{ "slug": "nasa-uap-d019", "title": "NASA-UAP-D019 Gemini-5-Technical-Debriefing Part1 1965", "agency": "NASA", "year": "1965", "page_count": 223, "source_page": "https://wearenotalone.space/document/nasa-uap-d019/", "original_file": "https://wearenotalone.space/Season 03/release_03_documents/NASA-UAP-D019_Gemini-5-Technical-Debriefing_Part1_1965.pdf", "license": "U.S. Government work — public domain. Text is machine OCR from the original scan; the page image is authoritative.", "pages": [ { "n": 1, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p01.jpg", "text": ".. - ,.\n19\nY authtrity of\nE. c 11G\nhanged by C4?1 •'o <<=­\n/\nGEMINI V\nTECHNICAL DEBRIEFING (U)\nPart 1\nNOTICE: This document may be exempt from\npublic disclosure under the Freedom of lnfor•\nmation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its re­\nlease to persons outside the U.S. Government\nshould be handled under the provisions of\nNASA Policy Directive 1382.2.\nTHIS MATE RIAL CONTAINS INF'ORM.ATION AFl\"IECTING\nTHE NATIONAL OEFENSE OF THE\nUN I TEO STATES\nWITHIN THE MEANING OF' TH£ £8P'IONAGIE LAW 5 ,.\nTITLE 11. U . S.C, SECTION 793 ANO 794 .\nT HE TRANS­\nM I SSION OR REVELAT I O N Of' WH IC H IN AN Y MANNER\nTO AN UNA UTHORIZED PERSON IS PR OHIB ITED av L AW.\nGROUP 4\nOOWNCiftAOEO AT ) V EAR INTFRVALS,\nOECLASSI F'IEO AFTER\n12 VEARS\nt\n\" 6()tJF18Er4 T I;\\b" }, { "n": 2, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p02.jpg", "text": "PRELIMINARY\nGT- 5 FLIGHT CREW DEBRIEFING TRANSCRIPT\nPART I\nPrepared By\nSpacecraft Operations Branch\nFlight Crew Support Division\nSeptember 1 , 1965\nThis material contains informati on affecting the\nnational defense of the United States within the\nmeaning of the Espionage Laws , Title 18. U. S. C.\nSection 793 and 794, the transmission or revela­\ntion of which in any manner to an unauthorized\nperson is prohibited by law.\nGr oup 4:\nDowngrade at 3 year intervals\nDeclassified after 12 years" }, { "n": 3, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p03.jpg", "text": "PREFACE\nThis preliminary transcript was made from voice tape recordings\nof the GT-5 flight crew debriefing conducted August 30, 1965 thru\nSeptember 1, 1965 at the Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy , Florida.\nAlthough all the material contained in this transcript has been\nedited, the urgent need for the preliminary transcript by mission\nanalysis personnel precluded a thorough editorial review prior to its\npublication.\nErrors in this transcript will be corrected as soon as\npossible and an official transcript will be published at a later date .\nThis document contains a transcript of the first part of the\ndebriefing, during which the crew described the mission generally\nfrom an operational viewpoint.\nA preliminary transcript of the re­\nmainder of the debriefing will be published by September 3, 1965. It\nwill cover systems operations , operational checks, visual sightings,\nexperiments , pre-mission planning, mission control , and training.\na i eJ~FIDff:!TIAL" }, { "n": 4, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p04.jpg", "text": "9'0Ni;10ENTll(t\n~\nTABLE OF CONTENTS\nParagraph\nPage Number\n1.0\nCOUNTDOWN\n1.1 Crew Insertion. . . . . . . . . .\n,1\n1.2 Communications . . . . . . . . . .\n. .1\n1. 3 Crew Participation and Countdown.\n.1\n1.4 Comfort. . . . . . . . . .\n.1\n1.5 Environmental Control System\n.2\n1.6 Sounds . .\n. . . .\n2\n1.7 Vibrations . . . . . . . . . . .\n2\n1.8 Visual . . . . . . . . . . .\n. . . .\n3\n1. 9 Crew Station Controls and Displays\n4\n2. 0\nPOWER.ED FLIGHT\n2.1 Lift- Off Cues .\n. . . .\n6\n2. 2 Roll Pr ogram\n7\n2.3 Pitch Program .\n8\n2.4 Aerodyna.mci.cs.\n. . . .\n8\n2. 5 Environmental Control System. .\n9\n2. 6 Maximum q . . . . . .\n. . . .\n9\n2. 7 Windshear . . . .\n9\n2. 8\nDCS Update. . . . .\n. . . .\n9\n2. 9 Engine 1 Operati on. .\n9\n2. 10 POGO. . . . .\n10\n2. 11 Engine 2 Status .\n. . 12\n2. 12 Acceleration g' s\n. . . .\n12\n2,13 BEXJO . . . . .\n. 12\n2. 14 Staging\n. . .\n. . . .\n13\n2. 15 Engine 2 Ignition\n13\n2. 16 RGS Initiat~ . .\n~4\n2. 17 Fairing Jettison .\n15\n2,18 GO/ NO GO . .\n20\n2, 19 Systems Status\n21\n2. 20 SECO\n. 21\n2. 21 Steeri11g,\n. 22\nI'\n......\n3.0\nINSERTION\n3. 1 Post- SEXJO . . . . . . .\n. . . . .\n. . 23\n3. 2\nSEXJO + 20 Seconds . . .\n26\n3.3 Inser tion Activities . . . .\n30\n4. 0\nORBITAL FLIGHT\n38\nWf.lE>ENTl~E" }, { "n": 5, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p05.jpg", "text": "5.0\nRETROFIRE\n5. 1\n5. 2\n5.3\n5,4\n5.5\n5. 6\n!R- 36 Events..\n~R- 256 Events .\n~ - 1 Events . .. .\n1R- O Events . .. .\nRetropack Jettison.\nCommunications.\n6.0\nREENTRY\n6.1\n6. 2\n6.3\n6.4\n6.5\n6.6\n6.7\n6. 8\n6, 9\n6.10\n6 . 11\n6.12\n400 K\n. . . . . . .\nAcceleration profile.\nSpacecr aft control .\n100 000 Feet .\n.\n50 000 Feet ....\n35 000 checklist items .\nCommtmi cati ons.\n. .\n10. 6K barostat.\n. . .\nMain chute deployment\nSingle point release .\nBlood pressure measurements\nPostmain checklist items .\n7. 0\nLANDING AND RECOVERY\n7. 1\nImpact. . .\n.\n7,2\nChecklists .\n.\n7.3\nCommunications.\n7.4\nSystems Configuration .\n7, 5\nSpacecraft Status .\n.\n7. 6\nPost- Landing Activities\n7,7\nComfort .\n. . . . ..\n7.8\nRecovery Force Personnel .\n7.9\nEgress .\n.\n7.10 Survival Gear\n7.11 Crew Pickup\nPage Number\n.168\n. 172\n.173\n. .174\n.182\n.183\n.194\n.196\n.197\n.197\n.198\n. 202\n.202\n.202\n. 203\n. 204\n..204\n. 205\n.206\n. . 210\n. 211\n. 211\n. 212\n. 213\n. 214\n. 214\n.214\n.215\n.215" }, { "n": 6, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p06.jpg", "text": "1\n1 .0 COUNTDOWN\n1.1 Crew Insertion\nCooper\nThe crew insertion, I thought, went very well .\nConrad\nYes , we had the suiting thing down on my cuffs and\neverything so that we got right out t here and, boy,\nth& Gunter was ready for us and i n we went .\nCooper\nThey were all set .\nThere were no delays and every­\nthing went exceedingly well on t he gantry.\n1. 2 Communications\nCooper\nCommunications , I thought were good and no probl em at\nall on communications, and everything went real well.\nConrad\nYes , Stoney handled that whole thing real well.\nCooper\nAll right, volume was still down on the little comm\nsets in the transfer van there .\nThat ' s Stoney' s\nlittle improvement .\n1 .3 Crew Participation\nin Countdown\nCooper\nCrew participation in the countdown was good.\nI\ndidn' t see anything at all wrong.\nConrad\nYes, we weren' t rushed.\nWe felt t hat we had enough\ntime to get the switches in the right position and\njust everything went real good.\n1.4 Comfort\nCooper\nComfort was real fine .\nWe went on to two suit fans" }, { "n": 7, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p07.jpg", "text": "2\nCooper\n1.6 Sounds\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n1.7 Vibration\nCooper\nright away.\nI thought we felt plenty cool the\nwhole time.\nECS was good.\nNever any problem with it .\nSounds , I thought the only sounds tha·; we had that\nwere abnormal we'd been warned about.\nWhen the\nprevalves opened, they were fairly loud and when\nthe engines gimballed they were quite loud , and\nboth of those we were aware of the fact that they\nwould cause a lot of noise and vibrat:.on.\nThere is something that really dings t he booster\ntoo when they start.. . .\nI don ' t--whet her they\ndrop a platform away.\nIt ' s before they start moving the gant ry.\nJust before they start lowering that erector. Boy,\nsomething really, like it really bangs that booster,\nI thought.\nI still don't know what it is , but , of\ncourse, we ' d been up there with the erector down\ntwice before that so we were sort of e~tting used\nto those kind of sounds.\nOkay, vibrations we already covered tr.at .\nSounds ,\nvibrations." }, { "n": 8, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p08.jpg", "text": "3\n1.8 Visual\n,.\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\n/\nVisual .\nNothing....\nOh, yes , wait a minute, I started getting this win­\ndow fogging.\nWell, let ' s cover that under the right area.\nWell, it was actually in the countdown when the\nerector went down before liftoff.\nWell , okay, allright .\nI mean we still had it later.\nWell, you want to cover that now then in systems.\nWell, is that what this means , is visual, or does\nthat just mean something else?\nYes, that' s before liftoff. Powered flight is next .\nYes , well t lri,s-tra-,:5pened 6e:f'1\nAllright, even before liftoff,\nhat this\nreally is completely unforgiveable.\nEach window\nwas filthy.\nJust fogged completely over, and it was\non the inside of the outer pane of glass . It was\nwithin the sealed unit of glass , and it was so\nfoggy when they lowered the erector that it\nit was frozen over solid,\nd neither could\nWell, it had fogged over before they lowered the\nConrad\n(j()tqflDENTIA[ ,.\nI\nI" }, { "n": 9, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p09.jpg", "text": "4\nerector and then the guys heated it w:.th hot air to\nmake it go away and that just made th:.ngs wor se when\nthey lowered the erector.\nCooper\nIt didn't make it go away all the way.\nConrad\nThat I s right it made'\"it- ~\nactually.\nCooper /\nL\nmy side in my window ~etweer. the inside\npane and the two outside panes of\\\\8-~s , I had a\nsmall bee , and I had a fly, and I had\\several\nflecks of things that I had written u~ before and\nnever got corrected, and they were the whole flight,\nand I 'm sure they will show up on all the films\nand everything.\nNow between the outer sealed panes\nof glass there were numerous little specks and\nof stuff and throughout the flight as . ..well , we ' ll\ncover that later, but that was even 7rore the flight\nstarted .\nThe windows were not pla/n and were not in\ngood shape to go forthe--f~.\n1. 9 Crew Station Contr ols\nand Displa_ys\nConrad\nI think the Gemini cockpit is a pretty good cockpit.\nCooper\nI think in general that crew stations eontrols and\ndisplays were pretty adequate .\nConrad\nI 've got a couple comments on switches and things,\nbut these are. . . .\n~FIDENTIAL ­" }, { "n": 10, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p10.jpg", "text": "5\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n,.\nOkay, how about the time you spent in there on\nprelaunch.\nDo you think that this is about right?\nYes , yes, I think that this is just about right.\nI think that if you cut it down too much more\nthan that you are going to be....you could cut it\ndown some more , there's no doubt. .. .\nIt' s that cabin purge cycles when you're not doing\nanything really, and that ' s excellent time.\n... that you can cut it down, but that' s the thing\nthat takes the time for both the ground crews...\nand that' s lost time.\nI don' t know. ...\nI don ' t think you want to rush the crew and now\nour count that second day went by the clock, boy.\nWe got in there at the right time.\nWe counted down\nand lifted off on, and I didn' t feel that I was\nrushed, and I didn' t feel that I sat in there for\nan excessive amount of time.\nNo , I didn ' t either. I thought that it went just\nabout right , time wise .\nLong as there ' s no holds in the count everything' s\ngreat." }, { "n": 11, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p11.jpg", "text": "6\n2.1\nLif t Off Cues\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFtE>ENTI L\n2.0\nPOWERED FLIGHT\nOkay, lift- off cues , CAP COM .\nCAP CO~ didn ' t come\ninto the act until later .\nStoney counted us down\nthru ignition and lift-off and then CAP COM picked\nus up at l ift- off.\nMotion is an excellent clue .\nThere ' s doubt in your mind when you ljft- off.\nYou\nknow, the second you lift- off that yot.' ve lifted.\nVibration was very low.\nIt had dropped out almost completely a.t lift-off,\nfelt that shaking was very l i ght.\nThere was very little vibrati on at all .\nOkay,\nvibration, very l ow.\nNoise I thought, was quite\nlow.\nI was particularl y aware of the noises of goi ng\nthrough the max Q regionar y thing.\nOh , t his is\nlift-off again .\nI thought the noises were very\nwell at l iftoff .\nYou know the engines were\nrunning from the outside before, you know, and man\nthey really make a racket, but from where you are\nit's pretty quite.\nYou know there running.\nYou\ncan here them, there's no doubt about that , but .. .\nOkay, on visual I don ' t . . . .\nWe had a very cl ear\nday.\nThere weren't even any clouds in sight on\n~\nIDENTI~" }, { "n": 12, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p12.jpg", "text": "Conrad\n2. 2 Roll Program\nConrad\nCooper\n7\nC.(&)Hft0ENTI:,\\~~\nau,\n!to\nour sight as we were lifting off, and I couldn't\ntell any visual cues to lift- off, could you?\nYou had the feeling that you were moving visually.\nAfter you get your roll program you see it visually\nand you can see the pitch program starting visually,\nbut just at first l ift-off you don't really have\nany visual cues .\nCockpit displays are just l ike\nadvertised.\nThe two stage - one lights go out, and\n. .. just l ike the simulator.\nYes , I watched roll program on the gyro, I was\nwatching for it to come i n on time and in glancing\nup when the roll program started I was still\nlooking at nothing but blue sky, but I was aware\nvisually as you say that the booster was rolling.\nYes , you can have a airplane when you are looking\nat nothing but blue sky and start a motion and you\nmay not know exactly what the motion is, but you\nknow that you are moving.\nNow on this cockpit display, something that I got two\ndifferent answers to from different people on how the\ngyro and the actual case was going to be set and it\nsuddenly dawned on me that they actually set the gyro\nso that you are launching down the 90 degrees. You're" }, { "n": 13, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p13.jpg", "text": "8\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\n2. 3 Pitch Program\nCooper\n2.4 Aerodynamic\nCooper\nprogressing down to 90 degrees line, e. la the\nsimulator, although the booster sets on 85 degrees\nand when you turn to 72 degrees launch azimuth\nyou are rolling clockwise so far as tr.e crew is\nconcerned.\nYou roll to zero .\nBut you are rolling to is real ly to O on the gyro\nas precessed around so that you are net really\nsetting on the actual launch azimuth, you are\nactually setting so that when you stai§'e on over i n\nyaw then pitch over then in your yaw your on the in­\nplane line.\nYou're coming down the zero line .\nY01.:. 1re yawing\ndown the zero l ine .\nThat 's right, and I kept getting diffe.rent answers\non this and this is in fact the case. Roll program\nwas exactly right on time and ended e>:actly on time.\nPitch program started exactly on time.\nAerodynamic was nothing new or differE:nt about it.\nIt was just standard. We build up to the noises at\nmax Q; the noise built up to gradual level and the\nvibration and quantity built up to ma>:~ and then\ndropped off very rapidly J.1'd:i!Jitely thereafter.\nFlDENTIAL" }, { "n": 14, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p14.jpg", "text": "2. 5\nECS\nConrad\nCooper\nConr ad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n2. 7 Wind Shear\nCooper\n2.8\nDCS Updates\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nConrad\n9\nCONFICtleNTIA~ •\nRight on the button.\nECS was right on the money, no problem at all .\nMax Q we ' ve already stated.\nThe cabin sealed a little bit high like they said\nit would.\nI forget the number. It was about 5.8.\nAbout 5.8 or 9 and just gradually dwindled back down .\nAnd just after we got in there by the time I looked\nat it again after insertion everything it bled down\non our gage to 4.9, our gage read a little low.\nI\nthink the actual reading, you will pr obably find\nthe cabin actually was 5.1 1 but the whole rest of\nt he flight the gage never budged off the 4.9.\nThe gage stayed right there like it was glued.\nThe wind shear, we had none and, certainly nothing\nthat we could tell , but as I understand we ' ve been\ntold that for that day anyway we had almost negible\nwind shear.\nDCS updates were right on time.\nYou had two updates?\n1 plus\n45, 2 plus 25 .\n2,9 Engine 1 Operat i on\nCooper\nThe engine 1 operation couldn' t have been better,\n----~~K)ENTIAL" }, { "n": 15, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p15.jpg", "text": "-------\n10\n..\n2,10 POGO\nCooper\nConrad\n(\nCooper\nIt was beautiful. Just now in between engine 1\noperation and engine 2 here we have two items we\nwill insert in here.\nOne was POGO..\nAt 2 mi nutes and 5 seconds we started\npicking up POGO and I got a fairly gcod amount of\nPOGO on through, stopping just at abcut 5 to 7\nseconds before staging.\nPOGO dropped. cl ean out\nexactly the same time there that we programmed POGO\non the early days.\nYes, that one surprised me .\nWe ' d he1:.rd and read\ntbat both John 8{!.d Gus ' s and Jim and Ed ' s f l i ght\nthat they were hardly even aware of IDGO and boy\nwhen it came in on us it was loud anc. clear and,\nwell Gordon, neither one of us could talk hardly;\nwe were really vibrating with it and I was hard\npressed to read the displays. By golly , if I had\nto re__:-t ;--e num;-er on _\n· ~- ~r-ays I- think I woul d\nad -;-:h- - --:b- _ __\n, e a:-i sp ___ .,,.\nhave been hard pressed to do it, because we really\nhad it pretty good.\nYes , the rate ... the amplitude of them were such\n. . . 11 cps frequency and the ampl itude of them was\nsuch that you were on -- you were on the marginal" }, { "n": 16, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p16.jpg", "text": "11\ni t\nConrad\nRCSD REP\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nedge of reading of any large gage and any fine\nreading that you had to read, you would never be\nable to read any numbers. It was exactly like\nthe POGO we did all along on the program up at\nAmes and as the exact amplitude, I don ' t lmow, but\nwas, . . . . .\nI think we don ' t want that ~\nPOGO.\nIt was no par icu ar y upsetting to me , because I\nreally was fai rly familiar with POGO having been\nthrough all that POGO program, but this thing kind\nof t i ckled me that we got it to see that we had\nstill hadn' t solved it , but I don ' t think . . .\nits something you don ' t want because if you had ot~er\nthings going wrong during that period of t ime it\nwould make it vecy difficult to say what you had\nwrong or what\nIt didn ' t upset me, but it surprised me , you lmow,\nbecause I just wasn't expecting POGO.\nWbat g-level would you estimate it to be?\nWell , we were sneaking right up there.\nI mean the POGO .\nOh, it was right at about 5 g ' s .\n·\\1•\nWell , I mean plus or minus amplitude.\nWell I , my estimate on it was that it was something" }, { "n": 17, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p17.jpg", "text": "--\n12\non the order of maybe three quarters of a g.\nWell, I\ndon I t !mow whether it was that high c,r not.\nConrad\nI thought it was at least a half, if not better.\nApparently it wasn't that high.\nI ws.s really\nsurprised. Like I say, we were really getting the\nramrod out of it.\nCooper\ns beyond what we selected as we th~ht\nshould be the cutoff. It was more tr.an wh~ we\nl\nhad selected at Ames as being max acc7.\nin this.I passed up ver b •\nthere one of\nthe first things that happened immediately about\nthe time that we got the pitch program was the\nIGS Stage 2 fuel needle failed in thE full -max\ndeflection position.\nAnd it came back on and was\nreading after staging briefly and thEn failed again\nduring staging.\nIt was intermittent .\n2.11 Engine 2 Status\nCooper\nEngine 2 status stayed ... was perfect.\nThere was\nnot anything wrong at all.\n2.12 Acceleration G' s\nCooper\nAcceleration g ' s were right on the piofile, were\ncertainly very pleasant.\nNothing wrong at all with them.\n2. 13 BECO" }, { "n": 18, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p18.jpg", "text": "13\nCooper\nBECO was right on the money.\n..\n2 . 14 Staging\nConrad\nBoy, that staging was smooth too.\nCooper\nThey told us that BECO was going to occur early, but\nit was\nConrad\nWe did loft a little bit apparently like they said\nwe woul d because, right after staging ....\n2. 15 Engine 2 I gnition\nConrad\nWell , Engine 2 ignition, I wasn't even hardly aware of\nthat other than we just started to get a little, yc,11\nknow, we just sort of went off the peg at 6 g's and\nGordo said s t aging OK and Engine 2 is good and I\nwasn ' t even aware that Engine 2 had lit.\nYou\ncan' t hear it, to speak of, but you can feel the\nacceleration slowly building up.\nFCSD REP\nDid you see anything visually?\nConrad\nNo , I didn't see anything.\nI heard the other guys\ntalking about see the flash at the brig.\nNever\nsaw a thing and I wasn't aware of any flash out\nthere either.\nI\\\nCooper\nJ didn ' t see anything at all at BEDO.\nThe best clue\nthat I have on my side, is that I see the Fuel\nand Oxidizer needles start coming down as the engine" }, { "n": 19, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p19.jpg", "text": "14\n2.16 RGS Initiate\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n•\nstarts burning.\nAnd then they coming c.own fairly\nrapidly at first, I mean you get a very definite\nmotion on them right at first there and. they kind of settled\nout. Engine 2 ignition we've already covered.\nRGS initiate right on the money.\nI was going to mention that we had l of t ed and\nthat we were expected to pitch down a.nd we did when\nit picked up RGS.\nIt smoothed in very smooth, and the fading was\njust right.\nThe IGS needle really deflected and I ~as , you know,\nI don't think it pitched, it didn't peg- out , but it\ndid make a large dip and then when the booster\ncame down just pitched down very smoottly down to\nabout 75 or 80 degrees, I guess it pitched down\nalmost 10 degrees.