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\naround 4 minutes and 6 mi.nutes and 8 minutes .\nAnd t' .en you got involved in floating 1:3,ro'.l.Yld\nas we were t rying to get that last pict,\\u'e .\nThe tim,a really flew!\nYou kept getting behi.nd me all the t ime and I\nbecame distracted from ;he t ime we were on VOX,\nco'llpletely blocking out the grou.'ld .\nOur VOX must\nhave been triggered constantly, be::::ause whenever\nwe were on it they coul::l:o' t tra.'lsmi t to us.\nThat ' s where the time got away from me .\nThat ' s right , and it was 15 minutes and 40 sec­\nonds when I looked at my clock.\nSo , I th::>'.lght\nthat I had better g::> to the ground.\nI said to\nthe ground, \"Do you ha-.re any ,rn,ssage for us? 11\nbecause I knew it was time to get back in.\nAnd\nth-9y just sai:i, \"Yes .\nGet back in! \"\nRight .\nI remember hearing Gus say,\"Yes, get\nhim back in ! \"\nThis is what all the fuss was about .\nThey\nmight have been transmitting to us to get back\nin hut we ware on VOX a.-id couldn' t hear a t hing.\nI did a few things after this time that I wasn ' t\nd·::>ing to deliberately stay out .\nBc1t I was\ndeliberately t rying to do one last thing.\nI was"
  },
  {
   "n": 143,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p143.jpg",
   "text": "1\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n135\nC-oNflDfz.NllAL\nt rying to get that last pi cture .\nAnd this was\none of a couple of times that I kicked off the\nspacecraft really har.d, to get out to the cmd ·':l'!:\nthe tether. And [ wasn 1 t successful in g~tting\nt he positi on so t hat I couli get a picture. I\nfel t this was the one part of the mission that I\nhad:1 1 t completed.\nEverything else was successful\nand I wanted very badly to get that picture from\noutside .\nI spent a moment or so doing this.\nThis was also the period of ti~e in which I\ncalled down to Jim a~d said, \"I ' m actually walk­\ning o~ top of the spacecra.ft. 11\nI took the tether\nheU onto it, and ui:ied it as a device to pull me\ndown to the spacecraft.\nI walked from about\nwhere the angle starts to break be+\n·\"l the nose\nsection and the ca~in secti':ln.\nI walked from there\n~robably about two-thirds of the way up the cabin,\navid it was really quite strenuo'.ls,\nCould you see\nme walking along, Jim?\nNo , I couldn't see but I could feel the thumping\non the O'.ltside .\nThat ' s when 1 got to la 1ghing so hard. This was\nwhen Jim \\•tas sa,ying to com,, in.\nYes , I think this is when T got a little ster n"
  },
  {
   "n": 144,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p144.jpg",
   "text": "136\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nW':lite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nand said, \"Get in here! \"\nWhen I w,3,s •t1':ilking on the •:,op and w,3,3 .l:3.1.,5·!1ing ,\nJim pr:.>bably did·:1 1 t think I th:mght he wa.s\nserious .\nBut i t was a very funny sensation.\nNow\nas far as delayi:ig, there were ce::::-tain things\nthat I ha1 to do befo~e I came in.\nAnd there\nwasn ' t anything in the world that was going to\nhurPy me up in do:l.ng the;n .\nWe had just agr eed\nthat we'd do things in a slow manner and this is\nthe way we ' d do it .\nLet me talk about the tine here. It is implied\nin the ~apers that Ed didn ' t really wa\"lt to come\nba.ck in, and didn ' t .\nI think one of the things\nis that we didn't hear .\nWe didn ' t have any\nt ransmissions from the ground after he step~ed\noutside until I went off VOX at 15:4) .\nThey\nsaid , \"Come back in . \", an:l I told him to come\nback in .\nI think that he pt•obably del q,yed .~'::>out\na minute or t w? minutes .\nI thi nk so , trying to get the pictures .\nAnd at that t imn I got a little i t-ritated a..\"ld\nhollered at Ed , too .\nTh,~n he started back in.\nBut whe~ I came baJk 1 had things to do .\nMcDivitt\nYes .\nI k-1ow it .\nThat 's what I ' m t rying to say"
  },
  {
   "n": 145,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p145.jpg",
   "text": "137\nCOt<tFIDE~+~Al\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nto get tfuis thing in its proper perspective.\nYes.\nWe were 3 minutes 40 seconds late getting started\nback in because we just lost track of the tine.\nI couldn't see Ed any longer.\nI was trying to\nkeep t rack of what he was doing without being\nable to see, and I lost track of time . Then I\nthink he delayed p·:obably a _ni:mte o.!' a :nbnte\nand a half before he started back in.\nThat ' s right.\nSo , those are the two delays.\nWe 'd agreed on that he'd start back in after 12\nmin:1tes.\nFro!ll then on all the time was spent\nJ.ist trying to g,~t back in.\nI had certain things to d-., .\nI hail to disassemble\nthe camera that was on the spacecraft .\nI did\nthis very slowly.\nI had to dis,::011J1eot the elect­\nrical connection to it and hand the camera back\nin to Jim.\nThen 1 had to go out and disconnect\nthe umbilical, and this really went pretty well.\nThe little tether that I had them put on the ring,\na pull ring, to disco:n:.~ect the pii worked pretty\nwell.\nI disconnected the umbilical and discarded\nthe umbilical cord."
  },
  {
   "n": 146,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p146.jpg",
   "text": "138\nEO~~FIDENl~l>.L ..\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcD.ivitt\nMcD:ivitt\nWhite\nMcD:ivit t\nThat was the last th.ing Ed put into orbit .\nRight .\nI put that L:1 o~bit. Earlier , it was\nr eally quite a sensation to see the glove float­\ning off.\nI asked Jim a few .nin.ltes before about\n1\nthf~ glova , \".>r Jim had asked me, \"ne:v, do you want\nthis other glove?\"\nAbout a minute 1-9.t er, I saw\nit gQ floating o'.lt of the hatch .\nAll I can say, Fil, war,, about a half hou.'..' 13.ter I\nwas sure t hankful that we had g')tte!1 r id of so:ne­\nthing.\nWe had s·:i much other junk that we didn ' t\nwant .\nI saw t he glove come fioating r)at of the righ>\nhand hatch , and it was a perfectly clear picture\nof t~ glo·,e as it floated out .\nIt floated ::mt\nover my right shouLler arnl t1ut- -it l:ioked 1ike\ni t waG on a defL'li te trajecto:r-y going somewhere .\nI don't know where it was going.\nIt floated very\nsmartly out of -i:he :Jpa:~ecraft and ,:mt i.n-~o\ns pace .\nI thi n~-< this ha:l. a lot to do ·11ith that C'lt- gas­\nsing.\nThere was a definite stream--.\nYes .\nIt was following the s tream:..ine ri~ht :m~\nof i:he sp~1i::ecraft .\nIt went oat perpendicular to thP spacecraft ,\n'~01\\tffl,·l:NTt;~r"
  },
  {
   "n": 147,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p147.jpg",
   "text": "139\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwhichever direction that is .\nBack to getti'lg bade\nthe 3pacecraft- -I hc:l,d the\nL°l\none thermal glove o~ the on~:aand , my left hand.\nI always wanted my right hand to be free to op­\nerate that g,m a--id the camera.\nThe way the cam­\nera was mow1ted on there, I had to use both h9.nds -­\none hand to actually stabilize it with the glll1\nand the other ha.;1d to cea.ch over. Again, I think\ndynamics pl~yed a little bit of a role there.\nEverytime I brought my hand in from a position\nou~ on my left, it tended to tur.n me a. little\nbit, which is exactly what we found happened on\nthe air-bearing tables. I think that the camera\nshould have been velcroed to my body somewhere\nand used independently of the gun.\nYes .\nI g 1)t that same impression.\nI got the\nimpression that what you reall y should have d•:me\nwas--.\nDropped the gun.\nUnhooked the camera out there floating around\nand j.1st throW!'l the g,m away.\nI don't think you\never should have tried to bring it back.\nWell , what I should have done was fold the g~n\nand handed it to y◊u,\nC~l'JFlDENTI.AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 148,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p148.jpg",
   "text": "140\nCO i'<I FIf)EMlt:itt\nMcD:ivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDj_vitt\nWhite\nThat would ·:iave ·j'.lSt taken longer.\nIt wo'.l.ld\nhave taken precious seco::ids out of the very\nfew thA.t we had anyway .\nI th i.nk y0u sho'..lld ha•re\nj 1st unhook.~d it and throW!'t the g'1fl ::;,w:~y .\nThis was probably the thing that I was most\nirritated with not completing.\nI dii.1 ' t .feel the\npictu.ces were satisfactory with the can,~ra out­\nside. But I think the reason was that my camera\nwas not in a position so 1 could use it adeqciat­\nely.\nBut coming back in was the last thing.\nAs\na matter-of-fact , before I dismounted the movie\ncamera A-nd dismounted the urnb ~lic:,,1, I folded th,,\ngi.ln .\nI took the l::;,nyard off with the camera on it, and\nhanded Jim the gun and the camera.\nA.11d I stuck it d:,wn between my legs .\nThat was thfi first thing that I handed in .\nThen\nI handed in the 16 mm -~am•=ra , and then I threvt\naway the umbilical . Thls wa8 where the fun\ns l;,,u· ~..::.1.\nI f1)11nd it wa.r:i ::;, 1 )t mo:-::-e difficult\ncoming b.3.ck in tha.::i I had :remembered in the zero­\ng training. It seemed like I was contacting both\nsides of the hatch at the same time , much firmer\nthan I had in the zero--g ai cplane.\nco~~FIOENflAl"
  },
  {
   "n": 149,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p149.jpg",
   "text": "141\nMcD.ivi tt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nYou mean you were hitting the hatch o~ one side\nand the hatch opening on the other side.\nComing back in, I was conta~ting the side of the\nspacecraft o~ both sides .\nYes, that 's right.\nYo•.l weren't really hitting the hatch on both\nsid,=.is, you were ht t ting the hatch opening on both\nsides.\nYes.\nI was coming down through there. I felt a\nmuch fit'mer attachment wedging in there than\nI 'd remembered from the zero-g training.\nI think\nthis might be associated with the extr a 7/10 or\n8/10 pound of pressurization on thf.l suit.\nI\njust mi6ht have been a little fatter.\nI did\nnotice that the suit was a little harder. I felt\nthis type of suit before during my pre-work, so\nthis wasn't a su£p=ise to me at all .\nBut I did\nfeel like I was a little fatter getting in and\nwedged a little tighter.\nI really don't think Ed was ari:y fatter.\nI think\nthat link in the suit holds the suit to whatever\nvolume it's going to go to.\nAnd I don ' t th'ink\na couple psi are going--.\nWell, I felt like I was hitting a little more as\n-"
  },
  {
   "n": 150,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p150.jpg",
   "text": "142\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMc:Divitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWnite\nMcDivitt\ntOfqfl0Et ◄ TIAL\nI came in .\nYes.\nI think what happe:.e::1 ·,ms he was stiffer ,\nand he wa.sn' t bending his legs and his arms ai:1y .\nYou mean with the harder suit I was stiffer?\nHarder .\nAnd your. arms were stiffe:::- a nd yo'J.weren't\nbending them\naround as much . It looked a lot\nmore rigid.\nThis mig~ ~ hav,3 been.\nNot semi-rigi.:i--Ei w:3.s rigid .\nAll r ight .\nThis might have been.\nAnd that looked to me like it might have been tht,\nprobl3m .\nThL, might have been part of the recontact 0::1 the\nside of t;'.,e spacecraft that I noticed .\nBut\nas I came back in, I noti-:::ed that I had to work\na little harder , and I hoped the tape was running·\nbecause I think we had a very good commentary.\nWe were both talk ing very clearly bal)k a'ld forth\nto ea-:::h ot~~er during this time and I w~s telling\nJim that I was go:'..ng''to com-3 in slow because it\nwaf-1 a little tought;r than t ha.:i tho 1ght .\nWe ·-'•=re\ntalking back and forth ab.::mt being slow and tak-·\ning it easy .\nI actually helped pu:,h ~ down in there .\nI d,,n ' t\n€01'4FIDE~~TIM"
  },
  {
   "n": 151,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p151.jpg",
   "text": "143\nWhi t e\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcD:i.vitt\nknow whether he felt it or not in that suit .\nNo , I couldn't.\nI reached over and I steered his leg::i do,m in,\nand I sort of got hi.n settled b the seat a\nl ittle better than what he was getting himself.\nYes.\nRight.\nI was kind of free wheeli~g my feet\nup there.\nYes . It looked to me like Ed was holding o~ to\nthe top of the open part of the hatch and j~st\nswiveling around that pa-rt. It looked like he\ndidn ' t have enough mobility and strength in his\narms to actually t wist his body down against the\nforce of the suit into the seat.\nAfter awh.Lle, I reached my left arm u.nderaeath,\nthe same techniq~e we had used in the zero-g\ntraining, and actually I had my hands all over the •\nci rc1xi t breakers.\nYes.\nEd was a real hazard to the switches.\nYes, and I pulled myself do·..m in and that ' s when\nI really started coming .Ln--when 1 gut hold. of the\nunderneath stde of that circuit breaker panel\nand p~lled myself in. That's when my first real\nprogress was made toward actually getting d:>wn in.\nBecause, while I co1.1ld steer Ekl from where I was\n--CONFIDE~"
  },
  {
   "n": 152,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p152.jpg",
   "text": "144\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n(:O~FlDENTl~L\nI really didn ' t have the strength to pull him in .\nIt was ';)0 degreea to the ·,my that he t:'ea.l.ly\nwanted to be pulling .\nI co'.lld steer.\nI did do\na lj .,tle bit of pushing, but n::>t a heck of a lot .\nI w:as>1 1 t really contributing rn,wh to the effort\nt her.e ex-~ept-- .\nYou\nwere guiding me down into t he fcotwells .\nYes . That was aoout it .\nB'J.t once I got my hand,, 11p 11:1dernP-ath the irrntcu­\nment panel , I was back pretty well in familiar\ngroun:is--the work that we ' d done five dnen times\nin the zero-g air.pla,He ,and I kJ1ew the tecMi.que\npretty well.\n10 0::)0 tim,~s !\nWhite does check pretty ...,ell .\nI really did it a lot;.\nMaybe the suit wa,3\nstiffer, or maybe I was .fatter, b:.it I wasn ' t\ngoing in quite as easy as I had before--getting\ninto the initial positio:1 to pull myself dow~1\nin~o the seat .\nSo it took ma a 1ittle longe.t:' .\nI f you recall , I had to go back o'.lt again one\nt ime .\nI got back do•,1a and started to wedge my­\nself d::>wn anrl I got t wo fat cr-:1inps at the bot­\ntoms of my thi.gha in both legs , where the\nmuscles star ted to bal l up a little .\ncer<lFrDENT11'L"
  },
  {
   "n": 153,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p153.jpg",
   "text": "145\nMcDivltt\nWhi.te\nMcD:i.vitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nOh?\nDid you. get it in your. thighs o:':.' calves?\nBo-th of thP. muscles in the back of my thighs\nballed up in a ball and I thought , \"Well, I have\nto go back out and l et them straighten up.\"\nSo, I straightened my legs out .\nWe had that problem before in the zero•-g air­\nplane.\nThis is the time Jim said, \"Hey while you' re\nup, why don't you throw the vlsor out?\"\nI\nhesitated a minute because I thought, \"Well,\nyou son-of-a-buck, you might have problems here.\nYou might have to be spending an orbit or so\ntrylng to get in.\"\nNo , as a matter of fa~t , I don ' t think th~t is\nwhen you did th.row it out .\nI think you threw\nit out when you ca.me back dow~ and you started\nto close the hatch.\nYou were having trouble,\nIt wouldn't close, and you said, \"I'm going to\nhave to take this visor off so that I can see\nthese things.\" And I said, \"Listen, if we get\nthis thing closed we're not going to open it\nagain .\nThrow the visor away.\"\nThat ' s right. That was when I got the cramps ,\nwent back up again and then I came back down\nCQ N fff)ENTtA L"
  },
  {
   "n": 154,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p154.jpg",
   "text": "146\nMcD:ivitt\nWhite\nMcD:i.vltt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nM0Divitt\nWhite\nMcD:ivitt\nWhi.te\nagain , and said , \"Hey, I can' t see them.\nI ' m\ngoing t.o have to take the v•; .~or off.\"\nNo ,\nJ t was a little bit 19.ter than that .\n¥0'.l\nha:l all ready started to try to close it and you\nwere having difficulty 0losing .it .\nOkay.\nLet I s get thP. sequr-mce out .\nWe came dowi1\nin.\nI got up to st ~aighten my legs a little\nbi. t , went back up , then I came back riown- - .\n- -with all yot1r. equipment on--.\nI hadn't hel d the handle yet, had I?\nNo .\nYou ha:ln ' t done a thing with it.\nSo I got back d '.)wn into positi'.)n- -.\n~-with all yo~~ eq'.lipment o~ 9.rld pulled the\nhatch down.\nThe hatch was dO\\v.'1 far enough to close at th i.s\ntime .\nI thought i.t was.\nI did., too .\nI felt it was d::r,m far e:1:>'.lgh.\ncan tell by looking right straight d:>1,m at the\nedge--.\nYes .\nI can tell by looki'lg ,111 llndernP.ath the\nr ight- ha.':1d side to see where the dogs are.\nOkay.\nSo I tho'.lght the hatch Has doW!l far\nenough to close at that time.\nI reached up and\nCQ~lfif)·l:NflAL\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 155,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p155.jpg",
   "text": "147\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcDivltt\ngot the handle , but I don'-c k11ow what I said\nto you.\nYou didn't say anything .\nI do~ ' t know whether\nyou said anything to me or not , bu\"':. you didn ' t\nhave to sa~ anything to me .\nI saw you move\nthat ha..\"'ldle and I saw how easy it was going and\nI saw that the dogs were~ ' t moving.\nI thLnk I said somethL'lg.\nI don ' t re1nember w:hat\nI said .\nBut I said something anrl you knew\nright away what had happened.\nYou didn't say a word.\nI waB watchi.'.l.g the dogs\nand that lever a\"'ld I krle•,1 what the trouble was .\nRight .\nSo I guess that ' s when I said , \"I ' m\ngoing to ha·,re to take the visor off because I\ncan't see.\" And then we went back up and Ji m\nsaid, \"Well, we're not going to open the hatch\nagain.\nWhy don ' t you thro·,1 the visor out .\" I\nhesitated for a mir'l.ute to throw it out because\nI thought that we might have a pt'oblem.\nActually, we had a little more difficulty than\nwe had explained .\nWe fooled around for a min­\nu~e or two or m~wbe even th:=ee or four with the\nhandle. It was pretty apparent to us that we\nweren ' t going to get the hatch closed with nor­\neQtqFtDfNTIAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 156,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p156.jpg",
   "text": "148\nWhite\nMcD:iv.itt\nCOl<IFIE)Et ◄ TIAl\nmal st-rai.gh~- forward techniques , and tha~ 1ve were\n..\ng0ing to have to s t art going to ot'·er t hings .\nWhi.le we say that we came d::>wn and mo·,ed the\nhandle once or t wice , it was oYer about a three\nor four rnin11te period , at l east .\nThe ~orinal meth::>d of closing the hatch is for me\nto co~e d::>wi.1 and wedg➔ ~yself down , hold onto\nthe llttle canvas handle up t~ere , a.\"1d ,c1.ctL1ally\naJply a <iownward fo::-ce on t he hatch to help close\ni t .\nThen with my right hand I use the hatch\nhandl e to retche t the hatch down . This is no:\"..'­\nmal ly .:>ur techniq·.1e we wollld alway::; use , and\n!:ever i n t he past , has Jim had to help mo: with\nt he hatch closing device .\nThi.;, ·11as'.l.' t the c>:3.se\nthis tl!lle .\nAs so-::>n as I ha:i go-l;ten np ~here to\noperate the gain lever, I co~ldn ' t ope~ate the\ncanvas handle anymore .\nI co~li n't apply any\ntorque O'.\"..' pull there beca,1se--.\nN-::>t only that, b:.it you were actually pushi.ng\nyourself up off the seat .\nAnd I 'm not sure\nthat even the first ti.ne that WE; had the hatch\nclosed far enough . It looked li.ke it was closed\nfar eno•..igh .\nAs a ms.tter of fac t , later on when\nwe got it down to that posit:ion it looked li.ke it"
  },
  {
   "n": 157,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p157.jpg",
   "text": "149\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nwas closed fine. It really wasn ' t closed far\nenough because you never did get those dogs out\nuntil we- - .\nNo, the dogs came out, Jim, the first time 1 got\ntorque o~ it. Those dogs started out, then it\nclosed.\nDid they? Okay.\nYes.\nI think we had it down f~r enough.\nIt looked t :J me like we did, and I couldn't\nunde~stand why they weren't coming out .\nI knew\nthat the :oo.tchet wasn't engaged, but I got the\nimpressiJn that i t was from watching your hand\nwhen you came down one time.\nYou had the ·ratchet\nengaged and the littletit pin that sticks in the\ndoer that doesn't allow things to come closed\nwasn ' t there.\nNo, the. ratchet wasn't engaged. There was nothing\non the handle at all. It was free, completely\nfree.\nThe s:ituation hadn't changed at all.\nAnother thing I'd like to point o·.lt now, too , was\nthe chest pack was in the way of bringing the\nhandle down to a full-crank position.\nAnd I\nwanted definit ely to do this because you can\ninterrupt the sequence of the dogs if you don ' t"
  },
  {
   "n": 158,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p158.jpg",
   "text": "150\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nfully stroke the ha\"'l.dle each ti.maL\n\\Je went back up so that I could \"ictually see a\"ld\nobserve the levers .\nThis was the time Jim sa..id\nto th.row the visor o·.1t because w,~ pr:)ba.bly would­\nn ' t o_pe'!1 th1, hatch aga.i.n , onca w,3 g8t it closed .\nAnd this see~ed like very goo1 so:md advice to\nme .\nThe o:':1.ly thing I was a little q·.1esti::m1ible\nabou ~ 1,1a::; that 'it this ti.mt, I ha.ii the inkling\nin my mind that we ~ight spend quite a bit of\ntime g':tti ng this hatch closed , and I mi.gh·~\nwant t he visor when 1 was back out ~i1 j·1. .\nB'..lt\nI thoilght the judgmfmt to t hro·11 the v ls'.:>r out\nwas best and I threw it 0'.1t--opaned the door\nabo'..lt a foot and a half and thr.ew the vlsor out .\nThe next t ime we canlf? back dow:1, I was s t ill\nhaving the l i ttle bit of p:oblem with the cramps,\nbut not ~-9arly the pr~obl:=:m 1 wa'9 having with the\ngain lever .\nOne superseded the o LheT.\nThat ' s right .\n0~1e p.::-oblem became of much higher\nm:agnitude tha!l the other .\nSo this was the t ime\nthat we started ·Norking .\nI k.\"lew what I hai. to d-J .\nI knew I had to work the gai n lever in sequP.nce\nwith the han1le again , juAt like ~e had w~en we\n~ONFTDENf1AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 159,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p159.jpg",
   "text": "151\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nopened it .\nWe both had a..\"l inklirig that this was\ngoing to happen when we opened it the first time .\nBut this posed the problem of when I reached up\nwith my left arm to work the gain lever. It\ntakes a great deal :>f force .\nThis isn' tthe direct­\nio:2 that the suit is designed to reach in.\nAnd\nit tak~s a great deal of force to lift your arms\nup in the vicinity of your helmet to operate\nsomething there. In so doing it pulled me back\nup :)Ut of the seat .\nAn1 I think this is the time\nthat Jim noticed that I was up higher than I had\never been before, and he actual ly felt that my\nhelmet was up against the hatch.\nI tend to agree\nthat I was up in that posit ·ion.\nYes .\nI actually pulled Ed 1own in the seat by\npulling on the--.\nI think so.\nI did it in steps. I'd pull down and 3d woul-i\ncooe down.\nThen I'd pull some more, he'd ~ome\ndown some more.\nI was actually pushing up with my left hand and\nIJl.Y helmet was wedged right up against the hA.tch.\nI had a little bit of area in which they actually\nsee t he dogs that I was working with up there ."