\nWhat rate did it pitch over?\nVery slow, but steady, at just\nIt took about 20 seconds I guess to fade it in there.\nThe needle came in and made a big deflection and\nright after that the booster started pitching and\nthe needle started back and boy the needl e was\n•" }, { "n": 20, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p20.jpg", "text": "15\nCQ~ElDEhJIJA\nback and thing was right on the money at about 80\ndegrees. It was a very smooth transition and then\ndo you remember they were telling, us to look\nfor this one cps oscillation? Well, I didn't have\nrate needl es like Gordo did, but I wasn't aware of\nany oscil lations at any time.\nThat booster was in\npitch and yaw as far as that went\nCooper\nThose rate needles were like they were glued .\nThere was never through boost or second stage was\nthere ever any rate except that one tiny little\nrate, one teensy little rate just at when we were\nin POGO we got one tiny little longitudinal rate,\n'\njust one tiny little fleck on a rate, and was the\nonly one.\nOtherwise it was just smooth as silk,\nthe whole time, rate wi se .\n2.17 Fairing Jettison\nCooper\nFairing jettison.\nWe jettisoned fairings at 3:25\nand man do they ever go.\nConrad\nI counted Gordo down to them.\nOkay, yes, that ' s\na good point .\nCooper\nBeside the scanner fairing and the nose fairing go\nand when the nose fairing went it went with all\nkinds of debris .\nThere were pieces flying all" }, { "n": 21, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p21.jpg", "text": "16\nover.\nConrad\nYes , and I don't think it went right .\nI don't\nbelieve it went right , because the Rand R can\nwas ripped up in the front , and I can show you on\nmy side the nose went like that and there was some\ntape or fiber glass that goes around t he . . ..\nIt was fiberglass cloth and it was all broken loose\nin jagged flaps sticking up t hat, you lmow, had\nbroken loose from along in here when i.hat cover\nwent I had decided impression that the cover went\noff askew, that it didn't jettison t he: way i t should\nhave.\nAnd this could be a good point of putting\nit back to after insertion.\nCooper\nWell, it ' s supposed to go off askew.\nConrad\nYes , well, it just di dn ' t go off clean .\nThat 's why\nthis was ripped up, see .\nCooper\nWell, it something somebody might look into, but\nyou don ' t want to recommend that they put back to\nafter insertion , because your taking a weight\npenalty to carry that all the way up.\nConrad\nYes, I realize that , but . . . .\nCooper\nIt was designed to go off ... .\nConrad\nThat was the reason in the first place that they\nWIDE" }, { "n": 22, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p22.jpg", "text": "17\nmoved it up there anyhow, because they weren't ....\nCooper\nNo , the reason they moved it up there was because\nthey didn ' t have strong enough propulsion on those\nsquibs and spring combinations or whatever they use.\nWe never did get a reading on that, but whatever\nthe total propulsive expulsion system wasn't kick­\ning, the scanner fairing wide enough but what they\nwould come back into the booster. But didn't you\nhave the distinct impression that the nose fairing\nbroke into jillions of pieces when it blast.\nConrad\nI certainly, I certainly, yes .\nThat ' s why wh~n\nI say askew, I mean something didn't look right.\nI can't put my finger on it, but -­\nCooper\nIt came off in many pieces anyway.\nThere were many,\nmany pieces and the whole area was just filled with\ndebris.\nConrad\nYes, and then, I 'm not sure that that's when we got\nall that gl op on our windshiel d, the spots ...\nCooper\nWell, I noted exactly at that time immediately\nafter the fairing went, I noted about 5 or 6, I\nsaw them hit , 5 or 6 gray splots, just small ones ,\nvery small little gray-type splots and I was\ndistinctly looking for that and watching for it and" }, { "n": 23, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p23.jpg", "text": "18\nConr ad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nthey were not there before they were t'nere and I\n;\nsaw them when they hit.\nThey hit duri:'.l.g all this\ndebris flying around period.\nI think that you can sti11 f i nd them o:'.l. the\nwindshields .\nThey didn ' t burn off during reentry.\nBut they' re not bad and there are just a few little\nscattered ones and I think it might be interesting\nt o compare how many you get there versus and how\nmany you get when you jettison them in orbit. It\nmay wel l be that jettisoning in orbit would be pre­\nferabl e , but I didn ' t f i nd anything objectionable\nt o jettisoning where they went, they wenm fine.\nIt did add a lot of debris and I agree with Pete\nthere was a big torn something or other out there\nwhich may just be a fiberglass thing that is kind\nof . .. ,.\nYes , I want to get down and look at the R and R and\nand I can tell you what it was , describe it a lot\nbetter.\nWe' ll probably have some pictures of it\ntoo in the camera somewhere.\nI know it 'll show\nup in some film.\nHow l ong was this visible? You say there was a big\nbunch of stuff out there.\nONFIDENTIAL" }, { "n": 24, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p24.jpg", "text": "19\nCooper\nThere ' s a whole fly.\nOh, you mean the debris .\nIt\nwas gone.\nConrad\nIt was gone like that, but it just looked like the\nwhole darn thing exploded.\nCooper\nIt looked like it just flew into a jillion pieces.\nIt was all around you for maybe a period of a\nsecond or two.\nConrad\nI didn't think it was that much, i t was just gone.\nCooper\nBut it was a defininite period of time when you\nwere aware of all this debris all over and then\nclear.\nOkay, enough for fairing jettison." }, { "n": 25, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p25.jpg", "text": "20\n2. l8 GO/NO GO\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nGO/NO GO:\nWe never got a GO/NO GO beeause we lost\nour number 1 radio in about 4 minutes sometime just\nprior . . . let see we got a .8 . . . .\nWti got a V\nover VR of . 8 .\nWe got a GO/NO GO of ,..\nYou did get a , 8?\nWe got a .8.\nYes , that comes much later - that com(!S after the\nGO/NO GO.\nYes, that ' s right , okay, well I don ' t remember\never getting a ... yea, we did, we go·~ MCC GO.\nRight we got a GO/NO GO , okay, but then\nimmediately after . 8 we never got any·':hing at all\nfrom there on until aft er we were insi~rted and gone\nto UHF No. 2.\nI think it must be in the antenna problem, I really\ndo .\nWell , there 's some problem there because the same\nthing happened on one of the previous flights and\nwe definitely and completely lost radio and I\nswitched over just before we inserted,\nI switched\nover to number 2 and then when I call1~d but the\nIVI's we were back with them then ." }, { "n": 26, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p26.jpg", "text": "21\n2. 19 Systems Status\nCooper\nSystem Status everything .. . .\nConrad\nWe did have ... Let me describe the delta P\n\\\nlights .\nShortly after liftoff I got the number 1\nfuel cell delta Plight and I reported i t and just\nabout t he time I reported it, then the number 2\nfuel cell delta Plight came on.\nThey stayed on\nall the way through boost and they were on aft er\ninsertion for ten, fifteen seconds and after that\nthey went right back out again and that) i s it.\nIt didn't effect anything on the fuey e11 operation,\nthe voltages , /thing stayed fine\n• bein\nn----tliere was no other way of\ntelling the~ was out of tolerance so I don 't think\nit is a problem.\nWe expected it.\nCooper\nI 'm glad that we had them changed to orange rather\nthan red .\nConrad\nYeah, yeah.\nCooper\nSystems status in addition to that I don ' t think we\nhad any systems that were exactly right, except\nthe radio and the acceleration as we had expected\nit . We were right on the profile.\nSECO was ...\n2. 20\nSECO\ntn currents ,\nother than\n!Oa!IIAL" }, { "n": 27, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p27.jpg", "text": "22\nConrad\nCooper\n2.21 Steering\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nI think we burned out at, Gordo, 7 anc. 1/4 g's.\nRight.\nSECO was exactly on time, just exactly on\ntime and IVI's read 002 AFT.\nAlmost ierfect.\nSteering was ... there was no steerine· accelerations\nor velocities that we could tell. Steering was\njust smooth as silk, apparently they :t.ad us going\nright down the slot.\nAnd when we came off, apparently\nwe were lined up well because there weren ' t any\nrates because when we came off and wajted our 20\nseconds there were no rates whatsoever and it was\njust setting there just . . . . as smootr.. as\nAs stable as a rock.\nAs smooth as silk so that and when we started\nthrusting and separating we came off :ust right\nstraight forward .\nNo deviation, no skidding around\nor anything. Just right straight off,\nI thought the IVI's were plus 2.\nThat ' s what I haVle\nwritten down here.\nPlus 28 right, 3 t.p.\nI guess that's what it was.\nThis velocity you read?\nI was going to cover that in your ... ,\nYour right, plus 2, it was -- that's :r·ight.\nPlus" }, { "n": 28, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p28.jpg", "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\n3,1 Post SECO\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n23\n~IE>l!NTtAE\n002.\nI have all the computer readouts .\n008 right and how many up?\n3 up.\nMANEUVER CONTROLLER worked fine .\nWe went right\nthrough ....\nWel l, l et ' s go through t hat. The way we had practice\nSECO, Gordo, got SECO and Gordo unstowed the\nCONTROLLER and I armed the BUS ARM Swit ch so that\nwe get the MSC- 1 doors OFF.\nBrought the propulsion power ON.\nBrought the ATTITUDE CONTROL Electric Power ON.\nWent from RATE COMMAND to DIRECT.\nArmed the\nswitch and hit the computer.\nArmed t he sep\nspacecraft thing and Gordo and I counted the\nseconds down .\nIn the meantime , I punched off\naddress 72 so that it was reading and then in 20\nseconds we had SEP s/c ....\nIn 20 seconds I start ed and I called it out and\nstarted thrusting and Pete would hit the sep\nspacecraft ... .\nConrad\nThe reason we did that was so that we would have" }, { "n": 29, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p29.jpg", "text": "the inertial velocity readout on the ga.ge and that\nwas ·beautiful 25,808 and nominal was S-.lpposed to be\n25,807.\nYou can't ask for a better calculation\nfrom a computer than that, and a lot of people\ndon ' t have much faith in that thing but, I think\nthat I'll bet that the computed MCC figure isn't\nmore than a foot or two off. I t couldn ' t be\nbecause everything was nominal for hours and hours\nin the past, Day's it went that way where we\nstayed on the flight plan to the minute, to the\nsecond so I know that it was a good computation,\nand I have the five address readouts that we read,\nWe read out address 72 as 25,808; address 94 which\nwas R dot for gamma was plus 20 feet which is\npretty darn small so we must have almost a zero\ngamma address 97 which is the forward IVI was plus\n2 feet; address 52 was perfect, it was zero.\nSo\nthere was no adjustment needed and if there had\nbeen an adjustment needed that would ha:ve come\nat 3,042 seconds on the computer if tbere had been\nan address .\n52 correction and nominal 3,008\nseconds so the computer computed the nomi nal thing\noff only by less than a minute, about a half a" }, { "n": 30, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p30.jpg", "text": "25\nminute of what the actual nominal value\n/een , so I think thats pretty darn good\nascent routine in that comput er, and I think hat\n(\nnow that we have Math flow 6 in there t his i\nwhy I\nthink the guy shouldn't get so darn worried in MCC\nunderspeeds and giving them burn co/rections\nt his Mickey Movse.\nI' ve been\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nt rying to make tbis pein-t-ewe· since we got\nassociat ed with . . . .\nI think we had better immediate data avail abl e on\nboard than people have been giving it credit for .\nThat ' s right, and it really pleased me to see it\ncome out on the computer this way.\nAnd had we never gotten our communications back\nwe would have known that we were i n good shape\nbecause of the data we had on board, we didn' t\nhave to worry about the ground readouts and\nwhat to do; we would have known what to do whether\nwe had been under or over or anything else.\nAttitudes and rates , t here weren ' t any rat es .\nThe thing was steered right down the slot .\nWe\ncame off smooth.\nSpacecraft separation\nNflD~NTlAk" }, { "n": 31, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p31.jpg", "text": "26\nCONF:10ENT-IA\nCooper\nWe separated as smooth as silk just r i ,5ht straight\n.;;\nahead\nConrad\nWell, we counted down and Gordo said h? was\nready and I SEP spacecraft and he thru3ted and I\nwent back to RATE COMMAND for them and we came\nstraight off.\nI didn't even feel it .\nThe first\nt hing we felt was thrust .\nCooper\nAnd rolled upright and went to 000 00 -15 which\nhappened to be right on the horizon.\nAs it\nt urned out that 15 figure was good. It read out\nthe IVI•s .\nFCSD REP\nThat's, you know on 4 . . . they thought they came\noff the booster.\nConrad\nYes, that's why I mentioned that because\nCooper\nThat's what we were looking for, too,\n3.2 SEGO Plus 20 Seconds\nCooper\nWe've already mentioned the IVI displays .\nSpace­\ncraft separation occurred very smoothly. Thrusting\nwas smooth, nothing wrong at all .\nAttitude rates\nwere good.\nConrad\nYes, I don't understand this!\nI don't understand\nthis guy saying that they can't hear them or they\ncan ' t sense them.\nBoy, I was easily aware . . . ." }, { "n": 32, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p32.jpg", "text": "..\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nFHID~Nf lAL\n27\n1/\nYou can feel t hem almost mo,-e than you can hear\nthem.\nYou can feel them vibrate really, more than\nyou can hear them.\nI mean, you can hear them\ntoo, but the vibrat ion you can hear them too, but\nt he vi bration you can f eel the thrust.\nHave you ever heard a high speed hose or high speed\nwater jet. Shhh ... That 's the impression that I\nhad.\nYes, that ' s right.\nEven from the aft firing thruster?\nEver y thruster we had on t here.\nWe heard every thruster on the whol e f l ight\nIt never occurred in my mind when the thrus t ers\nwere fired.\nYou can feel them and I can hear them.\nI couldn't hear them in the sense of an expl osive\nsound or a roar. It sounded like wat er swishing.\nYes , very definitely, more a Shhh.\nAnd I was aware of it again when we made the burns\nlater on, you know, we made the reverse coelliptic\nstuff and all that.\nHow did these noises , the thruster noises , sound\ncompared with the way the last crew set the\nmission simulator?\n'" }, { "n": 33, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p33.jpg", "text": "28\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nHey, that's another interesting point.\nThey're not very close on pulse.\nPulse is a ...\n•\nPulse is more of a thump.\nThat 's the one sound that does sound like you ' d\nexpect a rocket engine to sound.\nHere ' s a sound just about like this :\n(knock)\nYes , it very definitely sounds like a knock.\nThere is no \"shhh\" or roar, just a little thud.\nYou can hear it just like somebody knccking at the\nback of the spacecraft.\nYou can hear it go \"tap\ntap, tap, tap, tap, tap,\"\nReally, the simulator doesn I t sound tl:.e right way.\nIt 's a general enough nature and it tl::.e same type\nmanner\nYes, it is close enough to give you a good cue.\nThe platform mode for instance , you krow, when i t\ngoes shh, shh, shh, shh ... did the same thing i n\nthe spacecraft except it was all in one thump\nand swooshes when it was constantly firing the\nthrusters it sounded like the swish.\nThe air-to- ground communications I thought was\nexcellent the whol e time.\nI didn't find anythi ng\n," }, { "n": 34, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p34.jpg", "text": "29\nConrad\n..\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nONEl0EtslJl~E\nwrong.\nWe really had good comm the whole flight.\nThere was never a time -- the only time\nthe\nonly fault we find was one or two times through the\nremote site when the MCC was trying to remote to\nthese sites they would get some fading.\nI must\nsay the HF worked excellent. When they were\n~r~usic, broadcasting music to us, my\\\ngosh they had us practically the world round on\n'-----~The music quality was quite _g0od\nin most cases.\nI got times on that we can bring out later so that\nthey can correlate how far\nGO/NO GO , there wasn't any problem on that. They\ngave us the GO right away.\nHow long did it take them to give this?\nOh, heck, immediately.\nAlmost immediately.\n.> vveaf\nThere was no swivel because there was no velocity\n~\ncorrection.\nThere was no velocity correction needed. Orbit\nquantitites were good, they had those for us.\nIt took them quite a while to read us our experiments\nbut they just said you have a nominal orbit and then\nmayb_e . . . .\n.\neQNFIE>ENTl~t" }, { "n": 35, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p35.jpg", "text": "I\nConrad\nI've got down here the GMT of liftoff.\nI wrote down\n...\n13 plus 59 plus 59 which they l ater change to 14\nplus 00 plus 00.\nI have the one A time they got\n\"\nit up to us okay, which was 10 pl us 11.\nThen I\nhave the 2 dash 1 they gave us was 01 pl us 27 plus\n16 which they later revised to 01 plus 26 plus 27,\nI wrote those down.\n3.3 Insertion Activities\nCooper\nOkay, l et 's start on inser tion activities. SAFE\nt he swi tches we did that just right for our check­\nlist .\nIn fact , we are even more convinced than ever\nthat a good, thorough, accurate, checklist is the only\nthing to have and\nConr ad\nPhysically marked them off when they \"·er e done.\nCooper\nWe followed it conscientiously.\nThe sequential\nlight t ests, we did it j ust by the teE.ts.\nStowage:;\n. we already had modified our checklistE, ·and we already\nhad written on some of it that we would do these i f\nwe decided to.\nFor instance, the D- rlng safety pin,\nwe did install them at right t i me, and there was no\nproblem on those; they wer e nruch easi•~r under zero-g\nto get in and out than we had thought and I had no" }, { "n": 36, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p36.jpg", "text": "31\nConrad\n..\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n.kQt4FIDfNJ1A.L,\ntrouble getting my D-ring in, did you?\nI waited on mine, remember.\nYes , you waited . .. .\nI s towed my D- ring thing\nSo we closed the cover immediately and I decided I\nwoul d go ahead and see if I could get mine, and I\ngot to i t right away and it went right in, so I\nput it in.\nWe, of course, got in trouble in the second orbit ,\nbut we did not unstrap or put t he drogue pins in\nthe seat or unstow any items of gear other than the\nflight plan books and the 16mm camera and the\nHasselblad.\nI take it back.\nWe went through the\nFlight Plan as advertised and then stowed the items.\nWe had D-2 canera out, the Blob out, but we did this\nin the proper places in the Flight Pl an. But we\nnever did unstrap.\nWe never unstrapped and never put the drogue pins\nin until after we go to 6 - 4 GO.\nWe got a\n6 - 4 GO.\nBut we restowed too , after we got in t rouble.\nWe\nthrought maybe having to go into 6-4 why,\nwe'd put ourselves back into the configuration" }, { "n": 37, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p37.jpg", "text": "32\nCooper\nConrad\nwere never up.\nto reenter\nlready decided\nt hat I was not going to launch with th£~\nThey\n\"\nare just useless as far as I am concerr..ed, and I\nas delighted I did not have them; and I didn ' t\nmiss\nI don't think, I think\ncould remove th€m and\n-\nThe arm restraints are there for the pressurized\ncase and high altitude ejection.\nI did go with\nmine up.\nI would prefer to go with thEim down, but\nthere wasn't any reason , I didn ' t need to get my\nhands on the hand control or anything ~.o I left\nthem as they were, but I don' t think tr.ey were\nnecessary.\n•" }, { "n": 38, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p38.jpg", "text": "FtDENTtAL\n33\nCooper\nOkay, belts .\nI couldn' t ~~ he\nbelts .\nThe harness - While we're on the harness, I\ndon ' t like that harness worth anything.\nt hink what we need is a simple type adjustable type\nharness wi th clips on the legs that you can undo\nlegs to get to some of the functions you have to:\nuri pation and defecation and so on in the spacecy ft .\nI do ' t see why we have to have a big, expensi/e, custom,\nmade ha~ss that you can' t readily get on\noff\nand this on~ you can not readily get\nand if\nyou had one with\non it and snaps\nlike you do on\nharness, it would\nbe, I think, a hundred times useful as this one .\nConrad\nLet me ask you a ~uestion.\nDo you really - now, do\nyou r eally - I agree.\nLet me say this.\nI agree you\nshould first be able to get your harness on and off,\nbut in zero-g I ' m not convinced that three, especially\ntwo leg snaps type arrangement.\nIn other words, a\nharness that would come completely loose and have\nmany straps that hitch to the other straps would be\nreally good in zero- g.\nWhat I think we need to do is\nto be able to get in and out of that harness that we\nhave, easier.\nLike, maybe you could loosen the leg\nstraps on it but not have them come apart.\nNow, I\n~\nNftDENTrAL" }, { "n": 39, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p39.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\ntook my harness off in flight twice.\nI took 1 em\n\"\noff once-­\nYeah, but you wouldn' t even have to step through these\n::\nleg loops if you had - just like on an airplane harness.\nYou could undo that and you wouldn' t eve·'.l. have to worry\nabout the leg loops.\nThen all you 1d have to do is just\nslide out of the torso area.\nYeah.\nWell» lets sees that' s what I'm saying. If you\nunhook both of those leg loops and you throw the whole\nthing down in the footwell and then you pull it back up\nagain you got a leg strap floating off ever here and\nyou got a- ­\nWell that' s no problem. It ' s no worse i.han it is find­\ning your lap belt.\nDid you ever have i;rouble getting\nyour lap belt back on after you took it off?\nI always hitched it on the Velcro over on the side.\nBut you never had any trouble ~ ting t o it. I didn ' t .\n/\nI let mine float free and I never had any trouble getting\nt o them at all .\nWell, I just don 1 t lmow now. I really d:i.dn' t think it\nwas that bad getting in and out of this harness .\nMy\nonly concern was that if- - I stayed- ­\nHow many times did you get i n and out of it?\n~" }, { "n": 40, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p40.jpg", "text": "( OhJFt0!\n35\nConrad\nTwice.\nThe big problem was having you unhitch the\nstraps on my suit.\nCooper\nThat' s right.\nWith the cables to go over the harness.\nConrad\nThe harness--the easiest thing was getting in the legs .\nThat was no problem at all.\nCooper\nYeah.\nConrad\nWhere I needed help was getting over my shoulder and\ngetting the straps on the suit hitched back up again,\nwhich is a two man operation.\nCooper\nWell, my point is that for normal wearing around the\npad area or wearing around when your suited and every­\nthing, you' d be much more comfortable if you could have\nthose straps loose where they' re not gouging you in\nthe legs,\nConrad\nYes, well-- Oh, I agree.\nCooper\nOr where you had adjustments on them . ...\nConrad\n. .. adjustments see-­\nCooper\nOkay, well .\nConrad\nWhere you coul d make the legstraps loose but you' d\nnever disconnect them so you don' t have free floating\nstraps around t here. It was no big problem ....\nCooper\nMy suggestion would be to have them exactly like you\ndid in a parachute harness .\nYou have the leg adjust­" }, { "n": 41, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p41.jpg", "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nment and on that same fitting you have the little snap\n\"\nwher e you can unsnap in the places you want to.\nOh yes, you dan do it either way.\nSure.\nYou cou,Yd either loosen them or--I just thi\nwe've\ngone to such complex tailoring devices in orde\nf\novide some company with a great elaborate pro\nof\nproviding expensive harnesses that they .. .\nper­\nsonally don ' t think they ' re worth a darn for what they're\n·ntended for .\nI don' t think you gain that much.\nI\nthink'y~u loose a lot of it.\n~\nstow\nthat harness .\nThe life7 est.\nNow I disagree wit everybody that ' s ever\nsaid that those aren ' t in the way.\ne were them all\nthe time mainly because we didn ' t hav a darn place to\nI\nsi ore them and they're a pain in the Ii,leck t o get on and\noff but they are really in the way.\nThe;r' re in the way\n@f everything you do.\nThey bump int0 your arms .\nTbey' re there to cut down visibilit\non ;rour chest and\nthey ' re just a nuisance,\nYeah,\ne didn' t have a place t\nstore them.\nWe didn ' t\nstore them or we'd have taken\nthem off and left them off.\nI am here t o say t hat I" }, { "n": 42, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p42.jpg", "text": "ONFTDENTl~t\n37\nthink they ' re r eally bad where they are.\nConrad\nAfter the big sweat was over and we got a GO and we\nwere relatively sure we were going to stay there for\nawhile unless we, you lmow, had some other emergency\ncome up, I would have preferred to take off the harness\nand the life jacket and stow it somewhere if we ' d\nhave had a place to stow it.\nCooper\nRight.\nConrad\nBut the other thing is that maybe that' s just my per­\nsonal feeling.\nI ' m extremely meticulous and we kept\nthat spacecraft as empty as possible.\nEverything had\nit' s place and it stayed in it ' s place .\nCooper\nAnd that harness and the vest--are pret t y big, bulky\nitems -\nConrad\nAnd I wasn' t going to have it rattling around down there\non the floor, loose.\nCooper\nOkay, on the drogue pins .\nBy golly, I thought those\nnew l i ttle things on the drogue pins made them very easy\nto get in and out.\nThere wasn' t a bit of problem wit h\nthose.\nConrad\nI popped the drogue pins in and out on mine .\nCoope~\nI put mine i n or out once just to ... .\nConrad\nI think Gordo put his own in and out once to see if he" }, { "n": 43, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p43.jpg", "text": "could do it and he coul d.\nThat worked real well .\nCooper\nOkay.\nFuel Cell o and Fuel Cell Hydrogen Quantity Read.\n2\nYes, we read them at least a million times .\nFuel Cell\n•\nPower Readings .\nYes , everything checked out fine on\nt hose.\nBermuda 2- 1 update: fine.\nOrbital Flight.\nFCSD Rep\nYou' d better get out your flight plan on this because\nt his is the original stuff I was telling you about.\nConrad\nWell, that ' s all right .\nThis probably will go fairly....\nFCSD Rep\nAll three, if you go the way you did it.\n4.0 Orbital Flight\nCooper\nOkay, on 4.0 Orbital Fli ht. Platform Alinement.\nConrad\nThere' s our first problem.\nCooper\nThere' s our first problem.\nOur plat orm mode did not\nwork and I don ' t lmow what ' s wrong wit\nbut the\ndarn thing does not zero out\non the space­\nI\ncraft. It allows a good\ne to sit in\nthere and won ' t zero it out and it is ex remely sl oppy\n·n pitch.\nThe whole thing, I think tb7:r was something\n~rong with the whole thing because it d esn' t work at\nI\na \\ 1 like the ones in the simulator, an\nthe whole thing\n...\nplu's or minus a half a degree\na very, ver y\nsystem\nlucky to be plus or\nthing really wrong with it.\nI personall y think that" }, { "n": 44, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p44.jpg", "text": "~pl&f~T A~\n39\n\\\nsomething was wired up wrong or something in i t because\nit was not working right.\nConrad\nWe didn ' t really get a chance to evaluate it too well\nbecause we had trouble with it so we stopped using it\nand by the time we ' d been able to do anything with it\nwe had other problems, fuel problems and so forth . So\nwe never did get back to using it again.\nCooper\nWell, we had other control system problems which were\noverpowering, platform problem wise, but we did try one\nburn on the platform and it was a terrible mistake.\nThe\ndarn thi ng did not have the accuracy to really hold it\nand we got one foot per second in and out of plane there.\nConrad\nYeah. That was in those coeliptic .\nCooper\nIn one of those, that coeliptic burns and we ~ade our\nother burns then on Rate Command and man, that Rate\nCommand system is just beautiful. It holds that space­\ncraft so tight that it can ' t vary.\nConrad\nYeah.\nWe had a beautiful control system, I thought.\nWhen\nGordo made any of the burns on the Rate Command or\nanything l i ke that it really responded -­ well.\nCoope1:\nRate Command has tremendous torqueing.\nBoy, it ' s strong\nand it ' s instantaneous and you can just stop it right on\nthe money.\nReally good." }, { "n": 45, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p45.jpg", "text": "40\nFCSD Rep\nOkay, on this platform alinement thing.\nYou went to\nSEF and caged and SEF and Platform Control Mode,\nCooper\nWe pitched down to visual when we went to CAGE and then\nwent to SEF and we went to Platform mode and after fid­\ndling around with it awhile we decided the Platform mode\nwouldn' t work so I went to Pulse and then I , just using\nmy needles , Platform needles then, I just pulsed the er­\nrors out until we torqued around and got the ... got\nit ... on a fine line.\nConrad\nOkay, Now, there' s no doubt in my mind that the Primary\nScanners , there' s no doubt in my mind now, but we lost\non Primary Scanners .\nWe started to aline the primary\nScanners and I don' t think we ever got to platform aline\ncorrectly because the primary scanners were not working\ncorrectly,\nCooper\nNow the primary scanners,\nThe funny part of it is the\nPrimary Scanner was working in such a rr.anner - working\njust enough, that it checked right because when we checked\nout t he alinement of it and the tolerances on it it was\nworking fine,\nbut there was something in it on one of\nthe tests that we did later showed thai it was actually\ndriving, tending to drive the spacecraft down.\nConrad\nContinuing to torque you down to about fifteen degrees\nnose- down," }, { "n": 46, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p46.jpg", "text": "Cooper\n..\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n41\n•\nOr more .\nIn other words, it continued to try to aline t he platform\nat about fifteen degrees . It tried to put the nose on t he\nhorizon is what it did.\nIt tried to aline the platform up at fifteen degrees\nnose down?\nOr more.\nI figured it was about somewhere around-­\nWell, one time it alined us at about 40 degrees nose\ndown and it still was indicating in scanner limits .\nThe scanner got worse as the flight went on, but I don ' t\nthink it ever worked correctly.\nNo . I don't think it did, now I look back.\nThat' s the thi ng right there and I think that this- ­\nI 'd l i ke to know what they decided from tracking the\nREP on how we put the REP out because we put the REP\nout in the proper position, but I don 't think the\nplatform was alined correctly . We had trouble with that\nscanner in the sunlight on the horizon and this was right\nwhen we were using it to aline - just before we put the\nREP out.\nJust as we were using it to aline and put t he REP out,\nthe Scanner began to skew all the platform needles off\nand it skewed off and, --went to ORBIT RATE." }, { "n": 47, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p47.jpg", "text": "42\nL\nConrad\nNow wait til we get the onboard tapes because the tape\nrecorder was working and this all is on the onboard tape;\nthe conversation that Gordo and I had about that.\nSo\nwe weren' t really sure it was working right but it\nf\nwasn't that far off that we were going in the dark-­\nCooper .\nApproximately 30 seconds before we had to pitch around\nor had to yaw around to eject the REP, I had to go back\nto CAGE and try getting a real rapid P]atform aline in\nthere, SEF and PULSE and I had the neec.les zeroed and we\nmay not have been so far off but you don ' t know.\nThat\nisn' t enough time to really get it alined.\nIn other\nwords.\nI had about the time we did it and got there we\nprobably had maybe, 30 seconds to Plat::orm aline.\nThat' s\nabout all we had.\nConrad\nWell, we were just hoping that if it had been pulled off\nonly in pitch why, you know, we ' d get it right--we'd pull\nthe pitch right back in again.\nCooper\nBut the scanner was acting up very badly by that time.\nFCSD Rep\nHow long did you aline the Platform initially?\nCooper\nInitially, we alined the platform for about 15 to 20\nminutes and it seemed to aline allright although at that\ntime Pete and I had a discussion right then that we seemed\nto be alining nose down.\n.." }, { "n": 48, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p48.jpg", "text": "Conrad\nNow, you see.\nHere ' s something that I've never heard\nfrom the other guys .\nCooper\nNow there' s another thing.\nSee, we never had a simulator\nto show us .\nNever once did we have any darn thing to\nshow us what out the window should look like.\nConrad\nAnd when the Platform is alined and you' re zero- zero- zero,\nboy, oh boy! That' s a , just -­ It's a very peculiar looking\nsituation and it' s not what I expected to see at all .\nCooper\nNo , it isn' t me either.\nConrad\nAnd I ' ve never heard either Gus of John or Jim and Ed say\n\"Put a little gouge out\" Now I ' ve got a gouge tha t I\ncan draw for you where I 'm sure that I can put the Plat­\nform in roll and pitch within a degree in roll and pitch\nof where it should be out the window on the horizon and\nit ' s by using the corner of the window and the RCS\nthrusters on the front : the front RCS yaw thruster in\nthe lower corner of the window and you can put the\nPlatform-- you can put the spacecraft zero- zero and roll\nand pitch just, well, like that.\nWe didn' t know that\nbefore we went.\nCooper\nThis is one of my strongest recommendations if we aren' t\ngoing to have any kind of a visual out the window display\nat least we ought to get some of the great planners to\n•" }, { "n": 49, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p49.jpg", "text": "-----\n44\n•\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\ndraw up on a piece of paper what the window, what the\n;:\nhorizon should look like through the window whic~\nd\nrequested several times and never got -- to show ~~~) guy\nwhat these various things should look like out the\n......__\nwindow;'---...We spent the whole darn eight days trying to\n~rt=--'l;fl:e-s-0--~~~43 ~ould look like\nand I'm not sure we were very clear on it to the day\nwe re- entered,\nYeah.\nNow that's ridiculous!\nAnd it ' s becau:3e of this odd\nangle that you sit off in there. It completely fouls\nup everytning, as to getting these various angles:\ninverted and right side up and 90 degrees angles and\nall this .\n/1think we ought t;=-I ' ll tell you i;~ d recommen­\ndation for the guys who are going to\ndo this on GT- 7 with that Hasselblad can take a pound\nor two of fuel and sit up there and pl:.otograph\nthe camera back inside the spacecraft\nget\nthe window perspective in this thing.\nzero- zero- zero, bank right 90, bank lnft 90, at ifferent\nnose pitches above the horizon,\nAtt" }, { "n": 62, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p62.jpg", "text": ", CO► I F 1 DE NJ:1A t\n57\nthought everything was going perfect.\nThe REP was\nmoving just exactly out of plane away from us and\nit was moving at about the right velocity and then the\nmystery came.\nIt just kept on going.\nCooper\nYeah.\nConrad\nIt kept right on going straight out, and-­\nCooper\nIt wasn't slowing down very much.\nConrad\nAnd I got over here on the graph and I kept reading\nthe mileage and we were up to about 7 feet a second.\nIt was leaving us, and I realized, I began to think,\nwell gee, this is-\nThat' s when I was really convinced\nthat the platform wasn't alined and we must have kicked\nit out some screwy way.\nThen it started to drift:~\nus quite fast . It finally did peak out an\n---­------­\na~ he corner at some phenomenal dis ance,\nmile away from us, but\ndrift aft quite rapid\nent\n)\n...--n:-~---------;---:--:--:-----;------:-:--:;-,i\"'T\"--,-----,-----r-;-;:--:-:--­\nCooper\nConrad\nand .when we got to the nodal crossing time, it was behin~ (\nus by a mile, according to the radar.\nNow this is all /\non radar.\nAnd now, mind you, it' s nighttime and it was\nright there.\nWe could see it plain as day.\nOkay, let' s see, we were at the-­\nOkay, that's when we got to this next screwy thing.\nwas almost nine tenths of a" }, { "n": 63, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p63.jpg", "text": "C\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad.\nSee, the REP went straight out and kept on going.\nThe REP goes straight out and then it just kept on\ngoing. It was slowing down very l ittle and just kept on\ngoing and going and going and going.\nAnd it never really stopped.\nWhat it d:Ld was it\nsorta, it sorta starting going off this way, you !mow,\nand it never got out to a node point wh~re you had\na definite stopping range and a start back in again.\nWell, the range rate never got below a foot per second.\nThe range rate never decreased.\nYou never got a decrease\nin range rate, but it just kept-it started drifting slowly\nof f the 270 line on back out, but it we·nt straight\nout the 270 line to a- ­\nWhat was the range?\nDo you remember what the range was\nwhen it sti ll was out there?\nIt went straight like relative motion to us would\nhave looked like it went out looking down a plan form,\nif we were here. It looked like it went out like this\nand it slowly started doing this.\nYeah.\nAnd it never did have a stop to it. It finally crossed\nbehind us back in here someplace." }, { "n": 64, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p64.jpg", "text": "Cooper\n\"\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n59\neNftOf\nWe never got the point where it crossed behind us be­\ncause somewhere when it was about the 210 point was when\nwe were out of fuel, of fuel cell o2.\nYeah, well, you see, we went by Carnarvon-­\nAnd this was coming down just BALOOM BALCOM BALOOM\nBALCOM BALCOM.\nSee, here we go.\nWe went by Carnarvon.\nHere I was trying\nto figure out in here what was going on and what we\nwere going to take out and everything and we went by\nCarnarvon and right here at Carnarvon and that's when\nCharlie .. . called up and says check your o2 heater\nswitch to AUTO .\nNow I had seen it fall, had noticed\nthat it had been falling and I had gone to the AUTO\nposition when without even being told -­\nYou had already gone to nanua.l.\nAnd then I was doing many other things and I decided\nit wasn' t coming up and so I'd gone to manual and held\nit over there a couple times and sort of looked at it\nand -­\nThat didn' t work either.\nI must have kidded myself into thinking that I was\ngetting something out of it, and then I forgot it\nagain and then~­" }, { "n": 65, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p65.jpg", "text": "60\nCooper\nConrad\n:But you did go back to the AUTO.\nYeah. I put ii; back in AUTO , you know, and then I called\nt hem, I think it was on the tape and I think I told\nthem, I said, the S'f!litch is on AUTO .\nWe're okay.\nDon' t worry about it and then right aft er that we got up\nto this 240 or so in there and we realjzed that something\nwas wrong and the heater was out and I guess we told\nthem-­We told them at Carnarvon that t he heater was out.\nCooper\nWell, we checked at that time then on ·~he annneter on\nand off and on and off t hat on both manual and AUTO and\nit was obvious.\nConrad\nAnd that' s when we-­\nCooper\nAnd it was coming down so rapidly that it looked like\nvery shortly thereafter we were going to have fuel\nConrad\ncell stoppage..\nWe were getting below 200 and falling pretty fast and\nwe had a big discussion between ourselves and we just\nmade up our mind to forget the REP.\nWe felt we were\nCooper\nreally in trouble.\nSo we elected at that point to start rowering down because\nwe knew that we were using fuel cells at a very high\nrate.\nConrad\nAnd we secured the Platform and Radar and everything else." }, { "n": 66, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p66.jpg", "text": "r\n~\nENTI~ -\n61\nCooper\nSo we said okay and we 're stopping it right here and of\ncourse about this time we were in the boondocks area\naway from everybody as always occurs.\nConrad\nWe were between Carnarvon and Hawaii.\nCooper\nAnd--so we just started powering down everything and\nholding on.\nConrad\nSo from there on we were off the Flight Plan.\nCooper\nFrom here on to the next twenty orbits the REP was\nright with us. Ha,Ha,Ha!\nConrad\nThat' s what I cam't figure out.\nHow did it get 375\nmiles from us when it hung around f or 5 orbits? That\ndarned thing.\nEverytime we went on the night side-\nCooper\nIt was so-­\nConrad\nAs a matter of fact, I didn't see it for a time or two\nand then all of a sudden, the nose of the spacecraft was\nlighting up!\nCooper\nWe even saw it in the day side. It was so near we could\neven see it in the day side and at the transit areas when\nthe light woul d be shining on it we ' d be just going into\nthe darkness we could look back and you could even see i;\nthe dipole on it as it tumbled.\nThe tumble rate was very,\n..\nvery slow.\nConrad\nAnd then you guys called up and told us it was 375 miles" }, { "n": 67, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p67.jpg", "text": "62\nC\nCooper\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nThat 1s impossible.\nThat thing wasn't that far\naway.\nIt hung right in there.\nI think that's the whole things .\nBut 1 111 tell you there were two differnnt night\nsides we went into. Several- ­\nTwo different night sides- -well , I reaU y-- i t\nwouldn 1 t have surprised me if it had hit us.\nMe either. It seemed to me like it was a lot closer.\nThat's what made me think that well, th? platform\nwas aligned and I don't know what exactly happened.\nI did notice that it sort of climbed on us.\nSo\nthen I had the feeling that maybe it was doing sort\nof a figure eight type thing.\nThat maybe we had\nfired it off up or down a little bit yoQ know.\n.And it was in three dimensions; a little bi t out\nof plane working it's way around us , backing up\nand going a.head and coming back around because the\ndarn thing was always there . It was there until\nthe darn lights burned out on it. Anyti me we\nwanted to find it if you wanted to move the\nspacecraft around you could find it out there.\nEOl\"'lf!ltJEt ◄ =F hA. L" }, { "n": 68, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p68.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nIt was close enough so that almost any attitude\nyou were in you could see i t shining on the\nspacecraft.\nEven if it was clear back out here\nyou could see the nose just lighting up from it.\nConrad\nSo I know it couldn' t have been too darn far away.\nI mean maybe up to five miles or something l ike\nthat, but it didn ' t get that far away from us .