  },
  {
   "n": 160,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p160.jpg",
   "text": "152\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivltt\nWhite\nMcD.ivitt\n-co~~FID[i'~rt,\\L\nYou could see them though?\nYes, I could see them .\nAt least I coul:1 3ee what\npositions they were in .\nI could see the little\n.,.\nlever operating unde-r the spring:..._where I was\nactually operating the spring on the g~in leve-r.\nThis is where I think we grJt some very good team­\nw~rk, because it was neces sary that Jim pull\ndo·tJn in conjunctio-:-i with the time that I pulled\ndown on the c,1osing handle and Jperated the\nga:i.n l ~ver .\nI just hope that the tape worked\nbecause I can rem~mber I was in there .\nJim was\ntalking to me , and. then when it came to ~he point\nwhen we really had to make the big pull I felt a\nlittle torque on the handle .\nI knew that we had\nit at that time if we co:.ild only get the hatch\ndown ,;lose enough so that the dogs W')uld engage .\nAnd I ca..~ remember giving the old--I think I was\nyelling HEAVE! HE.LIVE!\nIs th13.t what I was yelling.'\nI think so .\n.And tt was in perfect ti~1d.,1ig, because I could see\nJim or I could see the hatch come do~n each time\nthat I was yelling IE.AVE !\nI think it was\nprobably the mast--.\nThe most int eresting mome!'lt of the flight.\n0 '~~'F--{;)ENA-ittb"
  },
  {
   "n": 161,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p161.jpg",
   "text": "153\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi i;P\nYes . It was the most interesting moment of the\nflight , but I think i.t was probably the m::.H,t , if\nyou wan~ to say, draimitic.\nI don 1t know the\nright word .\nBut it was probably the most\ndramatjc moment of my life. About those 30\nseco:i.ds we spent t'ight there.\nThe dogs started\nl~tching.\nI co~ld feel them going in, and then\nI could feel them co~e over dead-center.\nJim\ncalled out that the dogs were in.\nI knew that once we got them moving we'd be all\nright .\nYes , once they started coming in.\nAs long as\nwe got those dogs to engage , with the little\nlever that permitted them to come out and l~ck,\nI knew that we hn.d it hacked.\nYes .\nSo did I. Even i f\ne \"ould 'tave had to\nreenter with the hatch in that position, we 1d\nhave been all right.\nI don 1t thi.nk that the\nheat leaks were that tremendous.\nI knew we could continue and dog it on in all the\nway. It seems like whenever you know you're\nright on something, you want to be darn sure\nthat they fix it. This was going through my\nmind then.\nAnd I remembered that I felt I was"
  },
  {
   "n": 162,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p162.jpg",
   "text": "154\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nright in that the bar and the attachment on that\nbar and lanyard were not strong enough .\nI re­\nmembered that and I knew how hard you were pul­\nling on that thing.\nI t hink , if nothing else,\nthey ought to :Je sure .\nHow many times did we\nbreak that attachment at the bar?\nWe br oke the attachm~:mt abod; three or four t imes\non the zero-g airplane.\nEverytime they kept\ntelling us it wasn't made out of the right kind\nof stuff and the st~ff we were going to have in\nthe spacecraft would be the right material.\n~•'ell ,\nit didn't break in the spacecraft .\nJust coin­\ncidently, or maybe because we both had doubts\nabout the strength of that particular piece .\nThe same thing crossed through my mind .\nI was\nthinking t hat the success or failure of this\nhatch closure depends on whether this hatch\nclosing device st ays hooked onto t hat space­\ncraft and doesn ' t break offo\nWe would have been flat out of luck!\nWe would have been in deep trouble !\nI 'm not sure\nwe wouldn ' t have been able to get the hatch\nclosed, because we had put that canvas strap\non t here and I might have been able to pull you\n~rbENIIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 163,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p163.jpg",
   "text": "155\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ndown that way.\nBut I had about all the pull I\nhad in me on that last-­\nI know you did .\n--on that last thing and I had a lot of mechanical\nadvantage over it. When we went to that canvas\nstrap we would have had to go with no mechanical\nadvantage.\nAs a matter of fact, a mechanical\ndisadvantage.\nThis is one thing that didn't fail, but I\nrecommend that it be made stronger.\nStronger anywny!\nI think so .\nFor nothing else than a psychological purpose .\nRight. I'd like to take the spacecraft now and\nsee if I could break it, because I had the\nfeeling that I never had been confident that that •\nattachment nor the bar nor the lanyard were\nstrong enough.\nWhen I say I was really pulling as strong as I\ncould, I really had some pull left in me, but\nI guess what I should have said is that I was\npulling about as hard as I dared pull at the time.\nI guess I could have pulled another few pounds,\nbut I hated to apply more than was needed on"
  },
  {
   "n": 164,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p164.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\n~CYEFTTTAT\nthere because of the lack of confidence in the\nstrength of it.\nEverything I had was in it over there .\nI was\npulling down with my legs as hard as I could and\noperating.\nI was pulling on the handle .\nI\nremember one< time you said , \"Hey don ' t pull on\nthat handle so hard ! You're going to break it! \"\nI was cautioning you to take it easy, which you\ndon't usually have to do.\nThis was when we were yelling HEAVE!\nI was\nheaving on the handle as I was pulling it down\neach time . It felt like to me that the handle\nwas giving.\nBut I didn't give a darn! If it\nbroke, it was going to break.\nSo o:\".e of the\npoints we learned out of this was we'd like to\nsee the bar and lanyard strengthened.\nLet me say one thing about the decision to go\nahead and open up the latch.\nI f we hadn ' t done so\nmuch work together with this hatch and run t hrough\njust about every problem that we could possibl y\nhave had , I would have decided to leave the hatch\nclosed and skip the EVA when we first started\nhaving trouble with it .\nWe had encountered j , .st\nevery conceivable pr oblem that we could possibly\nCONffDENl~"
  },
  {
   "n": 165,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p165.jpg",
   "text": "157\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nhave with that hatch. If it failed we'd know\nexactly what it was.\nThat ' s right.\nI personally had disassembled\nthis cylinder and piston and spring combination\nup at McDonald prior to the altitude chamber, so\nI knew exactly what it was made of.\nI am sure\nthe problem was t hat the dry lubrication coag­\nulated, or whatever a dry lube does, and was\ncausing the piston to stick. I knew how we could\ndo this thing.\nCarl Stone and I\nhad dismantled\nit and put it back together, cleaned it out, put\nit back together, relubricated it , put it back\ntoget her, and i t operated fine.\nI figured out\nhow to make the t hing work with it not working\nproperly by using your finger as the spring.\nThat ' s the exact technique we had used.\nI f we hadn't had the training together that we\nhad , and had not encountered all these problems\nbefore, I know darn well I would have decided\nnot to open the hatch.\nMaybe we wound overdramatic about the effort we\nmade getting me back i n, and I 'll honest ly say\nit ' s one of the biggest efforts I ever made in\nmy life, but I don't think we were all done then.\nCONFIE>ENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 166,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p166.jpg",
   "text": "158\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nThere were a lot of things we could do.\nWe could have gone around several orbits working\non cl osing the hatch.\nThat wasn ' t the last time\nwe were going to get a chance to close it .\nSo ,\nthere were things left if we understood , and\not her procedures we could have used to go ahead\nand close it .\nWhen we got it cl osed back in, I\nwas completely soaked wasn ' t I?\nYes .\nYou were really bushed .\nSweat was just pouri ng down.\nIn fact , I could\nhardl y see . It was in my eyes .\nSo I told you, \"Just sit ther e and I ' ll get a\nr epr ess .\nDon' t even move for 30 minutes .\"\nI just left the r epress valve wher e it was .\nI\nclosed the vent valve and we had a lot of in••\nstructions from the ground to close the water\nseal and e. A1ole bunch of other things that didn't\nmake any sense to me .\nI knew that the spacecraft\nwas repressurizing.\nI watched .\nThere wasn ' t\nanything else ttat we had to do right then , and\nwe were both bushed, especially Fd.\nHe was\nperspir'.ng so that I could hardly see him inside\nthe fact plate .\nSo, I just said ,\"You sit there\nand I ' ll sit here and we'll just coast around.\nCOl<IFIDEt•cFFi:A\"l."
  },
  {
   "n": 167,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p167.jpg",
   "text": "159\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n~Ot~ftf)·ENT* L\nWhen we get the thing repr essurized , we'll start\ndoing something.\" That was exactly what we\ndid. I did finally extend the HF antenna and t ry\nto call somebody on HF and let them lmow that we\nwere back in safely and that the t hing was re­\npressurizing.\nI didn ' t get any response until we\ngot to CE:.r \".arvo·1 , which was about three minutes\nl ater.\nI called and told them that we were re­\npressurizi ng and had the hatch closed.\nYou lmow, that was some pretty good gage reading\nthat we saw when we got the first 1/2 psi.\nThe first 1/2 psi. Ha! Ha!\nThat was really a big one.\nSince we ' ve described\nthe whole operation we 'd like to go back now\nand specifically point out the pieces of equip­\nment that we used and our opinions of them, a few ·\nfeatures that came out loud and clear to us i n\noperation, general conclusions on EVA as an\noperation, and what we have to 10 to make it an\noperational procedure. So the first thing I ' ll\ndo is go down through the equipment.\nAs an\noverall comment on the equipment, I would say I\nfelt very confident the equipment i,:ould do the\njob.\nAnd without question the equipment performed"
  },
  {
   "n": 168,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p168.jpg",
   "text": "160\nieeJI\\JFID~NitAt\n11.s it was <dvertised . It performed just exactly\nas it hsd been designed .\nThere wasn ' t one thing\non t hem as f ar as the VCM , the umbil ical, t he\ngloves , the gun , and the visor that didn ' t\nperform just exactly as it had been designed .\n·1. 111 take them all one piece at a time , and dis­\ncuss them a little .\nI ' ll start right with the\nvisor . The visor was a rather controver sial\npiece of equipment from the beginning.\nAnd I,\nfor one , doubted a little bit t he necessity for\nquite the pr otection t hat we were providi ng,\nalthough I had helped right from the beginning\nin the design wi th some of our ideas on the viso~\nIt turned out though , and I commented on this\nduring the t i me that I was out , that I was very\nhappy to have the visor, I was able to look\ndirectly into the suniight .\n1 did so in instal••\nling the camer a on t he back of the adapter .\nI\nfelt that the vision out of the visor , was about\nas it would be on a normal sunn;,r day.\nThis is\nbecause it is so br ight up there in space .\nI\nfel t\n2:>.s if my vision was what I would consider\nnormal .\nI was looking at the different parts\nof the spacecraft and down at the ground, and\nctJtffibEM I IAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 169,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p169.jpg",
   "text": "-\n161\nMcDivitt\n6€01>-JFIO.ENTl.4 L\nthe view that I received at this time vas what I\nwould expect on a normal sunny day.\nI was cer­\ntainly glad to have the visor and I left it down\nthroughout EVA .\nI think on a later flight we\nmight recommend going ahead and lifting the\nvisor and observing any changes we might see in\nvisual acuity when looking down at the ground .\nthe ground vision through the visor really\ndidn't seem to me to be degraded at all. Eviden­\ntly just the intensity, and not what I was seeing,\nwas cut down.\nLet me comment a little bit on that visor .\nI\ndidn ' t have a visor and the bright sunlight that\nwas in the cockpit didn't seem to bother me.\nimagine that the visor turned out just like a\npair of sunglasses.\nYou go outside on a normal\nd~y and wear a pair of sunglasses . If you\ndon' t have them, you ' re squinting. But if\nyou start out without them you tend to get\naccustomed to it. I think I was accustomed to\nwhat light there was coming through the space­\ncraft , admittedly much less than that outside.\nF,d was accustomed to the sun visor and it turned\nout just like two people with and without\n,O~fi&EN+IAl­\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 170,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p170.jpg",
   "text": "162\nC~l'IFIOeNllAL\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nsunglasses. They both could have adapted.\nI\ndidn't look into the bright sun straight ahead.\nWell, the first time I looked into the bright sun,\nthe first thought I had was, \"Boy!\nAm I glad\nI 've got this vis::>r on!\"\nI know you mentioned it on the radio.\n--because I was looking right atraig-ht into the\nsun. I had to look into it t o attach the camera\nonto the a:iapter section.\nI d-:m' t normally\nwear sunglasses.\nAs you know, Jim, I have never\nworn sunglasses very much , and I didn't n::>tice\nit from then on, through·~ the t Lme I was out.\nI hail n::> impulse whatever to lift my visor.\nMy\nvision was a.s clear as I co·..i.ld have expected it\nto be without the visor. There are a few design\npoints in the visor that we could make better and·\nI'll briefly go into them right now.\nWhen you\nare seated in the spacecraft one visor slips up\nunderneath the other a~d back along the back of\nyour helmet, so th~t instead of resting on your\nhelmet on the headrest you're resting the visor\no~ the headrest.\nYou certainly aon't want to do\nthat. The visor should be restrained in some\nmanner from slipping up along the back of the"
  },
  {
   "n": 171,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p171.jpg",
   "text": "163\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nhelmet.\nAlso, my visor was quite difficult for\nme to raise and lower.\nOnce it was dowr it fit\nquite snugly, for which I was happy.\nBut it was\ndifficult for me to raise and lower. It was\nactually a two-handed operation, which is one of\nthe reasons why I didn't raise it outside;\nalthough, I had no impulse to raise it when I was\noutside. I think that we might be able to design\nthem to be raised up and down more easily.\nLet me make a comment on that visor.\nI never\ndid see any need for the little lexion visor.\nThat's exactly the point I was going to get to\nnext.\nI think that one single visor made as\nclose to the helmet liner as possible, p~oviding\nthe maximum amount of headroom and a minimum\namount of interference, is what we actually need.\nI don ' t believe we need that lexion outer visor.\nAs they pointed out to us, it doesn't really\nprotect, because it bows in a.~d it doesn't\nreally give you the protection th~t it should\nbe affording. I would recommend one visor, one\nsun visor only. It'll be simpler to operate.\nI think so, too.\nOkay.\nThe ·v;ntillation Control Module, I can say\nCO ►~f JE>EN+IA..L"
  },
  {
   "n": 172,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p172.jpg",
   "text": "164\nWhite\nWhite\nCQtqflOr:NTl\"L\nwithout qualification, worked exactly as it was\nplanned to work. There was not one complaint\nthat I had with it. It provided me with the\nproper flow.\nThe flow was lass than with the\nno.:-mal ECS suit system, but it was adequate to\nkeep me cool and ventilated, except for two times\nduring the flight. Those times were when I\natta~hed the camera right before departing the\nspacecraft and reenterdngthe spacecraft. But\nI think it performed without fault.\nThe umbilical was another item that I thought\nperformed its part of the flight quite well.\nhad no complaints about it. I did tend to get it\ntangled up with the bag and the strings that were\nattached to the bag during EVA.\nI am very thankful that we decided to design the\ngloves in the manner in which we did, the two­\npiece glove that was easily donned or doffed\nunder pressurized conditions.\nAs it turned out,\nI took them on and off twice while pressurized.\nI was quite happy that we had them designed in\nthis manner.\nAs it turned out, the heat on t he\nside of the spacecraft, or the cold on the side\nof the spacecraft when we ca.:ne out of the dark\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 173,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p173.jpg",
   "text": "COl<tFtOf:M'f lA'i.\n165\nside , were not noticeable to the touch at all .\nI\ndidn't use a right hru1d thermal glove at any time\nduring the flight .\nI took it off w~en I was\nopening the l'.e.tch and, as I pointed out earlier,\nit floated off during the EVA operation.\nI didn ' t\nhave opportunity to use it again if I had wanted\nto. Coming back i n we had difficulty closing the\nh~tch, and I , at this time , removed my left hand\nglove and used the plain pressure s-.1it gloves\nfor this operation .\nThe press'.lre suit gloves\nwere comfortable .\nIn fact , there were no sen­\nsations of either hot or cold through my gloves .\nWhite\nTh: gcU1 , I think , was an outstanding point in\nthe flight, a highlight of the flight . It\nworked just as we had felt it would work and it\nwas , I felt , simple to operate .\nThe training\nt hat I had. on the air-bearing platform provided\nme adequate orientation in the use of the\nspace gun.\nI think that now that we have a little\nmore t ime to prepare ourselves for the next time\nwe use this gun, t raining with it on zero-g\nflights would be appropriate .\nI don ' t believe\nwe will have any t rouble using it in the zero-g\naircraft .\n• COt«lf tf)[NTIAl ¥"
  },
  {
   "n": 174,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p174.jpg",
   "text": "166\n, CONflDE~ff~At-\nWhite\nOne mistake lhat we made o~ our E'fA equip~ent\nwas the rno·.mting of the Co, tarex camercl. .\nThis\ncamera s):-iould h,•,ve been attached by velcro to Ill:) ,\ns o that I could use it independently of the gun .\nIt W'.)Uld have been easier for m,3 to us9 and I\nwould have had a nnlch higher probability of\ngetting satisfactory pictures with it . It was a\ncase of lumping too mu~h together--vJtting tha\ng-~n and the camera together .\nWhite\nThe attachinAnt of the VCM to the h~rness was\na good type of attachment . It was easy to dis­\nco~nec'\nLhe two velcro attachments anti move\nthe che~t pack in and out .\nI hai to do this\nboth when I opened the sp:1.cecraft hatch, so it\nwould clear the hatch handle, a,d I had to ~)ve\nit out of the way when I cl osed the spacecraft\nand p~mp~d the hatch handle .\nWhite\nNow we can get into some concl usions . While I\nwas out , I decided to put a piece of velcro strip\non the side of the adapter to see if later on we\nmight use this as a method for attaching i tern:, on\ntha outside of the spacecraft , if the velcro was\nstill there and if it was in good shape .\nI think\nthe velcro could be madeintoc.. very useful item for\nco~~Fi0£N-l1Al­"
  },
  {
   "n": 175,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p175.jpg",
   "text": "167\na type of tether. I think you m.ight even be able\nto do something alo~g the line of just having\nsome fenale velcro on the gloves and pieces of\nthe male velcro at points along th~ adapter.\nThis might provide us at least some attach:nents\nso th~t we could maneuver o'.lrselves back to the\nadapter sect.i.oP..\nThis wo'.lli be about the sim•­\nplest kind of handle that we could use.\nI do\nbelieve that we need some type of handles on the\noutside of the spacecraft .\nJim suggested one o~\nthe nose and in the cover on the R & R section\nup there .\nI think this is an area that we cer­\ntainly have a possibility of using.\nI certainly\nwould have found it useful.\nI woul d still be a\nlittle h~sitant, though , o.f breaking the an­\ntenna.\nYou wo'..lld want to be sure that this\nwouldn't be hroken during EVA .\nI think the\nfeeling I had o'..lt there, again, was like\nholding onto an 8-foot tree .\nThere wasn't any­\nthing to hold onto.\nYou definitely need some\nkind of hand- holds .\nThe decision to leave the\nhatch open was one of the best decisions that\nwe made . It provided me with a center of oper­\nations for my work.\nI was able to stabilize my­\n€Ot ◄ FIDEN--lJAI"
  },
  {
   "n": 176,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p176.jpg",
   "text": "168\nMcDivitt\nself by holding onto the hat ch. It was also\nsurprising to me how much force it took to open\nthe h.:i,tch the first time against the p·!'eload and\nthe actuaters , due to the seals.\nOne other very\ngood decision was to have me wear the heavy suit\nand Jim the light suit.\nI think thi~ was one\nof the thine-s that made our opera.tio;1. easier. It\ncertainly m~de my getting back in the spacecraft\na::1d Jim's assista.1ce in closing the h;~tch much\neasier for him ,\nHlso , I was handing him things\nin a\"'.ld out .\nHe was performing quite a bit\nof coordination in the operation with pieces\nof equ.ipt1ent thA-t were going in 'ind o·.1t of the\nspacecraft , and I l:>elieve t hat by being in\nthat 1ight s:.ii t he ·11as able to do this tni.1,::h\neasier than if he had been in a heavy suit .\nI might make a comment on that suit, too.\nWhen\nwe opened up t he hatch we were in~ vacuum.\nn::iticed that the temperature of thA suit dropped\nslightly so thci.t the suit was a little bit\ncooler inside .\nI was w)ndering if I was going\nto get too cold through the suit, but the rest of\nthe time we were out the the temperature never\nchanged .\nI don ' t remember looking ~t the suit\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 177,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p177.jpg",
   "text": "169\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\ninlet temperature, but the suit itself stayed\nreasonably warm.\nI had sun in the cockpit and I\nhad the cockpit open w:i.thout the s1.m iii it for a\nrel.:1.tively long period of time, four or five\nminutes at a time. This didn't seem to affect\nmy temperature inside the suit.\nI think you felt the temperature more than I did.\nI felt the temperature go down, rather than up.\nI felt that also while outside.\nI would say\nH was lery co::nfortable figu.re.\nI figure that I\nwas probably at 68 degrees temperature out\nthere inside the suit , which was cooler than I\nhad been anytime during the flight . It wasn't\na cold feeling, just a very natural comfortable\ntemperatnre .\n~uit inlet temperature was running about 55\ndegrees during most of the flight . It got d•:>wn\naround 52, s0 it probably might have even been\ncooler than yo'ir 68.\nWel l, it was cooler insi1e the suit when I was\noutsi:ie the spacecraft thn.n at any other time\nduring the flight . It wasn't uncomfortably cool\nthere at all.\nI t hink that we can go on with some co::1clusions ."
  },
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   "n": 178,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p178.jpg",
   "text": "170\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nSome conclusions that I had were:\n1.\nI didn ' t notice any extremely hot temperatures\non the outside of the spacecraft .\nI al so\ndidn' t co~tact surfaces for any period of\ntime to tra~sfer much in the way of a hea~\nload to any part of my suit including the\ngloYes .\n2. There I s a de.fi·-iite req-.ii rement for som(3 type\nof hand holds outside the spacecraft .\n3.\nWe should think a little more o~ where we want\nto operate during EVA and where to attach\nthe tether .\nThe tether was not attached at\na po.int that wo·.1ld provide me the capability\nto operate in the area that I wanted to .\nYou coul dn't get to the nose. It p.i:-ovided great\noperatio~ for directly above.\nStraight above.\nI just don ' t know how you would get the thing\nout there .\nYou would have to run it along the\nspacecraft , then attach it somewhere at thfi\n\"\nfront .\nIt would preclude operations in other areas.\nYou\nwould either have to accept ,,,here we a.re going\nto operate or-- ."
  },
  {
   "n": 179,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p179.jpg",
   "text": "171\n€0~4FIOENT+AL\nM.oDiv:itt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n·::·ou conld have n::..lt iple attachment points around\nthe spacecraft .\nOf course , now , if you have a g-..m with a good air\nsour0e, I wouldn't particularl y care where it\nwas attached .\nI thi.nk you could go ahead a..'ld,\nmaneuver to a:ny point you want if you have a gun.\nAgain, when you're p~shing off of surfaces , you\ntend to go perpendicular to the surface from\nwhich you push off.\nI found when I p·.lshed as\nhard as I wanted to I'd still tend to go straight\nup above that hatch instead of ou t toward the\nfron·~.\nI think this is a fairly obvious con­\nclusion, but it proved out .\nEverytime I pushed\noff I went straight up instead of at an angle\nto the surface where I wanted to go .\nSo!lle thi.ag that you should bear in mind is that\nyo•.1 were pushing off fro!ll the front whi.ch\ntended to make the front go down as you went\nout .\nYes.\nEverything was working against getting\nwhere I wanted to go.\nEverything I did tended\nto put me up.\nWhen you started you went in a straight li.ne\nforward and tended to p~sh the spacecraft down."
  },
  {
   "n": 180,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p180.jpg",
   "text": "172\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCO ►J Flf)fNf1M\nI think, initially, where I was holding the\nattitude, yo'J. didn't have that much trouble.\nOf\ncourse, you weren ' t pushing 13.S hard ei·~her, be­\ncause you had the gun .\nNo , I wasn't .\nLater on , when we started free drifting, you\nw,~re ba~k behind m~J where I couldn' t see.\nDid you feel me stomping around back on the\nadapter and hitting the adapter.\nWeil, I felt you hitting things back behind me\nand once you went behind the line thEit was dir­\nectly over'.,.ead the spacecraft.\nl cottldn' t see\nyou t hrough your open hatch.\nI never reaEy had a good co.!ltact with the\nadapter back there .\nJust as -:,.r,21 l .\nWe W':r:.ildn ' t want to disturb those •\nradiator tubes too much .\nNo,\nWell, now that we 're back, we'll have some\nconclusions on the adapter area.\nI made it a\npoint right from the beginning -~o take\na look at the thermal lines , the thermal p~int\non the adapter. It looked like it was in good\nshape . It was all there. There was discolor­\nation arou.~d the attitude thrusters , particularly,\nGONFIDEt>ilTIA!"
  },
  {
   "n": 181,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p181.jpg",
   "text": "173\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nfrom the thrusting. The color of the thrusting\nis just like the RCS thruating--nice and clear\nplume. It looked lik~ from o~tside, thu\".lgh, that\nI could see a lot more of the plume than I could\nwhen I w~s sitting inside the spacecraft looking\nout at the RCS thrusters firing.\nAgain, the\ncam,era was not attached in a.n opportune ma.n'ler\nto operate.\nWhich camera? The camera on the spacecraft?\nI'm really after that camera on the gun.\nThat\none wasn't attached gooa.\nThe cam-era on the spacecraft was okay. It was a\nlittle difficult to attach because of the\nattach'Dent on the bottom of it .\nYou can't have\nit at any angle to make it engage. It has to\nbe perfectly flat with the mounting plate on the\nbottom.\nA big co:!1.clusion that I came to-- and\nI' 11 see how you feel ab.:mt this one, Jim --I\nfeel that storage in the back of the adapter\nsection wa:s certainly a very high priority for\nl ater missio:!1.s .\nI feel that we can adequately\nstore eq·.1ipment in the adapter area, particularly\nlarger pieces of equipment that we don't have\nroom for in the crew station or pieces we don't"
  },
  {
   "n": 182,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p182.jpg",
   "text": "174\nco~~FIDENllAb-..\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nhave particular use for in the early part of the\nflight . If we ca~ lick the p~oblems in opening\nand closing of the hatch, we can store equipment\nin the back of the adapter section as a routine\noperation .\nThat ' s right .\nI think the extravehicul ar activ­\nities have proved to other people what we all\nready knew a long time ago--that 'FNA is quite\nsimple .\nI think the thing we ' ve got to iron out\nis the hatch opening and closing. This is\nreally our. problem.\nI don ' t think you or I will\never have any doubt about the extravehicular\nactivity.\nThat was , I thought , going to be\npretty straightforward . It looked like to me it\nwas pretty straightforward.\nI felt that I could operate equipment 01.1t there.\nI co,1ld assemble equipment .\nI could put pins\nin, pull pins o~t, and screw thLngs in.\nI did\nall these things during the flight.\nI tu.rn~d th.a\ngun ::m , a::i.d I put i n the pin to operate the um­\nbilical guide .\nI attachad the camera.\nI don ' t\nthink yo~ could do these operations very effect­\nively with big heavy gloves on.\nAlth:>Ugh my\ngloves oper ated satisfactorily, I think that for\nCONFl0-Et+T-tAl­"
  },
  {
   "n": 183,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p183.jpg",
   "text": "175\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nassembly of i terns you wa.---it to have ....--you ought to\nlook into the glove area a little more thoro'.lg'hly\nanii try to get a piece of a glo-re ·,1ith so:ne\ntype of a surface that will give us some heat\nprotection and gives us a high sensitivlty of\nfeel through it .\nThe big conclusions , the final\nco~~lusions , that I ' d like to draw are that EVA\ncan be made a normal routine operation if the\nfollowing modificatio~s are made to the space­\ncraft :\n1.\nThe highest priority is that the spring back\nthere on the gain lug has convicted itself\nand I don't believe that that's a good design.\nThere should be s:>me way ths.t either the l ub­\nricatio:?1 is :nA.de foolproof or the spring mH.de\nstronger .\nI think what we really want to say here is that\nthe locking mechanism is inadequate as it is ,\ncompl etely inadequate .\nUntil i t is fixed , I\nthink we should take it easy.\nTh11.t 1s right .\nI think we almost had a bad experi­\nm:,e with ths.t gain thing.\nWe knew about it ahead\nof ti.me .\nWe thought we had it fixed, but it ' s\nnot fixed .\nI think it convicted itself and it's\n,oMftOf:NllAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 184,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p184.jpg",
   "text": "176\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nguilty and it has -Lo be fixed.\n2.\nI recommend that at least the egress kit on\nthe right of the crew compartment be remo·red\nto provide more room in the spacecraft .\nsee no reason for it being in t here.\nI think\nit wo•.1ld be worth the effort a~d the ajdition-­\nal money to p.rovlde the extra room .in the\nspacecraft.\nSo , my second recommendation ,::m\nEVA is to remove the egress k.Lt, at least\nfrom the right -hand side, to provide more\nhead room.\nYes, that ' s good.\nI might add that it ' s a good\nthi.ng that we had that egress kit modified- to\nthe m:i.nimu.11 height, because without that we would\nhave been in deep trouble.\nThat's right.\nYes .\nYou and I had been telling each other t hat\nthat was the biggest thing we did on our whole\nnine months prior to the f l ight- -to get that\nthing cut rlown .\nI ·t1.1ink it sure paid for itself\non ou:r. flight .\n3.\nMy third item is to make the bar and lanyard\ncompletely foolproof in strength.\nThat was a\ndevice that provided us with the added force\nGet:Jf:IDENJ]A-1:­\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 185,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p185.jpg",
   "text": "177\n07COt~ft0ENftAL\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nwe !leeded to close the hatch, just as we sat\nthere and said we might need during the SAR\nof thfl spacecraft in St . Louis.\nI think the\nattachrnl'9nts of the bat' and the cable to the\nspacecraft sho~ld probably be at least doubled\nin strength, so there just isn 't any question\nin the pilots' minds or the engineers' minds .\nI guess the eng:ineers were co::winced that\nyou didn ' t have Jim and I co!'lvinced that those\ntw~ attachme!lt points--.\nWe've seen it break too many times, I think.\nWe've broken the bar and we've broken that\natta::)hn:ent point. I ha::!. actually physically\ntwisted the attachment right off the spacecraft\nup in the zero-g airplane.\nI certainly wouldn't\nhave put my full strength into it if I knew\nmy life depended on that attachment. It should\nbe ma.de absolutely foolproof.\nWell , that was t l,'.e point I was trying to make\nearlier when I said I was pulling as hard as\nI could.\nThen I said that I really wasn't\npulling as hard as I was capable of.\nYou did::1 1 t have confidence in that attachment.\nI didn't really think that I shouln p~ll O!l it"
  },
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   "n": 186,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p186.jpg",
   "text": "178\n€0NflDENitM\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nany harder .\nNo .\nI think that shouli be t he third recommen­\ndation and it should be corrected .\nI think we could spare a couple of extra po1.1.-.ida\nof weight there , just for the pilots ' peace of\nmind .\nThat 's right .\nTake the time it takes to put a\nnew attachment on there .\nThey told us they\nd.idn ' t want to do it beca~lse they ' d have to re­\nrig it .\nI ·~hink t hey ' d better re-rig it and take\nthe tim~ to put a good attachment o~ there.\n4. The final thing really doesn ' t fit in with\nthe first three recommendations , but I would\nsure like to have the opportllnity to use that\ngun 9gain with about a 10-times supply of\noxy~n in a great big canister. I think\nthat maybe this is one of the items wa could\ncarry in the back of the aiapter. We could\nuse a small supply to provide t ~e means to\ngo back there to get a great big canister.\nThen we ' d have a :mit that we co'.lld actually\ndo some maneuvering with.\nThat ' s r ight .\nI think that , in essence, we\nproved the usefulness of a self-stabilized or a\n~OENflAl"
  },
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   "n": 187,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p187.jpg",
   "text": "179\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi.te\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\neQN=F19-ENTIAL\nman-stabilized maneuvering unit-­\nYes .\n- -rather than o.na that is gyro-stabilized with\nautomatic stability features.\nI think that al­\ntho'.lgh you did·'.1 1 t burn up a lot of fuel , you\ncertainly p~oved the feasibility of this type\nof ma.neuveri ng unit .\nWe had a1 awfully small amcr.1i.'1t .\nWe j..lst had the\n6 feet/second-­\nWe p~oved, in my mind, that I had the capability\nto go .fr om Point A t::> Poi nt B with that mr1.neuver­\ning U.\"lit .\nLet me ask you thi8 question, a..\"ld be ho::1est about\nit .\nWould yo'.l detach yo'..lr tether and _go without\ni.t? Don ' t be too optimistic , because other\npeople ' s lives may depe::1d on it.\nI think that we probably have not done enough\ninvestigati on to do that at this time, but I\nfeel we are p:.:-ogr essing toward the point .\nWe\nmade the first , say 50 percent, of th~ step\ntoward being able to detach the tether and go.\nI don ' t believe that I wouli deta:::h the tether\naJld 5o ·,.ii.th that 6 feet/seco::1d-- .\nOh, no .\nI didn' t mea.\"l t hat .\nI mean with that\n-,Qt\\lFtDENflAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 188,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p188.jpg",
   "text": "180\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nMcDivi tt\nWhite\ntype of a unit .\nIf T had some more !:::,,V\nin a U:'lit like that I\nthink that I would be ,.:illing t o detach myself\non the next fli.gh t , right n::>w , fr,Jm the space­\ncraft and go .\nThat ' s com'bined with tw-) things,\nyou see . You h<1:ve two th.ings working for you.\nYou have the capability to maneuver yourself ,\nand if you should get out of control the space­\ncraft still has the capability to come over a~d\nget close en::>'.lgh so that you could get yo\".1.c-self\nbaGk .Ln control and get in the spacecraft .\nI think that 40 or 50 feet/second would be a\nminim'.l.,n.\nI hnd 6 and I ' d like to see, pcobably,\na capability of about 10 times that .\n_That may\nbe a little--.\nIt ' s diffi~ult. I wo~ld think it would be\ndifficult to fix a number on it until you fixed\nthe jo'b .\nYes .\nIf you want;ed to go to som.-1thing that was 1::> feet\ng;way and come back, you ' d probably get by with\n20 feet/second .\nIf I wa-:1ted to get out of the spacecraft and g•>\nalong to the back of the a:lapter and get in the\n~ONftDENTIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 189,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p189.jpg",
   "text": "181\nMcDivitt\nWhi.te\ncor~FIDENTI QJ.,.\nadapter without being attached to the space­\ncraft, I ' d only need two or thr-ee time the\na'.'llount . I'd be happy co go with that.\nThere are some problems in th,~ capability to\nalin9 on,3 1s self onto an object .\nI think chasing\nthe booster around points this o~t.\nYou say you'd\nbe willing to go away becaur-Je the spacecraft\ncan oome and g~t you.\nAdmittedly it can, but\nkseping in mind the difficulty wa had with th9\nbooster . I don' t really an~i~Lpate us ever get­\nting into the situat Lon like that beca~1se ;rou I d\nnever get so far away that you're in different\norbits, like we were with the booster--.\nWhat I vis·,.1al i.ze is a 25 to 50 foot operation\nwhere you' re goL'lg ou.t to investigate ei-l:her\na..\"lot~1er spacecraft or another satellite up there,\nor making a trans.fer similar to the type of trans­\nfer that we visualize as a backup mode for Apollo.\nI think with the gun I had, if tbc LEM and the Com­\nmand Module were there , I'd be satisfi ed, .i,0 d9part\nthe Command Module aJ.l.d maneuver over to the\nLEM situated 10 t0 20 feet away from the Comma·'ld\nModule.\nI feel I coul::l io that at the present\ntime.\nI d:m ' t think it would be a very smart\n-=cot~FH)ENT+Ab­"
  },
  {
   "n": 190,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p190.jpg",
   "text": "182\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nthing at the pcesent time to go m~neuvering off\n200 to 300 feet away from the spacecraft with\nthis type of device. I , think this device is\ndesigned and has its greatest usefulness in close\noperation around the spacecraft .\nThat ' s right. There is no need to maneuver off\nabout 4-00 or 50-0 feet away because if you want\nto go that far, use the spacecraft. This gun\nis for a close working job .\nI think it's a valuable tool in this manner.\nOkay .\nThat's the same conclusion I came to .\nWe'd be willing to do it at close range .\nI ' d be willing to do it right now .\nI might not\ngo tell somebody else to god~ it , but I 'd\nbe willing, with the training that I had with\nit , to transfer 15 or 20 feet without a te'Lher.\nBut , I think we sho~ld spend mome more time ·..nth\nthe gu..-i .\nI think so , too .\nI also think it would be of value to go in the\nzero-g airplane with it .\nYes , I think so, too .\nI think the work that we might do in the z.aro- g\nairplane doesn't necessarily have to be done in\nCONFI0El'<JTl~t"
  },
  {
   "n": 191,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p191.jpg",
   "text": "183\nfull regalia, with all the pressut'e s·.lits in a.\npressurized ~onditio:n.\nI think we can go up\nthere and learn a lot abo\"..lt the gun wit ],.out\npr essure suits on, in a plain flying suit type\noperation. Perhaps polish the training off with\na 1i t tle ·,1or k in press'.l:rized S 0.lits. If yo\"..l work\nin the zero--g airplane with ':I. p:.-essurized su.Lt\nit ' s pretty awkward .\nWhite\nIn pitch and yaw I felt I could maintain effect­\niv~ly zero rates.\nI don ' t k:no·.., how it looked to\nyou Jim, but it looked like I could establ ish\na rate and take the rate out without too much\ntrou'ol~. The yaw is the lowest moment o.f them all,\nPitch was very easy, j''..lst to pitch the. th.ing ,1p\nand down .\nI ' m still a little suspicious of roll.\nThat's the area that I wo\"..lld like to look into a\nlittle more .\nI think that yo\"..l could get yo\"..lrself\ninto a kind of balled up situation with pitch,\nroll, and yaw all coupled up. It might take a\nlittle bit of fuel to get yourself straightened\nback out again.\nBut just in translating from\nPoint A to Point B, you could care less if you\nroll ed, as long as you kept pitch and yaw\nstraight .\nAnd that ' s why I say I think you can"
  },
  {
   "n": 192,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p192.jpg",
   "text": "184\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ntranslate and correct pitch a.'1d yaw -,rery succes.s­\nfully and effectively forget about roll, just as\nwe do .in our reentries or our retros.\nThe questio~ is: Was there any problem with the\ng-..m of maintaining a fairly well stabilized at­\ntitude and sti11 get my tra~sla.tion inP'.it? I\ndid this actually three different times and this\nwas what I had done when I was coming back to\nthe spacecraft the last time.\nI had to put in\nboth pitch and yaw and had ta..~en them out and\nI was coming back.\nI was going to fire my last\nthrust to·,mrd the spacecraft.\nI got a little\nburst.\nI could feel a little bt'..rat and than\nit petered out .\nB-:it you can put a tra.-isl.~tion\nin. I was also s~rp~ised that I was able to stop\nat the time I tried to stop it out there about one\nhalf or two-thirds of the way out on the end of the\nlanyard .\nIt seemed to stop pretty well. It was\neither the gun or the lanyard dampening me . It\ndidn ' t dampen me in roll, so I think it was the\ngun that actually did it.\nI think that this previous bunch of words just\nspoken covers a lot of de tail, of the first\nthree or four orbits of our f l ight, and it covers\n'5~FIDEN-l~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 193,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p193.jpg",
   "text": "185\nMcDivitt\nthat first phase of mission sequen~es that I\nfirst mentioned.\nI think the next thing we\nshould do :;s go through the interim o~bits, about\n50 or 55 , or ho~ever many there were, where we set\nabo~.1t to save up enough fuel to do soJ1ething con­\nstructive, to check on our orbit to see what it\nwas, to see how we were d,3caying, what our life­\ntime expecta':lcy would be, and perform the exper­\niments that we'd initial ly set out to do on ~ur\nflight plan. Although, it's not going to be of\nmuch use to go through it in a chronological\nord.er, I suppose that is probably the best way.\nAs I just finished saying, we're not going to\nget a.'1 awful lot 0 1.1t of going thro·.1gh the flight\nplan sequentially, but we'll do it quickly and\nthen we ' ll co:ne back and discuss each experiment\no~ operation, check as entity in itself, a\"ld\nwe'll dis8uss the systems as an entity, too .\nWe ' ll do this, generally, in elapsed time .\nGoing back to the EJVA for J.1st one moment . I'd\nlike to say that the use of the ma'111al heaters on\nECS o bottle was abo'.lt two f ive-min1te periods\n2\nseparated by about 10 min:.ites.\nWe really\ndid~1.' t need an awful lot of ma.ni.lal heater when wa"
  },
  {
   "n": 194,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p194.jpg",
   "text": "186\neONF·roeNfl'At.'\nwere doing the extravehicular activity.\n4.3 Other Orbital Operations\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nLet's see . One thing that we did was to turn off\nthe ES Sensor at 6:35.\nYou have notes along here?\nI got all the Rensor stuff down, I think, pretty\nwell.\nOkay ,\nI have the ES Sensor and the Bio-Med\nRecorder No. 1 going off at 6:35,\nAt about 7 hours elapsed time, I checked the OAMS\nfuel remaining.\nWe had about 62 percent indicat­\ned, 2100 psi, and 88 degrees t emperature .\nWe\nkept getting our GO and NO GO checks as per\nflight plan. At about 7:30 Ed went to sleep.\nWe didn't do any lifetime adjust maneuvers.\nI\nturned the spectrometer-magnetometer on.\nThis\nwas while Ed was asleep.\nExtended the boom,\ngot the ES Sensor on, and we left the spectrometer-­\nmagnetometer on for three passes through the\n~outh Atlantic Anamoly.\nI couldn' t really see any\nincrease in the ammeter when we extended the\nthing.\nWe went through a number of extension\ncycles throughout the flight to make sure that\nwe got the thing out. At no time during the\nflight did we ever see a rise in the ammeter when"
  },
  {
   "n": 195,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p195.jpg",
   "text": "187\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nwe extended it .\nThe way it operates is, it has\nthree positions:\nEXTEND, OFF, and REI'RACT.\nI t\nwas in the OFF position and I put it to the EX­\nTEND position . Then I put it back to the OFF\nposition. Periodically, throughout 7-he flight\nwe put it to the EXTEND position and back to OFF\nto make sure that if it got screwed up the first\ntime that it would go on out. The first extension\nwas supposed to be with the spectrometer-magnetom­\neter on .\nSo, I checked to see the circuit\nbreakers were on, and they were on.\nI turned\nthe spectrometer-magnetometer on and then I ex­\nt ended the boom.\nAnd in this way the experiment­\ners hope to get some indication from the lines\nof force that they were picking up if the thing\nactually extended at that time .\nI hope t hey got\nit .\nIncidentally, you got a pretty good operation on\nthe swizzle stick,\nI was asleep and Jim was\ndoing that on my side .\nThat's right .\nI did it with the swizzle stick\nway over on Ed' s side. I didn't aline the\nplatform or anything.\nWe were in free drifting\nflight at this time .\nAs soon as we finished the"
  },
  {
   "n": 196,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p196.jpg",
   "text": "188\nMcDivitt\nWnite\nMcDivitt\n€01\\IFIDENfl~ l-\nEVA we went into free drifting flight .\nWe\npowered down the platf orm and the computer, shut\noff the attitude indicator lights--we went through\na complete power-down procedure .\nWe were really\ntrying to save bettery power, 0AMS fuel , and\neverything else we had .\nWe went on a complete\npower-down, down the checklist, and we just\ndidn ' t have anything on.\nAnd we stayed in this free drifting mode for about\ntwo days .\nThat right , Ed?\nCloser to 2 1/2 days .\nMostly for the first 2 1/2 days we were in a free\ndri fting mode .\nWe didn ' t do the platform aline­\nment and the translation at around 8:10--8: 20 in\nthe flight plan.\nWe did not obtain any booster­\nstar measurements .\nAs a matter of fact, I'd\nlike to comment on the booster-star sightings , or\njust the booster sightings .\nWe saw the l ights of\nthe booster definitely on the first pass as we\nwere tracking it .\nThe second pas~ RS Ed sai~\nhe saw them, and he said he was sure he saw\nthem because they were flashing .\nI was pretty\nsure i: saw what he was talking about.\nHowever, this\noccurred just at sundown.\nEvery other time at\nCOtfftOE~TI~"
  },
  {
   "n": 197,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p197.jpg",
   "text": "189\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nsundown we'd call out the booster a couple of\nmore times before we finally figured out that\nthis was not the booster, but a planet .\nOne or two times I'm fairly confident I saw the\nbooster.\nYou're pretty sure you saw it?\nYes.\nThat was the booster.\nWell, I was pretty confident that I saw it\nflashing, too .\nBut later on I watched th2,t star,\nthat particular planet, come up.\nI sat right\nthere and watched i t, and it flickered as it came\nup t hrough the atmosphere .\nYes, I agree with you.\nSo, it could have been that we were just really\nlooking for the booster and at that particular\ntime we looked out and saw this thing and it\nflickered.\nI spent one whole sunset doing\nnothing but keeping my eye out for that planet.\nSure enough it popped up and I saw it.\nBut, you know never flickered .\nIt flickered .\nI watched it as it flickered.\nIt flickered all the way up\nI watched the t hing\nas it set, and it flickered all the way down-­\nthe last at 10 degrees or so. This is exactly\n~Fif)ENTIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 198,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p198.jpg",
   "text": "190\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\neorqFIDENf~L\nwher e we thought we were seeing the booster ,\nright where it was low on the horizon, as you\nwould expect to see a booster .\nThat old thing\nwas flickering away like mad .\nI think that was Venus , too .\nIt was t he planet that was trai ling the sun by\njust a very slight amount .\nI made it a point\nto check during the remainder of the flight ,\ntwo or three times to see if that thing flickered\nas it came up. It really did.\nSo , the more I\nsaw it flicker the more I began to doubt that\nwe had really seen the booster on that second\npass . Maybe we did , and maybe we didn' t .\nWell, it's not really too impor tant .\nNo, it ' s not .\nBut the fact is , that little plan­\net was flickering away like mad.\nLet me ask you one more question about the flick­\ner.\nDid you see it coming up through the air\nglow? Was that where you felt it flickered?\nYes .\nEverytime it was above the air glow it was loud\nand clear to me .\nYes , except that you couldn' t see t he air glow\nas the sun was setting.\n-COMFID'ENT~"
  },
  {
   "n": 199,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p199.jpg",
   "text": "191\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nThat's right .\nInitially you saw the sun out there and you saw\nthis thing looking like it was flashing.\nOnce\nit got above the air glow, the planet did not\nflicker anymore. It was perfectly bright .\nVery hright .\nWhen we saw that thing that looked like the\nbooster, it was very low on the horizon. It\nalways popped out .\nRemember how that bright\nlight used to pop out? You'd have t he light\nsky and all of a sudden t here 'd be a bright\nlight there .\n\\Te saw that planet come up so many t imes during\nthe flight, I feel quite convinced that the\nfirst sighting or two weren't of the planet.\nWell, maybe it wasn't.\nActually, I continued to see the blinking on it\nafter the stars were out .\nWait , let ' s take a look and see which way the\nbooster would be .\nThe booster was bel ow us so\nit should be going out in front of us l ike mad .\nYou're looking into the sunset which was behind\nus .\nThe booster shouldn' t have been there.\nThe\nbooster should have been out to the fr ont of us .\nCO~ftl}ENTIAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 200,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p200.jpg",
   "text": "192\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n€9-NF~DENTIAt.­\nIt should have been in the opposite direction.\nI ' m : ot convinced which way we were looking.\nWe had to be looking to the rear.\nThe sun\nsets to the rear.\nWe had to be BEF to see the\nsun when it set .\nYou see, ;,,·ou ' re BEF to watch it\nset .\nWere we BEF for the full time or were we in free\ndrift?\nWe were in free drift but this was near the sun\nwhen this thing came out .\nNo , they always come out loud and clear when\nyou ' re away fr om the sun, when you' re looking\naway from the sun.\nYes .\nI lmow it , but at that one time when you\nsai d, \"There ' s the booster.\", you were looking\nat the sun.\nRemember , I had turned around?\nThey told us that they wanted us to be BEF and\nheads down when we opened up the hatch.\nThat ' s\nwhere we were .\nI turned around to be BEF.\nWe\nwere BEF when we saw that thing.\nWe'd better l ook at the tapes .\nI think we can\nprobably get better information on this when we\ncheck.\nI think we were even looking in the wrong dir­\neeNFIBENflAf"
  },
  {
   "n": 201,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p201.jpg",
   "text": "193\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\n~ ONFl(:)ENl~Al­\nection .\nThe next pass around I called out and\nsaid,\n111 see the booster on top at 9 o' clock,\nperpendicular to our flight path.\" I don ' t\nthink that ,.ias the booster either.\nIt's kind of academic.\nYes .\nThe reason that I broughtthe thing back up\nagain is I wanted to be sure it ' s brought out\nthat the planets are so clear and so bright,\neven far more brighter than they are looking at\nthem from the ground .\nLooking at them up there,\nit really is striking the first time you see\nthem. If we took a l ot of pictures of anything,\ni t was a pictl:re of that planet .\nSunrise and sunset .\nThe sunsets all had the\nplanet in it .\nThat ' s right.\nThat planet has always been there .\nVery pretty.\nIt certainly was .\nOkay, I got a call after Ed went t o sleep that\nwe were going to pass by myr.hnl\"r. :.:. u.:-o which\nwould be north of track, at 7:56.\nI wasn't sleeping.\nI heard it .\nDid you? Okay . Well , I didn't have any fuel to\ne-0NFl0ENf lAL-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 202,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p202.jpg",
   "text": "194\nGOt'4FIDENll:A:l\npoint the spacecraft at Typhoon Babe so that was\nthat .\nI f I had drifted around so I could see it,\nI was going to take a picture of it but I never\ndrifted around so I could see it .\nI just\npassed on by .\nA little bit later on, I was\ncall ed up and told that at 23:55 GMT my\nascending node would be at 83 degrees East an\nmy 6th Rev .\nThis was just a map update .\nI\nwas told I should eat at some particular time .\nI t hink it was 00 :15 t o 01:00 . It was\nalready past that time, so, I ate \\-1hen I felt\nlike it. The pilot was supposed to do a No .\n1 Aero-Med Pass at 02 17 43. This was the first\ninstance of us running into a case where a man\nwas supposed to do an aero-med pass when he\nwas asleep.\nThis continued on intermittently\nthroughout the flight .\nWhite\nIt seems like I was always asleep when I was\nsupposed to be doing an aero-med pass.\nMcDivitt\nThis continued on intermi ttently during the\nflight .\nAs the flight progressed, the doctors\ngot more coordiarted on the ground and we got\nmore coordinated with them to tell them who\nwas sleeping and how long we were going to be\n' Ctm:&¥«1'41'L"
  },
  {
   "n": 203,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p203.jpg",
   "text": "195\n..Ee~FlD'ENTIAl:.­\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nsleeping.\nWe had less requests for aero-med\npasses of guys that were sleeping.\nWe, in\ngeneral, refused to wake the other person up to\ndo an aero-med pass .\nWe were told by the\ndoctors and the flight planners on the ground,\nthat at 02 30 59 we were supposed to turn on\nD-8 .\nNow, I don ' t know why we had to have this\nto the nearest second.\nI was also supposed to\ngo to sleep at this time, to t he nearest\nsecond . It seemed a little academic to me.\nSo I\nw., !<e Ed up at 02:30 Greenwich Time.\nHe\nturned on the D-8 Experim~rut and I didn't\ngo to sleep until I did something else. I\nthink I had something to eat but I'm not real\nsure .\nBut I didn ' t get off to sleep right\naway .\nThen I told Ed he was supposed to turn\nthat MSC 2 and 3 off at 03 :00. I awoke at\n06:15 .\nBut what happened in between that\nelapsed tim~ Fil.?\nShoot, that's not right\n06: 15?\nI must have awaken -­\nAbout four hours is what you rad.\nRight.\nLooking through my notes here I see\nthat I wrote down \"Awake at 06: 15,\" and I"
  },
  {
   "n": 204,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p204.jpg",
   "text": "196\nI\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\ndidn ' t get to sleep at 2: 30 and Ed didn't\nwake me up at 6:1 5.\nSo I guess we were down\nfrom anywhere from 3: 30 and 4:30 .\nRight .\nYou slept approximately four hours .\nlet you go about 30 or 45 minutes after that\ntime of 6:15 , as far as getting you up. While\ny~1 were asleep, the things that I did:\nI\nbelieve that I had a meal which you had gotten\nout.\nI believe we had one before this, though.\nDi dn ' t we have one after EVA before I went to\nsleep? Or, did I just drink a lot of water and\ngo to sleep?\nNo , I think we had a meal before you went to\nsl eep .\nThat was my second meal that I had shortly\nafter I got up.\nI believe ihey called and\nasked me to give them an aero-med pass, which\nI don ' t have the time logged on.\nI imagine\nthe medics will have that.\nI ran through a\nD-8 Experiment at 02 30 59.\nThe MSC 2 and 3\nrecorders were supposed to come off at 3\no'clock, but I didn ' t turn them off til 04 19 40 .\nIt didn ' t seem like that was particularly\nimportant a:.-..yhow to get them off.\nI guess that's"
  },
  {
   "n": 205,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p205.jpg",
   "text": "191\nC6~+Fl,0EN:r+A-b\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwhy I didn.' t t:iL:k about it. I got\ninstruct ions from the ground to maintain the\noxygen pressure at between 930 and 960 with the\no2 High Rate .\nThis is the time I told them\nthat the Command Pilot was asleep and I ' d\nprefer to do it at a later time .\nI think they\ncalled me back a few times on it ; finallJ, when\nit got up to about 960 I went ahead and dumped\nit .\nIt scared me to death!\nThe o2 High Rate started filling the cabin up ,\npressurizing it up around 5.4. At 5,4 on the\nbutton the vent valve relieved and Jim about\ncame through the top of the hatch.\nI was there half asleep with my gl oves off, my\nvisor down , and a cover over .\nTrie cabin vented\nand the cabin pressur e dropped about 3/10\nof a pound.\nI knew that I didn ' t have my gloves\non and I figure ,\n\"Boy, I am going to have\nto get those gloves on in the next half a\nsecond or I'm going to be--\"\nHe didn ' t get his gloves on but he sure was\nthrashing around for a littl e while til I got\nhim the word.\nI didn ' t want to wake him up."
  },
  {
   "n": 206,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p206.jpg",
   "text": "198\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCOt'-f FIDEl>Jl.lAL\nI didn't want to wake him up.\nI was hoping it\nwould go through without waking him, but it sure\ndidn't .\nMan!\nIt liked to have scared me so bad I don't\nthink I went back to sleep.\nNo, you went back.\nYou slept better at the end of\nyour sleep cycle than at the beginning.\nSo you were trying to get to my end earlier.\nI think I did the other.\nI always slept best at\nthe beginning of my sleep.\nNo, I al..ra.ys slept best at the beginning.\nYou did too?\nThere was a period where I had to get to sleep,\nthen there was a period of solid sleep, sometimes\n15 minutes, sometimes an hour.\nBut after I went\nby that first bunch, then I was in a state of semi­\nwakeness .\nKind of like dopey, fitfull sleep.\nThat's the same\ntype of sleep I had , at least until the last time.\nOkay.\nThere really wasn' t anything else that went\non except a few tape dumps and an update for the\norbital plotboard.\nI found this to be very use­\nful.\nI used the plotboard to keep track of my\norbits , where I was during the first part of the\n~Otv4FIDEt'~TJAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 207,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p207.jpg",
   "text": "199\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nCUNFIDl:~L\nmission , exclusively. It was very accurate .\nYou\ncould check the times in the plotboard as against\nwhat you saw on the ground and you could locate\nyourself quite adequately.\nHow about you?\nWhile I 'm thinking about it, I thought the plot­\nboard information early in the flight was excellent.\nBut I thought that the plotboard i nformation at t he\nend of the flight was not correct .\nAs a matter of\nfact , I started ~o call them a couple of times , but\nI never did.\nBy the time I would get the stuff\nplotted , and get the map put where I wanted it , we\nwould be someplace else .\nI 'm sure that that in­\nformati on they were sending up to me wasn't right ;\nI ' d be off an orbit or two .\nAfter about the last day and a half, I used the\nnominal orbit plot maps exclusively. I could see\nthe time and the location.\nI\ncould spot it\nright with the ground.\nAnd I think I figured it\nwas seven minutes behind near the l atter part of\nthe mission.\nThis didn't bother me .\nI could tell\nhow far it was behind, and then update my position\non the map quite easil y . I thought those pre-plots\nwere real good.\nSo did I .\nI thought they were, too .\nBut I was a\nOONFIBENTIAL,"
  },
  {
   "n": 208,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p208.jpg",
   "text": "200\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nlittle disappointed with the map information at the\nend of the flight .\nI don ' t know exactly what was\nhap~ening.\nBut I ' m convinced that it wasn ' t right .\nAs a matter of fact, a couple of times I was even\non the wrong orbit .\nThey' d give me a time and a\nl ongi tude and I'd plot it. I wasn' t even over that\npart of the world.\nI'd be over a whole orbit from\nthat.\nJim, I made this mistake once , too.\nI was using my\nplotboard.\nI ' d plot evecything out a.nd I came\ndown in a place in Mexico at night, Tampico, Mexico.\nSo I told them something about seeing t his spot in\nMexico. T:!ey didn't pick up my mistake.\nI was back\nchecking over and I got to looking at my map and\nsaid, \"What the heck are we doing here at night?\"\nI was actually on the other side.\nI was clear\naround in Australia.\nHad you plotted east instead of west?\nNo, I don't think I did.\nI think I plotted it\ncorrectly.\nI went back and checked it and I never\ndid get the plot .\nI went on to do something else\nand I didn ' t get the plotboard squared away on that .\nBut I realized that instead of passing over Tampico,\nMexico, what I was really seeing on the ground was"
  },
  {
   "n": 209,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p209.jpg",
   "text": "201\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nSidney.\nYou only missed it by half the world.\nThat 's right.\nIt was exactly on the other side.\nBut not exactly.\nIt was about 120 degrees off.\nMine was something like this .\nOne that I remember\nspecifically--they gave me a map update and they\nwanted me to do a check over El Paso and El Centro.\nLooking at this I could see that if I was at the\nright time, I would have come up from the south;\nwhereas, my pass was down l ike this , and I\nwas an orbit or two off.\nWell then , we're not talking about the same thing.\nI think I had probably slipped it somehow on here.\nYou might have plotted 60 Fast instead of 60 West,\nor something like that.\nYes.\nBut I was off by a time fact or.\nIt w~sn ' t too hard to realize that Mexico wasn ' t at\nnight.\nI have a net! here that says , \"RKV tape dump and a\nNo. 1 Medical Pass on the Command Pilot at 07:02\nGMT.\"\nThat's right.\nAnd I got you up a few minutes\nbefore 07:00, if you recall .\nIn fact , just before"
  },
  {
   "n": 210,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p210.jpg",
   "text": "202\n~QNElDENll~\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivi tt\nWhite\nyou had to make your Medical Pass I woke you up ,\nSo I'd est imate that Jim got up around 6:55, just\nenough time t o transfer the equipment to him and\nlet him make his Medical Pass .\nAt 7:15 Greenwich Time I was supposed to eat.\nRight .\nAt 11:15 Greenwi ch Time I was supposed to\ngo back to s leep.\nI s that when you did?\nI don't even see that on\nhere .\nWhere it says \"Pilot sleep\".\nIs that a penciled- in note?\nTher e was just a seri es of instructions that we\ngot from them.\nOkay.\nGood, because I don ' t have that .\nIt doesn ' t really mean that ' s when we went to sleep\nbecause you know we did things somewhat out of\nsequence.\nAt 8:55 over the RKV we got a list of PLA's and\nCLA ' s .\nWas this one of' our first big batches of them?\nYou know, initially, we di dn ' t get too many of them,\nand then we started getting them on a very regular\nbasis throughout the flight .\nI thought that com­\nmunications of those was quite good , once we started ."