\nI\ndon' t understand the 375.\nI was really surprised\nthat those guys called up and said it was 375 miles\naway.\n1\nCooper\nYes.\nWell , I don't believe that figure.\nConrad\nIt will be real interesting to see what they dig\nout f r om it.\nWell, all the radar and everything\nwe had is on the tape , isn't it?\nCooper\nWell, that was our first big heart breaker.\nConrad\nWe ought to be able to put that all together .\nCooper\nAfter all the work we did on t he REP , then not\nto pull the rendezvous out, we sure-­\nConrad\nWell , from there until we got the GO to 6-4 we\njust were along for the ride.\nWe just stayed-­\nCooper\nI knew that--I was just so sure of all the time we\n..\nput in simulating that darn thing I just had a\nqueasy, uneasy feeling that maybe we better put" }, { "n": 69, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p69.jpg", "text": "64\nin more time on other things.\nThat something was going to go wrong-~\nConrad\nI felt every problem that we had I felt real\ngood about the fact that we had either the smarts\nt o lmow that it was straight forward--\nIt didn't\ntake too long to figure out that that h1~ater was\non one line, both heaters, and that we'd had a\nsingle point failure.\nAnd as a mat ter- of - fact we\nt ook the schematics out.\nCooper\nAnd there's another argument for our ha-ring it;' for\nwhen it occured there wasn' t anybody around to ask\nadvice.\nConrad\nI t was very straight forward to throw the switches\nand look at the amp meter to see whethe:c you were\ngetting anything out. There was no dou·:it in my\nmi nd that it had burned out and the sam,= daml\nthing with the thrusters. When we finally decided\nwe had a problem with them we went through the\nci rcuit breakers just like we did in th= trainer\nand it was obvious that number 7 was out and 8\nwent out and then the rest of them started getting sour.\nSo, I think that all the training we had we were pretty\nwell prepared." }, { "n": 70, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p70.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nI do , too.\nI ' l l tell you­ - the launch­ -we were\nperfectly normal and right on the money-­\nConrad\nYes , we were sitting there waiting to find out what\nthey wanted us to do.\nI mean we !mew we could\ngo on the batteries long enough to get to a\nfairly decent re­ entry place and we wer e taking\nbets wi th one another and we were kidding about\nMcDivitt.\nThere must have been real pandamoni um\nat MCC .\nThey were burning up the lines to every­\nwhere .\nBecause ther e r eally wasn' t anythi ng we\ncould do after that but just sort of wait.\nWe\nre- stowed everything and we were ready to go i nto\n6-4 if they wanted us to .\nWe wer e all prepared to\ngo i nt o 6-4.\nWe didn 1 t want t o.\nCooper\nWe really didn 1 t thi nk we ' d make 18-1.\nConrad\nGordo was the eternal optimist though.\nI 'd say ,\n\"125 pounds\" and he'd say, \"Well , it hasn't really\nfallen anymore. 11\nThen it would fall about another\n20 pounds and I'd say, \"Well , that' s 100 pounds\nnow,\" and he'd say, \"Well , that's really not much\nbel ow what it was before.\"\nI think we had a little more confidence than the\nguys on the ground, I really do .\nI r emember old" }, { "n": 71, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p71.jpg", "text": "66\n1':0 NEID Ebll IAJ. ..\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nSteiner saying don't worry about that liq_uid\n:\ngoing through that heat exchanger.\nHe said it\nwill go through just fine .\nThe one thing that I\nthought was that we might have dinged the tank\nwith the REP but as long as the q_uantity stayed\nup there we were in pretty good shape, but I wasn't\nsure that we didn't just might have sorre sort of\na hole back there and were just slowly leaking\npressure even though the q_uantity-­\nThat was one thing--we always worried E~bout that\nREP with that big diapole hanging out. If it\nskewed up a little going out what woulcl it wipe\nout going out. It just happened to be with a lot\nof that OAMS--fuel cell lines and all 'Ghat type\nstuff back there and that was one thing that\nalways kind of concerned us about ejecting the REP\nnow and then.\nSo that was one thing we kept running )ver and\nwondering what i t had wiped out.\nYes.\nThat was the only thing that kept bothering\nme , but it held to 60 though and that was pretty\ngood.\nOkay.\nLet's see boresight on REJ?,nodal crossing.\nWe didn't get the nodal cropsing.\nI · sure wish we\ntoNFll)Et~t1'1L" }, { "n": 72, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p72.jpg", "text": "FpSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCOMflDEN I IA[»\ncould have hung on long enough to find out where\ni t crossed us behind there.\nLet's back up just a minute on your lock on.\nOkay.\nBoy, it just clung right on to it and zap.\nWe got the lock on and the darn range and range\nrate came right on there. It was moving right\nout at about 5 1/ 4 feet per second just throttling\nright down the old line.\nAddress 69 was reading just fine.\nEverything was right on the money.\nAddress 58, 59-­\nThe range was moving right on out just like it\nshould and we were sitting right there on our 270\npoint on the ball tracking right straight out for\na long ways out.\nThen is when the variance came\nin, when it kept going out. It should have\nstarted slowing down on range rate.\nBut, it\nseemed like it was slowing down awfully slow. It\nseems like the range rate kept on for quite a ways .\nYou know I had a 58,of -63.8, and a 59 of a 13~8\nat .89 miles and we should have never gotten that\nfar away from i t ever--in the beginning.\nSee with it moving out at the R that we had, all\nthe figures we had ever run on it--we had our own" }, { "n": 73, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p73.jpg", "text": "68\nlittle calculations right here--finally we were\noff our graph up there, weren't we?\nConrad\nYes.\nWell, you' ve got to realize that the graph' s\nbased on out of plane and this was the hypotenuse\nto the thing, but even so-­\nCooper\nBut s t i ll you 've got to-­\nConrad\nIt still went away more than it should have.\nCooper\nBecause you cosine angles were fairly 13mall in\nt here.\nConrad\nIt still went away more than it should have.\nCooper\nI don't quite understand it.\nConrad\nWe 'll know what the platform--I presume they can\nt ell how well we had the platform al igned.\nCooper\nBut there again, there 's the f irst little horse\nshoe nail that throws the glitch in things.\nWhen\nthat darn scanner screwed up right at the most\ncrucial time . It probably had been screwing up\nall along, we just hadn't really caught it.\nI t\nreally threw the glitch in right therEi at a point\nwhen it really shouldn't have.\nWe ma~, have lucked\nout still , and gotten.it out right on the money\nand it may not have been the problem.\nI don't\nknow, but anyway with the best we had to work with\nwe got it out the best we could and it looked like\n=" }, { "n": 74, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p74.jpg", "text": "Conrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\n•\nit went out in good fashion.\nI think we still\nwould have been all right if we had gone ahead\nand done the rendezvous with no problem even if\nwe had gotten a little out of plane with it we could\nhave handled this later on.\nBut, there again it made\nit difficult for Pete because it got him completely\noff his schedule, too.\nIt got him late blowing\nthe doors.\nWell , we s till were reasonably well on\ntop of it.\nLet' s see.\nWe can skip all this REP s tuff.\nYou got anything\nelse you want to lmow about the radar?\nIt would be best I think to go on through it and\nsay what you did and didn ' t do so we can stay on\nthis.\nYes, well-­\nUse your flight plan.\nWell, we got as far--let 's see, it says when on bore- ­\nsight read and record address 58, 59 , and 69 and\nthis was just before 2: 51 when we were supposed\nto have a reading to give back on the ground.\nThis is the reading I got: 58 read -63.8, 59 read\n139. 8.\nThe distance was-- address 69 was .89 miles\nand I got that at the t ime that it was supposed to" }, { "n": 75, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p75.jpg", "text": "70\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nbe gotten,\nWhy don' t you bring the flight plan over here\n\"\nand let's start down it.\nWe might as well\nskip what he has in the flight plan here\nbecause it varies so from there on.\nFrom here on you can for get this flight plan.\nThat' s right.\nRight here.\nWhere's our little book of the fli ght plan?\nI've got i t right here.\nOh, okay.\nOkay.\nAll this time we sweated out getting home\nand that' s when we wound up-- here is where we\ns tarted on this flight plan, at 1 day and 02 hours,\nso that's 12 hour s after lift- off.\nWe finally got back on A f light plan ani -­\nYes, and that' s the first thing we started to do\nwas to power back up.\nOne day.\nThat's 24 hours.\nNo .\nThat one day remember we-­\nWe star ted that one day-­\nWe went CEl' to 2400 Zulu and then that became day\n1, 00 hours and lift-off was 1400 Zulu.\nCON·rrD Et ◄ ifI,A. L~" }, { "n": 76, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p76.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nFrom lift­ off until 2400 hours the day of launch\nwas elapsed t ime and s tarting at that t ime we started\ncalling it day one and then GM!'.\nConrad\nOkay.\nSo , we went through a l i ttle deal here\nwhere we started to power up and they let us tum­ ­\nwe'd been drifting hadn' t we?\nCooper\nYes.\nI ' ll say.\nConrad\nWe turned up the AC , ACME inverter on and the ACME\nbias power on OAMS attitude on and we went t9 pulse\nand we were supposed to power back down again at\n02 + 27 + 25.\nWe were supposed to have this H2\npurge at 02 + 45 + 00 .\nThat was the first thing,\nthey were just going to let us purge H\nwe\n2\ndidn't purge the o:xygen.\nEverybody was worried\nabout that.\nThen we were on the flight plan and\nthey gave us an update time for our first\nmedical pass and we stayed­ - ! think we took these\nvision tests , didn ' t we?\nCooper\nYes, we did.\nConrad\nWe just stayed right on the fli ght plan, had the\nvision tests, and I have a comment in here that at\n01 days 04 hours and 32 minutes we saw our first\nmeteor r e- enter.\nCooper\n~an, we saw a lot of those meteorites re­ enter" }, { "n": 77, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p77.jpg", "text": "72\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n€Orle time ­\nThat was the normal sleep peri,:,d and we\njust barely have things all sq·.lared away\nso then we both powered down -·­\nGo thru this terrible 50 minut,:s with both\nof us like this - we' d uh- uh, oh, yeah - hi" }, { "n": 130, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p130.jpg", "text": "125\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nthere - laughter.\nYeah, ok, everything1s fine (snoring)\n(1a,1g~+.er) .\nTalk about lonely--that •s when it really\ngot bad.\nYou really knew you were out\nin the no place.\nWe just discussed one thing while you\nwere out, was this window situation.\nYou\ncouldn't even begin to see out of Pete' s\nwindow when we launched. It was really\nterrible and it was in between those\noutside panes and glass .\nAnd my window\nbetween the outside sealed units and the\ninside unit of glass there was a bee ­\nOh, yeah, yeah, that stuff is on the\ninside of the outer pane.\nI ·don' t\nknow\nhow that got there.\nAnd inside these two outside units on my\nside in between those and the inside pane\nof glass there was a little bee and a\nfly and a whole bunch of flecks of dirt\nand odds and ends in there.\nAnd my\nwindow wasn' t as frosted over as his." }, { "n": 131, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p131.jpg", "text": "126\nConrad\nFCSD rep.\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nOver the period of time, they both got\na certain amount of little frosty scum\non the outside of them and when we fired\nthe scanner covers there were about foUT\nor five little gray flecks of etuff and\ndebris just flew everywhere right in that\nperiod of time and four or five· little\ngray flecks came on the window.\nHeck, that's before launch isn't it?\nOh, I didn' t know that.\nDid it ever clear up?\nNo . I think it was just unforg:i.veable.\nI think if they can I t do bette1· on windows\nthan that they ought to just qt.it trying.\nI could see maybe having some El.lllount of\ndebris-and then when you use the thruster s\nthe debris would all show up again.\nWe\nwere on--here we are up here--t his med\ndata. Day 4, 16 hours and that data ­\ndid.\n16 hours 28 minutes - D-4, D- 7, D-6, 423b.\nYeah that was the second missi:.e - which\nwe didn I t get any track on -- ue saw ­\ni'" }, { "n": 132, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p132.jpg", "text": "127\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nONFl0ENTIA[\nHF test 4 then at 417 ,\n4:17:40 med\ndata was done.\nHF test 4 ended on ­\ndown there - OK, day 4, 19 hours 44 minutes\nwas S- 7 which was completed.\nYeah, both the ·s- 71 s were completed.\nThen there's an S-7b, 21 hours , 9 minutes\nand 50 seconds storm Doreen - we completed,\nTime of closest approach was at 21:09:30,\nThey had us tracking this storm - you\nsee\nOh, yeah.\nWe estimated the eye was\n250 miles left of course\napproximately\n-\nHave you got the orbits - yeah, here it\nis.\nThis thing is the greatest thing in\nthe whole world. It 1s the simplest ­\ncheapest thing in the spacecraft and ­\nIt is - it is great.\nWe would have been lost without this\nthing. This orbital update map.\nBoy,\nit really- well, the orbit was really\ngood as far as ­\nYou really don't know where ~ou are at­" }, { "n": 133, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p133.jpg", "text": "128\n,,,\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nBut this is a good little map t oo. It\nreally has the right things on it.\nThere wasn't anytime we didn' t Look\ndown and know exactly where we ·Here.\nThis thing is really great. Probably the\ncheapest thing in the spacecraft.\nThat 1s one Jerry Jones made up.\nWe tried\nout a long time ago and I said I liked\nit and I wanted to take one like that\nrather than this big elaborate one ­\nYeah, it really worked great.\nYeah, I just saw all these map star updates\nwe had here.\nYeah.\nOne thing they could do .\nThey\ncould put about 3 or 4 more orbi ts on it\nand not have t o update it so often.\nMight\nbe a little handier. Just a tr.ought ­\nbut it 1 s good the way i t is. CK, l et's\nsee, we' re on day 4, 22 hours end 20\nminutes - we did a cabin l ighting survey.\nWe did the radar test 10.\nCabi n lighting\nS-7 , MSC-1.\nAnd med data.\n~tf>fNT=IAL" }, { "n": 134, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p134.jpg", "text": "129\n~\nffDffiTIA[\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nApollo landmark 207- that was at 07:14:25\nmust be day 5,\nNo , not that far along - We did UHF 6\nwe did at 2 hours , day 5, 2 hours and\nsomething.\nYou said you had an S-7 that was again\nduring my sleep cycle and you said missed\nwhile discussing Cryos with CSQ.\nRight.\nAnd then you had an MSC 1 at 05:40 and you\ngot that done.\nNow you're ahead of me--hold up just a\nminute.\nWe're down here now - let~ see ­\nhere's the S-7. 05 :40 MSC- 1 that was done.\nYou got your Apollo landmark ­\nApollo landmark at sequence 207 at 7 hours\nand 14 minutes.\nWhat was 207?\nLake Titicaca\nThat was the Canaries ­\nOh, yeah, all right. Then we had SAD- 13 ­\nvision tests on both of us which we did\ntogether instead of separately.\nAnd then" }, { "n": 135, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p135.jpg", "text": "130\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nNFl0Etsl:TIAt '4\nat 5 day, 10 hours and 20 mim:.tes we\nhad Apollo No. 208, which we g'Ot .\nWe\nhad S- 502 which we got .\nWe had D- 4,\nD- 7, sequence 414 which we got and we\nhad the platform tests which ·Ke did.\nYeah then we got the radar teet run ­\nAnd Pete has a note here \"Get serious,\"\nit really starts getti ng thick and\nheavy.-­\nWell , I don't know--they were really getting\nwild ­\nWe had a platform aline - plat form test,\nradar test , this is day 5, 11 hours and\n35 minutes - We had D- 6, D-4, D- 7, platform\naline, radar test ­\nThat ' s where they were off the·ir rocker.\nBut we got them.\nThose were s.ll in the\nday 5, 11 to 12 hours ­\nListen, there' s a lot of sloppy things\nin there - I mean we got thine:s done but\nwe missed little subtleties -· like we\nwere supposed to run the 16mm camera\nalong with some part of the I R gear and\nI wouldn I t get that on - and E. bunch of\n0NF-IDENT.IAL\n.Iii" }, { "n": 136, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p136.jpg", "text": "G0MF-IDFiNTl~\"t\n131\nlittle things.\nAgain, we were always\nman, they had stuff thrown at us as fast\nas you could say Jack Robinson,\nCooper\nLet ' s see-­S-B , D-13 at Laredo--do you have\none of those right in that period- day 5,\n13 hours -\nConrad\nDay 5, 13 hours - no .\nCooper\nI don' t have it either.\nConrad\nI have this all scratched out for some\nreason,\nCooper\nD- 6 - This is where we really began to\nhave trouble with something -- what was\nit we were really having trouble with?\nConrad\nThe O.AMS systems cut out.\nCooper\nThat ' s right. The O.AMS systems pooped\nout.\nDay 5, at about 11 hours when we\nwere cranking up for this is when we found\nthat our OAMS systems was really getting\nbad, and we already had discovered that\nwe had one thruster out and a partial\notrer one out but this is the time when\nwe found out we had about 3 others that\nwere just about out.\nConrad\nYeah, I have a little note here - report\n- ~ NFIDENilAl" }, { "n": 137, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p137.jpg", "text": "132\n•\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nto flight ~oi ce tape out - num·oer 7 yaw\nleft thruster out and OAMS heat er light\nturned back on again.\nAnd so we were supposed to ask 7 Keywest\nand D- 8 S-13, SAD- 13 about 6: 22:50 ­\nOK - From ther e on for a while things\njust got scrubbed i n the flight plan on\nthat day five, the l atter part of the\ntime on entries there.\nYeah, that ' s when they got us into this\nminimum power down - voice cont~ol - 1\nsuit f an - 2 coolant pumps, 1 a,Jq_. aid,\nUHF r eceiver, DOS receiver, PCM ­\nThat ' s when they decided the hydrogen\nwasnI t going to l ast at the preoent\nelectri cal rate.\nThat ' s what I wrote down - Houston hot\ndope - drift for three days - r icky, tieky.\n(Laughter) Sorry ­\nBut at day 5, 19 hours and 25 minutes we\ndid get a fix on Doreen - wher e she was\nther e .\nYeah, everything happened that day.\nThat" }, { "n": 138, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p138.jpg", "text": "133\nCooper\nConrad\nIDE1'1TIA ­\nwas when the PC02 started to read for\nsome reason.\nPC02 came off the scale and was reading\nway up there for a while. We broke out\none of the co2 tapes, and it showed that\nwe were still all right .\nWe figured the\ngage was its usual reliability.\nOkay, now, I think this is good for the\nrecorder right here. At that time, as\nof 5 days 21 hours 00 minutes they\nwanted to know what our experiment status\nwas.\nSo on the UHF , we had completed\ntests 1, 2, 3 and I said 6 just so that\nif they were still trying to keep that\nnumber under their lid. That's what it\nsounded like because they kept mentioning\nit. We' d done D-1 , 1, ~, and 3 which\nhad completed D-1. D- 2 we had done\nnothing, because we didn' t get the REP.\nD-6 we'd taken 72 pictures.\nD- 4, D- 7 we' d\nhad completed 405, 408, 409, 410, 410a,\n410b , 411, 414, 420, 422 , 423a, 423b , 424a,\n425a.\nWe had 16 minutes and 8 seconds of\nJeo~~f6i~tW on. ~" }, { "n": 139, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p139.jpg", "text": "134\nConrad\nOn S-8, D-13 we completed all tests although we\ndidn' t see the targets several times.\nOn S- 1 we\ncompleted it. S-5 and S-6 we'd taken three maga­\nzines for a total of 210+ pictures . S-7 we had\n23 pictures or 8 groups that they had ~anted plus\nwe had taken cal card picture.\nThe M-1 broke at\n4 days and some odd hours, and I don' t know the\nexact time.\nM-3 didn't make any difference. MSC-1\nwe did on day one , three, and four.\nApollo-we got\nLandmarks 207, 8, 121 and 13. We'd done 4 cabin\nlighting surveys.\nThe humidity sensor we read at\nleast once a day, and the 16mm film we had one and\na quarter magazines shot up which is general stuff.\nThat was what we had completed in 5 days.\nThen\nfrom there on, we went through this big drill of\nsending up of all kinds of experiments but don't\nexpend any fuel on them.\nAn so we were pretty well\nrestricted to S-5, S-6, and S-7 type phJtographs\nwhich was about all we got.\nCooper\nCatch as catch can.\nConrad\nWe marked down all this other stuff. W1~ did catch\na D-4/D-7 occasionally if it was the ri1sht sort of\nthing-if we were sort of pointed in the right" }, { "n": 140, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p140.jpg", "text": "135\nFJD~TIAL ~\ndirection.\nLike I got a--in drifting flight I\ngot 417 and 418 at 6 days 8 hours 41 minutes.\nI don ' t remember what that is .\nCooper\nFrom here on, we just-- we drifted through this\nperiod of time and the only time we ever powered\nanything up was when the drift rates got up pretty\nhigh.\nWe would power up, damp the rates, and power\nright back down, and hope we- - and did manage to\nkeep somewhat attitude so we could get occasionally\nsome pictures.\nFor instance on--we did continue\ndoing MSC-1 experiments which incidentally-- even in\ntimes of minimum power when they wanted us powered\nright down to our eyeballs they still left MSC- 1\non.\nI don ' t know how much fuel i t takes , but it\nalways erks me if we had to have everything off\nwhy could they manage to leave that one on.\nDay\n6 , 8 hours, 41 minutes we got D-4/D-7 417 , 418 , and\n414 .\nConrad\nYes , on that one day, Day 6, when they had the HF\ntests in Houston--0roadcast HF- - we had Houston on\nHF till 15 hours 59 minutes 00 seconds and this\nincluded the remoting through Ascension,and the\nremoting through Ascension was beautiful .\nThat" }, { "n": 141, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p141.jpg", "text": "was really good recepti on.\nAnd then tl:.ey were\nplaying 'Never on Sunday' and that faded out at\n15 hours 08 minutes.\nCooper\nThat was the best HF test we had.\nConrad\nYes, and we started receiving the music again\ncoming around the other side of the wo1·ld at\n15 hours 49 minutes. This must be 16::9.\n14:59?\n14:59, I got the wrong number in here J think. I'll\njust make a note to check it. No, thi~ is 15:08,\n15:49 which is about right half way arcund the world\nand this number may be wrong.\nCooper\nIs that day 6?\nConrad\nYes, check it and see if we got a note in the Flight\nPlan.\nDay 6 at 1400, almost 1500.\nThen we did\nsome of these radar tests and for the 1ikes of\nme to underst and do you know what was ~ome of the\ndiscussion on why the radar didn't work after that .\nGee, it locked up so beautifully the first day on\nthe REP down there.\nCooper\nThe one REP pass we had, man, things Jt;.st worked\nlike a charm.\nConrad\nAnd it just never did work after that.\nWe always\ngot a lock on." }, { "n": 142, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p142.jpg", "text": "137\n•\nCooper\nAnd I read analog.\nMy analog read beautiful , but\nhe couldn' t read out digital and that' s impossible\nbecause the analog data comes from the di gital data.\nI could even tell where it was. It was si tting\nout on Meritt Island, wasn't it? I ' ll bet--it was\naccurate enough--I ' ll bet you that you could almost\nt ell what building it was in. It looked like it\nwas r ight out here in the south part of the complex\nhere .\nConrad\nWhere wer e we receiving music f r om?\nCooper\nWe got a little Chinese HF br oadcast every now and\nthen.\nPeoples program.\nConrad\nWe went through these radar tests just drif ting\naround out there.\nCooper\nOh, yes , they were trying to jam our r adios .\nEverytime we went over the China area.\nConrad\nI had the decided impression that they were t rying\nto jam our UHF.\nSo it was either that or--oh, yes ,\nwhere was it where we heard the radar on the r adio.\nCooper\nChina.\nConrad\nNo , we were along the fringes of Russia, but we\nwent over China.\nWe were over something like Indi a .\nCooper\nWe wer e coming right over the Tibet­ - the hi gh Tibet\nQWflO" }, { "n": 143, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p143.jpg", "text": "138\narea there , and we were just on the south edge of\nChina.\nConxad\nHave you ever t axied close by radar?\nYou can hear\ni t on radio , i t goes \"beep , beep, beep, beep,\"\nand you can even clock the antenna sweep, and\nyou can get about three pulses. . . . \"Beep,beep ,beep,\"\nand then, \"beep, beep, beep\" , and you can see that\nold antenna down there on the ground going around\nand we could hear the UHF as big as heck and we\nwere way up in the middle of no place, and I know\ndarn well it must have been--Russian radar.\nCooper\nWe were up on the high of southern China.\nHigh\nplains area.\nConxad\nOkay, then we ran another eXPeriment summary, and\nthis eXPeriment summary was for the sixth day.\nAnd on the D- 6 we did not see 135 which was the\nLaser.\nLaser out of White Sands .\nNever did see\nthat darn Laser.\nAnd the D-4/D-7 we caught a\n417, 418, and on S-6 we 'd taken five more pictures .\nOn S-5 we'd t aken 43 more pictures and on S-7 we 'd\ntaken one more storm or two pictures.\nOn S-8 , D- 13\nI have no- - we didn't get to mark the targets , but\nwe may have gotten the 70mm pictures of them that" }, { "n": 144, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p144.jpg", "text": "EM=FfAL\n139\nthey wanted.\nI had to point--I may have all\nspacecraft in the picture .\nI don' t know-we were\njust drifting by this one.\nAnd then at 11 hours\n30 minutes on the sixth day, we went through this\ncrank up this number 2 fuel cell again after it\nhad been shut down for 20 hours .\nThey wanted to\nbring it up by warming up the coolant loop so\nwe went through this drill of shutting off the\nPrimary Cooling Valve Circuit Breaker and opening\nthe Rad Flow to BYPASS so that we could bypass\nthe SECONDARY LOOP and let it warm up a bit.\nThen\nwe went through the purge procedures and brought\nthe fuel cell on the l i ne .\nAnd i t came on pretty\ngood.\nConrad\nWe never got any of the rest of the experiments\non that day.\nThey wanted general photos of the\nU. S. and so forth , D- 6 1 s and we just were never\nin position.\nWe were always pointed straight up\nor something like that .\nThen we had another UHF\ntest leaving the States and on the seventh day\nand we lost HF on the seventh day at 16 hours\nand 27 minutes and 00 seconds.\nI had the Squelch\nset on 4 , and I brought the Squelch up higher and\n.." }, { "n": 145, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p145.jpg", "text": "140\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n~ NFl0ENTIAL\nand we got them back again and lost it 3 minutes\nlater at 07 days 16 hours and 30 minufos .\nThen\nwe did a MSC- 1.\nI have a note here 7 days and 20 minut(~S was that\nlarge storm where we located the depre:3sion on it.\nTake a look at it , and see just where :Lt was ,\nand weather breaking off from it.\nAnd then when they came up with their :1ext ground\nt est whi ch-­\nHad two S-7 eXPeriments .\n. ..which I think we could have done without and\nthat ' s when they had us warm up the solenoids for\nten minutes.\nThe thing that got to us was that\nwe had turned-- They had us shut off the Propellant\nValve and what we should have done was dumped the\nPropellant by rotating through all control posi tions\non the handle , but what they had us do was go to\nthe full yaw left position and dumped the whole load\nof manifold pr opellants out through the the mal­\nfunctioning left yaw thrusters and man did .that\ncouple up into a couple of beautiful rates, and we\nwere doing it at night, and we didn ' t realize until\nit was too l ate and all of a sudden there were the" }, { "n": 146, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p146.jpg", "text": "141\nstars going by, and we were just going through the\nworld every which way, and we were supposed to\nhold it that way f or ten minutes and we were--okay,\nwe were well aware .. . .\nCooper\nWhere were you? This day 7?\nConrad\nYes , and I just got to this big set of procedures\non that test and it didn' t work .\nCooper\nI have a note here at Day 7, 3 hours and 19 minutes\nonly 22 more r evolutions to go.\nSame length as\nMA­ 9.\nConrad\nOkay, now, here are the comments of the degregation\nof the other thruster s .\nNow left roll only with\nthe roll logic switch in pitch.\nWe had no right\nyaw.\nRight yaw only with the roll logic switch in\nyaw position.\nNo left roll. Then if you had the\nroll logic in yaw, pitch up and down were okay in\nyaw right gave right roll also.\nPitch up , right\nroll , pitch down you also got a right roll .\nYou ' ve got to figure out which thruster s were\nweaker than the other ones .\nCooper\nRoll right gave yaw right.\nConrad\nRight, and then r oll logic and pitch rolled right\nokay.\nRoll left okay.\nNo left yaw.\nSo and the" }, { "n": 147, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p147.jpg", "text": "142\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCONFIDEJ\\ITr\nother thing is is when you hit the thrusters you\ncan very definitely tell from the sound that some\nwere putting out· more than others.\nI think that ' s what was giving us the yaw\nroll off was that in pairs of thruster of one would\nbe strong maybe and one weak and would give you\ncouplings .\nThat was exactly what was happening.\n~'.hey were\ncross coupling.\nIt was really messy.\nAnd then I 1ve got down here the roll..\nI have\nnothing else in the book until we start talking\nabout retro here and the changes that we decided\nto go into 121- 1 instead of 122.\nAnd t here would\nbe 27 minutes over Carnarvon instead of 36 and all\nthe power up sequence.\nNow , I ' ve got one comment .\nWe came up over Carnarvon and when I hi:.d-- when\nwe left the Cape on the Rev going into retrofire\na transmitted a val id load up t o the sJacecraft\nand I called McDivitt and I said , \"I ' m putting the\nComputer into Reentry,\" and we came up over\nCarnarvon and the guy says , \"Stand by. I ' m going\nto update you computer with a new load .\nBoom!\"\nGE>NFH:)ENffAL\n'" }, { "n": 148, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p148.jpg", "text": "143\n,,.\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n::.\nAnd the computer was in reentry and I said, \"Golly,\"\nand I swi tched that thing to pr elaunch and he said\nthe loads in and validated , and I didn't get a DCS\nlight.\nAnd I ' d gotten a DCS light everytime.\nWe never f ailed to get a DCS light.\nAnd I was never reall y convinced even when we\nchecked the two cores that the l oad was r ight that\nhe put up there , but I guess it was.\nThat ' s been\nchecked out .\nWe did have the right load in the\ncomputer.\nThat procedure is r eal ly poor, very, very poor.\nI don ' t understand. ...\nWe had agreed and agreed and agreed that nobody\nwould send a DCS load or anything without permission\nf r om you first--t i ll they cleared with you first .\nAnd he just right out of the clear blue sky with\n12 minutes-- something like that to go to retro.\n27.\n27 was it? Well , anyway, it ' s getting down darn\nclose .\nHere we were all l i ned--all set up to go\nand everything all squared away and what we thought\nwas a real proper load out of the Cape .\nHad gone\ninto reentry and here we wer e all set.\nThen here\n-CQNElQ f=.W+t AL" }, { "n": 149, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p149.jpg", "text": "144\nthis gu.y just says, \"I ' m sending a DCS update , \"\nand WHAM! her e it comes .\nNo warning.\nNo nothi ng.\nBefore you could even tell him to wait, t he\ndarn things i n reentry.\nConrad\nHe didn' t check his ground information, because\nif he' d looked at his boar d , he would t.ave seen\nthat the computer was in r eentry.\nHe could have\ntold us to put it in prelaunch. It all happened\nso fast .\nBoy, my heart r eally sank, because we\nhad that thing-- we were all set up .\nWe were rea~y\nto go and everything and that was a bi g· blitz.·\nNow, after 121 orbits and we'd left the Cape after\nstateside track.\nWhy, after 121 orbits did they\nhave to update that thing between the Cape and\nCarnarvon? I mean they should have known where\nthe heck we where .\nI just don' t understand it.\nCooper\nI don' t either and if they are going to play\naround with that , boy, my feelings r ight now on\ni t is that that DCS circuit breaker oug~t to be\noff all the time.\nI felt that way befo:ce , and\nI deci ded well , those guys worked out so well that\nmaybe it would work, but after that one time ,\nthat just convinced me that you ought to just" }, { "n": 150, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p150.jpg", "text": "145\n:z\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nturn that darn thing off and leave the DCS circuit\nbreaker off.\nOkay, the next thing before retrofire .\nI had one note here, just a second, at 7--Day 7,\n22 hours, and 30 minutes.\nWe were on that real\nblack night side way down there somewhere on the\nSouth American area.\nRemember we saw those tre­\nmendous series of thunderstorms .\nJust fantastic,\nyou could-­\nThe brightest lightning I ' ve ever seen anywhere .\nIt lit up the inside of the spacecraft .\n- - see hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles\nalmost as far as you could see in any direction\nout the windows you could see lightning just\nlighting up-just blossoming everywhere .\nThere\nwere hundreds of miles of thunderstorms of which\nyou could probably see at one time-you could\nprobably see 20 or 25 thunderstorms light up\nat the same time .\nAnd I've got somewhere on the 16mm film.\nI opened\nthe stops up, and I took pictures of the lightning.\nI don't know whet her it came out.\nThey would just light the whole spacecraft up." }, { "n": 151, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p151.jpg", "text": "Boy, I ' ve never seen such fantastic big areas\ncovered by .thunderstorms .\nJust , tremenious!\nAnd\nthey were big, each individual CB lookei like it\nwas maybe 50 to 100 miles across and just whole\ncolumns of them stacked around.\nThey must have\nreally been. ...\nConrad\nOkay, about the only other thing that I can think\nof that we did in the test nature there--was\nwanted to and did fire the oams Squibb on the\nregul ator, and you can' t hear it.\nAnd every other\nSquibb--every other thing that we ever fired we\ncould hear.\nBut that one we couldn' t hear.\nCooper\nThat simulator was really good on that SEP OAMS ,\nSEP ELECT, and SEP ADAPT .\nSimulator could be\na lot louder on the SEP ADAPT.\nThat thing really\ntakes off.\nConrad\nHow do you want to cover the reentry phase?\nBecause that's about it. I ' ve got one other comment,\nbut this one is written after landing. It' s the\n.\nHF whip antenna didn't deploy.\nFJDENTIAt" }, { "n": 152, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p152.jpg", "text": "JI\n147\nFIDENT ~L\nConrad\nWell, why don't we get ourselves down on the water?\nStowage wise when we left the United Stat es on the\nlast Cali fornia- Guaymas pass which occurred at-­\nit occurr ed around 7: 18:40, something like that.\nWe started our reentry stowage right then and there.\nVery early i n the game , because we wanted to make\nsur e that we had- - that was almost 20 some hours to\nreentry.\nCooper\nFirst of all , at least once a day, we went through\nthe entire cockpit and br ought everything up to\ncompletely clean configuration .\nEverything stowed\nand we had about a 2 day basis .\nWe planned what\nmeals we were going to need for the next 2 days and\nwe would get these meals out , get them stowed in an\neasy- to-get- to place--around the footwell areas-­\ngenerally i n the footwells back in our feet area\nand would restack and restow garbage and try and\nget it completely caught up on a day- to-day basi s ,\nso that we didn ' t have a lot of garbage sitting\naround.\nConrad\nWe always did i t right after that California­\nGuaymas l ast pass over the States starting out\ninto the boondock area and this conflicted with the\nPilot' s naptime.\nThat was my scheduled napti me .\nOf\\lFIDENTI" }, { "n": 153, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p153.jpg", "text": "148\n.€>MFt0ENTt.\nWe never- - we always ran late on that.\nI ' d get the\nnap, but I'd get it much later and that would cut\na l ittle bit into Gordo ' s sleep per iod and that\nwould wind up overlapping into my sleep period and\nthen we would both catch a nap . . .Gor do's napti me\nwhich was just before Carnarvon.\nCooper\nI don' t think we ever came over Carnarvon but what\nwe were asleep.\nConr ad\nThe next morning we would both be asleeip.\n. . . but\nGordo ' s right. The meals--if we wc,uld like to\nstop and talk about that.\nWe did not E?ven get into\nthe left food box until the fourth day.\nWe ate the\nmeals that were in the footwell .\nThere! were two\nstowage footwells to start with and th1:.t gave us\nthe two garbage bags that we always hac. out.\nIn\nother wor ds we always had two silver be.gs, food\nbags , open that we could put garbage ir.--any kind\nof garbage-- and we always kept two of those out, - ­\none on Gordo I s side and one on mine.\n~'hen we ' d\nactually collect more- -we ' d eat more me•als , but\nwe always ran with two of those out at least and\nwe ' d wind up with maybe two in each foctwell and\nthat's when we would restow at the end of that day.\nWhat we did was put as much of the garl:,age as\n'" }, { "n": 154, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p154.jpg", "text": "149\npossible back in the ri ght hand box.\nWe completely\nemptied the right hand box at the beginning of\nthe fli ght and stowed the articles around the\ncockpit in those red bags that we had built for the\nback of the seat and they really worked well.\nOn\nthe top of the seat.\nI kept two meals always stowed\ni n the area that led to the right hand stowage box\nover my left shoulder.\nI kept my two meals there.\nGordo normally kept his two down on either side\nof his helmet in the footwell area.\nWe kept our\ngarbage bags--our silver garbage bags down in there\nand the reason I say silver garbage bags is because\nthose green ones that McDonnell made just didn ' t\nwork at all. We never used them in the whole\nflight.\nCooper\nThey are no good at all .\nConrad\nThey tore up.\nCooper\nThey are hard to get into.\nThey tear.\nThe top-­\nthe way it puckers up there you have a hard time\ngetting anything in and out of it.\nI finally used\none over there to fasten that camera- -that 200\nmillimeter camera, that 35 mm camera.\nWe put the\nlens down there so that it would hold--so that the\nL" }, { "n": 155, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p155.jpg", "text": "150\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nbag would hold it in. Keep it from floating and\nthen fasten the velcro upon the back of the\nmaneuver controller.\nNow there was one thing that one green bag that I\nhad originally had the REP plan stow in it. The\nREP plan was never taken out and I never took the\nbag off the wall. Then, the other green bag had\nthe Poleroid light filter in.\nI took that light\nfilter in and out so many times that ihe elastic on\nthe top of the bag broke and the bag ~ot completely\nfrayed from my right leg rubbing agai:n.st it. My\npressure suit actually wore that clott all through.\nYou can see that on that bag t hat came out of there.\nSo they didn' t work at all .\nWe kept s.11 our food\ngarbage and all that little sort of tl:.ings in the\nsilver food bags that we opened and wl'..en we filled\none we would wrap it with tape and stew it down\nthere until it was time for our daily housecleaning.\nI might add for stowage two items that we found were\nextremely important were rubber bands and tape.\n\"\nWe actually ran out of tape on the eighth day pack­\ning the last of the garbage.\nWe used every bit of\ntape that we could lay our hands on.\nWe took the\ntape off of the bags.\nftBEN,T\"'L\n•" }, { "n": 156, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p156.jpg", "text": "151\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\n~GNaDENTIAL\nAnd I had a whole pocketful of rubber bands.\nAnd Gordo had a whole pocketful of rubber bands.\nWe found that was the only way to handle the food.\nAfter we ate a rehydratable package or even a few\nsolid packages that we opened.\nWe always resealed\nthem again wi th tape and rolled them up as small as\nwe could get them and used the tape to wrap them\nwith for stowage.\nTo keep them very small and compact.\nDid you get all this stuff where you originally\nplanned to put it?\nI have a copy of our reentry stowage here which\nshows what varied from the way it was.\nNow the\nbig items, there was only one big item that didn't\ngo .\nThere were only two i terns that didn't get\nstowed in the place that it was called for that I\nremember right now.\nThe S-1 camera went over in\nthe right food box rather than the left food box\nand the urine device we kept out until the last\nminute and we restowed it in its original stowage\nplace which was in Gordo's left box.\nAnd then there were two partial bags of defecation\nbags and an empty bag and one bag full of about a\nhalf of a meal , paper and wrappings from one meal" }, { "n": 157, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p157.jpg", "text": "152\nthat went in behind my ejection seat.\nI managed\nto work around the side and get clear down around\nto the back and manage to shove it down in behind\nthe seat.\nConrad\nThen I had a little bit of miscellaneous trash like\nthat in the right lower wrap around reel pouch that\nwas over the seat for reentry. It connisted of\nseveral things which we hadn't planned t o stow any\nplace.\nThe cardiovascular cuffs that :: cut off were\none of them.\nSome loose paper trash Lke the top\nround paper ring off the defecation bags.\nThis\nwas just a convenient place to put light trash and\nI saw no reason to remove it from there.\nAnd that\nwas about it. I forget--they'll have a list of\nthe other items that were in there but they were all\nminor paper things.\nCooper\nYes, I had a few pieces of paper and things in the\noutboard back wing.\nConrad\nBut we pretty well had everything s towed in its\nproper place before reentry. Very l i t-;le\nexception.\nWell, let me look right now.\nI marked\nwhat we had stowed in the right place.\nOkay, in the\ntwo left--they' re called left and right food box\nextensions.\nThe back ones that had thEi rubber coveTs\n~0NFI\nL" }, { "n": 158, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p158.jpg", "text": "153\non them.\nThey had originally had the-­ in my side\nthe blood pressure reprogrammer, the hose intercon­\nnect adapters and the pilot's personal preference\nkit.\nGordo's side it had just the personal prefer­\nence kit and the hose interconnect, right? There\nwasn't anything else in there, was there?\nCooper\nI don ' t think there was.