  },
  {
   "n": 211,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p211.jpg",
   "text": "203\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI have a list of notes here that say:\nRev 12\nwas over the RKV where we were supposed to get\nthe CLA's and PLA 1s.\nWe did.\nRev 13 was over\nCanary where we were supposed to have a C-Band\ntrack.\nI think that meant C-Band went to\nCONTINUOUS , but I'm not really sure. •\nThis is the time at about 17 or 18 hours that\nI called down and asked them how the tape dumps\nwere coming out, because we weren't holding\nany attitude for them.\nWe were holding nothing\nmore than a drifting attitude and I know that\nover some stations we were blunt-end-down and\nrolled upside down.\nWe were talking, I know,\nupside do~m to the stations and getting good\ntransmissions through. They came back and"
  },
  {
   "n": 212,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p212.jpg",
   "text": "204\nMcDivitt\nsaid all of the tape dumps to this time had\nbeen exce11en t .\nAt a GMT of 12 16 00 I got a comment : \"No fuel ,\nbut do a Flight Track Orientation. \" This is\nlike saying, drive from here t o ~he drug store,\nbut don ' t use any gasoline--a.~d don't take the\ncar.\nSo as I flopped over near around 12:16, I\nlooked down to the ground .\nWe could do a Flight\nTrack Orientation pretty well, considering that\nwe had this movable orbital map and we had a\npretty good idea of where we were going to be\nto start with so we could pick out where we\nwere.\nGot a map update at 10 17 49, ·73 degrees\nWest.\nA tape dump at Canaries on Rev 13 and at\nCarnarvon at Rev 14, Around 19 hours , I checked\non our orbit and it was 155.7 by 88.\nAt 11 52 43, turned the C-Band Adapter Switch\nto CONTINUOUS .\nAt 11 59 23 we turned it back\nto COMMAND .\nThis is Greenwich time.\nAll the\nstuff in the flight plan such as the Orbit\nNavigational Checks and the Apollo Landmark\nInvest igation were not done. We were doing tape\n-EQNFIDENTtAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 213,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p213.jpg",
   "text": "205\nEOt~FIDENf~L\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcD:i vit t\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\ndumps , medical data passes and that was a bout it .\nThe next M- 3 Experiment s wer e all par t of medical\ndata passes.\nI don't even lrnow why they ' re in the\nflight plan .\nI couldn ' t figur e that o:1t either.\nWe did an HF Check.\nCheck began at 16 58 30 GMT,\nand ran on t hrough 19 07 00 GMT; this included\nthe sunrise , sunset , day , night--all the HF checks\nand we' ll cover those in the experiment part of\nour debrief ing.\nDuring this period of 16 58 30 GMT to 19 07 00\nGMT , we did the HF Checks .\nOh, here it is!\nCommand Pilot asleep.\nWhere?\nAt 11 :45 Zulu. Pilot awake at 11 : 30,\nI do~'t\nknow when I went to sleep here .\nOkay.\nLet's check that some other time.\nOkay.\nIt'll take a long t i me to sort that out and I\ndon ' t think he needs that right away.\nAll right.\nI got Command Pilot asleep at 11 :45,\nOkay.\nI don't have me up or asl eep or anything.\nWhat I ' ve got here in my notes is , Ed to bed at"
  },
  {
   "n": 214,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p214.jpg",
   "text": "206\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi.vitt\nWhite\n20 :15, up at 22:15 , back at 23:15 ,\nThese are\nZebra times , I ' m sure .\nSo I don ' t know exactly\nwhat happened in there.\nWell , you ' re clear over on 24 now .\nOkay, you ' ve\nskipped the time when you were asleep.\nThat ' s r i ght .\nI don ' t have anythi ng on that .\nOkay, I have you going to sleep.\nI logged myself\nawake at 11: 30,\nCommand Pilot asleep at 11:45,\nThese are Greenwich times .\nIf you add 8:45 onto\nthat , it comes out 20 hours and 30 minutes ,\nelapsed time.\nYou gave me the instructions for\nthe C-Band adapter times .\nI did turn those on\nat 11 52 43 to continuous C-Band ori the adapter ,\nand at 11 59 23 to COMMAND .\nAlso during that\nperi od of time, I had been told to go ahead and\nrun Apollo L~ndrnark Investigation without any\nfuel .\nBut luckily, the spacecraft rotated right\naround as we came up to it and I was looking right\ndown at the junction of, I believe, the ... and\nthe White Nile.\nThat ' s right .\nThat was the first task we had of\nfinding something on the ground.\nYes , it r eally worked."
  },
  {
   "n": 215,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p215.jpg",
   "text": "207\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI t was no trouble.\nIt -really worked .\nThat was the one that I was\nprobably most famili ar with. It's such an obvious\none. It's out in t he middle of t he desert and\nit ' s t he intersection of the big Nile, where it\njunctions into two other sections, a little island\nand a northern tip of the island .\nI was able t o\npick the island up from the t i p quite clearly.\nI did take a couple pictures , I believe, of it ,\nbut we were just passing and I wasn ' t tracking.\nI did r eport that it was a good landmark and\nqui te easy to see .\nWe did get an instruction at this time to go to\nthe normal flight plan at 22 hours. This was\nsomething that was kind of hard to do .\nI don't\nt hink we really ever got back on much of a normal\nflight plan for the whole flight , but we did get\ninstructions at 22 hours elapsed time to r eturn\nt o our normal flight plan .\nAt this time Jim was\nstill asleep.\nWe got the update th9.t the Hawks\nwon 3 to 2 .\nHa ha ha ha h9..\nI r elayed t hat information to Jim when he woke up.\n\"€76MflDEMTtAi:-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 216,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p216.jpg",
   "text": "208\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nThat ' s right.\nOkay, I think we've already\ncovered our HF Checks , which were part of the\nregular flight plan.\nYes , we did that .\nI said they were between 16 58 30 GMT and\n19 07 00 GMT .\nRight .\nWe scrubbed the Apollo Landmark Investigation at\n28:40 and again at 29:10 .\nWe were allowed to do\nthe D-9 at about 29:30 in irifting flight o~ly.\nDoing the D-9 in drifting flight means that you\nlook outside w:ith the sextant and you pick out\nwhatever two s~aTs are there and you measure an\nangle betw8en them. It was a qU1:1.litative rather\nthan a quantitative type investigation for the\nexperiment.\nI ' m telling you , with D- 9 it was\nmostly qualitative throughout the whole missi on.\nWe did a few quantitative things , but the number\nof quantitative things that w~ ·quld do were very\nlimited .\nThe HF Test took us one and a half orbits .\nYes .\nIt took t wo hours and 15 minutes at least .\nI t hink around 28 : 30 , we had a call up for D-9 ."
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   "n": 217,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p217.jpg",
   "text": "209\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nYes .\nThis is where we did D-9 i n drifting flight\nonly.\nYes , and again t hat was like taki ng the car out\nof the garage without gasoline.\nAll it amou:~ted to was looking t hrough the window\nand picking out two stars that you can see and\ntaking a sighting between them.\nJus t a qualitative\ncheck t o see what the sextant woul d do .\nWe di d\nt hat .\nD- 9 turned out to be a qualitative, rather\nthan a quantitative experiment , except in a very\nisolated instance.\nWe weran' t even stabilized.\nYou were t rying to talk me through some of the\nthines , but I had the helmet off and on-­\nThis was when we firs t discoverad that. the light\nbulb in t he readout P'Jrtion :,f the sextant was\nburned out or something was wrong.\nRight .\nWe couldn ' t read out t he angle.\nWe called down, but we nevar got a call up on\nt hat or any instructions.\nWell, there weren't any.\nHa ha ha.\nOkay, then I\nhave in my notes here , as I mentioned earlier:\n\" 'Ed went t o bed at 20 :15 , got up at 22:15 and went\nGONA0ENllAI.."
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   "n": 218,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p218.jpg",
   "text": "210\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi v.itt\nback to bed at 23:15 , \" That ' s all Zulu time, but\nI don ' t see when he finally got up for the last\ntime.\nMaybe I 've got it in here.\nWe had another map update in there but it's really\nnot important .\nWe scratchsd the Apollo Lanirnark\nInvestigation-­\nWhat time did yo~ have me asleep?\n23:15 , Jim?\nOkay, well I obviously was up shortly ther eafter\nbecause I got on the horn and you were asleep\nwhen t hey called us up and told us we ' d. passed\nthe U.S. space record-­\nThat's rig},t .\nAt a little past 32 hours,which is 23:15 .\nThat ' s\n32 hours .\nThe space r ecord was 32 h~ur s .\nWe cancelled the Apollo La1dma:rk Investigation,\nRun 3, a t 30 hours and 10 minutes .\nGot t hat , Ed?\nYes .\nWe didn' t switch to bio-med r ecorders .\nI made a\nnote here early i n the flight plan on the bio-\nmed r ecorders, \"Ed slept f irst and turned No . 1\noff.\" When I slept , we forgot to turn it back Ofl ,\nso we had No. l off, and No . 2 on for a long t ime,"
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   "n": 219,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p219.jpg",
   "text": "211\nCO~lf.ll:lE~TlAL-.\nWhi t e\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nfor a peri od of about eight or Len hours.\nThen\nwhen 1 went to sleep t he second Lime , we turned\nN) . 1 on and No. 2 of f , whi ch is the way i t should\nhave bPen .\nBu'.; as soon as I wok8 up, we t uraed\nNo . ? on agai n and No. 1 off, because you wer e\ng 0i r,g t o go to bed.\nNow you •iidn' t go right\nback to sleep again so I have a note here, \"We\nh'l ve to t ur r. or. No. 1 as soon as he .,_,akes up. fl\nWe did.\nRan No. 1 r o' awhile with No. 2 off.\nWe t u.med them bot h back on, and 1 eft them r ur1­\nning for the r emainder of the flight . What we\ndi d i s t h9,t we pi ck'=d up a cushi on of about eight\nhour s on each -recorder and .let them r.un th,? r es t\nof the flight .\nThe D- 8 Experiment a t 2300 ho'..lrs-­\nEd w1.s asl eep then.\nI t ol d t hem t hat Ed was\nsl eeping and coul dn' t make it.\nRight.\nI t hink I probably di d t hat later on.\nTha t ' s right .\nRemember we discussed t h~t you\nwould turn o~ thP- experiment later on when you\nwent through the Sout h Atlant ic Anomaly?\nRight .\nYou plotted it out on the map and turned it on\nyour self.\nThe port ion of the flight plan at 31"
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   "n": 220,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p220.jpg",
   "text": "212\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMc\"Divitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nbout's elapsed time says , \"Prepare for S-6\nExperiment , update D-8 , MSC 2 and 3 on . \"\nNow- I\nturned MSC 2 and 3 on again, about then .\nWe did\nnot do an Orbit Nav Check, Run 3, b,:.cause we dldn ' t\nwant to use any fuel .\nWe scrubbed Experiment D-8\nand w2 ware going to turn i t on at 23:00 or do\nit at 2300 .\nBut, I guess Ed ·v1as still asleep, so\nwe didn ' t do it then .\nAt this t .i.me we were both\nin pretty bad shape as far as rest went , s•:> I\nfelt it much better to get some sleep th~n to\nfool with the experiments .\nThen going through-­\nOkay , this is the period of time whea you were\nasleep.\nYes , because I don ' t have any notes there.\nGo\nahead.\nRight .\nI had a very busy time shortly after I\ngot up.\nI had a requirement to , ~t 00:15 ,\nOh , yes .\nThey called the update to me and I\npassed it on to you and then I went to sleep.\nThat ' s right .\nI turned on the MSC 2 and 3, and\nthen I went D-8 at 02 :15 .\n00:15 Greenwich time , you were supposed to take\nsome pictures of cellular clouds .\nNo fuel all otted.\nI think I took some pictures of clouds.\nCQbJ.-f.lDEN·l+Al"
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   "n": 221,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p221.jpg",
   "text": "213\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n~ot;R-E>ENT-IA.J.\nMSC 2 and 3 wera supposed t o go on at a GMT of\n00: 30 , and yo~ were supposed to control the\nspacecraft to BEF for that pass .\nThat ' s right, and we went with BEF for that pass ,\nfor MSC- 2 and 3 Experiments .\nAt 02:15 I was\nsupposed to do D- 8.\nThat's right.\nI did D- 8 at 02:18, as a matter of fact, and it ' s\nlogged in the D-8 card.\nThen at 22: 35 GMT, w,~ were supposed to do S- 6-­\nI see that I ' ve got a scratch through it. I think\nthat you weren't up.\nI was up and I tried to do\nit, but there weren ' t any clouds around.\nI wasn't\npointed in the right direction, so I just scratched\nit out .\nYes , this is where I went back to sleep and you\ngot up.\nWe had a very important tape dump at\n03:03.\nI think I relayed that to you before I\nwent to sleep.\nYes.\n1 must have really snoozed here.\nI was gone for\nfour hours.\nI'm on 36 right now.\nWe had a tape playback.\nWe\n11..\n'- C0Mft0fNTiM"
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   "n": 222,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p222.jpg",
   "text": "214\n~OHFtDENTIAC\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwere eating along in here and I can ' t tell you\nwhere we ate because we ate whenever we fel t\nlike it.\nWe always ate when we woke up and usually before\nwe went to sleep.\nThat 's right .\nThat I s when we were eating and\nthat's when we had originally planned on it .\nThat' s the way it went in the original flight\nplan.\nAt this time of the mission I guess we\nweren' t doing much except staying alive.\nMy\nimpression of what we were doing was eating,\nsleeping, and dumping tapes.\nand looking at the ground as it went by.\nAs a matter of fact, w1~ were still pretty well\npooped out from that long per iod right there-­\nYour eyes were just getting better.\nYour\neye looked l ousy at that time, the first\n24-hour point.\nYour left eye was as red as\ncan be.\nAt about 36 hours it was still pretty bad, but from\nthere on it improved continuously.\nI noticed that whenever I slept, I got much\nhotter when I had my faceplate closed and my\nEONF+E>ENf-lM"
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   "n": 223,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p223.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcD:ivitt\n2 15\n€0t4FIDEN'.flAL\ngloves on. Remember?\nI kept turning on the\ndouble fans.\nEven when you didn't sleep in that configuration,\nyou got hotter when you slept than when you were\nawake, which is the reverse of what I figured it\nwould be.\nI figured that when you slept , we 'd\nwant to go to one fan all the time.\nWell , I slept good when I had my visor open.\nDid you? The last day or so, though, we had two\nfans on every time you slept.\nThe last day we did.\nOf course, I slept the best\nthen too as a matter of fact. After the first\nday, I had my faceplate open more often than I\nhad my faceplate closed.\nI wasn't .\nI had a problem that whe.v1 Pd put my\nvisor up, I was really crunched down in the seat,\nbecause I'm quite a bit taller than you. It was more\n,Jomfortable for me to keep my visor down than\nit wau t,c, keep it up.\nWe had an RKV tape dump ,\naround 36 hours , and I have an Orbit Nav Check,\nRun 4, here.\nI don't believe we did thA.t , did\nwe, F.d, at 36 hours and 50 minutes?\nI was asleep and I can't tell you.\nWhite"
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   "n": 224,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p224.jpg",
   "text": "216\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nGO t◄f-tB ENTIltt-\nWe didn't do any of the Orbit Nav Checks with fuel\nso it was just a matter if you could see the\nground you did one.\nThey called up some more\nS-6 information for me, but I wasn ' t to use any\nfuel on it .\nThey said I was to pass Typhoon\nBabe at 06:06, point of closest approach, and\nthere was a new storm brewing.\nI ' d have rny\nclosest approach to it at 06 :13.\nOh, yes .\nI also\nhave a period that Ed slept here.\nWhich time was that?\nWell, you got up at 08:15, Zebra time .\nThat 's\nabout 40 hours and 30 minutes elapsed time.\nI\ndrifted around to where I could see Typhoon Babe,\nbut there wasn ' t anything to take a picture of,\nThere was just a mass of clouds down below; smooth\ntops and nothing worth even a frame .\nI got another\nupdate that said: \"Over Cairo on the 26th Rev I ' d\nhave rny closest approach at 07 13 37. It would\nbe 90 miles slant range on the closest approach.\nDon ' t use any fuel .\nWe were just supposed to look\nat it. We did pick up Cairo and Alexandria both .\nI think you were awake at that time, weren't you?\nIt was the tail end of my sleep cycle."
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   "n": 225,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p225.jpg",
   "text": "217\n~ENttAt-\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWell , you weren't awake then.\nWhat time wa.s it, Jim?\nIt says 07 18 37.\nYou should have been asleep\nthen.\nI have in my notes that you slept to 08:15,\nWell, I was like you were.\nI wasn ' t sleeping\nvery good the last--quite often, I had my cover\nup watching out the window.\nYou could al ways\nhear everything that was going on the radio, so\nyou knew pretty well what was going on.\nWell, anyway, Cairo and Alexandria were both\nclear, but this was the first time we'd seen\nthem and it took a long time to find the targets- ­\nthe particular target that we were looking for.\nWe could find the Red Sea and we could .find the\nMediterranean, obviously.\nYou could see the\nSuez Canal .\nYou could see the river.\nI had\ndifficulty finding the town of Cairo .\nHow about\nyou, Fil., with Alexandria? You were looking for\nAlexandria.\nI found that one.\nYou found the town all right, but finding the\nairfield that we were supposed to take a picture\nof was pretty difficult the first time.\nLater on\neet<mDENTl,t(l."
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   "n": 226,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p226.jpg",
   "text": "218\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwhen we'll discuss the experiments, we'll comment\non that . It looks like I was asleep here for\nawhile because I don't have any notes .\nOkay.\nI have a set here.\nI was given the first\ntime to take a look at some of the D-6 targets .\nI had No. 1, No . 12, and No. 13, and I had all the\ntimes for them.\nI think No. 1 is Tripoli .\nWe ' ll\ngo over these in a little more detail when we go\nto the experiments .\nTripoli was covered by clouds .\nAlexandria was pretty good , and I was able to\nfollow it pretty well.\nDid you take any pictures of it?\nYes.\nI took some pictures. Actually, I think\nwe should go back and look at these.\nI got several\npasses.\nThis was the D-6 Experiment.\nNo. 12 was\nTripoli and it was covered with clouds.\nNo . 13\nwas Alexandria, and I took manual pictures with\nthe 20 mm Contarex.\nI didn't actually see-­\nThe 50 mm Contarex?\nNo, the 200 mm Contarex.\nThe 200 mm. Hand-held?\nNo, I had it mounted.\nI didn't actually see the\nairport\nbut I had seen it before.\nI was"
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   "n": 227,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p227.jpg",
   "text": "219\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nactually looking at the camera when I was firing\nit, so I - ­\nDid you see anything in the ground glass?\nNot very much.\nWere you trying to track that way or were you\njust looking out the window.\nNo .\nJust looking out the window.\nThe point that\nI brought out is that they gave me four targets.\nThe t argets should be far enough apart so that\nyou can actually get set for each one.\nI had\nfour targets here but I could only use- ­\nOh, that was when you zapped from Tripoli to\nAlexandria to Tel-Aviv to -­\nTel- Aviv and a whole bunch of them all in a row.\nYou could have a thousand miles between targets\nto evaluate.\nYou finish one and you're starting\nto take pictures of the other ones.\nI had them at 10 61 51, 10 21 50, 10 25 30 and\n10 30 15.\nWell, that was a beautiful row of\ntargets in there but-­\nA pair though or every other one would have been\nenough.\nAnd we were still being very parsimonious on fuel\nif10-ENTI-Al"
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   "n": 228,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p228.jpg",
   "text": "220\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nand I didn't feel like zapping the spacecraft all\naround.\nWe had some more updates , tape, and a\nmedical data pass for myself at 45:45.\nWe got the\nword to delete Translations 2-A.\nAt that time\nthey put in D- 9--the first D-9 with fuel .\nWe also scrubbed the Horizon Scan Moonset Check\nat 46: 33, or whenever that is.\nRight . It was schedul ed with the platform up\nand we didn ' t have it up.\nAlso I ' ve got the Scanner Thruster Plum Checks\nscrubbed at 47:40,\nAlso a deletion of the ES Sensor - ON because\nwe weren' t going to translate.\nSo at 14:14 we\nhad our first D- 9 Experiment with OAMS .\nWe were both up.\nRight .\nThis was the first one with fuel and the first\nbig disappointment of the experiments .\nRight. It was certainly very difficult to use.\nThis is where we tried to do the dayside pass\nwhen we had stars , and we couldn' t see past the\nnose of the spacecraft.\nWe didn ' t get any stars so actually the run was"
  },
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   "n": 229,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p229.jpg",
   "text": "221\nMcDivi tt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCONf-IDENTtA-L\nquite short.\nWe were not able t o see any stars so\nwe weren ' t able to do much on that run at all .\nThis is the t ime we !mocked off any more day star\nsightings.\nWe were supposed t o turn on MSC 1 and acq aid off\nfor five minutes between Tananarive and Carnarvon,\nI guess.\nOh! This is where I missed a sleep period.\nThis\ni s where we missed a sleep period.\nWe got busy and\nran the D-9 right through the sleep period.\nThen\nI got back to sleep at 54: 55 to 60:65 elapsed time.\nOh , yes.\nYou got about one hour's worth of sleep\nbetween 49:40 elapsed and 50: 20 elapsed , or some­\nthing like that.\nRight before D-9, I got a little sleep.\nThat 's right.\nI 've got a little note in here that\nsays, \"Ed got about one hour of sleep.\"\nThat I s right .\nWe were supposed to do S-5 over t he States on Rev\n32.\nStart at 17:40.\nWe were supposed t o do Apollo\nLandmark No. 4 starting at 15:00 Zebra on Rev 33.\nThat was El Paso.\nThat's right .\nWe were both up for that .\nt::OMFIDENTtM"
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   "n": 230,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p230.jpg",
   "text": "222\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWe did the S-5 Experiment together and that was\nthe best series of pictures we got on the whole\nflight. It was really fabulous .\nWe got good\npictures both for the S-5 and S-6 on this one.\nThey should really come out good.\nI did the Apollo Landmark Area No . 4.\nI did the\ntracking task with it at 19 16 42 on El Paso,\nand it turned out pretty well.\nWe tried to make\na tracking pass on El Paso International Airport,\nand we never even saw El Paso.\nThis was a very big surprise to both of us because\nwe though we ' d nail that one cold.\nThat's right.\nWe've been in and out of there so\noften, you lmow, it's just like another home base.\nWhich leads to one of your conclusions, which is-­\nYou can' t have targets out in the middle of a\nland mass .\nThey've got to be near a body of water.\nYou need something to identify the landmark.\nThere are some beautiful topographical features\nnear El Paso .\nThere' s a range of mountains just\nto the west that show up and the white sands are\nout there to the west--Shoot! We never saw any­\nthing.\nI think I saw El Paso when we were right\nCOt'4·Fl0EN1°1AL"
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   "n": 231,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p231.jpg",
   "text": "223\nFtDENflAL\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nover it.\nI said, \"I think there goes El Paso.\nI think we missed it .\"\nThe next thing we said was, \"Yes, it is.\nThere ' s\nTexas.\" We could see Corpus Christi coming up on\nus.\nThat 's where you took it.\nThat ' s right .\nSo then I went to a tracking task\non a pair of sand pits, with a channel between\nthem, right on the coast--around Corpus somewhere.\nSo, we did a tracking pass on it because we were\nall set up and we 'd already used the fuel to get\nstabilized.\nWe were all set to do something so\nwe went ahead and did something.\nWe took some\n200 mm pictures of this.\nI took about 10 pictures,\nWe'll just see how the target stayed in sight.\nThis was our first real tracking pass, wasn't it?\nI had one good one on Tel- Aviv.\nDid you use the fuel required to do it and all that\ns tuff or did you try to chintz on it?\nI tried to chintz on it, but I think it was good\ntracking.\nI actually tracked the airport at Haifa\ninstead of Tel- Aviv.\nI realized it at the last\nminute that I didn ' t have Tel- Aviv, I had Haifa, but\nCO'Mfl0ENTIM"
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   "n": 232,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p232.jpg",
   "text": "224\nCOf~ftf)'EMTt,tt-\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI had an airfield and I had a town so I-­\nYou took some fixed-molll'lted 200 mm pictures .\nYes .\nI took about two pictures of it.\nI couldn't\ntake a series.\nI-­\nThat ' s right.\nYou didn ' t have the gunsight to\nt r ack with either.\nNo .\nI just put it in the middle of the window.\nAt this time our orbit was 88. 1 by 148. 7, so we\nhad come down about 7 or 8 miles.\nD-9 and Apollo\n4, were around 51 hours.\nI don't know exactly\nhow that fit into this schedule that we were doing.\nWe were switching back and forth from elapsed time\nto Greenwich Mean Time so we got a little confused\non these.\nWe got updates of the PLA ' s and CLA ' s.\nThis plan says , \"Prepare for D-6.\" Well, we didn't\nhave a D-6 Experiment anymore.\nEd went to sleep\nagain at 54 hours .\nYes.\nAt 54: 30 I' ve got myself asleep.\nEd asl eep at 54, and I have him waking up at 59:15.\nThat was when we started trying to nake you sleep\na little longer, Ed.\nHalf our notes here are elapsed time and half of\nthem are in Greenwich Mean Time.\nI think this is\nCOl'fF1D1:Ml+AL"
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   "n": 233,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p233.jpg",
   "text": "225\nMcDivitt\nprobably one of the weakest points in our flight\nplanning-- trying to get times correlated .\nThis correlation between one time and the other\ntime is hard to handle.\nWe were getting start\ntimes in GMT.\nWe sai d that we wanted these start\ntimes in GMT because this i s the only official\ntime that we had.\nThe elapsed times were just for\nplanning.\nWe only kept them to the nearest two\nor three minutes .\nI started my Omega watch on\nelapsed time at take-off, and I just let it run\nthrough the whole flight.\nI never set it.\nI\nnever checked elapsed time or anything. It could\nhave been off two or three minutes , but I was\ndoing the flight plan to the nearest iO minutes\noff the book here.\nWhen we got retrofire times\nand when we got start t imes for things, we got\nthem in GMT .\nIt made it awfully confusing in the\nflight plan by switching back and forth,\nFortunately, we got off at 15:15 which is better\nthan getting off at 12:36 or something like that.\nOn the Apollo mission we 've got a better set of\nclocks .\nWe're going to have Mission Time and\nPhase Time , so whenever you start a new phase\nCONFtDENlJ.M"
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   "n": 234,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p234.jpg",
   "text": "226\nWhite\nMcDivit t\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nyou go back and start all over again.\nWel l, I 'm not convinced that we couldn ' t have\neven handled this one on elapsed time.\nWe did.\nWell, I mean let everything go elapsed time.\nForget about your Greenwich Mean Time.\nNo .\nI don't know what we would have lost .\nThe retrofire times.\nPut the retrofire time on elapsed time.\nLike\nyou say, it was much clearer to you using that\none watch on 12- ho11r increments , and it was to\nme too.\nThat 's the one I used.\nI used this one\nwatch right here on elapsed time,\nWell , let ' s get into that as a separate thing\nat the end .\nWe had the MSC Experiment 2 and 3\noff at 02: 25 ,\nWe turned it on at 22:14,\nThese\nare Zebra times now.\nI have a note here,\n\"Perform D-8 Experiment, Radiation Exper iment,\nat 55:30 elapsed time , \" and I 've got , \"No. Pilot\nasleep. \" Did you do that experiment later on, Ed?\nWhich one was that, Jim?\nD-8 Experiment .\nCONFIDENTl~ L"
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   "n": 235,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p235.jpg",
   "text": "227\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nAt what time?\nAt 55 : 30 elapsed.\nI 've got them in Greenwich Mean Time here again.\nThat's around 22 or 23:00.\nSomething like that.\nYes.\nI 've got one.\nI did it at 23: 58 GMT.\nHow did you do that? You were supposed to be\nasleep then.\nMaybe you woke up and did it and\nwent back to sleep.\nYou know, this was the time when you went to\nsleep, I 've got you asleep on the fourth day\nat 03:30 Greenwich Mean Time.\nWe ' re not on the fourth day.\nWe're still on the\nthird day.\nI 'm between 54 and 59 elapsed.\nAll right.\nThat's the period of time I'm asleep.\nI've got the D-9 Experiment was run between\n22:43 and 23:22.\nI must have done that.\nOkay.\nWe got Ed up at about 59 hours elapsed time, and\ndid a Medical Data No. 2 Pass on m~ except by then\nI think they were Medical Data No. 1 Passes.\nwent to sleep at about 60:15 elapsed, and I got\nup about 65 : 30 elapsed.\nI had about five hours\nthere when I was supposed to sleep.\nShortly after you went to sleep we started having\nI"
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   "n": 236,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p236.jpg",
   "text": "228\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nthe RCS heater troubles and we had them coming on\nfor the next three to four hours.\nWe had them\ncycled on and I called the times down.\nI don ' t\nbelieve we want to go over them all right now.\nI\nhad them cycled on and off at intervals of about\n15 minutes, for a total of eight different times .\nThey started coming on exactly at 06:47 and the\nlast one I had was on at 08:23.\nThat was the\nlast time we had any RCS heaters. It was rather\npeculiar because they alternated.\nFirst the\nA-Ring would come on and the B-Ring would come on\nand the A-Ring would come on, and so on.\nIs that right?\nThey came on at approximately 15-minute intervals\nand it took approximately five minutes to bring\nthe temperature down to within limits.\nI reported\nthose down and they seemed to be interested in\ngetting exact on/off times of our heaters to plot\nour electrical profile curve.\nI ran an Apollo\nLandmark Run Noo 6 with yaw 15 and pitch 30.\nI\nthink the results of that are in the other log­\nbook.\nI reported down at this time that ~im had\na successful bowel movement .\nI already had one.\nto'&flDENTIA-t!t"
  },
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   "n": 237,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p237.jpg",
   "text": "229\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCOt~F·IOENllAl\nI had an HF Check at Ascension at 05:09 , which\ndidn't work out-­\nHow could I have a successful BM if I was asleep?\nYou had already had it.\nI reported it at that\ntime.\nI wasn ' t able to read Ascension on this\nHF Check.\nI got the okay for an Apollo D-9 Run\nNo. 2 for 06 01 44.\nI called down to get\nclarification on it and they said I could use\nstars of opportunity.\nThis is what I did.\nI\nran the D-9 with the stars of opportunity.\nWhy\nwe did this will be brought out in the D- 9 de­\nbriefing.\nThis was a no-fuel D-9?\nNo.\nThis was with fuel .\nBut, remember, the stars\nwere placed so it was hard to get much.\nYes.\nWe scrubbed the Apollo Landmark Investigation No . l .\nWe didn't do that.\nWe gave a Medical Data Pass.\nRan the D-9 Experiment , I believe, and got fairly\ngood information back on that.\nAs a matter of\nfact, I did do the Apollo Landmark Run No. 6 and\nthat information is in the flight log.\nI got Jim\nup, it says, at 08:31 .\nThis doesn't sound right\nto me ."
  },
  {
   "n": 238,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p238.jpg",
   "text": "230\nCGNFIDENTIAt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI got myself up around 65:40 something elapsed time .\nI just drew a mark there.\nThat's exactly where I've got you up--at about\nI got a comment here.\nThis is something that\nwent on throughout the flight .\nI went to sleep\nand I looked at the OAMS Quantity Gage and it was\nreading 60 percent.\nWhen I woke up it read 56\npercent.\nThis meant a 4 percent drop and it\nwas somewhat alarming since we were saving fuel\nso much.\nHe accused me of having to use all the fuel up\nwhile he was asleep.\nHa, ha.\nNo .\nI'd noticed that the gage went up and down\nbefore, but it never had gone up and down so much\nin such a short time.\nIt would move up and down\nby 2 percent quite frequently over a period of\n15 minutes to an hour. It would change by 2\npercent. It did this between 60 and 70 percent\nfor a long, long, long t ime.\nWe were going pretty\neasy on the fuel .\nIt did move up and down like\nthis quite a bit.\nThis is just a comment that\nthroughout the flight the OAMS Quantity Gage did\nfluctuate quite a bit.\nWe had the uncertainty\n~fl01:Nt lA!"
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  {
   "n": 239,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p239.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n231\n.eOMrtf>·eNTtA L\nin the system and this 2 per cent was, in general,\nabout 7 pounds .\nThat was really quite a bit of\nfuel. 4 percent was between 12 and 15 pounds,\ndepending where you were on the scale. This was\nand awful lot of fuel to have suddenly disappear.\nI just wanted to comment on that . It was an\ninteres ting thing. . We'd been dumping our ECS o2\npressure. We'd gone to High Rate or cabin repress\nand dumping the stuff overboard--overpressurizing the\ncabin and having the cabin vent to keep the pres­\nsure down.\nFinally around this 66 hours, we'd dumped\nthe thing down to 880 psi on the gage.\nThis was why\nwe didn't have to dump it so often. We'd been\ndumping it before around 960 psi--dump it there\nand bring it back to around 930 psi and let it build\nup, and then repeat the cycle again.\nThat was about every 4 hours.\nYes.\nWe had to dump at least every 4 hours.\nWe brought it dovm to 880 psi and this gave us a\nperiod of around 12 hours.\nYou know, I thought this was a very clever method\nof holding the cabin at a higher pressure than\nnormal by McDonnell--putting the vent down so low\nthat it vented in a normal mode.\nYou\n~itw:rb\\l"
  },
  {
   "n": 240,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p240.jpg",
   "text": "232\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncertainly could tell on the gage when it was\ngoing to vent .\nIt vented right down there at\nabout 960.\nYes .\nI thought we ' d really hack that apart when\nwe got to the systems .\nYes .\nAll r ight .\nI wanted to be sure that we\ndidn ' t forget it.\nI guess we were both awake at this time . We did\nMSC-10 some place.\nHere 's where we got into a\nbunch of bad flight planning.\nSomeone on the\nground screwed up.\nThey ran our Horizon Scanner and MSC- 10 Checks\nright together.\nWe started out our MSC-10 Check and at the same\ntime we were supposed to start powering up the\nplatform and alining it .\nWhat time did you have MSC-10 Experiment?\nWe were supposed to power up the platform at 10:15 ,\nLet ' s see if I got the start times here for MSC-10.\nWe'd have it in the book.\nWell, we didn't get a start time because MSC-10\nstarts when the horizon comes into view, when we\ncould see the first light .\nWe started the MSC-10\nEONflDENTIAJ."
  },
  {
   "n": 241,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p241.jpg",
   "text": "233\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nas a sequence of pictures every five minutes.\nThe sequence is three pictures every five minutes,\nfor as many passes as you can get .\nSo you have to\nstart this thing at sunup, or as soon as the hor­\nizon becomes light.\nWe took our first three pic­\ntures .\nWe went on through and we were supposed\nto start our Horizon $canner Check--.\nJim, the time we started you ' ve logged in here as\n11:04.\nOkay, at 11 :04 we started our MSC- 10 Experiment .\nWe were given instructions to start the Horizon\nScanner Sunset Check at 11:54. It just so turned\nout that we were going along and we weren ' t out\nof frames of film yet for MSC- 10 .\nIt was still daylight.\nYes, it was st.ill daylight, that's right, and we\ncould still get some more good pictures, I thought.\nHere we had instructions to start our Horizon\nScanner Sunset Check, and in looking through this\nthing, it looked to me like that was the only\nplace we were going to get it; so I don't under­\nstand exactly why we had to run MSC-10 and the\nHorizon Scanner Check simultaneously. They\n<iONfJ{)ENl~AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 242,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p242.jpg",
   "text": "234\nC01'4Flf>ENTIAl\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncouldn' t be run simultaneously! It looked like\nsomebody with a little foresight on the ground\ncould have seen this .\nThat was really the only bad screwup, I think,\nin our flight planning. It was right there .\nI think so , too .\nSo we terminated MSC- 10, al­\nthough we had enough pictures , I'm sure , to have\ncompleted the experiment . It would have been\nnice to use up all the film .\nThere ' s no sense\nin carrying it and not using it .\nAt 11 :54 we\ndid the Horizon Scanner Sunset Check--the plat­\nform up and alined .\nAt 12:15 we did the Horizon\nScanner Moonset Check.\nAt 12: 22 we did the\nApollo Yaw Orientation. At 12: 58 we did the\nHorizon Scanner Thruster Check.\nAt 12: 59 we\ndid the Horizon Scanner Track Check.\nAt 13:14 we\ndid the Attitude Thruster Check.\nAt 13: 20 we\nwere supposed to power down and at 13: 20 were\nsupposed to turn off the MSC No . 1 Experiment .\nWhat happened as we went through here--we got\na little behind because it took a little longer\nto do some of these things , especially this\nHorizon Scanner Track Check.\nIt was\ntaktng so long that\n~hlFIDENTl~l"
  },
  {
   "n": 243,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p243.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nwe eliminated the last two steps in it.\nWe did\nthe zero bank angle and the pitch up and down.\nWe did the zero pitch angle and the roll left and\nright .\nWe did the bank to one side and the pitch\nup and down ,and we did the pitch up and the bank\non both sides .\nWe didn ' t do the pitch down and\nthe bank on both sides ,and we didn't do the roll\nleft and the pitch up and down.\nWe were running\nlate and at that time I didn ' t know how we were\ndoing on electrical' power and everything,so I\nelected not to do the last two portions of the\ncheck.\nWe had it pretty well ironed out , anyhow.\nYes .\nSurprisingly broad bands , too.\nThe scanners seemed to be working perfectly.\nThe\nattitude thruster check was just as it should have\nbeen.\nWe powered down the platform and turned off\nthe MSC Experiment No . 1 about two minutes late.\nWe powered down at 13:27.\nOkay, seven minutes late.\nWe never did take any\n16 mm photos of the plumes .\nBefore you went to sleep on t his one.\n<iONFIDENTIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 244,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p244.jpg",
   "text": "236\nC6~4flDENl~AL\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivit t\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI hadn ' t gone to sleep on that one.\nBefore I went to sleep.\nBefore you went t o sleep, yes.\nOkay D- 9 -­\nWr-: were really busy at this period of time.\nYes, a D- 9 at 20: 51 Zulu.·\nI have a feel ing I was asleep here, Jim.\nI think you were, Ed.\nYou went to sleep at 71 : 15.\n71 : 15?\nRight.\nI did the D- 9 Experiment at 20: 15.\nAt what time, Jim?\nAt 20: 15,\nSo you di d the D- 9 while I was asleep.\nI have a note here that we ' re going to be over\nGuaymas at 15 44 55 .\nThey wanted a No . 1 Medical\nPass f r om me.\nThey wanted me to turn the TM switch\nto REAL TIME and ACQUISITION for three minutes\nover Guaymas.\nGuaymas must have lost it ' s\ncommand function or something -- not for the\nwhole time though.\nYes, t his is where I was asleep, Jim.\nI remember\nthat now.\nOkay, now I have a comment here .\nI turned on our\nhorizon scanner at 16:03 with about a 25 degree"
  },
  {
   "n": 245,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p245.jpg",
   "text": "237\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nnose down attitude, with a pitch up rate of about\ntwo degrees/second , in the Horizon Scanner Mode .\nThe thing caught and held the spacecraft within\nthe deadhand\nand finally damped it down , and\nwe stayed in the Horizon Scanner Mode.\nI think\nthat this is about the time that we went to\nHorizon Scanner, isn ' t it?\nYou were in Horizon Scanner while I was asleep.\nYes .\nI don ' t have that in my notes, but we went\nin the Horizon Scan Mode around 72 hours , I think.\nI think it was at 16: 03 GMT that I mentioned it.\nI didn ' t do an O .rbi t Nav Check at the 72 hours\nand 50 minutes as shown in the flight plan .\nOh ,\nhere ' s where you were up again, Ed.\nBecause you\nwere up when the computer screwed up , wer en ' t you?\nYes.\nI saw the light.\nOkay.\nDuring the course of our passes over the\nStates , here, around 75 hours , I was told to do\nOrbital Nav Check N:l.9 at about 75: 30, and I was\nto do Or bital Nav Check NolO at about 75: 50, Okay.\nI completed the Orbital Nav Check, Run No. 9, and\nthen you must have waked up , I think.\nI think\nyou wer e asleep when I did that."
  },
  {
   "n": 246,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p246.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhat time do you have me waking up?\nI know about\nwhat time I woke up.\nYou woke up around 75 :30 or so.\nI was going to\ndo an Orbit Nav Check No. 10, and we were over\nthe States.\nThey wanted us to turn on the\ncomputer to send us a load, so I did .\nThat 's\nprobably what woke you up , when I was trying to\nturn on the computer with the swizzle stick.\nYes.\nBut this time the computer stuck in the on\nposition.\nWhen you tried to turn it off.\nAnd it wouldn ' t go off.\nI remember watching.\nI saw the mal light go on.\nSo it stayed on, and that ' s when we had all of our\ncomputer trouble , which you'll check and cover in\nsystems.\nOh, the time the malfunction light\ncame on was right when we were about to turn it\noff.\nI 'd say around 75:15 or something.\nIn that area?\n75:50 CS~-Hawaii.\nI think it was about 75:50 or\nthereabouts.\nThey sure do have some peculiar\ntimes here. It only takes , according to flight\nFlOENf lAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 247,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p247.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n239\n~K)ENTIM.\nplan, 30 minutes to go from Guaymas back to\nGuaymas.\nThat's a high speed orbit .\nThat ' s right. It does have that, doesn't it? Looks\nlike a goof, doesn ' t it?\nIt only takes 40 minutes to go from Hawaii to\nHawaii.\nWe were really traveling!\nI don't know\nwhat time the computer stopped.\nI think they've got it on the ground.\nThey can\nread the ma.l light.\nWe were talking to them on the ground. It should\nbe on the air to ground tape.\nThen we were\ncleared to do Apollo D-9 in the orbit that\ncovered the night time around 77 1/2 hours or\nso .\nThat was my D-9 at night, wasn't it?\nThat's right. Ed did this.\nBefore you went to sleep, though, we had one other\nthing.\nWe had the zodiacal light photographs\nthat we took, and we had a special procedure\ncalled up where we pointed straight down.\nOh, yes .\nThat's right.\nPulsed it , with the shutter speed of the Hassel­\nblad open.\nYou operated the Hasselblad and I\noperated the spacecraft .\nWe pitched down and\nEO~F1D·EN11AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 248,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p248.jpg",
   "text": "240\nC@t ◄ Fi0EN-llAk=\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nran through this test and pitched up and ran\nthrough --.\nThe Contarex.\nYou used the Contarex. T hat ' s right.\nWe did this at about 78: 30 , and I went to sleep\nat 79-­\nNo , we didn ' t .\nWe did this at 76: 30 , Jim.\n76: 30?\nI have 78: 30.\nI just took on Rev 51. You 're correct .\nThat Rev\n51 they called up wasn ' t right .\nOkay , we did it\nat 21 :40, which I have as equivalent to 78: 25.\nThen at 80 hour s I went to sleep.\nYou went to sleep about 80 hours elapsed time.\nThat' s r ight .\nOkay, while you were asleep, I\nran a D-8.\nIn fact , I had quite a bit to do\nwhile you were asleep this time.\nI ran a D-8\nat 23: 57,\nThese are all Zulu times.\nI turned\non the MSC- 2 and 3 at 23: 57,\nThis is where I had\nthe requirement to attitude hold, small-end­\nforward , thr ough the anomaly.\nOn the first pass\nthrough at 23: 57 to 01 : 30, I didn ' t feel that I\nhad a good atti tude.\nFrom 23:57 to 01:15 I di dn ' t\nfeel my attitude smal l-end-f or ward was satisfactory.\nG20t<iFIDENTIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 249,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p249.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\n241\n-cet\"'4FIE>Ei'JTIAL\nI elected'to make a similar pass through on the\nfollowing orbit, watching the stars and making\nsure that I had a good small-end-forward.\nI\nfound out that the first pass through was pretty\ngood until the tail end, where I thought the\nstars were in the wrong position. It turned out\nthat this is just the way they came up, and I was\ngood for both of them except for the tail end of\nthe first run through, I logged in two small\nend passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly.\nI also ran the D-9 Experiment and I found that\nby using the fuel and having the H0rizon Scan to\nhold when you wanted it to hold, the use of the\nsextant and horizon in making measurements was\nconsiderably easier. I made what I feel was a\ngood Apollo D-9 run.\nI ran the D-8 Experiment.\nI had two times to run the D-8 Experiment.\nI\nran it at the Greenwich Mean Time of 01:30,\nI\nwas to look for Pegasus at O2:28,straight up at\n268 nautical miles, and I was all hot to watch\nPegasus go over and was just approaching my\nstraight up attitude when-­\nThe sun shined on the window."
  },
  {
   "n": 250,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p250.jpg",
   "text": "242\nWhite\nNo , I was called and t hey said, \"Say we got a\ncritical tape dump.\nWe want you in a level\nattitude for it.\" And I said, \"Well, you just\ngave me instructions to watch Pegasus. \"\nAnd\nthey said, \"No, we want the critical tape dump. \"\nSo I went right down to that attitude, and we\ngot the dump off in time for me to go back up to\nthe attitude prior to 02:28.\nI got up there\nabout . 5 minutes prior to that time, but the\nsun, as Jim said , was up and was reflecting off\nthe particles on the windshield, and I really\ncouldn't see very much.\nI tried to see Pegasus ,\nbut I couldn't see it.\nI turned MSC- 2 and ~ off\nat the appropriate times .\nWe got instructions\nfrom Houston CAP COM to t ry a few things with the\ncomputer.\nWe were to turn the computer off , the\nIGS on, the computer on at 20 minute intervals\nto try to r ecycle the mal l ight off. They thought\nthat it might have been cold.\n€0Nft0·cNll~"
  },
  {
   "n": 251,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p251.jpg",
   "text": "243\n-CONfteiENTl~L\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nLet me step back a little bit to this\ncomputer problem.\nThe computer stuck c.wer\nthe States at around 75 1/2 hours or so.\nThe\ncomputer was stuck on. If you've got to have\nsomething stick, you're better off to have it\nstick on, I guess, than off.\nEspecially if\nyou ever want it to work again.\nAs we went\nout of earshot of the ground UHF radio range in\nthe States, I asked them if that they had any\ninstructions.\nThey said, \"Stand by. \" I sort\nof felt that the thing that we ought to do was\njust leave it on for a while.\nWe got a call\nfrom Tananarive and they said to place the\ncomputer switch to the ON position and a. a .\nPower Switch to the ACME.\nI said that ' s\ncertainly a peculiar place to put the switch\nand they said these are the instructtons from\nHouston.\nI think we had a good computer at that time.\nI know darn well we had a good computer at\nthat time .\nI think this is like getting your\nlanding gear stuck up and you fool around with\nC-ONFIDENTD\\t-~"
  },
  {
   "n": 252,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p252.jpg",
   "text": "244\nit and it comes down and then just for the\nhell of it you pull it up again to see if it's\ngoing to come up.\nI don't think we should\nhave ever turned off the computer. Unfortunate­\nly, I didn' t have all the infonnation at my\nfingertips that I needed to really make a de­\ncision on it.\nWhen we got to the next station,\nwhich was Hawaii, I asked them how we were\ndoing on electrical power.\nThey sai d that we\nwere 160 amp-hours ahead of the curve.\nWe had\na 200 amp-hour cushion, so that meant that we\nhad a 360 amp-hour pad on our flight pl an. In\nthe meantime, I had checked to see what the\ncomputer- ON, IGS Power Supply-ON took. It\ntook 5. 6 amp-hours to power this thing.\nWe\nwere at 76 hours on a 96-hour mission and we\nhad about 20 hours to go.\nTwenty times 5.6 is\na little over 100.\nSo, if we had used up these\n100 amp-hours , we'd still finish up with a\nbetter electrical pad than we started out with,\nor than we expected when we started out.\nSo,\nI sort of feel that we needlessly threw the\ncomputer down the drain.\nAfter we got the"
  },
  {
   "n": 253,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p253.jpg",
   "text": "245\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nGNFIDENTIAt\nthing turned off and ruined, we went ahead and\nturned the IGS Power Supply on, the computer on,\nand left it on the rest of the flight anyway.\nSo, whoever sent those instructions accomplished\nit.\nI guess what he wanted to do was turn off\nthe computer.\nHe sure accomplished that.\nIt\nseemed to me like it would have been more\nworthwhile to leave the thing on till we got a\nlittle more data out of the thing, instead of\nrushing to get it turned of f the way they d.L<.l,\nI don't understand it .\nI don't feel that it\nwas a wise decision.\nUnfortunately, I didn ' t\nhave the electrical power consumption at my\nfingertips right then, or I never would have\nturned the thing off.\nOkay, I guess we're over about 86 hours.\nI got\nup at 86 hours.\nThat ' s one of the longest rest\nperiods that I ' ve had .\nAt 05 48 45 Zulu we were\nsupposed to perform a D-9 Experiment , and I guess\nwe did.\nThen I have in my notes that Ed went\nto sleep at 87 hours elapsed time .\nAnd this was my five hours of very good sleep.\n~ONFIDENT~A4,"
  },
  {
   "n": 254,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p254.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nco,~Fl0EN·l+AL\nIt's my best and last .\nYou must have let me\nsleep till when?\nI don't even have when I got you up, but it\nwas about five or six hours.\nI think it was\naround six hours.\nNo , it wasn't that long, was i t ? Because that\nwould have run us a little short .\nYou had\nabout an hour 45 minutes or two -­\nI had an hour and a half nap.\nI got up at\nthree hours before retrofire. Retrofired at\n97:45,\nI went to sleep at 93 hours.\nOkay.\nSo, I got up -­\nEd got about six hours nap.\nI got up about 95:05 that time.\nYou went to\nsleep about -­\nNo , you went to sleep at 87 hours and got up\nat about 92 -- a little past 92.\nThis is what I\n1d estimate, Jim.\nA little past 92.\nSo, you had about a good\n5 hours.\nI lmow that you were still sleeping\nat 92, because that ' s when the urine system\nstopped up, and you were asleep then.\nSo,\nthink you got up -- I ' d guess, around 92:30,\nOO~~FIE>ENTIAL...\nI"
  },
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   "n": 255,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p255.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI lmow I went to sleep at 93.\nI went to sleep in\npm GMT and 15 after the hour, whatever the hour\nwas , and I woke up again.\nDuring the time that\nEd was asleep, I did two Apollo Landmark runs\nusing Area No. 16 for the first one.\nThis was\non Basrah. It was a good run. We'll go into\nthis a lot more in detail later on.\nI did\nthe second one on Cairo .\nThis was a good run.\nI went through some more computer mode checks.\nEvery ten seconds, I changed the computer\nmodes and turned the switches on and off,\npushed the malfunction lights , hit the Start\nC-omp button, turned the switches on and off,\nran the IVI's and a whole bunch of other\nthings. The computer was dead and ±twas\npretty obvious that it was.\nAt 92 hours, the\nurine flush system stopped up.\nJust prior\nto that Ed had urinated and we had a big\nbellows full.\nAs it started going overboard,\nit always went overboard in squirts.\nDid you have it at 92 or 95?\n92.\nOkay, that was when I was asleep.\nCON·FIBENTIA~"
  },
  {
   "n": 256,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p256.jpg",
   "text": "248\n'CONFtDt:t+l~Al:--\nMcDivitt\nYou were still asleep, and I think you got up\naround 92: 3(), I would guess .\nSometime around\nin there.\nI know that I got up three hours\nbefore retrofire and I slept about an hour and\na half.\nYou can go back and say that you got\nup about 92: 30 or 93 elapsed.\nEd had urinated\nin the bladder and the bell ows was full .\nAs it\ngot towards the end, i t started going out very\nslowly, but it did all go out .\nSo , I turned\nthe thing off normally.\nI l eft preheat on for\na short time, two or three minutes , and then\nturned it off.\nAfter my urine dump, I had\nabout half air and half urine in the bladder,\nand the bellows filled out. It just.stopped.\nIt was pretty obvious that it wasn't going to\ngo any farther .\nI turned off the OVERBOARD\nposition and went to PREHEA:T on the other\nswitch.\nI then went over to the evaporator\nand dumped through the evaporator and it\ndumped right overboard.\nWe used the evaporator\ndump system one other time during the flight .\nWe played back the tapes and the things we\nwere supposed to do unt il about 93 hours, I\nCONF-10EN\"FIAl..."
  },
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   "n": 257,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p257.jpg",
   "text": "-----ceNFl0EN·;pJAL\n249\nbelieve, and that ' s when I went to sleep.\nI\nwoke Ed up and I went to sleep at this time .\nWhite\nActually we got our update while you were\nasleep the time before.\nWe got the update for\nhow to perform the retro.\nWe figured that with\nthe procedure they gave ue, if we followed it,\nwe would get a three- sigma miss distance of\n70 nautical miles.\nWe were to use an 0AMS\nr etor with a manual retro.\nAt this time, we\nwere going to push the manuel button.\nThey\ndidn ' t know at this time that the TRS was\nworking all right .\nThey later came in and\ntold us to use the automatic mode of time.\nWe\nwere to use zero-lift rolling.\nWe were to\nstart the terminal maneuver at the 400 000 foot\nmarker.\nThey told us to expect to encounter\nabout 8 g's during the reentry.\nWe were told\nthe recovery area had three to four foot waves,\n18 knot winds, and good weather.\nI\n1 ll cover\nthis more later.\nWhite\nThere wasn ' t much more.\nWe got an update.\nI\ntook a few more pictures, and I did a medi cal\npass.\nDuring that hour and 40 minutes there,·wasn ' t\nCONFl0ENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 258,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p258.jpg",
   "text": "250\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n.u1.ything else.\nNothing else was scheduled.\nWe wer e down through what we felt was all the\nfuel we wanted to use , so about all I did was\na couple of tracking tasks.\nGoing back for a moment, - at 17:19 I did an\nApollo D- 6 on Yuma.\nOkay, I think that bri ngs\nus t o the preretro portion of the mission.\nRight , Ed?\nYes, sir.\nI think you 'll find there are ~uite\na few errors and omissions in what we've put\non the tape right now.\nI think you have to com­\npare them both--the two tapes together--to get\nanything.\nThat's like air to ground tape, also .·\nThat ' s right. It has to all be put together .\nThis is just a piece right here.\nWhite\nWe really started our preretro preparation\nabout three hours prior to preretro .\nAt this\ntime we started stowing equipment and pre­\nparing the spacecraft and ourselves for the\nretrofire. I think we worked for probably\n30 ±o 45 minutes without making a very bi g\nCQ~~F-IDENTI--Ab"
  },
  {
   "n": 259,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p259.jpg",
   "text": "251\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n-eOl'<tflDENTl~L\ndent in the pile of junk that we had in the\nspacecraft.\nIL.was apparent to1,me at ·I.hat\ntime that we were going to have to go a lot\nfaster than we were going or we'd still be up\nthere stowing stuff away at retrofire time.\nSo , Ed and I then went into high gear and we\nreally started stuffing stuff away.\nWe put\nthe film in the middle food box, and we put\nthe caJDeras and some of the refuse, including\nthree defecation bags, exerciser, and some\nother things, in the left-hand aft food b·ox.\nI took a lot 1,nger to stow the equipment than\nwe had planned.\nDo you have any comments on\nthat?\nYes , I thought this also .\nWe had just every­\nthing out prior to this time.\nWe hadn ' t\nreally been able to stow anything.\nWe used\nevery piece of our equipment right up to the\ntime we started our stowage.\nIn fact, I think\nyou were getting a little uneasy there for a\nlittle while that we weren ' t going to get it\nall in,\nThat's right. At the rate we were going, we\nc,;J ~~FI f:}E·NT·IAL-.."