\nIt calls out here for a blood pressure reprogrammer\nbut we only had one.\nCooper\nNo, we only had the one on board.\nConrad\nOkay, I removed those three items and Gordo removed\nhis two items just prior to reentry.\nCooper\nThe hose interconnect--! had\nConrad\nYes, that's what I sai d, the hose interconnect and\nthe pilot's personal preference kit.\nThe two kits\nwe stowed in our leg pockets and the two hose things\nwe stowed up in the green pouches during reentry\nso that they would be handy on the water to connect\nthe hoses up.\nWe filled those wing boxes with food\ntrash from the last days worth of meals because we\nhad completely filled the right hand food box with\ntrash and we had completely filled the left food box.\nLet' s see in the left food box we did stow the 16 mm\nJ:lDEN" }, { "n": 159, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p159.jpg", "text": "154\ncamera and we di d stow the 17 mm lens and the 18 nnn\nlens and the 75 mm Hasselblad.\nWe did not stow\nthe urine receiver there.\nWe stowed that up where\nit had started out in the left side food box.\nWe\ndid stow the mirror sight there and we did stow\nthe ri ng sight and we did stow the 18 voice tapes.\nNow the 18 voice tapes cartridge holder was entirely\nunsatisfactory.\nWe had to take the 18 voice tapes\nand take them in groups of three and wrap them with\ntape so that we had something that was a little\nhandi er to work with than stuffing that box.\nCooper\nYes , that thing is just too big.\nConrad\nWe stowed them in groups of three in that box, but\nwe got it all in there and the reason we didn't get\nanymore in was that that box was still half full of\nfood. Matter of fact, you didn ' t hardly get\nbelow the level of the lid.\nCooper\nI got just to the bottom level of the lid.\nConrad\nYes, there was a good three days worth of food\nleft in that box.\nEverything else went where it\nwas supposed to go.\nExcept we only stowed two\n16 mm film bags in the center compartment and I\nleft two in the original right hand box because they\nwere not exposed.\nWe spent so much time in drifting\n,eawflQEblJlAL\nI\n·•" }, { "n": 160, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p160.jpg", "text": "155\n..\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nf l ight and everything that we just di dn ' t ever\nshoot up the 16 mm film .\nThere just wasn ' t that\nmuch to shoot it up on.\nHow long for reentry? Starting stowage for reentry?\nWould you estimate?\nWe did it in three steps.\n20 hours before reentry\nwe started really really thinking about the big\nstuff.\nYou know the thing that we thought mi ght\ncause us a problem.\nThe one place that we were\nworried about was getting all the stuff in the\nleft hand box.\nSo that' s\nwhen we got t o looking\nat the tapes .\nWe got all the gear out that we had\nto stow in ·there i ncluding the Hasselblad and sort\nof got an idea how much room it was going to take\nin that box and that was when we decided we had to\ntape the cartridges.\nNow when I say tape 18 car­\ntridges, heck, that shot an hour r i ght there.\nmean, you just don ' t do anything fast up there,\nand so we were ready for reentry 6 or 7 hours\nbefore reentry.\nWe could have come in anytime,\nbecause we took care of our major i tems very early.\nNow, this doesn' t mean that we couldn' t afford to\npull that camera gear and run experiments because\nall that stuff was still in the same place and we\nI" }, { "n": 161, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p161.jpg", "text": "•\ncould have laid our hands on it. We didn't\nactually stow the Hasselblad till the very end.\nCooper\nWe stowed it about 4 hours.\nConrad\nAnd so we were prepared by working constantly\nthrough the night but not steadily.\nWe worked on\nand off.\nWe took little rests. Then we went\nback and-­\nCooper\nTo give a time estimate though for purposes of\nplanning I would say you should figure on it taking\nyou at least a minimum of about 4 hours to really\nthoroughly restow.\nAnd this depends 0:1 how messy\nthe cockpit is. If its really messy it will take\nlonger than that.\nIf the cockpit is r,~asonably\nsquared away and reasonably clean you ;,hould\nfigure on it taking about 4 hours to rHally complet­\nely thoroughly stow everything and get ready for\nreentry.\nConrad\nNow we were really conscious all 8 dayn­ - we would\nsay to one another, \"Boy, it's time to stop and\nstow things right now,\" because the si·;uation is\ngetting out of hand and you'd be surpr:.sed at\nhow fast you can build up trash in tha\"; cockpit\nand not realize that it is in there, ycru see.\n•" }, { "n": 162, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p162.jpg", "text": "157\nRealize that if we had to reenter shortly or even\nif we pack it t ightly, but I think the bottom of\nthe box I think I wasted a--1 111 say I could\nhave put another silver bag or two worth of trash\nin there by stuffing the lower part i f I had\nknown about it in the beginning.\nBut it didn't\nt ake us much past day 2 to realize that we had a\ntrash problem and we had to keep on top of it\nevery single day if we were going to ever have it\ncleaned up at t he end.\nAnd we were in good shape.\nWe were as clean as a whistle when we came in.\n..\nONFIBENi lAL" }, { "n": 163, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p163.jpg", "text": "158\n..\nFCSD REP\nHow about the power up?\nCooper\nI think that the power up went just r :Lght straight\nforward.\nConrad\nYessir, I've the checklist right here. Just like the\ninsertion checklist we went by the numbers and I actually\nmarked it off as we did it and you can see it right\nthere. I went through power off check off list and we\nwent right down the thing we had.\nOur checkoff list is\nwrong and we had changes in it right h,~re.\nWe had\nAttitude Indicator with FDI, Computer :?ower-ON, Computer\nto PRELADNCH, Platform- CAGE, Scanners :?RIMARY, Rate Gyros­\nON and it should read Attitude Indicator with FDI Rate\nGyros-ON, Computer in the PRELADNCH MO:)E, Computer\nPower-ON Platform, Scanner etc.\nCooper\nThe arrangement of it was wrong.\nConrad\nYes, the arrangement was wrong.\nBut w,~ did it just by\nthe numbers right here. And it was completely straight­\nforward. Interesting note on the Plat.form, we went for\nmany days with the platform powered do,.;n to that it\ngot as cold soaked as it was ever goi~~ to get and the\nplatform took the maximum time. Heat dxop out took\nexactly 25 minutes and then it was a l :L ttle slow coming\nin. On the cold starts it took 28 minutes to get the" }, { "n": 164, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p164.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n159\n€0NftDENTIAL\nattitude light. It took 3 minutes after the fast heat\ndrop out.\nAnd then I noticed after that was the first\ntime after we did that- powered it up two or three times\nwhy the platform came in at 25 minutes of a f ast heat\ndrop out.\nAnd then ;x~gat after that it would start to\ncage up and you' d get the Attitude Light on and you' d\nbe in business with the Platformt but that platform\nperformed beautifully.\nWell~ I might make just one remark on the platform.\nSome­\nthing that I thought was extremely interesting to me.\nPeople have talked about the bad platform drift and\neverything but we had one occasion we had our platform\npowered for some 18 or 20 hours.\nLet' s seet why did we do that?\nBecause they wanted us to-\nOh, it was after we tumbled up there with that OAMS\ncheck which they really didn't think out too well and\nthey thought we might lose our gas volume.\nWe were about to lose the gas volume by starting to\nvent again so they wanted us to power up, bring the\npower up to a pretty high level to keep below the\nvent pressure on the hydrogen.\nYes, to keep the platform warmed up incase we had to­" }, { "n": 165, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p165.jpg", "text": "160\nCooper\nSo they wanted to keep the platform warmed up also .\nSo we went for some approximately 20 hours with the\nplatform warm-running-up.\nConrad\nIn drifting flight .\nCooper\nIn drifting flight.\nSo what we did- we caged the\nplatform, brought it up to cage and the~ we just went\nto orbit rate. Left it in orbit rate and we caged it\nat a time when were just guessing pretty close to o7o1o\nand then went to orbit rate.\nSome 20 l'..ours later drifting\nall around,- tumbling all over the sky,-·all over t he\nplaces-\nConrad\nIt was amazing how close the pl atform 1,,as.\nCooper\nThe platform was almost right on what cur attitude was\nafter that many hours of orbital rate errors and drift\netc. etc. added in to there and it still was a good\nrelative attitude indicator I thought it was really good.\nConrad\nIn all three a.xis it stayed on.\nI was pretty surprised.\nCooper\nI really thought that was quite good.\nThat platform really\nbehaved well and it really took a l ot of abuse. Dif­\nferent times we powered it up- in drift- did all kinds\nof things. You couldn't have mistreated it more if\nyou tried. Alining the platform very straightforward.\nWe alined it in BEF. First of all, we went right to" }, { "n": 166, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p166.jpg", "text": "-,\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nour old platform position which was BEF and started\nright from there in lining in a fine line by BEF position\ngoing out just- lining from there and we found that\nwe had quite a yaw error in it. We noted that-\nThat showed up in roll real fast .\nSo we noted then that our yaw-what we figured was our\nyaw star one of them that we remember as our yaw star\nwas a little bit over to the right about 10 degrees.\nSo we just went to cage. Eased it over about 10 de­\ngrees, uncaged it in BEF and sure enough then we went\nto platform position in BEF showed the needles weren't\nvery far off. Right away they began to aline....\nvery closely and we had it alined very shortly.\nYes, I can't say too much for that star chart either,\nboy, it was real comforting to have those yaw stars\nand it turned out that Scorpio went right down the middle\nof the tube for us. We just always knew that we had\nthe platform in good alinement be for retrofire. We knew\nthat we were right on in yaw all the way down that line\nand we could just name the stars and we knew that they\nwere just going to come right down the middle by watching\nthem go and it worked real well.\nHow long did you aline the platform?" }, { "n": 167, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p167.jpg", "text": "162\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nFlDENTIA\nOne and a half orbits.\nWe really aline•d in about one\nand a half orbits.\nWe powered up two and one half and thei:. actually,\nwe were actual ly alining for about an crbit and a\nhalf before retrofire.\nAnd we were on all the aline­\nment and everything was done on the RCc system.\nHow about the preretro checklist?\nLet me say this on this alining.\nWe fcund t hat we\ncoul dn't even see any decrease at all jn RCS after an\norbit and a half. The way we were doirg this we were\ndoing it i n Horizon Scan BEF then using· the Rllse MJde\nin the H')rizon . Scan.\nTo really keep tl:.ose needles\nreal ly closely centered.\nNow, you can do the same\nthing in Tu.lse BEF, -but the Ibrizon Scan if you ne­\nglect it for just a minute, the lbrizon. Scan would\nhold it in there real closely and wouldn't let you\nwander off anywhere in pitch.\n00 F-t0E-N:f:t~L\n...." }, { "n": 168, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p168.jpg", "text": "Conr ad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nI can't sey too much f or that star chart either.\nBoy, it was real comforting to have those yaw stars,\nand it turned out that Scorpio went right down the\nmiddle of the tube f or us and we alweys knew that we\nhad the platform in good alinement before retrofire.\nWe knew we were right on in yaw al l the wey down the\nline, and we could just name the stars and knew that\nt hey were just going to come right down the middle\nof the pipe, and watch them go. It worked real well .\nHow long did you aline the platform for retrofire?\nWell, we really alined it about 1½ orbits.\n1\nWe powered up for~ and we actually were alining\nfor an orbit and a half before retrofire .\nAll the\nalinement and everything was done on the RCS system.\nLet me sey this on this alining.\nWe found that we\ncouldn\n1 t see any decrease at all in the RCS quantity\nafter an orbit and a half.\nWe were doing it in\nhorizon scan, BEF, and then using the pulse mode in\nthe horizon scan to give you the fine control within\nthe horizon scan to really keep the needles closely\ncentered.\nNow you can do the same thing just in pulse,\nbut if you neglect it for just a minute, the horizon\nscan would hold it in there real close .\nIt wouldn\n1 t\nL -­" }, { "n": 169, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p169.jpg", "text": "FCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nlet you wander off anywhere in pi tch and roll .\nYou\nhad to watch the yaw very carefully, of course, but\nyou could concentrate on doing other things for just\na few seconds time and you didn ' t get your errors\nbuilt up into it.\nYou still have the iulse correc­\ntion within the wider band of t he horizon scan.\nWe\nfound that little teensy little blips to make your\ncorrection\nand I don ' t think we were u:.:irig any\nfuel at all.\nDid you get any reading on how much yoi. did use?\nI checked this morning and it ' s not i n yet .\nI don ' t\nknow how much fuel .\nWe used Ring A sir.ce we powered\nit up at 2 orbits, over Carnarvon the first time .\nWhat I recall from the preretro checkl::.st - - it\ncommenced at Carnarvon one pass before reentry.\nIn\nother words, we went an orbit and a ha:.f on the RCS\nsystem -- Ring A.\nMost of that time wEi were alining.\nWe used dual ring RCS rate command for retrofire\nonly.\nThen we turned Ring B off and d:_d the whole\nreentry on ring A.\nPulse .\nYou operated Ring A all the way?\nThe last I saw of Ring A in the reentr;;r, down before" }, { "n": 170, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p170.jpg", "text": "we went to drogue chute out, I still couldn't see\nany decrease in Ring A.\nConrad\nWell, I'm not sure that Ring A wasn ' t out of fuel ,\nsomewhere around between 100 000 on down.\nBut the\nother ring wasn ' t .\nI know darn well it wasn't .\nCooper\nWhat do you mean it was? It wasn ' t out before we\nput the other ring in at all.\nConrad\nNo .\nI know it wasn ' t out before we put the other\nring in.\nCooper\nDid you take a look at it around 100 000?\nConrad\nYes.\nI know the thrusters were firing. It was\nfiring.\nCooper\nWell, the gauge indicated it still had all kinds of\nfuel lef t ir1 it just before 100 000.\nConrad\n!\nWell, thats regulated pressure .\nCooper\nYes , it ' s pressure .\nConrad\nIt's not going to tell you anything in the way of\nfuel usage.\nYou have to see source pressure to find\nout what -­ we don't have that .\nCooper\nWell , you would - -\nConrad\nI'm not sure that Ring A didn't run out of fuel, but\nif it did, it did it somewhere around the time we\nput the other ring on, because we never got any" }, { "n": 171, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p171.jpg", "text": "oscil lations or anything.\nThe rings were f iring -all\nthe time.\nCooper\nI ~ never was out of f uel before we put the other one\non, 1\n1 11 guarant ee .\nI know because I was sitting\nthere controlling with it and I know that we had\ncontrol .\nConrad\nI know that both thrusters were physically burning\ninside - - you know, the throats were burning when I\nshut the propellant off.\nIn other words, t he pro­\npellant was shut off and there was no fuel f low\ngoing to them, but both Ring A and Ring· B thrusters\nt hat I could see had throat f lames in them.\nCooper\nThat ' s just from residual fuel .\nConrad\nYes, that ' s what I mean.\nSo, I had the impression\nthat t hey r an al l the way down, and then i f Ring A\ndid run out of fuel at all , it did it a.t the very\nend, you know.\nI think that you ' ll find that there\nwas f uel in both RCS rings and there sr.ould have been\nplenty of RCS B fuel left , because we didn ' t even\nturn on RCS B until l ess than 70 000.\nWe wer e at\n50 because\nCooper\nYes.\nConrad\n- - Gordo put the drogue out instead of turning the\nring on.\n0Nft9ENTt'A~" }, { "n": 172, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p172.jpg", "text": "OONffl:)erqTfAL\nFCSD Rep\nWhy don't we pick up on page 26?\nCooper\nOkay ." }, { "n": 173, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p173.jpg", "text": "168\n5. 1 ~ -36 Events\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n•\n5.0\nRETROFIRE\nTR- 36\nTR-36 is not right.\nThere ' s no aft-f i rjng thrusters\nverification.\nThat ' s for OAMS .\nAnd thEre was no\nTR- 22 either because that was for OAMS , nor was there\na TR- 13 or 12.\nWhat we had was a TR- 27 clock set\nover Carnarvon.\nYou started your event t imer at TR- 27?\nThats\nI\nbecause we changed from 122- 1 to 121-1.\nWe\nwent r ight down the pre- retro checklist before that by\nthe numbers, and we had what we call a ~R-36 which\nwas nothing more than pick up the event timer.\nSo\nwe had the pre-retro checkli st complete before\nCarnarvon.\nThat ' s when t hey glitched us , and I\n1m\ngoing to complain about this one .\nWe had a valid\nload in the comput er and a valid TR when we left the\nStates on Rev 120, and I see absolutely no reason\nif those guys don ' t know what the heck our orbit is\naft er 120 of them up there, that they had to go\nahead and send a quick up- date over Carnarvon -­\nYes.\n-- I f elt that screwed us.\nI still want to know\nwhat happened." }, { "n": 174, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p174.jpg", "text": "~t0EN,-IAL\nCooper\nAnd we told McDivitt -­\nConrad\nWe didn ' t get a DCS light.\nCooper\nWe told McDivitt when we left Houston that everything\nI\nwas all square and that we re going to Reentry Mode\non the computer then.\nWe did, and then at Carnarvon\nthe CAP COM, before he even gave us a warning or\nasked us about anything or even checked to see what\nmode our computer was in, sent an up­ date.\nVery,\nvery poor.\nConrad\nHe said, \"I'm sending you a new load and a new TR.\nStand by.\" Boy, we were all over the thing trying to\nget it back to PRELAUNCH .\nI never got a DCS light\non either the TR or the load.\nI quizzed him and I\ntold him I didn't think the load went in.\nHe said,\n11No, the load was valid. \"\nWe r ead out a couple of\nI\ncores and checked TR , but I don t understand why we\ndidn't get a DCS light .\nNow I won ' t understand it\nbecause we should have gotten two DCS lights.\nCooper\nYes.\nOne for TR and one for - -\nConrad\nI didn't get one the first time when he sent the\nTR, and I didn ' t get one when he sent the load.\nWe\nwere in the process of switching the computer to\nPRELAUNCH, and I think the el ectrpns got lost in the\nshuffle there.\nI gather that they took the computer" }, { "n": 175, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p175.jpg", "text": "170\nONFl[;)ENTIAL\nout yesterday and that the load in it was valid.\nIt\n1 s\njust that they computed the wrong place to land, in\nHouston, and sent the wrong load, period.\nBoy, that\nwas a heck of a thing to do, and I really\nthat darn\nI\n1\nDCS!\nm going to do just what I said I was going to\ndo.\nI f I ever fly again, I ' m not going to fly with\nthat DCS circuit breaker on.\nThat ' s just exactly what\nI was afraid was going to happen, and they couldn ' t\nhave done it at a worse time in the flient .\nThey\njust absolutely couldn't have done it wcrse.\nThe\none thing that I had forgotten many times was putting\nthat computer from PRELAUNCH to REENTRY.\nI had it\nunderlined 50 times on the check- off liflt .\nI was\ngoing to make sure that it was in REENTI'.Y .\nWhen they\ntold me leaving the Cape we had a valid load and a\nvalid TR, I called McDivitt and I said ::\n1 m putting\nthe computer in REENTRY.\nThe next thin/~ is , at\nCarnarvon the guy should have seen on h:.s board that\nthe computer was in REENTRY and should have told me\ninstead of sending a load like he did.\nWe moved as\nf ast as we could when he said he was sending loads\nto put the darn thing back to PRELAUNCH .\nThat really\nscrewed us up and I\n1m really mad about that.\nThat ' s\nthe only gripe I have against them, but it's a major one." }, { "n": 176, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p176.jpg", "text": "=­\n171\nCooper\nYes.\nIt's major enought that , by golly , my recom­\nmendations exactly like Pete ' s .\nFrom now on my rec­\nomendation is\nConrad\nThat did it .\nCooper\n-­ that the DCS circuit breaker is left in the OFF\nposition.\nConrad\nYes.\nThe next time I ever go for the reentry and we\nput a valid load in the computer, I'm going to turn\nthe DCS off so they can ' t screw it up again without\nme turning it back on.\nCoop_er\nAbsolutely.\nTurn that circuit breaker to the OFF\nposition.\nConrad\nThat's right.\nI 'd rather miss a load and go with\nthe earlier one.\nI still can ' t believe that after\n120 orbits they didn't know exactly what our param­\neters were for orbit.\nI don't even know why they\nneeded that track over the United States the last\npass.\nThey 'd been tracking us all night long.\nThey'd been tracking us for 8 days, and they ought\nto know where the heck we were.\nIf they want to do\nit at the last minute, then let's plan on loading the\ncomputer at Carnarvon and not load the computer at\nthe Cape.\nThis loading it at the Cape and then chang­\ning it again at Carnarvon has got to go.