  },
  {
   "n": 260,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p260.jpg",
   "text": "252\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCOl<IFIDEt\\fltAL\nwouldn ' t have.\nThat' s right.\nWe had to accelerate our pace a\nl ittle bit and perhaps get a little faster and\nnot quite as thorough in o~r stowage as we\nwould liked to have been.\nI think everything\nwas put away.\nEverything was put away except\nfor the umbilical .\nWe knew we weren't going\nto stow the urine hose, so we put that in the\numbilical bag.\nThe two meals that we had left\nwe put in the umbilical bag aleo .\nWe had some other things.\nWe had the extra­\nvehicular sleeves off your sujt, the blanket\nthat went over my leg, the launch- day urine\nbags , and a couple of other things were down\nunderneath my legs.\nThey were between my l egs\nand the seat.\nRight.\nI put my launch-day urine bng in the\nbag also , so that things wouldn ' t ric.oohet·.\naround.\nI think we had all your stuff in the bag and\nI had all my stuff wedged between my legs and\nthe seat.\nWe both also had a trash bag on either side.\n€0~<1FIDENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 261,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p261.jpg",
   "text": "253\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWe had that on the l aunch also.\nThe trash bag was full .\nDid yours stick on the side?\nIt stuck.\nSo di d mine.\nI put mine further up -­\nIt didn ' t have anything heavy in it.\nIt was\nlight weight.\nIt was all trash.\nDry trash.\nIt all stayed there pretty well.\nWe di d get\nthe stowage done in time.\nI think we had about\n10 or 15 minutes in which to collect our wits\nf or the -­\nThat' s right.\nI was trying to make an -effort\nsuch that at the time we arrived over Carnarvon\nthe greatest part of the stowage would be\ndown.\nHowever, we didn ' t quite make this.\nI\nhad a time powering up the spacecraft, and I\nhad the IGS power on.\nI had already turned\nthe IMlJ on.\nI was beginning to warm it up,\nand had it in the Cage Mode .\nWhen we got to Carnarvon we were still stowing\nthings away.\nI t hink by that time I had al­\nt0NF1Dc1'ff~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 262,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p262.jpg",
   "text": "254\nI\nGOt\\J FIDE~I-A=l\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nready strapped myself into the spacecraft.\nhad my survival gear hooked up, my shoulder\nharness hooked up and my lap belt on loosely.\nWe did the things that I could do by myself,\nsuch as stow·ing the ventilation module and\nstowing the cabl e.\nYou were doing other things.\nThat's what I said.\nWe were coming up to\nCarnarvon.\nI was shooting to have all this\nstuff put away by then.\nWe didn't have it all\nput away but we had most of it done, where I\ncould actual ly get around to flying the space­\ncraft again.\nWe checked in with Carnarvon , and\nconfirmed our retrofire time.\nWe weren't\nreally supposed to pick up our retrofire dat a\nuntil we passed over the States .\nFrom Car­\nnarvon on up to the States, we ~ontinued to\nstow away little bits of pieces that we had.\nI think you were still eating.\nWe finally de­\ncided that you ' d better stop eating or we\nweren't going to be ready for reentry.\nWith a little prethought I had taken one meal ,\nprepared it and set it aside so I could eat\nit just before reentry.\nThis is what I was"
  },
  {
   "n": 263,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p263.jpg",
   "text": "255\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\ndoing.\nAs we came up on Carnarvon, I thought that we\nwere in excellent shape.\nWe had a lot of spare\ntime .\nWe could get ready for retrofire.\nWe\ncame up to the United States and ran a pass\nacross the United States.\nWe got the updat e\ntimes and we got all the reentry quantities\n~hat we needed, both with and without OAMS .\nThey told us that they had a valid load in the\nTRS .\nAt this time, I assumed that they\nchecked the TRS, but when we got our early\nretrofire, I wondered if anyone really had\nchecked the time.\nI know it was off at least a second. · I'd\nestimate it was off a little more than a\nsecond.\nA second and a half, probably.\nNo more than\ntwo seconds because we didn't arm it until\nthree seconds• But it sure fired shor tly after\nthat.\nYes.\nOne thing that we got was different.\nAll\nour quantities checked out except for one.\nThey called up a landing time which, the first"
  },
  {
   "n": 264,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p264.jpg",
   "text": "256\nMcDivitt\nC.QNFIDENT~AI.\ntime , I copied it as 15: 55 , and the sec.;ond\ntime I copied it as 17:10 .\nThis was prior to\nfiring anything, so I think they corrected one\ntime only.\nI thought the rest of it was very\nwell h8J1dled.\nWe had the times called up and\nverified several times .\nAs we started our pass across the States , I\nstarted alining the :EDJ.atform..\nWe had the best\nalined platform although we didn ' t really need\nan alined platform since we didn't have a\nclosed loop guidance system.\nBut we sure had\nthe best alined platform at retrofire that the\nspace business will probably ever see .\nI\nalined the platform across the United States ,\nand then I went to Orbit Rate.\nI had about\na 20-minute alinement on it and went to Orbit\nRate.\nWe left it in Orbit Rate.\nI did this\nalinement small-end-forward because I wanted\nto see where I was going for a change.\nWe\nwent into the dark side, and we really got\ninto our checklist then.\nWe performed the P~e­\nr etro Checklist well in advance of when it was\nsupposed to be done. It shows it in the flight"
  },
  {
   "n": 265,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p265.jpg",
   "text": "257\n,.CO~ F ID\"EMltAt\nplan at about 96:40 with the retrofire at\nabout 97:45.\nI think we did the Re,tro Check­\nlist right after we completed our pass across\nthe States.\nWe did it right at about 1+30.\nThen I did it at one hour.\nAt TA-1 hour we\nwent through the checklist again, and got· all\nthose things that we skipped.\nSome of them we\ndidn't want to do as early as an hour and a\nhalf.\nWe went through it again in an hour,\nand we did the Preretro Checklist step by\nstep.\nI think at that time we had everything\nstowed away.\nWe took a couple last drinks of\nwater, and put the water gun away, and then\nproceeded on down.\nWhite\nI had one comment on that checklist. I still\nthink our HF procedures are not too well de­\nfined--when we do and when we don' t put the !::IF\nout. Not out, but when we put No . 2 on HF.\nIt popped up in the checklist again and we\nquestioned this prior to the flight.\nWhy put\nNo . 2 audio on HF during this time? I do not\nfeel we want to be on HF.\nWe had the HF on.\nWe could hear them calling us , if they did call"
  },
  {
   "n": 266,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p266.jpg",
   "text": "McDivi tt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nus on it.\nWe could switch over t o it quite\nquickly.\nThis wasn't on the checklist , but\nwe put my switch on RECORD and recorded the\nwhole sequence of events.\nThat' s right.\nI think that was sort of a\nneedless position.\nYou could l isten on HF\nwithout having the transmitter on.\nThat was the only discrepancy t hat I fow1d in\nour checklist.\nEverything else we went through.\nOne other thing.\nThey had, \"Insert a new\nvoice tape , \" and we both felt we wanted the\nfull reentry on one tape.\nIf we put a new\nvoice tape at this time we wouldn' t have\ngotten it.\nSo , I inserted a new voice tape at\nthe Minus 36 Checklist and I think this is a\ngood time to do it on future flights.\nYes, the TR-36 Checklist was to be done over\nCarnarvon.\nWe decided that we would check the\nmaneuver thrusters prior to Carnarvon since\nwe had a lot of time.\nThere was no sense in\nwaiting until the checklist time ca.me around.\nSince we had a lot of time , which was the\nthing I was striving for , I went ahead and\nCOl\\lftD·EN--T~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 267,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p267.jpg",
   "text": "259\n5, 1 Zt-36 Events\nMcDivitt\nCONFteENTlAL\nchecked the aft- firing thrusters No . 9 and 10\nas we had in the TR- 36 Checklist, except we\ndid it between TR-45 and 40.\nGot them all\nchecked out, so that by the time we came over\nCarnarvon we just went ahead and started up our\nevent timer on their mark.\nWe confirmed with\nCarnarvon that we had indeed checked on maneuver\nthrusters and that they were all right.\nWe got\nthis checklist completed well in advance too .\nWe went through it a couple of t imes , although\nthere really wasn ' t much to it after the Man­\neuver Thruster Check,\nI guess we could proba­\nbly follow the retrofire itself here .\n5,0 Retrofire\nI juet covered most of this.\nI set the event\ntimer up well in advance of Carnarvon.\nAt\nCarnarvon, I got the TR-36 hack.\nI got the\nevent timer started right on the money.\nWe\ngot a hack on it later and it was indeed with\nthe ground times .\nI checked the aft-firing\nthrusters prior to reaching Carnarvon, and I\ntold Carnarvon that I had indeed checked them\n-CONFt0ENflAL­"
  },
  {
   "n": 268,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p268.jpg",
   "text": "260\nCOt~FIOf:m1\"AL\n5. 2 TR- 22 Events\nMcDivitt\n5.3 Tlt-13 Events\nMcDivitt\nand they were operating properly.\nAt TR-22 I was alining the platform.\nI\nstarted alining the platform over the States,\nand I put it in Orbit Rate for a while.\nFinal ly\nwe got over to the dark side and there wasn ' t\nanything else to do , so I alined it some more .\nI alined that platform for an hour and a\nhalf.\nWe had the best alined platform at\nretrofire in the world .\nWe were in pretty good\nshape by the t ime we got to the T - 22 checklist,\nR\nwhich is really nothing at all. It 's just\nanother platform alinement.\nWe checked our\nground updates, and again Carnarvon told us\nthat we had a good load in the TRS.\nAt TR-13 minutes we started the computer.\nWe\nstarted our TR- 13 minute checklist at about\nTR-1 4 to make sure we didn ' t run into any\nproblems.\nWe got into Orbit Rate, and I got\nall the things out just like the T - 12 checklist\nR\nsays.\nWe had an OAMS burn of 2 minutes and 40\nseconds.\nThey called it up and I"
  },
  {
   "n": 269,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p269.jpg",
   "text": "261\n5.4 !R-12 Events\nMcDivitt\n.CONFIDENTlAt'\nchecked it.\nI was exactly right.\nThey were\nobviously flying it off the same card that we\nwere, because I checked it and it was exactly\n2 minutes and 40 seconds.\nHawaii said they would give me a countdown to\nTR-12, and they gaye me the 3, 2, 1 Mark.\nI\nstarted thrusting at that time.\nEd had planned\nto give me a check at one minute elapsed time,\ntwo minutes elapsed t ime, and at 30 seconds to\ng o, 20 seconds to go, 10 seconds to go, 5, 4,\n3, 2, 1, and off.\nThat's exactly what we did.\nHe called me at one minute, and again at two\nminutes.\nWe went right on down, and he gave me\nthe mark.\nI was checking the t i me as he gave\nme the counts. It was agreeing exactly with\nmy event timer.\nAt Ed' s mark, I released the\nattitude controller :end we were within tenths\nof seconds of exactly 2 minutes and 40 seconds\nof burn time.\nDuring this period of time, I\nthink I held the attitudP-s probably within plus\nor minus a degree. It was very easy to control .\nThe thing that I noticed most about it was the"
  },
  {
   "n": 270,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p270.jpg",
   "text": "262\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nabsence of noise from the aft-firing thrusters .\nI could hear the RCS firing, but I could not\nhear the aft- firing thrusters .\nI could hear them.\nYou know how the \"x\" is like this? My ears were\nplugged up throughout the flight , so maybe you\ncould hear t hem.\nI could hear them.\nThat was in Rate Command.\nAnd stopping?\nYes, I heard Rate Command.\nI knew what I was\ndoing with the stick.\nMaybe what you were\nhearing was Rate Command.\nI was going to comment that the way that I was\nl istening to t hem':!: thought they were just\ncutting out.\nYou were hearing the attitude thrusters , Ed.\nHere' s what would happen.\nI would be thrusting\nalong and the thing would st art deviating. It\nhas a tendency to deviate more in yaw.\nI s i t continual? Did you hear it all the time?\nYes, almost all the time except for pauses\nt hat were frightening, as the attitude would\n~Nlf~"
  },
  {
   "n": 271,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p271.jpg",
   "text": "263\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n~\nIDENTIAt\ndrift off just a slight amount, around a degree .\nIt wasn't deviating a lot so I was making small\ncorrections.\nIt would deviate in yaw so I would\ncontrol it back. It tended to deviate slightly\nto the left all the time.\nI controll ed it over\nto the right and I would bring the ball back\nunderneath the dot .\nThen I would even go back\nto zero.\nThen I would release it .\nI would\nbring the stick ·back to neutral, and for a shor t\ntime, the rates would bui ld up and the silence\nwould be deafening.\nThere would be no noise\nwhatsoever.\nI would think, \"God bless it .\nHave the aft- firing thrusters stopped firing?\"\nThen the thrusters tended to yaw the spacecraft\nsome more.\nAs it came around , it got past\n2/10\n1 s of a degree/second deadband and the\nRate Command started firing Main.\nOkay, that ' s what I heard.\nThat ' s right.\nThat was Rate Command.\nWhen I yawed back around,\nit was really going.\nI'd come back to neutral\nand it would stop.\nAll right.\nThen I couldn't hear them.\nI didn't\nhear them when we took the check on them.\nceNFIE>ENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 272,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p272.jpg",
   "text": "264\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nNeither did I .\nI didn ' t hear a thing.\nI agree\n100 per cent with Gus that you absolutely\ncan' t hear those aft-firing thrusters.\nMy ear muffs are loose.\nThey are always loose\non my ears.\nSo if you could hear it outside,\nI would have heard it.\nI didn ' t hear it. I\nheard Rate Command.\nThose attitude thrusters really make a noise.\nThey make a big noise. It sounded to me like\nI could hear the thrusters firing and I was also\ndetecting these pauses evecy so often.\nSeveral\ntimes I thought, \"Oh , heck, it's stopped! \"\nThat' s right ,\nEspecially, when we started\ngetting down towards the bottom.\nThe old fuel\ngages were going down toward zero and the ti me\nwas running around. It looked like it was\ngoing to be a dead heat between which went .out\nfirst. There was one··particularly J.ong pause\n,.\nat about 2 minutes and 30 seconds,\nI thought ,\n\"There it goes ,\" a.nd we made a quick correction.\n.And when I stopped, I couldn' t hear a thing.\nNothing changed.\nThat ' s all it was.\nOkay.\nI retract my statement.\nCOMF fDEN-slUa. L"
  },
  {
   "n": 273,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p273.jpg",
   "text": "265\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n5. 5 TR- 5 Events\nMcDivitt\nWell , not knowing exactly what I was doi ng with\nthe hand controller, you--I was making small\ncorrections.\nThat ' s the first time I'd heard that kind of a\nsound.\nWe were getting it when we wer e chasing that\nthing around, too--when we were chasing the\nbooster around.\nYou were thrusting again.\nI thought this was\nthe other one.\nYes, that ' s right.\nSo we got through the TR-13\nand TR-12 Checklist s.\n~e TR-13 and the TR- 12 Checklists really should\nbe grouped together--the preparat ion and the\nOAMS retrofire.\nOnce more we started doing our checklist a little\nearly.\nSince we had the t i me there was no since\nin wasting it and then rushing at the end.\nSo\nwe went through what we could in advance of\nT -5.\nThe things we couldn't do or that didn't\nR\nneed to be done in advance we waited for until\nexactly TR-5.\nI guess this is where Ed got the"
  },
  {
   "n": 274,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p274.jpg",
   "text": "266\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nfirst clue that the TRS was ahead of the ground\ntime.\nThis is an area where I particularly watch the\ntime.\nThis is an a.:-ea where I 'm making a time\ncheck to start the elapsed timer going in order\nto get our time after retrofire.\nI was watch­\ning it pretty close.\nThe indication on my\nwatch was that the TRS vi.as about a second or so\nearly.\nI felt we had a good Green·..n.ch Mean\nTime hack.\nWe checked it several times and I\nthought we had a good one.\nWith my time refer­\nence it was approximately a second to a little\nbetter early.\nAt this time I had about half\nof the checklist completed before we got to\nthe time for it.\nI verified it several times.\nIt's not a hurried time at all, from 36 down,\nI don't believe.\nThere ' s no time in there when\nyou're really rushed unless it-­\nYes. It is not hurried, provided you have\neverything else completed and you' re not doing\nanything else but preparing for the retrofire-­\nyou have nothing going wrong during this period.\nAt TR-5 the sequence lights came on a little\nCONFIO-EN:f~AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 275,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p275.jpg",
   "text": "267\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nbit early and that's where Ed got his first\nclue tr·at the TRS was ahead of the other thing.\nI didn' t notice it because I wasn ' t watching my\nevent timer that closely.\nEd got his GMT sto¥ ­\nwatch started.\nWhy don I t you go ahead with the\nelectrical , Ed?\nI turned the main batteries on, verified them\non, and verified t hey were taking the load.\nThey were in good shape.\nThis is where we turned the OAMS off and the\nRCS on.\nLet me talk about the checkout\non the\nRCS now.\nWe had armed the RCS prior to the\nTR- 36 Checklist, and checked out each ring.\nWhen I was checking the rings out, I felt that\nI might have a thruster out.\nThat was because\nwhen I pitched up or down, my top left yaw\nthruster was firing in one ring.\nI felt that\nI might be generating a rolling moment by\nhaving one of my pitch jets out and the yaw\njets were having to take out this rolling moment .\nI checked it in one ripg.\nI don't remember\nwhi ch ring it was.\nI went to Direct 8lld did\nit again. It didn ' t seem to do it, but on the"
  },
  {
   "n": 276,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p276.jpg",
   "text": "268\nother hand, it didn't seem to make the space­\ncraft roll either. Then I turned that ring off\nand went over and ddd it on the other ring.\nIdentically the same thing happened.\nI thought\nI might have trouble with the roll -gyro .\nI\nturmid the roll gyro to SECONDARY.\nThat didn 't\nseem to make any difference.\nWe went back to\nPRIMARY .\nI remember commenting at that time\nthat the RCS was a lot looser in control than\nthe OAMS.\nIt seemed to me that the OAMS held\nthe spacecraft attitude better. It seemed like\nit controlled to a rate deadband that was\nsmaller than the RCS deadband.\nI don't know\nwhy you're using the same gyros and the same\nelectronics.\nThe only thing that could be\ndifferent would be the attitude drivers on the\nRCS might be activiating slower than they are\nin the OAMS.\nIt seemed like the rates were\nsuch a--seems like there must be a lag in the\nwhole system. It seemed like the deadband in\nthe RCS was twice what it was in the OAMS . It\noperated properly.\nThere's so much difference\nbetween looking at that ball on firing retros\n~N-FIE>ENl~L"
  },
  {
   "n": 277,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p277.jpg",
   "text": "269\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nand looking out and actually seeing the nose\nof the spacecraft moving around out there.\nThere's no comparison with t he simulator.\nYou\njust can't simul ate this.\nWhen I looked down\nat the ball and did t he retrofire, i t was just\nl ike the simulator. When I was l ooking outside\nand actually seeing what the spacecraft was do­\ning as I cont rol led i t , it seemed like it was\na lot sloppier with the RCS than it was wi th\nthe OAMS .\nWe must have fired over New Mexico or Texas.\nOur retrofire?\nYes.\nI could see the old brown sandy earth\ndown right under us.\nYes, Guaymas gave us our countdown, so we were\nover northern Mexico .\nThat ' s the area that I thought we were over.\nActually, it may even look almost a littl e like\nwest Texas.\nIt could have been.\nThen I did TR-5.\nI went\nto our retro attitude.\nWe reported our TR- 5\nChecklist complete.\nI don ' t know exactly when\nGuaymas came on the radio .\n-€0-NFf'DEN·f~l"
  },
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   "n": 278,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p278.jpg",
   "text": "270\n5, 6 TR- 1 Events\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nCOt\\JFtE>l:N!TtAI'\nYes.\nAt TR-1 there wasn't really much that we\ncould do in advance, but whatever we could do ,\nwe did .\nThere weren\nI t many steps.\nWe just waited for minus 1 minute.\nAll you have to do is really just prepare your­\nself mentally, but at T - 1 I told Ed , \"We ' re\nR\nat a minute. \" , and I guess F,d already knew we\nwere at a minute.\nYes.\nF,d did it just exactly as we'd briefed it many\ntimes.\nYou punched the SEP OAMS.\nWe heard the\nbang.\nHe followed wit h a SEP ELECTRIC, rather\nquickly afterward as we had planned.\nWe heard\nthe bang.\nThen we waited a short t ime as we\nhad planned, and fired the SEP ADAPrER.\nThen\nthere was a great big bang.\nThe tendancy is\nto punch those buttons 1, 2, 3.\nWe decided\nthat we didn ' t want to go 1,2, 3.\nWe wanted\nt o go 1, 2, (pause) 3.\nThat was exactly what\nwe did , and there wasn\nI t any doubt whether\nthe equipment adapter separated.\nI had no incl ination to look around.\nI knew it\nEe·N-FiDENTIAb"
  },
  {
   "n": 279,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p279.jpg",
   "text": "271\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi t e\nMcDivitt\nwas gone.\nThat' s when Ed hollered, \"'l'here go the pump\npackages ! I see two pump packages out there.\nJust exactly what John Young said!\"\nThey separate right off to the left side.\nJim\ncouldn ' t see them because of the position of\nhis head.\nI could see them.\nThat 's right.\nI never saw them at all .\nI could clearly see the t wo pumps together on\nthe mounting and mounted together.\nThey were\nright together.\nAnd I'll back John up to hilt\non that one.\nI saw them too .\nWe got the ad~pter separated with all the at­\ntendent flying pump packages.\nQuite a flourish, isn' t it?\nRight.\nI t sure is . It was a big bang.\nThere ' s\nno doubt about it.\nAt TR- 30 , the TR- 30\nSequence Light s ceme on, and at that t:Lme Ed\nsaid, \"The s aquence 1ights came on about a\nsecond or a second and a half in advance. \"\nSo , I armed retro squibs , and we discussed\nwhether or not to punch off the Auto- retr o\nButton or not. If the TRS was fast, I didn't"
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   "n": 280,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p280.jpg",
   "text": "272\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nwant to p,mch it off ahead and have t he retro­\nrockets go off early, but I figured that it·\nwasn't in a hurry that much.\nBut if it c8Jlle\non much earlier than that, i t was really going\nto make us short. So, I finally decided that\nwe'd go ahead and ann the Auto-retro Button at\nabout three seconds so that we weren' t going\nto be any more than 15 or 20 miles short as a\nresult of the retrorockets going off early.\nWe'd still get the auto- retrofire, signal\nthrough, so that if something went ·,:rong with\nthe manual retrofire signal we'd still get the\nretrorockets fired .\nI felt that three seconds\nearly would be better than a possible 15 or 20\nsecond one in case we had to go through some\nnon-nominal method of firing the retros in case\nthe manual button didn't make it work.\nI told\nEd to arm the auto-retrofire, a.nd he did this\nat about three seconds and i t fired automati­\ncally at between two and one seconds, I think,\nin the count.\nYes.\nI felt that we got a one-plus second early\neo·~Ft0E~TIA1"
  },
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   "n": 281,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p281.jpg",
   "text": "273\n\\ohite\nMcDivitt\n5.7 TR-0 Events\nMcDivitt\nauto-retrofire.\nRi ght.\nI did too .\nWe went through the little\ndiscussion there from minus 30 down, and I knew\nwhat Jim's point was.\nI think I distrusted the\nsystem a tad more than Jim did, but I thought\nhis logic was good.\nWe had two systems work­\ning to fire the rockets.\ni was in full agree­\nment.\nWe went through and saved fuel for four days\nso we could do an OAMS retrofire.\nI felt if\nwe're going to adopt that sort of philosophy\nand go through that long of a lean fuel period,\nthen we could afford another few miles of in­\naccuracy thrown in by an early retrofire if we\ngot the redundancy that you would get from a\ndouble-firing.\nSo , I elected to go ahead and\nhave Ed push it.\nAl though it probably con­\ntributed on the order of 8 to 10 miles to our\nmiss distance, I don ' t think it really hurt us\nthat bad.\nI had the spacecraft in the retrofire attitude,\nand when the retrorockets f ired, I-­\n'Ee·NFl0 ENTtft:t:-'"
  },
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   "n": 282,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p282.jpg",
   "text": "274\nWhite\nI had also pushed the man1lal b'uttG::·. on time.\n•\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nSo, it was about a second after they actually\nfired.\nExcellent.\nThe spacecraft was in the proper\nretro-attitude and we got a real good push from\nthe retrorockets.\nThere are four distinct\npushes, and I never felt a pause between any\none of them.\nDid you?\nYes, a little pause between each one.\nI\nthink my cues wei:e tuned llp in a different\nmanner than yours.\nYours were working on the\ncontrols.\nDid you feel that you could actual­\nly see the acceleration? You weren' t looking\nout the window.\nI was a little bit. It looked like we were\nactually turned around and started back the\nother way. ila, ha!\nI really could feel the g ' s .\nNothing that was\nuncomfortable, but I felt each one of them and\nI al so felt looking out that I could see the\nspacecraft sl owing down.\nI know i t was such a\npityingly amount compared to our velocity, but\nI was looking down on the ground when they fired ."
  },
  {
   "n": 283,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p283.jpg",
   "text": "275\nroNE,IQENTIA::~\n-\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivi\";~\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcnivi\";•\nYour view of the ground is considerable at\nminus 30 degrees, a~i it did seem like I could\nsee the spacecraft actually slow down.\nI don't know what the magnitude of the g's was\nduring retrofire. We were super- sensitive, I'll\ntell you that.\nWe'll get to that later.\nAs\na matter of fact, later on when I was debating\nabout whether or not the g meter worked, I\nstopped and hit the reset button, and it did\n·:1come down. It came down f:r, ~ic. something less\nthan oL-s· to zero.\nI 'd say bet;.reen 2/10 of a g and 1/2 g dtiring\"\nretrofire.\n'I 'd guess something about that order too . It\nsure seems a lot.\nYour cues a=e really up,,fo r the g's.\nYou've been at zero e for so long, anything\nfeels like it ' s a lot.\nI was at zero rates ani in the proper attitud~.\nI was in Rate Command when the retrorocket s\nfired .\nI maintained the attitude very well.\nIt was very ea$y.\nThere ·were no deviations at\nall .\nEd was standing by on the roll rate gyro\n--COl>al~IDENl lAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 284,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p284.jpg",
   "text": "276\nCO ► lFIDEN·f~At •\nWhite\nMcDi vitt\nWhite\nin case it looked like I was loosing control\nin yaw.\nHe could turn off the roll rate gyro\nand get all the authority that I needed in yaw.\nAs far as I could see, it never deviated more\nthan a degree from where I was supposed to be.\nI don ' t think it ever got off that center bar\nin yaw, :ind it never got a dot- that little\ndot- -away from the 30 degree mark as far as I\ncould tell.\nCould you see any, Ed?\nI was sitting there watching it and enjoying\nit at that t~me tecause the attitude was stay­\ning right on.\nYes. It was right on.\nWe got the 6V in the\nright direction.\nN,:-w, the IVI' s didn't read\nout, because we didn ' t have the computer on,\nso we really couldn't tell.\nIt was as steady as a rock.\nYou could see the\ndecelerations and looking out the window, I couldn' t\ndetect any movement\nin attitude.\nI was\nlooking right down on the ground several times\nduring several of the retros, and I think you\ncould detect motion fairly well .\nI didn't see\nany.\nC.Qt> jJ; I9-ENlLA.L."
  },
  {
   "n": 285,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p285.jpg",
   "text": "277\ncer~ftDENT~Ai.\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI'll tell you.\nI was really happy after that\nOAMS retrofire and the retrorocket retrofire .\nI figured that we had exactly what we were\nsupposed to , and I was positive we were going\nto come down on that cotton-picking carrier.\nI was really quite happy after that , because\nI don't think 3ven i :c.. t:'1\"\" simulator we ever had\non0 t~.d-~· easy.\nShall we make 01lr admission on OAMS retro at this\ntime, Jim?\nYes.\nAs a matter of fact it might be appro­\npriate.\nI'm probably one of the biggest an­\ntagonists to the OAMS retrofire that there\npossibly is at the Manned Spacecraft ·center,\nbecause I think it's a fuel wasting ma~euver\nand a lot .-:,f other things.\nI still think it is.\nI ' ll still say one thing--after I fired the\nOAMS retrofire and I knew I was going to come\ndown, I was a l •::>t more relaxed than I had been\nbefore I got there.\nI ' m going to have to tell\nDr. Gilruth that , but I still think we can get\nby without it.\nIt was nice to see tt work. It was nice.\nCONRDENTJAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 286,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p286.jpg",
   "text": "278\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nIt was , and I was real sorry we d:idn'·t havG\na computer because after those two thingn , which\nI thought were done certainly as good as I\ncould possibly do them.\nI felt sure that ~e\ncould have landed right on the cotton-pickin~\ncar rier ' s deck if we just had a computer to tell\nus wher e t o go . I would have liked to have tried\nthe guidance.\nI worked hard eno,.1g'.l on that\nreentry guidance and I didn't get to use it .\nJim, I think there is one thing that we left\nout - -the reading of the percentage of 0AMS fuel\nleft.\nI think we called out --3\nor 4\nper cent.\nThat ' s right.\nI had\n3\nor . 4\npe·rcen t\nremaining on the gage .\nWe called it out and\nit will be on the tape .\nI wrote it down ~t\n3\npercent.\nHere it is.\n3 percent\nof\nthe fuel left after 0AMS.\nYes , an1 it wa~ a little hard to rea1 down\nthere and parallax was\npretty bad.\nI estima­\nted that it was\n3\nper cent.\nI read off the g_uantity on the gage and it was\na little over 1100."
  },
  {
   "n": 287,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p287.jpg",
   "text": "279\nfl\nMcDivitt\nWh1te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n1100 psi?\nYes.\nI'll tell you one thing about the out-the­\nwindow view at 30 degrees pitch-down attitude.\nYou're really pitched down at 30 degrees .\nThat's another thing that I noticed.\nI was\nlooking out the window, and I s~rely wasn ' t\nobse~ving much in the way of a horizon.\nI was\nlooking at the ground.\nThe top · 2 inches of the window has the hori­\nzon in it.\nSo , if you really had a bad r etro\nand you get scr ewed up a l i ttle bi t , you coul d\nlose your horizon.\nYou could lose your horizon, but I think you've\ngot a good enough view of the motion of the\nground az1d an object on the ground.\nI thl.nk\nyou could do a very effective job.\nIf I really hai to do a..~ out-the-window retro\nI ' m 11.)t even sure that I ' d look out and use the\nhori zon.\nI think I ' d pick a spot on the ground.\nThat' s the point I was making.\nYou' d put a\ngrease pencil on your window.\nYou'd have to use both .\n@9NFll:)ENtL~L"
  },
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   "n": 288,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p288.jpg",
   "text": "280\nWhi.te\nI LM.nk you'd find a spot on the ground, and.\nhold it.\nMcDivitt\nBecause the spot on the ground is going to move.\nWhi.te\nYes, it's going to move during the fir~ .\nThat's\nexactly what you do on an attitude ball. you\nknow .\nYou have a horizm1 and you have a spot\nand then you fly tha\":; :~pot.\nSo, it sounds kind\nof l ike the thing I think you can do.\nMcDivitt\nThe retrorockets fired, as I said, in the order\n1, 2, 3, 4.\nWe got the manual fit'e out-­\nbutton punched.\nEd got that.\nWe had said that\nbecause we're getting a countdown we were going\nto fire the Manual. Retrofire Button ex1L­,tly\nwhen we got to zero.\nWe weren' t going to wait\naro,md a second af ter that so that we got the\ncomputer and all that jazz on the line.\nWe\ndidn ' t have .any ,;01:iputer to get on the line.\nWe weren't going to read out anyth:i.ng on the IVI' s\nor anything else.\nAll we were concerned with\nwas firing the retrorockets .\n5,8 Retropack Jettison\nMcDivitt\nI waited 45 seconds.\nI started rolling over at\nthis time. When 45 seconds crune, I had t~e\nCONf~DfENTIAb."
  },
  {
   "n": 289,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p289.jpg",
   "text": "281\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDi vitt\n5.9 Communications\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n5. 10 Update\n/4ONFl0-ENflAt­\nretro-;;ett squib on, and I punched off tho retro- -­\nThe light came on And you punched it .\nThat 's right.\nThe light came on at 45 seconds\nand I punched it.\nThere was a real solid bang,\nand I knew we separated from the retropack.\nNo\ndoubt there either.\nAs we went on down , we\nfinally sa•,r the retropack com,::- on around behind\nus .\nDo you have anything else on the retropack\njettison? I guess not.\nThat ' s pretty simple.\nWe got the com from t:~e ground.\nI thought we had good communicat.tons with the\nground.\nNo problems with the communications.\nI was a\nlittle concerned with the communications\nearlier in the flight , because we wer en' t get-•\nting anything.\nWe weren't getting retrofire\ntimes or any other information.\nBut to~ards\nthe end of the f light coouwmica.tio:is wer,1 8iC­\ncellent.\n-EONFIDENTI-Al!­"
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  {
   "n": 290,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p290.jpg",
   "text": "282\nMcDi vitt\nThe update was awful , I think.\nAs I mentioned\nearlier, they updated our TRS but the TRS was\nobviously not running with the ground.\n6.0 REENTRY\n6.1 Reent:cy Par ameters Update\nMc:Divitt\nWe really didn't have a reentrs parameters up­\ndl:l.te post-retro .\nWe went intn black-out pretty\nquick.\nThere wasn ' t anything to update.\nWe\nwere going to st art rolling at 400 000 .\nRe­\ngardless of anything else, we had a pre•­\nprogram_~ed reentry.\n6.2 400K\nWhite\nWe were at 400K before you got your\n3 ­\nMinute Update.\nMcDivitt\nThat's right.\nAt two minutes a~d 38 secondA\nwe were through 400 000 feet.\nWe got there in\na hurry.\nI roll ed upside down, and I flew do,m\nto 400 000 feet , which was to be at 2:38,\nHow­\never, I thought that we ' d retrofired a little\nearly, so I wasn ' t in any great rush to start\nmy rolling reentry.\nI dela¥ed about :another\n30 or 40 secondA.\nThe only reason I delayed\nwas because I knew there wasn't any rush to get\neeMfteENl-lAJ_"
  },
  {
   "n": 291,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p291.jpg",
   "text": "283\nC6 ► ~Fl0ENTIA \"\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nover, because if we were going to be nnypl a~e ,\nwe were going to be short.\nI j\".1st wanted to\nget over a.nd get in a good attitude.\nSo , I\nr olled the thing upside down, got the-­\nOne thing---on the Post- retro Checklist, we\ndedded this time to use Reentry Rate Command\nrather than Direct.\nThat ' s r ight.\nThat ' s a deviation on our checklist.\nWhen I got the thing upside dow:n, I was still\nin Rate Co!llllla.nd.\nI held the lift vect or up,\nheads down, until I got down\nto· about 3\nminutes and 15 seconds .\nI got my 3 minute\ntime hack from the ground.\nI got my clock\ncounting up a 3 minutes .\nAt about 3 minutes\nand 15 seconds I started th0 roll.\nWhat I did\nwas, I put in aoout 15 degrees/second, and then\nwe turned off the roll gyro .\nI just left the ·\nthing rolling.\nI controlled the pitch and yaw\ninside the rate deadba.nd, which was plus or\nminus 4 degrees , just a3 you would in Direct.\nstill had the rate deadba.nd\nt o take care of\nany wild pertubations that we got into .\n-€0NFl0ENllAL\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 292,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p292.jpg",
   "text": "6. 3 .04 g\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWe didn ' t even have a time for .04 g's did we?\nNo .\nWe d.id:a' t h:we ::1.ny-thing like that.\nWe\nstarted rolling reentcy at 400 000 feet, except\nthat I didn ' t start it until ah-.ut 45 seconds\nafter that to make sure that I had good atti bd9.\nI started the thing around the way I wanted it.\nJust .<.i,lxmt this tim,~, we saw the retro adapter\nstart floating back past us.\nI figured the\nother day that thing was small-end- forward\nrather than blunt-end-forward.\nI'd sa:y it was front-end- forward too.\nWe saw the spherical end of the retrorockets.\nRemember?\nYes.\nAll four of them.\nAll fo·..1r of them.\nWe didn ' t see the nozzle.\nIt had done a 180-degree turn small-end­\nforward and it was as stable a8 a rock.\nWe\ncould see the whip antennas sticking out to the\nside.\nExactly the position it should go to .\nThat's\nthe heaviest end, I would presume.\nIt would tend to trim that way too.\nExcept that\nEONi;,IDENTIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 293,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p293.jpg",
   "text": "285\nCONFtDENTl;ttt-\nI didn ' t think there would be any aerodynamics\nat 400 000 feet .\nBut it was turned around 180\ndegrees and was perfectly stable with the whip\nantenna sticking out, which at that iime was up\nto the right.\nWhite\nYes.\nMcDivitt\nWe were upside down.\nIt sure was a funny look~\ning sight.\nWhite\nIt sure was. It was really pretty.\nMcDivitt\nAnd it was as stable as a rock and very slowly\nd:t'ifting behind us .\nAs a matter of fact, for\na while I thought that our opening velocities\nwere too slow, and I thought it would just\ncome back and hit us.\nBut, it just stayed out\nthere, and we started our rolling reentry there.\nWe were coming on down and we were rolling\naround and before I got any noticeable g ' s at\nall--Isn' t that right--before we got any notice­\nable g ' s it s t arted burning?\nWhite\nOkay.\nWe saw the reddish pink layer come a­\nround the spacecraft--\nMcDivitt\nWell, didn ' t we see the retropack start burning\nbefore the­ - ?\n-CONFtDENllM"
  },
  {
   "n": 294,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p294.jpg",
   "text": "286\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n~ 0 t>J FI l;)fNTIAi.\nWhichever way we saw it , it's on the tapes ,\nbecause we discussed it pretty thoroughly.\nThat ' s right , as we were doing it.\nBut I sort\nof vaguely recall that watching the retros\nafter us as we s]!lllrl around , it started glowing\na little bit and then you could see this big\nspray come off the front--shock or something.\nIt looked like it was just melting and corning\naway.\nIt just looked like a great big orange\nmushroom back there, and that's when it really\nstarted falling behind us.\nWe hadn ' t felt any g ' s at all.\nHad you felt any\nIgs?\nNot that time .\nI ' m sure that I hadn ' t felt any g' s .\nI was wondering why we were so light .\nWe were\nlooking down at Florida. We had watched Florida\ngo by and commented on it .\nShoot , we real ly made a low altitude pass across\nthe States.\nWe should have probably filed a DD­\n175 to get clearance.\nWe had to come through the control zone, you\nknow, at Eglin.\nThey're kind of sensitive about"
  },
  {
   "n": 295,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p295.jpg",
   "text": "287\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nCONf-H~ENl-lAL-­\nlower altitudes.\n... started glowing and burning and it was as\nstable as a rock as long as I could see it.\nDid you ever see it tumbl e?\nNo , never did.\nOkay. It was behind us and it looked like it\njust ate the front tight off, and I guess when\nwe first saw it , it was on the order of 200\nfeet , maybe?\nYes.\nAnd the last time I saw it , it looked like it\nwas about 3/4 .. ..\nThat was about the position that I saw the\nbooster for the first time.\nI think you ' re right.\nI guess we could see the\ndome on it and all that stuff.\nAs a matter of\nfact , it was a pretty good reentry shape.\nIt\nlooked stable as a rock.\nI t stabilized right out .\nSo, we finally saw it drop behind us and burn\nup.\nAs it finally started drawing behind us.\nWe started to get\nThe first thing I saw was the orange flame- - the\n- CONFl0ENTl~t­"
  },
  {
   "n": 296,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p296.jpg",
   "text": "288\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\norange or pinkish flames coming out. It looked\nlike the flame was coming up around my side of\nthe spacecraft like this .\nWas it doing that on\nyour side , too?\nYes . It looked like it was almost coming from\nthree points .\nOkay.\nProbably what it was doing was corning\naround both sides because of the angle of attack\nand going out this way.\nBut I definitely could\nsee the orange fire come up around the l eft­\nhand side of the spacecraft and out in front of\nthe window, and pretty soon I saw some green\nfire-­\nComing out of the top -­\nOh, is that where you saw it? I didn't. I saw\nthe green fire down close to the left- hand side\ncoming up over the nose inside of the red fire ,\nand then it was all swirling around there.\nThen\nwhile we were coming down, we were coming down\nin a r oll, but with our relatively high L/D, we\nwere in a great big roll with a big wallow.\nguess this is really indicative of how much lift\nwe had.\n~FfDl:NrtA~\nI"
  },
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   "n": 297,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p297.jpg",
   "text": "289\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nIt looked to me l ike we were getting a lot of\nlift out of it.\nIt looked to me we were getting an awful lot of\nlift out of it.\nIt was really whipping around there.\nAnd we were going around at a pretty good rate.\nThe needle was off to the left .\nThat ' s right .\nIt moved out sl owly , slowly and got out t o\nabout 2 degrees and it just held there .\nThe\nspacecraft was as stable as a rock.\nI damped\nthe thing a couple of times in pitch and yaw and\nit just stablized right on down there.\nI\ndon ' t think I even t ouched the pitch again .\nI\nthink I maybe touched the pitch four times all\nthe way down and the yaw maybe six or seven\ntimes.\nWhat I was looking at was just a huge\nportion of the sky.\nI could see the ground,\nthen I could see the sky, and I really saw a\nlot of the country as we came rolling by.\nWhat surprised me is how much it was.\nI knew\nwhy it was doing it but I thought it was\neeNFtofNllAL.."
  },
  {
   "n": 298,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p298.jpg",
   "text": "290\narc was that this thing cut out.\nThat thing\nwas a real lifting body.\nYou ' re really getting\na lot of lift initially, and if you roll around\nthere, you 'd kill it all off; and your aero­\ndynamics is such that you really can't tell,\nbecause the stability is so loose right there .\nWhite\nYou know you're going to get some lift if you\nhave an offset CG, but you couldn't tell\nwhere it was going,\nMcDivitt\nYou ' re in the area where you're getting a lot of\nlift so i f you do a roll , you've lost that\nrange right off the bat .\nWe came down on this\ngreat big spiral, and here I think we ought to\nget into\n6.4 Acceleration Profile\nMcDivitt\n- - the acceleration at retrofire.\nI called\ndown on the ground and told them that we had\nfour retros.\nWe got automatic.\nWe got auto­\nretro.\nWe got all four in sequence .\nWe got\nauto- retro.\nAuto- retrofire appeared to be about\na second and a half early.\nIn the acceleration\nprofile I said, \"Well, here come the g ' s, Ed. \"\nand I felt the g ' s going up.\nHe said yes."
  },
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   "n": 299,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p299.jpg",
   "text": "291\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI said, \"Yes .\nThere are two of them, aren't\nthere?\"\nYes, and then we waited a while longer and-­\nI said, \"Gee, there ' s nothing on the g- meter. \"\nI said, \"The g-meter must be broken \" ,so that ' s\nwhy I reached up and reset it . It actually\nwent down a little bit. So we went a little\nwhile longer, and I said, \"Ed, I feel a lot of\ng ' s \", and he said , \"So do I .\" Then he said 1:We\nmust be up between three and four. \"\nIf felt like that.\nAnd I said, \"Yes, I think we're up about that\nhigh too .\" And the g-meter was still reading\nzero for all pratical purposes . Pretty soon it\nstarted building up slowly. It went up to\n2, 3, 4, and I called out at 2, and I called\nout at 4, and I called out at 6, and I think I\ncalled out at 7.\nAbout the time you called out the 2, I knew we\nhad been had.\nYes. It's just that we were super-sensitive to\ng's and the load pulling us into the seat was\non .the order of a tenth of a g.\nIt ' s true.\nCONFIDENTIAt-'"
  },
  {
   "n": 300,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p300.jpg",
   "text": "292\nMcDivitt\nWhite\ncor~FtOENr~~\nSo , we had 1/10 g and we thought· we had 3 . .And\nwe both felt this way .\nThe g 's went up to a­\nbout 7 1/2.\nThey told us we would probably get\n8 g ' s coming down .\nWhen we got the instrument\npositions back from the spacecraft , the post\nlanding switch positions, they had the g- meter\nmarked at 7 1/2 g ' s , and I suspect that ' s\nprobably about as high as it went.\nNow , I ' m\ntelling you this was really a piece of cake.\nI thought that maybe 7 1/2 g ' s aft~r being out\nthere for so long would be tough , but I di.dn ' t\neven have to breathe hard to get any air,\nI\njust lay there and relaxed and enjoyed the whole\nthing, and I really got a big kick out of that\nreentry.\nWe chatted back and forth .\nWe talked through\nthe whole g-load, and I was watching outside\nand inside .\nI was looking out quite a bit of\nthe time when things were going so smoothly,\nparticularly the g- load.\nWhen you get to the\nhigh g's , you might as well look out, because\nyou ' re not going to do anything about it , and\nI noticed no dimming in vision .\nEverything was\nas clear as a bell .\nNot a speck. I could see\n-CONfJDENTIJXt"
  },
  {
   "n": 301,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p301.jpg",
   "text": "293\n_c:GNFIDENJIAL\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\neverything on the instrument panel , and I could\nsee things very clearly outside .\nThings were going so smoothly on the inside that\nI looked out too .\nI enjoyed the scenery on the\nway down .\nOnce you get in that position and you get the\nhigh g ' s you ' re not going to do anything inside .\nIn the amplitude of the oscillations, --all the\nsimulations show that they tend to decrease as\nyou get to high g ' s and the fr equency picks up.\nSo the only thing you could do is hurt things if\nyou start screwing around with it , except we\ndidn ' t have any oscillations anyway. It was just\nas stable as a rock.\nI think at this point I ' d like to put something\nin.\nI ' d like to find out when they analyze the\ndata whether the upper right-firing thrusters\non my side were firing a whole magnitude more\nthan the right-hand upward-fir ing thrusters .\nIn\nfact, they very early in the pr ofile became a\ncherry red and just stayed red hot , even a little\nbit white hot all the way down .\nThere was no frequency to it at all . It appeared\nto me they were firing continually and I think\nL'ONFIDEN:J:IAl"
  },
  {
   "n": 302,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p302.jpg",
   "text": "294\nMcDivitt\nmaybe this might associate itself in some wa;y\nwith something in the system prior.\nI think it was prior, because we were in Reentry\nRate Command and we started the roll. Then the\nyaw needle drifted on out and it looked to me\nlike it never got over about 3 degrees/second.\nI was trying to read the 0.1 degree/second seal~\nIt might have gone on to 4 degrees/second with\nthe roll rate we had in there , and the jets just\nkept right on firing constantly.\nWhat I had done when we started was to leave the\nroll gyro on, and I rolled the thing over till\nI got almost full deflection on the needle .\nThen\nI put the roll gyro off so I'd have 15 degrees\nand we wouldn't tend to overrate the thing so\nt hat the Reentry Rate Command was firing all\nthe time .\nWhat I think happened was that as\nwe went on down, the yaw rate needle tended to\ndrift on out .\nI don't know if you noticed it or\nnot , but it tended to drift out . It started at\naround 2 degrees/second, and it drifted on out\nslowly until it got to about 4 degrees.\nI\nthought it never got out to more than 3 degrees/\nsecond .\nLater on, when we started oscillating\nCO~ ◄ ftOENf~AL"
  },
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   "n": 303,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p303.jpg",
   "text": "295\nCONFt-DENTiA-1.\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\naround like we did, if the thing were out at 3\ndegrees and started banging back and forth at\nall , the yaw thrusters would be on constantly;\nand also that ' s the side that they'd be on. It\nwould have been on the right-hand side.\nAre you\nsure that it was red that high up, or did it get\nred when we started getting down where we got\nall those oscillations? Because there I ' m sure\nit was firing all the time.\nIt was red for a long time, Jim,\nWas it?\nI was actually watching it, waiting for one of\nthem to bust loose, because it was really firing\na lot more than I thought it was out there. Jim\nasked me about the frequency of it, and I could­\nn't tell whether it was on or off . It was r ed\nall the time. The other one was hardly heated\nup at all.\nShoot .\nThere wasn't any need for any kind of\nfiring then.\nIt would be interesting to see if the other yaw\nthrusters were.\nWell, it ' ll be interesting when they cut these\nthings apart to see what kind of life cycle -­\n(!IQl'IFIDENJIAL."
  },
  {
   "n": 304,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p304.jpg",
   "text": "296\nWhite\nI t really had a good workout.\n6.5 Spacecraft control\nMcDivitt\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n6.6 100 000 feet\nMcDivitt\nSpacecraft control was like a dream.\nA good\nengineering description. There weren't any\noscillations. It was as stable as a rock.\nI\ndon't think we need to say much more about that .\nIt wasn' t like any failure simulation we've\nseen . It was the easiest thing to control, easier\nthan any simulation I 've seen.\nShoot! A baby\ncould have done it.\nWe started getting oscillations around then and\nthe Reentry Rate Command fired a few times and I\nd~mped it in pitch and yaw.\nThere really wasn't\nany control problem to it at all, I didn ' t feel.\nDid you think there was?\nNo .\nI would have been watching closer if I had\nthought there was .\nThe altimeter was at 96 700 feet throughout\nthe entire flight. It started on down,and we\nwere still at about 5 or 6 g's when that thing\nstarted on down. It went on down to about\n92 000 feet, and then the g's started off, and\nthe altimeter started back up again."
  },
  {
   "n": 305,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p305.jpg",
   "text": "297\nMcDivitt\n6.7 50 000 feet\nMcDivitt\nIt went all the way back to about 96 000 feet\nagain, and then it started down again. The\nsecond time it started down, it really started\ndown in a hurry, and I was sure that we were\nstill at 100 000 feet.\nSo , I waited until the g level got about 3, which\nis around 80 or 90 thousand feet.\nI started slow­\ning the roll rate there.\nI wanted to get the\nthing to a zero roll rate by the time we got to\n40 or 50 thousand feet, certainly by the time we\ngot to 40.\nWe started gyrating around some more,\nbut I didn't think it was exceptional. The\nReentry Rate Command started firing.\nAs a matter\nof fact, I said!'H?re comes the Reentry Rate\nCommand, \" and then I was firing on top of .it so\nthat we really weren't oscillating too much.\nThen we got to 40 000 feet and I put the drogue\nchute out, and that's where things really got\nexciting.\nI put the drogue out at 40 000 feet.\nWe were nice\nand stable as we went down.\nWe were a heck of a\nlot more stable than we were when we put the\ndrogue chute out."