\nGON.flDENTIAL" }, { "n": 177, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p177.jpg", "text": "172\nCet-ctftDEt~rrt~\nCooper\nAnd t hen saying this is your final load.\nVerify - ­\nConrad\nBad news.\nI 'm r eally mad about that !\nCooper\nThen unscheduled and everything else - -\nConrad\nI don ' t blame that guy at Carnarvon because he wasn ' t\nexpecting to send us a load either.\nI hlame Houston.\nHouston sent it down to them at the las·; minute ,\nobviously, and he was doi ng the best he could and\nhe got rushed.\nThe whole thing we wanted to do on\nreentry and the reason we stowed early md sat there\nwith nothing to do was to make sure that we were\nnever rushed.\nWe weren't until the guy sent that\nl oad.\nAnd there we were , 27 minutes fr:>m retrofire ,\nand I r eally wasn't convinced we had th~ right load\nin the computer even when we left Carnarvon.\nBoy,\nIIm really mad at that !\nCooper\nConrad\nI\nOkay. Ive got some recommendations.\nI think we\nought to rewrite our TR­ 256 check­off list because\nthere are too many things that happen en it at TR­ 5\nand TR­ 256.\nWe changed the procedure in f light\nI knew I was going to do it that way ar.yhow, in t hat\nI brought up the main batteries early.\nI brought\nthem on at 7 minutes.\nI verified the computer in" }, { "n": 178, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p178.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nConrad\n5. 3 T - 1\n-=-It-\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n173\nREENTRY again, of course, and squib batteries.\nWe\nwere already on the RCS system, so we didn\n1t have to\nbring-them on, but I did bring on the other ring at\nthat point.\nAt the 256, we wanted to go platform to\nORB RATE as late as possible, so we did that after\nwe got TR- 256 function light -- the attitude indicator\nlight -- and that showed we had all our clocks were\nin sync ..just perfectly.\nThere wasn I t a clock in the\nspacecraft that wasn' t in sync .\nThe TR was in sync\nwith the event timer and they were in sync with our\nback-up watches.\nThere was no doubt in our minds\nthat everything in the TRS system was working right\ndown the line and that we were working right down\nthe line.\nWe went to retro attitude punched the -­\nWent to retro attitude, set up the whole thing for •\nthe reentry, and at TR-1 -­\nTR- 1, SEP OAMS, SEP ELEC, SEP ADAP, four squibs on - ­\nAt TR- 30 seconds -­\nArm retro.\nWe already had that.\nI've al ways made it a procedure to arm auto- retro at\nTR- 5 seconds\nLet's see -- SEP OAMS , SEP ELEC, SEP ADAP -- we did a\nt0NilQE i\nL" }, { "n": 179, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p179.jpg", "text": "174\nCO~EIDENTI L\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\n5.4 T - 0\n=-R-\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConr ad\nLets\nI\nsee, retro rockets squib\nall four\narmed at TR- 3O, arm auto- retros at about TR- 5 seconds\nYes .\nTR- 5.\nAnd I absolutely positively go on record\nthat the manual retro-fire button was pushed, because\nI pushed it four times at one second ani the COMP\nl ight went green at -­\nOne second after auto?\nNo.\nOne second after the retros actuall y fired.\nAt TR- O' spacecraft attitude was right on the money.\nTher e were no rates.\nControl mode was dual RCS\nI've got a couple of comment s about the retros .\nThere ' s no doubt in my mind that the number 3 retro\nstopped firing at l east a half a second before the\nnumber 4 retro started t o fire.\nIt sure did.\nAnd there was another one in there -­\nThere was no overlap.\niI I m pretty sure that between the second and the\nl\nt hird, there was no overlap -­\nBetween 2 and 3.\n-- but they were much closer together than between\n3 and 4." }, { "n": 180, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p180.jpg", "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n.,\n175\nNumber 1 was firing and it was just tailing off when\nnumber 2 took in. It had the proper sequence on i t .\nNumber 2 had completely stopped and there was an\ninterval ther e of, it seemed like, several seconds.\nIt wasn\n1 t , but it seemed like there was a definite\ndistinct -­\nBetween 3 and 4 was the one that. really seemed l ike an\neternity.\nThere was a definite distinct separate interval\nthere where there was no firing going on.\nThen 3\nfired.\nThen there was an even longer interval in\nthere involved and then 4 fired.\nYes.\nThat was long enough between 3 and 4 for me to\nthink maybe the fourth one wasn ' t going to f ire at\nall.\nI think we ought to get some comments on the night\nOh, we weren ' t even aware of it .\nWe had the lights up bright in the cockpit -­\nWe went with the lights bright\nWe decided we ' d play it just like we did in the\nsimulator, just like we were going to be in the simu­\nlator, you know, with all the lights up br ight and not\neven worry about what was going on out the wi ndow.\nHowever, I did sneak a little peaky or t wo and you\nfJBfNIIAL" }, { "n": 181, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p181.jpg", "text": "G~El0ENTIAL\n,\nlook like you were sitting in the middl11 of a fire\nbarrel .\nBoy!\nWhen those retros go off , the whol e\nspacecraft ' s enveloped in flames\njus·; looks like\nthe whole place is burning all over bac:c there.\nThis flame comes all the way back over che spacecraft\nand all the way up -­\nConrad\nAt SEP OAMS , electr ic and adapter, though, we didn 't\nsee much of anything.\nCooper\nNo.\nI saw a flash at SEP ADAP.\nConrad\nI\nI saw a l ittle flash , but I thought maybe we d see a\nlot more f lashing- type f l ame .\nActual l y, no big prob-\nl em in that night retro, but I\n111 tell you one t hing,\nI\nyou re not ever going to do it out t he window.\nCooper\nYou ' re never going to see anything out the window in\na night retro.\nYou ' re just completely enveloped in\nf lames.\nConrad\nThose RCS ' s are firi ng away like mad and there ' s al l\nkind& of light outside and everything, so night r etr o\nis an instrument- type thing.\nCooper\nIt's purely instruments. If you don ' t have i nstru­\n1\nments, you re just not going to shoot :i. t .\nConrad\nBut otherwise , I don ' t think t here was any di fference .\nCooper\nNo .\nConrad\nWe were completely in the dark f or a l)ng time .\nWe" }, { "n": 182, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p182.jpg", "text": "177\ndidn't have a horizon for 5 minutes after retro-fire ,\nWe were in the middle of the United States bef ore we\nsaw the groU.Ll.d.\nCooper\nThe first place we saw was White Sands.\nConrad\nWhite Sands -­\nCooper\nJust past the terminator\nConrad\n-­ was the first place I saw when we CaJlle out of the\nterminator on the ground.\nOf course, by that time,\nwe had a sort of what you might call a discernable\nhorizon, but it was so fuzzy.\nThere is no such thing\nas a horizon at sunrise, looking the other way.\nI\nLooking 180 from the sun you re looking into a gray,\nblack, fuzzy -­ boy, there's no discernable horizon.\nYou ' re looking at the terminator. It's not a usable\nhorizon.\nI don't call it usable.\nWe were on gauges\nall the way and not until we got past the Mississippi\nRiver did we get what you would really call a horizon.\nThat's when the reentry started getting different than\nthe ones in the simulator.\nThe reentry was much dif­\nferent in ball attitudes, in that we were much steeper\non the ball. We were looking at more and more white\nthat I ever saw before.\nI was hard pressed -­ if we\ndidn't have the bank angle index on the ball you\ncouldn't tell what your bank angle was.\nf-lDEWJ~L" }, { "n": 183, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p183.jpg", "text": "178\n..\n€>MFl0ENflA~\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper ·\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nYes.\nThere was no horizon.\nThe black part of the ball was\ngone. It was gone for the rest of reentry.\nWe l ost\nit awful early.\nDo you remember a point, say 400 000 .feet, •:,at what\npitch angle you were on the ball?\n400 000 feet - - the trim hadn' t begun to affect you\ntoo much and Gordo was at about 30 degrees.\nAbout 30 degrees.\nYes.\nYes.\nBut he was still flying the spa~ecraft, just\nholding attitude there.\nOkay, how about when you hit the atmosphere?\n280 K.\nAt 280 K we were -­\nIt seemed to me that's when t hings started to steepen\nup.\nWe started to really trim up.\nWe were beginning\nto get g -­\nBy the time we got to 280 K, we were at about 50 degrees\npitch, roughly -- 50 or 60 degrees on t he ball.\nWe\nwere quite a way down.\nFrom there on, we were moving\n::\nright on around on the ball.\nWere you able after retrofire to roll i t up and put\nthe horizon on the top of the window and hold that?\nYes, on the ball, but we couldn't see t he horizon.\nFtOEM" }, { "n": 184, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p184.jpg", "text": "Conrad\nGCSD Fep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nL\n179\nYes, those lines were useless as far as the horizon\non it , because there wasn't any horizon out there.\nYou had to use the 8-ball entirely?\nYes.\nThat was a pure instrument retro.\nI\nI\nYou're darn right, boy.\n11 guarantee you anytime\nyou fire retros at night, you'd better have instru­\nments because you 're not going to have a visual out­\nthe-window, because those RCS thrusters out there\nwill just blind you.\nYes, and this t alking about doing this stuff on rate\nneedles and no ball and everything is a bunch of\nhog-wash.\nYou'd better have the whole panel.\nYou're darn right.\nOr you fire them in the daytime, with a good horizon.\nLet me see now.\nYou rolled it upside down, and what\ndid you hold? You held 20 degrees -­\n20,degrees until it st art ed trimming out.\nThen, I'd\n}\nswitch between rate and attitude.\nI ' d just hold that\nattitude and when I'd see a little tiny rat e creep\nin -- I was on single-ring pulse - - I'd just pulse that\nrate out.\nOf course, _: that was establishing my trim\n./\nangle right there.\nYou'd see it on the rate. You'd" }, { "n": 185, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p185.jpg", "text": "180\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConr ad\nC0oper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nsee the pitch rate needle start to mo're just a\nl ittle tiny bit.\nThat was showing you that you\nweren' t quite on trim.\nThen I'd tweek it and it\nwould sit right there, and it would just start trim­\nming itself out on the ball.\nWhen it trimmed out you damped the rates.\nYou were in\nsingle- ring di rect?\nWell , at 400 KI went to single- ring direct.\nYes, we were in pulse\nYes, single- ring pulse.\nSingle- r ing pulse to 400 K -­\nThen I went to RATE COMMAND on the attitude control\nselector and took the ACME RCS switch to direct -­\none to direct,! the other one was to off.\nThen I used ,\n)\nsingle- ring direct throughout the ree'.ltry, until\nvery late when the oscillations got so rapid that 1·\nhad to concentrate too much on them rather than the\nattitude .\nThen I went into ACME\njust put the\nRCS switch to ACME and then flew the attitude with\nthe stick and allowed the RCS to damp the oscillations.\nStill one ring?\nStill one ring.\nWe didn't go on dual- rings until below 70 000 feet ." }, { "n": 186, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p186.jpg", "text": "181\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCol').rad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nWe had the drogue out before we went on dual- rings.\nWas there any problem?\nThe thing was steady as a rock all the way.\nYes, it was beautiful.\nI ' ve been hearing 40-degree oscillations on the\ndrogue and all that sort of stuff.\nThe only\noscallations we had on the drogue were high­\n~requency low- amplitude oscillations, where the\ndrogue was stable, sitting above us steady as a rock,\npulsing longitudinally like this\nIt squidded super-sonically for we were about 112 -­\nAnd then the shrouds -­\nDid you hear about the Mercury tests where the drogue\nwas\na few times?\nThe shrouds on the spacecraft had a high frequency 1·ow\namplitude oscillation, but the nose was like 5 degrees,\nit seemed to me .\nIt ' s just surprising.\nWe were as\nsteady as a rock as far as I was concerned.\nWell, I think the whole\nThe oscillation was there, but I think the\nI think the whole retrofire and reentry is so much\neasier than Mercury that I can' t believe it. It is\nreally a piece of cake.\nL •" }, { "n": 187, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p187.jpg", "text": "182\nConrad\nAt 30 000 we shut off the propellant valves to the\nRCS.\nIt was still working away merrily there trying\nto steady it down on the drogue.\nAs :: ar as I know,\nthere was propellant in both Ring A and Ring B when\nwe shut them down.\n5. 5 1 Retropack Jettison\nCooper\nWe jettisoned the retropack right in retro attitude -­\nFCSD Rep\nYou didn't see the retropack burning up or anything?\nConrad\nYes, I saw it reenter behind us but nowhere near like\nthose guys did. It was miles behind us when I saw i t .\nCooper\nI thought I saw something way back thEire burning.\nI\nguess that was it.\nConrad\nYes.\nUp and on the left side of where? I was looking.\nI saw it burn up behind us.\nBut it was miles behind\nus by then.\nYou see, it had been chaf:ing us in the\ndark so we never did see it close up.\nWe never saw\nanything like pump packages blowing O\\;.t when we set\nthe retros.\n•" }, { "n": 188, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p188.jpg", "text": "183\n5.6 Communications\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nt1'EITTIA7: ~\nCommunications were good throughout the whole re­\nentry. We went into blackout right on time.\nRight on time.\nYes, just right on the second when they said we'd\ngo into blackout. We came out just exactly when\nthey said we would..\nThe only thing was, when they\nasked us what our over- shoot or under-shoot was\nI ' ll be dam if I could t ell them at that point.\nI sure as heck didn't know with this computer t ell­\ning us one thing and yet it not doing the right\nthing.\nWe'd better put the retrofire IVI readings in here .\n269 aft , 010 l eft , 181 down.\nAnd that comes out\namazingly close to a nominal combination.\nAs a\nmatter of fact, it shows that we should have had\nabout a 60 degree bank. angle, and if you compensate\nthe 6o degrees for the off- set it would have been\n54 or 53-­\nYes.\nAlmost completely nominal.\nI think this chart's a handy gouge . It agrees with\nwhat the ground gave us. We didn' t fly it, of\ncourse, We flew the computer, but-­" }, { "n": 189, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p189.jpg", "text": "184\nCooper\nWell, this is the bank angle we flew until we got\ncross, and down-range at 280K.\nConrad\nWe went from full lift at 400K to 53 degrees, which\nwas the given bank angle by the ground which we\nagreed to use. We went to 53 degrees until guidance\ncame in, and it came in at 280K.\nThe needle showed\nthat we were high. It showed that we were very\nhigh, that we were going to over­ sho,)t by a large\ndistance, and-­\nCooper\nThis is the first normal indication. The computer\nis supposed-­\nConrad\n· ·• do anything which is what you're supposed to do.\nWe sat there to watch the trend.\nNo,;hing happened.\nThe needle didn't come up off the peg.\nI looked\nat the high scale and it didn ' t look to me like the\nhigh scale was pegged out.\nCooper\nIt wasn ' t pegged.\nI went to the higl:. scale and it\nwas about half way down.\nConrad\nLess than half way down, indicating that we were\nup around a 75 mil e over-shoot, which just told me\nwe were humping a little bit to get down into the\ntarget.\nCooper\nRight.\nConrad\nAnd, in fact, at that time we were\nG>NFIIDENTIA" }, { "n": 190, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p190.jpg", "text": "185\n6NFIDENTIA[ .\nCooper\n•.•to get on down to it because it told me-­\nConrad\nWe were just sitting there waiting for the needle\nto come up like we had seen it do a million_.:t.ime\n-­\n-\n------­\nin the same situation. It never came off the peg.\nThen, we got in a little discussion, you know.\nI\nfel t that we ought to go to full lift because I\nthought something was wrong with guidance.\nGordo\nagreed that something was wrong with guidance but\nhe reall y t hought maybe we really had over­ shot.\nI'm sure the retros were on time and they were\nnominal , almost.\nSo , we finall y wound up going back\nto the nominal l ift vect or- -\nCooper\nI went back to the nominal bank angle, which we had\nagreed we ' d go to i f anything happened.\nWe had agreed\nwith FOD that if anything happened throughout re­\nentry--something was wrong with guidance-­\nConrad\nWe flew-­\nCooper\n--we would go back to the nominal bank angle, that\nwe wouldn't take any great abnormal- type situation.\nWe woul d go back to t he nominal bank angle, so that\nin the event they lost communication with us or\nsomething screwed completely up in the reentry,\nthey would know that we used as near as possible to\nthe nominal bank angle." }, { "n": 191, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p191.jpg", "text": "186\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nNow , what really hurt there though was that he\nsat there at the nominal bank angle of 53 degrees\n..\nuntil we got to, say, 2 1/2 g's , which is a fair\n.long time through the guidance... .\nWhen he elected\nto roll to the 90 degree bank angle, that' s when\nwe were getting the most lift. Boy, we dug in-­\nI 111 tell you we shot up there to 7 1/2 g ' s in\nnothing flat. It was at about that time that we\nrolled back out again, you see .\nWe 'd lost the main\nlift that we were going to get out of it, but, as\nit is, I don't think we did so badly ·Ninding up 83\nmiles short.\nI understand they were targeting\n240 miles short .\nThat's apparently what the load they had in the computer\nturned out to be--erroneously put in a.t 240 miles\nshort .\nYes , they were off by a factor of 240 miles .\nSo, if we had followed the computer e:icactly we'd\nhave been a lot further shorter than we were.\nFortunately, we recognized that somet:1ing was amiss.\nDid that down-range needle ever do an;rthing?\nNo, I don ' t think it moved at all,\nI don ' t think it ever really moved.\nI think one\ntime it moved a little, but I really don ' t think\nElQENllAt •" }, { "n": 192, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p192.jpg", "text": "187\nit moved much.\nConrad\nI think we were hoping to see it move, you know,\nbut it was just one of those- -that's a fast time\nsituation there, and it was jus~ one of those things\nwhere we made the right decision in the end to go\nback to the nominal bank angle. Everything in the\ncomputer indicated--the time to 400K and roll needle\ninitiate were within a second of one another. What\nthe ground gave us- ­\nCooper\nAnd the time to 290K was exactly right.\nConrad\nAnd 280K time, roughly as far as we knew and every­\nthing- -BANG!\nin comes the guidance initiate down­\nrange predict on the needles. Everything up to\nthat point--the computer had come on green, the\nIVI's read nominal, we saw the kind of thing we\nexpected to see.\nWe were completely suckered on\nthat, because the computer worked just like it was\nsupposed to-­\nCooper\nAnd the down- range needle indicated exactly what\nit always will do and exactly what we'd briefed\nwith FOD.\nThey had agreed that what we should see\non the computer is just about the maximum deflection\non the low scale when it first comes on.\nConrad\nAnd that's just what we got.\nO NEIDE~ JIAL,." }, { "n": 193, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p193.jpg", "text": "188\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nI\nBecause that ' s exactly the way things arE' all set\nup in the math flow.\nYou' 11 get that anc. then very\nshortly thereafter if you hold the nomim.l bank\nangle it will take a little bit of time End it will\nstart easing on up.\nAnd you ' ll get an idea by the rate of ea~ing up.\nIf you roll to the 90, of course, in thai position\nyou ' ll get to it in a big rush, but you \\\\-ant to be\ncareful not to overshoot.\nYou'll never get back.\nBut, then when I held the nominal bank angl e and\nit didn ' t come up and didn't come up, then I rolled\nto the 90 to see if I was going to be able to bring\nit up. Of course, by this time I realized that\nwhen I didn't see it come up something wa.s really\nwrong.\nI then went back to the nominal.\nFortunately,\nthat period that we held at the nominal is what\ncarried us down as near as it did.\nThe short period\nthat we were at 90, of course , is where ~e were\nreally digging in-­\nIt cost us 83 miles, probably, because I think if\n..\nwe had flown the nominal bank angle all the way that\nwe'd have really wound up real close to the darn\ncarrier." }, { "n": 194, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p194.jpg", "text": "---\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nWe'd probably wound up 45 miles from the carrier-­\nThat going to the 90 degrees for the time period\nthat we did cost us 80 something miles .\nOtherwise,\nwe flew the ~\nThe,.....wholy ning is if we hadn't tried following the\ncomputer we would never have known\n,,/\nYes, and I'll tell you one thing.\nI ' m still con­\nvinced right now sitting in this room that computer\nwill bring you right in to where you want to go if\nyou have the right load in it, because it just\\worked\nmagnificently. It came in just like it was supposed\nto and it did it on boost, too .\nI was really sold\non it. I think the computations in that computer\nare accurate enough for the kind of work that a guy\ncan do onboard the spacecraft, and··it ' s a darn fine\npiece of equipment and it was working well .