  },
  {
   "n": 306,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p306.jpg",
   "text": "298\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nThat ' s right by several orders of magnitude.\nWhen we put t he drogue chute out, we were\nconcerned about the thing destabilizing rather\nthan stabilizing.\nSo I intended to put the\ndrogue out and leave the control at Reentry Rate\nCommand . This I did,\nand we oscillated all over\nthe sky.\nWe estimat ed pl us or minus 40 degrees ,\nand I t hink we were at least every bit of that .\nWe were, and when the drogue chute came out , I\nwas right in the sun so I couldn ' t see i t , and\nI didn't know whether we had one or not,\nYou\ncalled it out , and about t he t ime you cal led\nit out , I coul d see it up there gyrating\nwildly around .\nI never could tell whether the thing dereefed or\nnot.\nI had a lot of goop on my window and the sun\nwas out , and all I could see was the shape of the\ndr ogue up there , and it really was fluttering\naround .\nWe wer e plus or minus 40 degrees to it\nwithout any doubt , and I wouldn' t be a bit sur­\nprised if we wer en' t plus or minus 60 degrees to\nit . We wer e r eal ly getting tossed around.\nIt was just jer king al l around .\nIt was fast , but I don ' t think it was that big a\nGOMftB·Et'4TIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 307,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p307.jpg",
   "text": "299\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n'EON·Fl0ENTIM\nmagnitude.\n(McDivitt is making a noise to des­\ncribe it.)\nAbout like that.\nI was really surprised the thing held on there,\nto tell you the truth.\nSo was I. I was expecting the drogue chute to\nfall off any minute.\nI was, too.\nIt worked all right.\nIt held us together.\nIf I went through it again, I'd be perfectly\nhappy sitting there riding through it, to tell\nyou the truth.\nThe way I looked at it, it was rather interesting.\nI hadn't quite expected that.\nNeither did I. I know that Gus said that he had\na pretty wild ride and he thought the thing was\ndestabilizing him.\nHe had a scheme where he just\nturned off the propellent valves to stop the\npropellent flow.\nThat meant that he had to wait\nabout 10 or 15 seconds to get the propellent\nvalves back open again to get the jets firing.\nWell, I wasn't going to do that. I thought\nthe thing to do was to turn off the electronics\nCOMF10cNTIAt­"
  },
  {
   "n": 308,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p308.jpg",
   "text": "300\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nOOt◄ FIDE~rtAL\nand see if the thing was going to become unstabl~\nThis is what I did .\nI turned off the RCS elec­\ntronics .\nThe thing was that they didn't get\nany worse . It didn ' t get any worse .\nI watched it.\nI could see enough of it to tell that we weren't\nbecomi ng wistable.\nIt was unstable to a point and then it stabilized\nout in this oscillation .\nThat ' s right . It was really gyrating around .\nBy that time we were down to 20 000 feet and I\ncalled, \"20 thousand feet. Pull down the handles\" ,\nor something to that effect .\nYou called out 28 .\nIs that what I said? And then, I pulled the\npropellant valves, as I had planned to do, and\nturned the oontrol node to Rate Command rather\nthat. Reentry , because I wanted to burn up\nall the fuel that I could out of those manif olds .\nAs a matter of fact, I was interested in burning\nup all the fuel I could bef ore I got to the\nground .\nI have a question.\nI thought you put it in\nRate Command before you turned off the valves ,\nand it pretty well damped itself out on the\n€QtqftDENffM"
  },
  {
   "n": 309,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p309.jpg",
   "text": "301\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ndrogue.\nNo, I don't think I did.\nOkay.\nI don' t think I did. I think I left it i n\nReentry Rate Command until I turned it off\nand then turned\noff the power.\nI went from\nACME to OFF on both rings . It didn ' t get\nany worse. I think what I might have done is\nI might have gone from OFF to ACME to Rate\nCommand , to turn the propellant valves off rather\nthan going from\nWell, I know it damped out there in the end\nconsiderably.\nI think it was when the Rate\nCommand, or whatever it was, was firing,\nWell , Reentry Rate command was going all the\ntime.\nWe were going at a heck of a lot\nfaster rate than 4 degrees/second.\nWell, we cut down our oscillations considerably\nafter you did something over there.\nI thought\nyou had put it in Rate Command .\nI did put it in Rate Command , but I didn't\nleave the propellant on. This was why I\nwanted to get r id of all the propellant onboard\nt he spacecraft if I could. But I didn't want\n€0NFJDEN+1Al­"
  },
  {
   "n": 310,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p310.jpg",
   "text": "302\nto let those things fire for a long time and\nmaybe eat up t he drogue chute, and find ourselves\nwithout propellant and without drogue chute , too .\nSo , once we got the drogue chute out, I let\nthe things fire for a while and turned the\nelectronics off. Maybe I turned it back on and\nwent to Rate Command , and off with the prop­\nellant valves .\nI 'm not really sure.\nWhite\nI think you had it in Rate Command for a little\nwhile - --i)robably while you were firing out the\nfuel.\nMcDivitt\nYes, that ' s what I did .\nI went to Rate Command\nand let all the fuel fire out,\njust as we had\nplanned.\nSo that I was sure that the rates were\nhigh enough t hat we were going to fire out the\nfuel without disturbing the thing on the drogue.\nSo we fell on down .\nEd got the snorkel on the\nvent valve about 28 to 27 thousand feet .\nWe\ncame on down .\nI watched the altimeter go through\n11 ooo. .\n6.8 Main Chute Deployment\nMcDivitt\nAt 10 600 I punched out the main chute.\nI saw\nit go out with a lot of crap and corruption flying\noff the nose .\nIt went out and came out in a\nreefed conditi on, and I saw and I said we had a\ngood reefed chute.\nI don ' t guess you\n-@!ONftiJEN 1IAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 311,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p311.jpg",
   "text": "303\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n6.9 Conununications\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\ncould see that too well, could you?\nNo, I couldn't see the chute out.\nI saw it\nfinally when it deployed.\nI saw the thing hanging up there just the way it\nwas supposed to, and then the thing dereefed,\ncame billowing out just the way it should, and\n:'said, \"We ' ve got a good chute\".\nOne edge of it\ncollapsed and came back in and collapsed about\na third of the chute. We've seen a lot of movies\nof these chutes corning out, so I wasn't really\nworried about the thing collapsing. It went\nin and came back out.\nThere weren't any communications that I could\ntell were there? Maybe we received some trans­\nmissions on the drogue, but I'm not really sure.\nAs soon as we •deployed the main chute the antenna\ncame off.\nSo we couldn't talk to anybody after\nthat .\nI don't think we got anythi ng on t he drogue.\nI ' m not really sure that we did.\nI don't think we did.\nShoot!\nWe were getting thrown around so that\nwe couldn't have heard anything anyway.\nC8t--.J·F ID-ENTIAI:\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 312,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p312.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivi tt\n-cot ◄ FIE>Et~TIAl\nThey tried to communicate with us a couple of\ntimes after we came out of the blackout and before\nwe put the drogue out .\nI didn't hear exactly\nwhat he was saying. He wasn't hearing anything\nI was saying either as far as I could tell .\nHe\nwasn ' t acting like he heard what I was saying.\nHe gave us our blackout times of 5+23 and 9+21,\nand there really wasn't too much we could do to\ncheck these out .\nAfter we got the main chute deployed , I told Ed ,\n\"Quick! Take your blood pressure .\" The chute\ncame out around 7500 feet or so , and when we\nfinally got the thing dereefed we were floating\ndown nice and gently.\nF.d s tarted taking t he\nblood pressure, and it seemed like it took an\neternally long time .\nBy the time we got down\naround 5300 feet or so, I said, \"F.d , get the\nblood pressure done because at 5000 feet we're\ngoing to go to a two-point attitude.\" He\nfooled around and fooled around and fooled\naround.\nFinally we got down to 5000 feet and\nI said, \"Ed, you' ve got about three or four more\nseconds , and we ' re going to two- point attitude . \"\nIt was a l ittle sl ow.\nI don ' t know why.\nWhite"
  },
  {
   "n": 313,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p313.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\n6. 10 Single-Point\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n305\nI didn't want to trust that altimeter .\nEd\nkept fooling around with that blood pressure\nwithout getting any air out of it, and finally\nI said, \"Okay, Ed, we're going to go to two­\npoint.\" I guess by then he had the blood\npressure completed,\nI think we got a good blood pressure.\nSo , just like we ' d always practiced, I said,\n\"3, 2, 1 , MARK \",and punched the single-point release .\nR~lease\nWe both had our heads braced up on our arms.\nWe had our arms up on the windshield and my head\nwasn't exactly on my arm.\nWas yours?\nMy head was on the arm and pressed over to the\nside of the spacecraft.\nI was well wedged in ,\nI felt.\nSo was I. My head went forward a little bi t,\nback a little bit, then back up forward again,\nand it didn ' t hit anypl ace.\nDid yours?\nNo.\nI had my head pressed on my arm the whole\ntime.\nI don't believe it left the arm very much ,\nbecause I actually had it wedged from behind , too.\nSo, I thought going to two-point was a lot\nless violent than the ~ide oniihe d:t'ogue.\n•CO1\\1 FI i;> E~~TIAt:"
  },
  {
   "n": 314,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p314.jpg",
   "text": "306\nWhi te\nI agree with you.\nI think we 've got a good\noperational procedure of bracing your head on\nyour arm up against the window--a satisfactory\nprocedure for this .\n6.11 Postmain Checklist Items\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWe took the blood pressure on the main chute , too.\nI went through what I call the reinforcement\nitems on the checklist that I wanted to get off\nright away , and t hen I sat back and pumped off\nanother blood pr essure .\nAbout this time you were\nmaking your calls to the recovery force.\nRight .\nI started calling the recovery forces\nas F,d was taking his blood pressure.\nWe got\nsome response from Omnibus right away.·\nGood old Omnibus .\nYes.\nAnd we went right on down.\nWe stowed\nthe D-ring covers .\nWe stowed the D-ring\ncover s between deploying the main chute and\ngoing to two-point, just as we had planned.\nWe\ndidn ' t want the D-ring to flop around there, and\nonce you go to two- point it's too late to\neject anyway.\nI call ed Jim to unstow his D-ring at 35 000 feet\nand he took his out at that time.\nI pulled his\n€Ot<IFIBEt<ITIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 315,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p315.jpg",
   "text": "307\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n.CO~~FID[tqffAL\nright arm lift up and I saw him pull his left one\nup.\nNo, I didn't get my left one up.\nI made three\npasses and I said to heck with it.\nI thought you got it. I struggled with mine end\nfinally got it up.\nI had both of mine up, and\nyou went on and completed the checklist .\nI knew Ed wanted me to get my D-ring out because\nI was the guy that was going to have to bail us\nout.\nAgain I'd come down with this big bag of stuff\nresting on my legs up against the bottom of\nthe seat, and as we approached 35 000 feet, I\npulled this up in my lap, and just held it. We\nhad agreed that Jim would do the ejection if we\nhad to, and I would just take the ride.\nI\ndidn't W1stow my D-ring.\nI just sat there.\nThat 's why I made pretty sure that Jim got his\nout.\nAfter we got on the main, we went through and\nturned off all the switches, just as we were\nplanning on doing it. I turned off all the\nswitches on the middle circuit breaker panel\nexcept the ones on the last couple of rows.\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 316,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p316.jpg",
   "text": "308\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n€0141 IDEP:~TIAL\nturned off the IMU, the rate gyros, the horizon\nscanner, and those switches on the cent er pedas-·\ntal.\nI di dn't turn off any over on the left\nhand side except the Landing Attitude Circuit\nBreaker.\nMay I ask you a question? Did you think it was\na shorter time from 7500 feet down to the\nground than i t was in the simulat or?\nYes, as a matter of fact I did.\nI thought it was a considerably shorter period\nof time .\nYes , we went from 5000 feet to the ground in\nnothing flat.\nYou're not kidding--nothing like we go down in\nthat simulator .\nI would be curious if we\nhave any data that tells us what our descent\nindicator was telling us on our descent?\nIt was jumping around . It was between 30 and\n40 feet/second like it does in the simulator.\nIt seemed like we went down awfully fast .\nI\nwould already finished turnfog off everything\nin the simulator with quite a bit of margin,\nbut , of course , I did take the two blood\npressures in here.\nI got all the essential"
  },
  {
   "n": 317,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p317.jpg",
   "text": "309\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n--CO~~FiDE~4TIA-L\nswitches off and started turning off nonessential\nones when you called out a thousand feet.\nAt a thousand feet I said to get ready to pull\nout the water seal.\nThat ' s right.\nYou got the water seal out at about 700 feet?\nI pulled it about 500 feet .\nWe pulled it lower than we usually do because\nusually we're sitting there waiting to go through\na thousand feet .\nRight.\nWe got down to about 300 feet, and I said\nlet's prepare for landing.\nRight.\n·€0-t~FIDft~fl.U"
  },
  {
   "n": 318,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p318.jpg",
   "text": "310\nCO t'4 Fie, Et~Tl,1 l\n7. 1 Impact\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nvfuite\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\n7,0 LANDING AND RECOVERY\nWe got down to about 300 feet, and I said, \"I\nguess we ought to get ready for landing.\" But as\nJohn Young says , \"How will you get ready for landing\nthis thing?\" So as he did, we just sat there,\nand we went through zero feet, I believe, on the\naltimeter.\nWe hit very close to the water with zero on the\naltimeter.\nI think we hit at about minus 100 feet or so.\nAny­\nway, we really plunked down in the water.\nWe hit\nten times harder than I expected to hit .\nThe\naltimeter was set at the lift-off setting.\nI\ndidn ' t fool around with setting it.\nThat 's an interesting point .\nThey ought to give\nyou an altimeter setting for the landing area.\nI don ' t think that would do any good.\nI wouldn ' t\ntrust that altimeter within a thousand feet .\nNo, but I ' d rather have my reading on it that much\nmore accurate.\nYou've got a ship sitting out there\nthat could give you the exact altime+.er setting.\nHere we had an altimeter that we hadn't set for\nGO~~ FJOPiTI 7't"
  },
  {
   "n": 319,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p319.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n311\n, CONFID-E-WllAL\nfour days.\nI hadn't thought about this .\nThe last time that altimeter does me any good is\nwhen I go through 10 600.\nWell , I guess I use it\ndown to about five or six thousand when I 'm t rying\nto get the two-point suspension. It ' s useful there ,\ntoo .\nIt was a good indication that we were coming up to\n1000 feet and to get ready for landing, Jim.\nYes.\nLike I said earlier, how do you get ready for\nl anding? All we did was sit there.\nWe 've got to stop throwing switches.\nYes, I guess so.\nI think it would be a good procedure to go ahead\nand get an altimeter setting.\nI suppose it would.\nIt only takes you a second to\ncrank the thing in.\nYes . It ' s there.\nWe ought to use it ,\nWell, we hit the water with a real wallop.\nThen I\nsort of felt that we went into about a 150-degree\nroll to the left and were dragged backward.\nWe\nwere almost upside-down going through the water\nbackwards ,\nNow, the CAG here saw us hit.\nHe saw\nus from about 100 feet on down,\nHe said it looked\nlike to him that we came down and hit the water\nCOt<lflC,Et'<ITIAL"
  },
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   "n": 320,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p320.jpg",
   "text": "312\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\n.COl>JFJE>ENflAL\nand tilted the thing up over the top.\nHe said we\nwere going blunt-end- forward, but we were actually\ntilted over the top.\nWe then did a p~tch_down\nmaneuver about 180 degrees in the water.\nI was\nsurprised that we were being dragged backwards,\nbut I got the sensation that I was going backwards\nand almost upside-down.\nI had t he kind of feeling that we went in and touched\nover a little bit, and that's about all the feeling\nthat I got.\nI don't believe we got dragged very\nmuch.\nNo, but I just felt that was the way that I was\ngoing.\nI was being pressed back in my seat like I\nwould be if I were being dragged, and I was thrown\nover to the left like I would have if we had rolled\nover this way.\nI got the left roll and I also think that I had\nless water in my window than you did.\nI had a lot\nof spray and stuff.\nDid you have solid water in\nyour window?\nI really didn't look that closely.\nI didn't look\nat the window to see what I saw there.\nI saw\nnothing but water sloshing all over the thing.\nWe\nreally seemed to hit hard, harder than I thought\nEO~◄ Flt,Et~TI.A\"L"
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   "n": 321,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p321.jpg",
   "text": "313\nWhite\n7.2 Checklists\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nwe would, but it really wasn't too hard.\nTo put everything in a comparison, the ride on the\nretro was more than I expected , the drop to a two­\npoint suspension was less than I expected, and the\nimpact was not as much as I had experienced on the\ndrogue, but more than I had expected. In other\nwords, the biggest surprises I had in order of\n~agnitude were the ride on the drogue, the impact,\nand I didn't think that I had much surprise at all\nin the two-point.\nI was expecting a big jolt and\ngot not as much as I had expected.\nWe'd gone over the normal Water Egress Checklist\nin flight before we came down.\nWe did this in\nthat three-hour period while we were preparing\nfor retrofire.\nI read it over to E:l while he was\nstowing things, and we went over it in detail\nagain as to what we would do.\nAlso we went over\nthe emergency egress in case we had to do that.\nSo we had it fresh in our minds.\nWe turned everything off that wasn 1 t needed after\nlanding.\nEd had the Post-Landing Checklist and he read it\nout to me--the things that I had to do.\nThe only"
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   "n": 322,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p322.jpg",
   "text": "314\nI\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n7.3 Communications\nMcDi vitt\nthing that I didn ' t do was to take my helmet off\nand stow it.\nI did get my arm restraints down.\ndidn ' t put my drogue mortar pins in until I was\ngetting out , and I never did put my seat pin in.\nIt doesn ' t say on the checklist to put it in.\nI put your seat pin in.\n:lli put my seat pin in for me .\nNow , we'd got all\nthe switches in the right positions, I think,\nexcept one.\nI forgot to put my FDI to the OFF\nposition.\nI think all other switches were all right.\nAll\nour pyrotechnics were safed.\nI talked on UHF. I talked with Omnibus; and I\nfinally was talking to Inkspot 64, the helicopter.\nI talked to him and I heard him, and we established\nexcellent UHF communications.\nI heard Gus coming\nthrough the auto cap two times, I think--very weak,\nalmost unintelligible.\nI think he was asking how\nwe were, or if they had us yet .\nI kept making\ntransmissions in the blind to him.\nI don ' t think\nhe was ever getting any of them.\nEd operated the\nHF , and what do you have to say about that?\nOkay.\nI put the antenna out and turned the HF on,\nWhite"
  },
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   "n": 323,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p323.jpg",
   "text": "315\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nI went through one call, a.nd then I went through a\nshort count on the HF.\nI heard nothing and received\nnothing from anybody else.\nThis was about 5\nminutes or so after we had been on the water that\nwe actually made the HF check.\nMaybe it wasn't\neven that long.\nAs soon as I got all the switches\nwhere I wanted them, I went ahead and-\nI saw you put the antennas up, and you went ahead\nand put in a transmission pretty quick.\nRight,\nI didn't make another check on the HF.\nI hadn't been too impressed with the operation of\nthe HF up to this time, and things were getting\npretty busy.\nFive or 10 minutes later we had the\nrecovery people on•\nI guess we're going to get\nto that.\nI heard them say we had a helicopter\nalmost overhead,\nThey called just after we retrofired, I think, and\nbefore we got to blackout--called and said that\nthey should have a helicopter over us in 5\nminutes.\nWe didn't get any onboard data.\nThe\nground information that I got was, as I said, from\nGus.\nThen right after we hit, Omnibus said, \"I\ngot them in sight.\nI'm 48 miles out on TACAN\nradial..: \",something or otl-1.er. So, I figured we"
  },
  {
   "n": 324,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p324.jpg",
   "text": "316\n-COt ◄ FIDE ► ffl A,b\nwere 48 miles from the ship. Well, anyway, I was\npretty sure we were 48 miles from the ship.\nThen\nI heard them calling back and forth saying the\nhelicopters were only 15 or 20 miles away, and they\nwere there in just a.bout nothing flat .\nWe had a\ngood status report on where everybody was.\nThey\nwere on our frequency, and I could hear them\ndumping their swimmers into the water and standing\nby and t hrowing smoke bombs out and seeing the\ndye markers ; and we ha.d more activity than the\nfourth of July.\n7.4 Systems Configuration\nMcDivitt\nOkay, as we hit the water, Ed closed the inlet\nsnorket to make sure we didn ' t get any £umes in as\nI punched the farachute .Jettison.\nShortly after\nthat when we decided for sure that we wouldn't see\nany fumes-~ve sort of talked about it a little bit\nand I peeked out and I guess you peeked out.\nDidn't\nsee anything but steam coming out of the thrusters\nand then saw the dye marker out there--\nI reached\nup and re-opened the inlet snorkel.\nWhite\nThat's right.\nMcDivitt\nI put the recirc valve at 45 degrees.\nWhite\nActually, shortly after we got on the water, I"
  },
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   "n": 325,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p325.jpg",
   "text": "McDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nGO~~FID9-~llA~L-\n317\nnoticed the acrid smell that we were to have for\nthe rest of the time we were out in the water.\nOn the ECS system I could actually feel the relief\nthat the pumps and the snorke1-open position were\ngiving us . It did provide some flow.\nI really\ndidn ' t think tmt the heat was oppressively hot,\nto tell the truth.\nNo, neither did I.\nIt vJS.S uncomfortably warm--I'll put it that way-­\nand very stuffy, but I wouldn't say it was over­\nbearingly hot. It wasn't as hot as I thought it\nwas going to be in the spacecraft.\nI thought the worst thing about the whole thing was\nthe smell. Whatever was burning later was the\nheat shield, I guess, because I went out and\nsmelled the spacecraft later on when I was onboard·\nthe carrier, and it smelled the same way.\nThis\nterribly nauseating acrid smell was still all over\nthe spacecraft, and it seemed to be worse at the\nheat shield.\nSo I assume that's what we were\nsmelling inside,\nHow was the control, Jim?\nSpacecraft control in the water is lousy!\nI couldn't\ntake out the motions.\nThe rates were terribl e\n•co1qflf)fN·l~A-L­"
  },
  {
   "n": 326,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p326.jpg",
   "text": "318\n•COl<IFI0Et ◄ TIAt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nuncontrollable!\nWhy don ' t you discuss the electri­\ncal . It was over on your side there, Fd.\nWell , there wasn ' t really much to discuss about\nit.\nI turned off the No . 1 and 2 squib batteries\nand left No . 3 on and the main batteries on, and\neverything performed as designed,\nWe also had\ncarried along two adapters and about the time\nJim said, \"Hey, where ' s my adapter?\", I realized\nwhere it was . It was stowed underneath a whole\npile of trash on the right-hand side.\nSo we went\nto Plan Bravo , which was our original plan before\nChuck Berry sneaked on the extra adapter on the\nlast day before the flight, which is a rather\nsneaky thing because we'd agreed at breakf~et trat\nmorning that if the adapter were on the spacecraft,\nwe wouldn ' t kick about it .\nBut Chuck conversely\nagreed that if the adapter wasn ' t on, he wouldn't\nkick about it either.\nWe later found OUL that\nhe ran to Chuck Matthews and-­\nNo , as a matter of fact , he didn ' t run to him,\nChuck\nMatthews said tra.t he decided that on his own .\nChuck Berry never-\nAll right.\nI 111 have to apologize to him because\nI have been falsely accusing him ever since.\n-EOt\\lFI0~l'1tl>tl"
  },
  {
   "n": 327,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p327.jpg",
   "text": "319\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nAnyhow, we had an extra one on, and it was stowed\nvery neatly under a great deal of trash on the:\nright-hand outside stowage box; and I felt that\nwe could more readily use the time of switching\nback and forth.\nSo we switched the aeromedical\nadapter back and forth, and with the microdot con­\nnector it was a pretty easy operational procedure.\nI don't think we missed any radio calls, and I\nthink we got probably more blood pressures there\nthan one every 15 minutes.\nYes, we would probably get one every 5\nor 6\nminutes.\nWe were back on the carrier in 45 minutes, and I'm\nsure we had two or three blood pressures there on\nthe water.\nYou even got the lightweight head-set on.\nThat 's right.\nI very dutifully put the lightweight\nheadset on with my helmet off.\nI felt better with\nmy helmet off, and I think you felt better with\nyour helmet off.\nI felt a lot better with my helmet on and my visor\nclosed, because I didn't like the smell of that\nstench there.\nI was so hot over there.\nI felt better with it off.\nJ3OMf10ENllAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 328,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p328.jpg",
   "text": "320\n(O~~FIDEt ◄ TIAL\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n7,5 Spacecraft Status\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWe did a lot of work when we first landed.\nWe\nwere fiddling all over and getting things out of\nboxes and stuff like that. We probably did more\nconcentrated manual labor in those first\n5\nminutes after we got on the water than we had done\nat any other time during the flight except trying\nto get the hatch closed.\nI think at this time I was completely drenched with\nsweat .\nI said it wasn't hot earlier, but with the\ncombination of the suits and the fairly warm\nclimate that we were in, I was sweating pretty\nheavy.\nI looked over at Jim, and he was pr~tty\nsweaty · too , I think.\nWe didn't have any RCS fumes .\nWe didn't see any\nRCS colored smoke , which is supposed to be red and\npurple or yellow or something like that .\nWe didn't\nsee any fumes at all.\nI saw a little steam.\nI saw steam.\nI saw a little steam coming out of the RCS thrusters ,\nand I was sure that there wasn't any RCS propellant\nin those manifolds, because at the rate we were\ngyrating around with that tight deadband on Rate\nCommand, if we hadn't burned all that fuel up by\nCOt'4FIDEt~TIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 329,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p329.jpg",
   "text": "White\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n321\n<IFIOEmr~r\nthen, we never would have gotcen it out.\nBut we turned the RCS thrusters off at about three\nor four thousand feet.\nSo they definitely weren't\non.\nThat ' s right.\nAnd we turned all the circuit\nbreakers off on the RCS thrusters , so they shouldn' t\nhave been firing from shorts.\nThe prop valves had\nbeen off at about 25 000 feet.\nSo we had everything\nthe way it was supposed to be, and we didn ' t see\nanything leaking. I'll comment on this window.\nI saw the main chute floating right to the left of\nus.\nI think my window might have been a little\nclearer than yours.\nI just was going to comment on the windows.\n:rt,­\nwindow was terrible!\nI couldn' t see at all.\nRemember the helicopter was hovering around in\nfront of us about 200 feet away and I never even\nsaw it. You said, \"Look at the helicopter!\"\nHe was a lot closer than 200 feet.\nHe was right\nsmack-dab in front of us.\nI never saw the helicopter.\nI couldn't see\nthrough the window.\nI'd estimate he was not farther out than 50 feet\nfrom us ."
  },
  {
   "n": 330,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p330.jpg",
   "text": "322\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nI had a couple of little holes right down at the\nbottom where I could see swimmers down there , and\nI could see the nose , but I couldn' t see up at all .\nWe were talking about the main chute there.\nI saw\nthe drogue chute floating down right next to it-­\ndrogue chute and the pilot chute with the R & R\ncan floating down right next to it.\nThey were\ncoming down through about- -1et 1s see.\nWe were on\nour backs then , weren't we?\nWe still hadn't gone\nto two-point?\nI don't remember.\nI don ' t remember either .\nI was so busy taking blood pressures .\nW~ had the drogue chute and the pilot chute floating\ndown with us for a long time just off to one side\ngoing do'Wl'l about the same rate.\nI thought that\nthey were supposed to go down slower, but I guess\nit doesn ' t .\nI guess what probably happened was\nwe saw them at single-point , but when we went to\ntwo-point , we lost sight of them.\nOkay.\nWe didn't\nhave any leaks that I could tell.\nWe had electrical\npower.\nI didn ' t check to see what the secondary\no2 pressure was .\nDid you , F,d?\nNo.\nI didn ' t ."
  },
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   "n": 331,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p331.jpg",
   "text": "323\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nWe turned off all our electrical equipment and\ncouldn' t read the gages .\nWe left the hatches\nclosed.\nWe were in moderate seas, but I wasn't\nabout to open those hatches up and take the\nchance of any water getting in that spacecraft.\nSo we elected to stay in the spacecraft until they\ngot the collar on, and kept all the hatches battened\ndown ,\nOkay, we both discussed this together and decided\nthat the way we 'd like to leave the spacecraft\nwas in our suits, and we felt that rescue was\ncoming pretty quick.\nWe decided to go ahead and\nstay in our suits.\nI think this was a reasonable\ndecision."
  },
  {
   "n": 332,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p332.jpg",
   "text": "324\net>r<4FIDEN I(Al\nMcDivi tt\nWhite\n.•\nWe both t ook our gloves off to get the things\nout of the spacecraft that we wanted.\nI left\nmy helme t on and Ed left his helmet off.\nWhen\nwe got ready to leave , we decided that we would\nput our gloves back on, take our helmets off,\nput our neck dams on, inflate our May Wests , and\nt hen get out .\nThat ' s what we did .\nThe sea\ncondit ion was just like they sa id it was- - three\nto four feet .\nThree t o four feet in that thing\nis like 2000 foot waves to an aircraf t car rier.\nWe were bobbi ng around but we had a lot of\nexperience bobbing around before, so it wasn ' t\nthat bad.\nI might add that the egress training\nin the Gulf of Mexico really made me feel real\nconfident when I was out there in that water\nall by myself.\nWhen we get to that training, I ' m really going\nto give some gold stars out .\n-COt\\JFIDE~ilAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 333,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p333.jpg",
   "text": "325\neeNFIDEt~'fl·At-\nMcDivitt\nYes .\n7.6 Post-Landing Act ivities\n•\nMcDivitt\nWhite\n7,7 Comfort\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nAs I mentioned, we stirred around the cockpit\nand got out a bunch of l.i ttle bitty things that\nwe needed.\nWe did a lot of work but we were\ndoing all right.\nWe got awfully hot.\nI guess\nwe really can't say much about the post-landing\nactivities . It went long as we expected it to ,\njust the way we want it to.\nEd , do you have\nanything?\nI think we've covered it.\nI was hot.\nI think Ed was hot.\nWe were both\nperspiring a lot.\nI think we could have lived\nin it for a lot longer than we did.\nDon ' t you?\nYes.\nDid we cover the point where they called\nand asked what kind of rescue we wanted?\nNo, I didn't.\nWhy don't you?\nI was just\nplugging in the b,io-med connector and I heard\nthem call you.\nWe could either have a heliocopter pickup in\nabout 20 minutes or we could have a pickup by\nthe carrier in the spacecraft in about an hour\nEO~FIDENfht\\b."
  },
  {
   "n": 334,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p334.jpg",
   "text": "326\n~O1\\1 FIDEl~TIM\nand 40 minutes.\nTo me it was very clear.\nMcDivitt\nIt took Ed a long time to decide-- about two or\nthree milliseconds .\nWhite\nThat' s right .\nI felt that I knew my buddy well\nenough and made the decision that we ' d take the\nheliocopter pickup .\nI saw that he was actually\non the radio at the time and he rogered the\ndecision.\nSo we waited for the heliocopter\npickup.\n7,8 Recovery Force Personnel\nMcDivitt\nWhite\nMcDivitt\nWe had good communications with the recovery\nforces .\nThey were on our frequency.\nWe heard\nall the transmissions that were going back and\nforth .\nShoot , we probabl y knew more about the\nrecovery than anybody else around.\nThey got the\nflotation collar in the water in a hurry and\ncame over and put it right on.\nI saw this thing\naround the spacecraft and I saw it start\ninflating.\nI was really elated when I saw that\n,­\nthing pumping up.\nI had the f i rst contact with the real live man.\nThat ' s right.\nHe looked in Ed ' s window to see\nif we were alive , I guess .\nC0~4FIDEt\\JTIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 335,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p335.jpg",
   "text": "327\nWhite\nVery good sight.\nThe best sight , boy, was\nseeing that yellow thing around the spacecraft.\n•\nI guess I knew we were going to be able to file\nout pretty quick.\n7.9 Egress\nMcDivitt\nAs I menti oned ear lier, we had decided to go\nout with our gloves back on and our neck dams on.\nI stood up in rny seat , disconnected our survival\nlanding gear (rny other hoses were disconnected\nso that I could stand up), inflated both of the\nMay Wests, snapped them together in the front ,\nand I just jumped right over into the life raft.\nI landed right on my can, just like I had planned\nit. It was so good to get out of there .\nF,d\ngot out.\nHe jumped in too.\nWhite\nWhen I got out I actually leaped in before I\ninflated rny May West and I think either you or--\nMcDivitt\nI told you.\nAs a matter of fact, when we\ntalked it over in the spacecraft about getting\nout , F,d said, \"Aren't you going to inflate your\nMay West?\"\nAnd I sa~d, \"Okay', and then he got\nout without inflating his.\nWhite\nI was so happy to see that raft I jumped right\n-CONFID.WIJAL."
  },
  {
   "n": 336,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p336.jpg",
   "text": "328\n€0t4PIDcl~T1Al\n7, 10 Survival Gear\nMcDivitt\n7,11 Crew Pickup\nMcDivitt\nWhit e\nMcDivitt\nWhi te\nover the side .\n•\nWe didn' t use any of our survival gear.\nWe\ndi dn ' t pull it out .\nWe just left i t exactly\nwhere it was.\nI disconnected the l anyard so\nwe wouldn' t inadvertly pull it out .\nAs soon a s F.d got into the life raft a heliocopt er\ncome over toward us and I mot ioned for Ed to\nget into t he sling and go on up .\nHe didn' t want\nto.\nHe wanted to be the last man up and I\nwasn' t going to leave my sinking ship .\nHe wasn ' t getting up with t he captain going\nfirst so he went up last.\nNo .\nEd got int o the sling and got a nice pickup .\nI got a Gulf of Mexico pickup .\nHe dragged me\nout of t he water, bumped me up against t he\nheat shield and t he spacecraft, but it was a\ngood pickup t hough.\nShoot , I was so happy to\nbe out there in that nice cold salt water\nblowing in my face ,\nI was dipping my hands in\nit and slinging it over my head.\nDi d you notice the stability of that heliocopter?\nCOt~FIBEP.~+JAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 337,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p337.jpg",
   "text": "329\nI never knew they were so stable .\nMcDivitt\nYes .\nHe must have had a good stabilization\n•\nsystem.\nThey got us picked up safe and sound,"
  },
  {
   "n": 338,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p338.jpg",
   "text": "•\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 339,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p339.jpg",
   "text": "...\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 340,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d016/p340.jpg",
   "text": "...\nJ\nt\nI\n'"
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