\nWe're\nthe first ones to get a good look at 7 and it\nworked just l ike it was supposed to. If it had the\nparameters in it we'd have split the\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nship right up the middle .\nI think so. I think it's just a dirty shame.\nWhat was the cross- range needle doing?\nCross- range was showing that·we needed left bank in\nthere--that we needed to move to the left. In other" }, { "n": 195, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p195.jpg", "text": "/\n/\n190\nCooper\nCooper\n<;ONFtDENTIA[ .\nwords, you're flying opposite. You're flying your\nneedle to. In other words, you're flyir.g back\ncourse ILS on lateral and you're flying a standard\nILS on the glide slope--front course IL~,.\nThe\ncross-range needle was showing off to the right,\nwhich indicated that we needed to bank Jeft, which\nis exactly right , That's just exactly right. We\nhit 10 miles short. We never did get the cross­\nrange--cross-range was coming in--cross--range did\nmove in on us. Down-range, I don't believe, ever\nreally moved.\nCross-range did move in ~1ome on us,\nand that's when I went back to the nominal.\nI\nthought, well, we're past the time to rEiverse bank\nangle. Maybe I ought to roll right. So, I rolled\nover to the right side and said, no, by golly, I'm\nstill going to follow the cross- range. At least\nit's giving us the proper indications, l believe.\nSo, I rolled back in to the left bank, ,rhich was\nsmart because we still hit slightly to the right.\nWere we off to the north or the south, Pete?\nI had\nit all figured out one time.\nI don't really know Gordo.\nI didn ' t pa;i, any atten­\ntion to the cross-range needle.\nAnyway, the way I had it figured out here the other" }, { "n": 196, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p196.jpg", "text": "191\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nday the cross-range needle was indicating properly.\nThe down-range needle, when it came on, stayed in\nthe same place all the time--all the way through?\nYes.\nFull- scale.\nFull- scale.\nRight.\nJust about full-scale on the\nlow range.\nOkay.\nHow about any of the up-dating done during\nreentry?\nWe got all the times .\nWe got all the times just\nfine and I wrote them all down.\nThey gave us\nenter blackout at 16:14, out of blackout at 21:20,\nreverse bank at 19:25, bank left 54, and bank right\n68.\nThe drogue time was 22+05, and the main time\nwas 23+48 ,\nThey were all good times.\nI had them\nall written down.\nNo problem.\nThey got the up­\ndates in before blackout and in plenty of time be­\nfore blackout, as a matter of fact .\nWe whistled\nright in there. No sweat on the times .\nI guess\nmaybe we went to the 90 degree bank or something\nlike that, but from about the time of lg to the time\nof guidance locking out, which is roughly 100K and\nt he altimeter coming· off the peg, man, I don't\nknov whether it was just because we did it for real" }, { "n": 197, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p197.jpg", "text": "192\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n~hJEIDE~TlAL ..\nbut everything else worked like the Eimulator\ntimewise, but that time period seemed extremely\nshort to me in comparison to simul ator reentry.\nYes, it sure did to me.\nYes.\nNow we can go back and look at the times and\nsee what the actual times were to these-­\nMaybe just in real time- ­\nThis might have been the real- time case to make-­\nHow about the altimeter?\nIt worked very poorl y on lift-off. It had been\nvery jerky and jumped all around but it was smooth\nas a bell. Boy, it came off the peg. It locked\nup at 96 000. What was it? It did it in the alti­\ntude chamber.\n96 800 feet or something like that.\nIt didn't ever run to 100 000 and it never had.\nIt didn't do that in the altitude cha.rlber, and it\nquit where it always quit- -96 800.\nI t came off the\npeg smooth and just wound right on down.\nNo jump­\ning or jittering.\nIt was right with the barostats comine: down.\nYes, it was right with the barostats coming down.\nI called the altimeter off the peg to Gordo and he\nput the landing arm on, which was roushl y at" }, { "n": 198, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p198.jpg", "text": "193\n100 000.\nThen, I said, \"Stand by for 70 000.\"\nI was going to tell him to go attitude control RCS\nA and B to ACME , and he punched out the drogue.\nSo,\nwe qualified the drogue at 70 000, and then I got\nthe rate command, both rings on, and we were some­\nwhere below 70 000 when we put Ring Bon.\n~NFIE>EMTIAL" }, { "n": 199, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p199.jpg", "text": "194\n6.1 400K\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n6 . 0 REENTRY\nBy the time we hit 400K I was at fuL lift positi on\nfrom Retro Jett until there. Roll command gave a\nroll right and a roll command the bug just as it\nalways does.\nTime correlation was r t ght on the\nmoney.\n400K occurred right to the second when it\nwas supposed to.\nGuidance initiate e>ccurred just\nat 280K at exactly the right time anc. it indicated\nwe had a right .... the azimuth needle indicated\nright and the down range needle indicated full\nscale it was well up into the thing.\nI would sey\nmaybe half deflection.\nYes.\nThat was full scale.\nHigh sca]e was not - ­\nThe bank angle was 53 degrees left bank which was\nour nominal bank angle which I went to at guidance\ninitiate and held 53 degrees l eft.\n~he rool needle\nat this time the roll needle indicated off full\nright and vecy shortly thereafter then . . .. before\nI even got suspicious that we weren't getting down\non this , the roll needle then crossed over the\nmiddle position and held there indicati ng we had\nthe r ight bank angle there for a minute and then\ncrossed full scale over to t he other side . . . .\nOhJEIDENTIAL" }, { "n": 200, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p200.jpg", "text": "195\n<;GNFtf>EMftA1.\n,,\nwhich gave me one little old tweak of suspicion\nthere that something was wrong right there on the\nroll bug.\nAt that point then, I rolled 90 to see\nif I could get on that too, the down range needle.\nThe cross range needle moved in some from the right.\nIt had been out . . . not completely full scale, but\n'\nI\nquite a ways out. It moved in slightly but not\nmuch.\nDown range needle, let's see, I don't believe\nit ever moved up · from there on and then at that\npoint when I saw that the 90 wasn' t going to hold it\nin there, I said I was going back to the nominal\nbank angle. I went back t o the 53 but then put in\n60. . . . 67 degrees bank right, to see if I can get the\nroll bug to change . It didn ' t change at that time\nso cross range was still indicating that I should\nbe banked left so I went back to my bank left to\nsee if I can kill off the cross range.\nI knew at\nthat point that something was really seriously\n-\n0llgand I was just trying to hold it as nominal\nas possible.\nI shoul d have probably at that time\nsince I was already passed the time of reverse bank\nangle, I probably shoul d have gone ahead and hel d\nthat, but that was a mistake, I probably should have\ngone ahead and held that 67 degrees bank right, and\n•" }, { "n": 201, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p201.jpg", "text": "196\nGNr;l0ENTIA~\nheld that on in. It probably would have corrected\nus out a little better cross- range-wise, but the\nperiod of time that we were at 90 degrees\ntrying\nto get the glide slope, to get onto the glide slope\nthere, is what cost us that 86 miles. Had we held\nthe nominal bank angle all the way ani ignored the\ncomputer, I think we would have hit v3ry, very near\nthe carrier. But, we ... .at least we 1save the com­\nputer a try. I think that if it had had the right\nvalues loaded in it, I think it would have done\nvery well by us .\nThe spacecraft behaved very well .\nIonization, we got into that ionic layer. After\nthe 280K point, we began -to really ionize quite a\nbit and got into a typical fire ball E•ffect back\nthere although it didn ' t seem to me l1ke it was\nas much of a fire ball effect in this as it was in\nMercury. It seemed a lot less .\n6.2 Acceleration Profile\nCooper\nAcceleration profile, I noted the g ' s very early be­\nf ore we got the 2g's on .\nI noted the g' s felt\npretty strong in there.\nI could feel them fairly\nsevere now.\nI never felt at all from there on.\nI\nnever even felt like we had any amount of g's on\nus until I noted we had seven and a ha:.f and I could\n~0MFl0EI\\JTIAL •" }, { "n": 202, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p202.jpg", "text": "ONFIDEITTIAL 4\n197\nhardly believe it. So, I didn't have any trouble\ncontrolling or... I just didn't think about having\nf\nj\nI\nI\nit on there. Pete noticed the g's more t han I did\nbecause he wasn' t as busy, I guess, as I was.\n6.3 Spacecraft Control\nCooper\nSpacecraft control was beautiful.\nThere was no\nproblem at all. I was on single ring DIRECT and\nthen had gone fairly late down in the guidance\nprogram there when the oscillations got to be often\nenough in there that it was taking a little concen­\ntration to damp the oscillations as well as to watch\nthe guidance.\nI just went over the single ring\nACME or RATE COMMAND ACME and let the RATE COMMAND\ndamp the oscillations and I was doing the steering,\nwith the RATE COMMAND also. Still single ring.\n6.4 100K Feet\nCooper\nLet ' s see, at a 100K the altimeter ca.me off the peg\nvery shortly thereafter.\nI was going to arm both\nRCS rings, bringing on ring B to ACME .at 70K and\ninstead I deliberately, calmly, cooly, and del ibera­\ntely deployed the drogue chutes .\nAnd it worked\nbeautifully. Most stable drogue chute I ever saw.\nIt squidde~ just like a supersonic drogue test that\nwere done in Mercury that I saw.\nIn fact, 70 was" }, { "n": 203, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p203.jpg", "text": "198\n6.5\n50K Feet\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nthe point where he put the Mercury d:t'ogue out. It\nsquidded a couple of times very nicely and stabilized\nout and was just beautiful . . . .We nev,3r had any\noscillations on it or anything. It was just as\nnice as it could be.\nBy 50K we had both RCS rings .ON, jus·: letting them\nfeed on out and then were blipping away out there\nand the spacecraft just came right s1;raight down.\nNo oscillation or anything.\nWhat kind of oscillation on drogue dnployment . . . .\nwhat would you estimate the\nI don 1·t think we had any at all .\nI c.on' t think we\nhad a single oscillation real ly, wher. we deployed\nthe drogue, do you?\nOh yeah. It oscillated but the . . . . . it was sort\nof high frequency and low amplitude .\nThat's just what I say.\nI mean it was just kind\nof like.. . ..It was just kind of like -- a little\nquiver on the line. Like when you pluck a bow\nstring, you know, the string . . .. the spacecraft\nwould kind of go like this but not any- amount\nof -­\nThese guys were talking about 40 degr3e yaw angles\nConrad" }, { "n": 204, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p204.jpg", "text": "Cooper\n,.\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n199\nand stuff like -- Nothing like that.\nI bet you couldn't make it any more than 2 or 3\nor 4 degrees.\nYes , I would say 5 at the most.\nNow I don't have\nany horizon or anything to reference this to.\nAll\nI ' m doing is watching the drogue.\nBut I didn' t\nhave any physical sensations, or -­\nThere were no physical sensations of any kind of\noscillations.\nThe frequency was too high to ever get any amplitudes\nthat big. We were just sitting there and the drogue\nlooked steady to me , see, and all I could see was\nthe nose and the shrouds zacking back and forth like\nthat.\nOb, sort of around, and, you know.\nThey were\nboth at pitch and yaw.. .but I felt comfortable all\nthe time .\nI didn't have any idea that we were\nreally going to -­\nIt was well stabilized. Stable as a rock\nNow, I'll tell you that RCS was really working.\nNow, we were in RATE COMMAND not REENTRY RATE COM­\nMAND, we were in RATE COMMAND.\nSo, it would .\nI\nmean, it was firing full time.\nYes, it was really working.\nWe were outside the rate command bands ." }, { "n": 205, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p205.jpg", "text": "200\nCQNFIDENTiAL\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nYou don ' t use the reentry command?\nHeck no!\nNo, no that's useless .\nWe had fuel up the kazoo.\nWe had all kinds of fuel .\nWe figured to just go\ninto RATE COMMAND.\nThat' s exactly what -­\nto see how smooth a reentry you could make .\nThe only thing we deviated from our very carefully\ncalculated preflight plan was that I , instead of\ngoing to dual ring RCS, I put the drog~e out at\n70K.\nWe just had that step backwards betwee:1 50 and 70K.\nThere must be a hold over from Mercury there some­\nwhere, too, still getting to me .\nOkay, now the next most important thing was that at\n50 000 or shortly thereafter, we went ·;o repress .\nGordo turned on the REPRESS and I hit ·;he o2 HIGH\nRATE , and as we planned you know, we wHr e not going\nto vent the cabin or open the inlet snorkel , and\nman , going through 27 000 feet that neEidle hit zero\nfaster than you can say \"Jack Robinson.\" That\ncabin came down from 5 paid to nothing and I said\n\"Holy Christmas\" ; it came down so fast t hat I was\nreally humping to get the ... . . I wanted to get the" }, { "n": 206, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p206.jpg", "text": "201\n,.\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCQnrad\nCooper\nll'\nvent open and I opened the vent and opened the in­\nlet snorkel and set the recirc at 45 degrees in\npretty fast order. But, all the fancy calculations\nby the ECS people are dead wrong, because there\nisn' t enough in that repress or the o2 HIGH RATE\nto keep up with that differential drop off.\nWe\ngot fumes too, but not many.\nBoy, I dind't think they were hardly noticeable,\nat all.\nIt was noticeable .\nJust a musty smell,\nBut it was noticeable . I 'm suxe\nthe o2 HIGH RATE and the REPRESS\nit helped to have\non all the way down.\nBut then the one thing that we did do then at 2000.\nWe closed it back up.\nClosed it back up and left\nt he REPRESS and o2 HIGH RATE on, so that I expect\nthat we had a little bit of delta pressuxe in the\ncabin when we touched.\nOh, we did.\nWe had about a pound.\nIt was very\nsl owly coming up.\nIt was up .....\nWe had about a pound.\nNow I think this kept a l ot of the fumes out." }, { "n": 207, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p207.jpg", "text": "202\n'\"\nConrad\nThen we sat there in the water, very leisurely. It\nwas still building up.\nI went and cy~led the o2\nHIGH RATE handle OFF.\n..\n6.6 35K Checklist Items\nConrad\n6.7 Communications\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n6.8 10,6K Barostat\nCooper\nBefore you leave that let's just say that at\n35 000 feet for the check off list we uncovered\nour D-rings. At 30 000 feet we turneci off the RCS\npropellant A and Band they ran out\nI shortly there­\nafter.\nWe\nWe . . . communicated with the recovery forces .\nTal ked\nto them at that point twice on the wa;)' down and they\nasked us for a short count.\nWe gave this here.\nWe gave this a short count,\nreading you loud and clear. \"\nat 270 degrees at .....\n289, I think i t was.\nThey sai6. \"Roger,\nand they had us fixed\n289, was it? Well, some .... ,I know you had a degree\nand a bearing and a range on us at that point,\nWe managed to get all the way through our post main\ncheck off list, too,\nThen at . . ...the barost at came on, deployed the" }, { "n": 208, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p208.jpg", "text": "203\nCQNf;Ur>ENTI~[\n•\ndrogue just as the barostat came on. It came on\nright at 10.6, right on the money.\nI punched the\nmain, deployed the main just as the barostat came\non.\nAs we have already said, the main deployed.....\nConrad\nThere seemed like an awful long time to me though\nfrom the time you punched the main for it to go\nthrough the sequence. It seemed like an eternity\nfor the Rand R can to blow.\nCooper\nWell , you could see the sequence going on out there,\nall this thing trundling out and all the long lines\ngoing out, and all the sequence happening, and then\nthe main coming out .\nConrad\nIt was really pretty though.\nCooper\nWell, I guess I was anticipating.\nConrad\nIt was just like in that picture.\nCooper\nYou see all this stuff coming out, you know, that\ndrawing where it shows all the cy~les of the stuff\ncoming out. Just like advertised.\n6.9 Main Chute Deployment\nCooper\nWe reported when we had a drogue, when we had a good\nmain. The main came out nominally.\nDe- reefed ex­\nactly on time .... .\nConrad\nBeautiful thing.\nNo gores out, no nothing, rips or\nanything, nothing. It was just nominal all the way.\ntG©Nft0ENltAL\n4" }, { "n": 209, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p209.jpg", "text": "204\nCooper\nIt was a real pretty main, and we wer,~ very stable\non the main.\nWe weren't oscillating a.t all , I mean\nobviously. It looked like we were ju:3t coming\nstraight down.\nConrad\nYes, the whole thing damped out.\nThat is another\nreason the water landing was so smooth.\nCooper\nAnd when we touched in the water, as :: said, we\nwent to the 2000, we went to -­\n6.10 Single Point Release\nFCSD Rep\nOkay, single point release.\nHow about that?\nCooper\nSingle point release. It ' s there .\nI mean it's\nreally a jolt when you go to single point release,\nbut being aware of it we were both brc,ced like this\nwhen I hit it, it oscillated us a couple of t imes\nand then that is all there is to it .\nConrad\nYou hit the end of the strap and then you see-saw\na couple of oscillations .\nThat 's exactly what it\nfelt like.... .\nCooper\nAs long as you lmow what to expect there is no prob­\nlem.\nI can see why Gus and John woul d lmock the\nheck out of themselves .\nConrad\nNot expecting it.\n6.11 Blood Pressure Measurements\nCooper\nOkay, we gave a blood pressure at Guaymas after\nr etrofire and I told them I wouldn' t put the programer\nO~F-IDENT.IA" }, { "n": 210, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p210.jpg", "text": "205\nGGNFIDEf';ITIAL\nON until we were on the water and I gave them three\n,.\nblood pressures and I don ' t think a:ny of them worked,\nI don't think the bowl bled down.\n6.12 Post-Main Checklist Items\nFCSD REP\nOkay, we g-ot the rescue beacon without lights and\nthe suit fans and ACME BIAS power OFF.\nThis is\npost main check list and landing attitudes.\n.,.\nE@N~IDENTIAL" }, { "n": 211, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p211.jpg", "text": "206\n7,1 Impact\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n~GNFl&ENTIAf\n,\n7,0\nLANDING AND RECOVERY\nImpact, was very very soft.\nWe just hit.\nWe hit\nvery easy.\nWe didn't go under water at all .\nWe\ndidn' t change attitude one bit from t he time we\nhit the water.\nWe went bloop.\nWe just pitched down a little bit\nThe nose pitched down 8 or 10 degrees but the water\ndidn't even come over the windows.\nlhe main hit\nparachute release, the chute drifted off in front\njust slightly out to the right of us md just sat\nout there in the water on the right fJr a long\ntime.\nWe did skip this one thing here with this 6. 13\npost main check off list .\nWe got all the way\nthrough that and I wanted to say that I had the\ndecided impression that we got to the post main and\ngot back over here on this 2000 foot check list\npretty fast.\nI mean that time happene,d faster than\nthe simula tor but it took us a little while to get\nour heads unlocked, and after we went to 2-point\nand get back on this check- off list, and boy, we\nhadn ' t a:n:y more gotten through this when we were\n..\n•\n0NFIBENTIAL" }, { "n": 212, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p212.jpg", "text": "201\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nG0NFIDEI\\ITIAL\nover there to the 2000 Kand I was . . ..\nOne thing that took a little bit of our time\nthere though, Pete , was the fact that the AIR\nBOSS called us twice there and we were actually\nbusy answering that.\nWe were talking on the radio and a little talking\nto Houston on the radio too.\nWhy don't you talk a little bit more about the\n2000 foot that pressurized in the cabin.\nYes, well then we went the D-ring safety cover.\nWe covered our D- rings but I can't put my D- ring\npin in so I didn ' t put the pin in until we were on\nthe water.\nI can't put that pin in, in flight,\nstrappen in the seat.\nI can't reach down there.\nGordo, can. 'Gordo can reach down and get it. I\ncan't do it. So, I didn't put mine in. Then I\nwent to cabin vent UP and inlet snorkel UP and then\nleft the recirc valve at 45 degrees, and of course\nthe repress had been on since 50,000. So had the\no HIGH RATE, or some altitude shortly thereafter.\n2\nThe cabin seemed to be coming up very slowly. It\ndoesn't even with repress on.\nThat's a, I guess,\na lot of volume in there or something, but it just\ndoesn' t come up fast.\nSo we were about a pound when\nCONFtDENTIAL" }, { "n": 213, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p213.jpg", "text": "208\nCONEIDENJIAl\nF'CSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nwe landed.\nNever got over a pound?\nNever got over a pound I don ' t believe.\nThen we ca.me OFF on the repress and we opened\n..\nour face plates,\nThen we opened our face plates and tcok a sniff in\nthere. It didn't smell to bad.\nI had a little\nsmell of RCS fumes.\nNow mind you we were sealed\noff at 2000 so I know it didn't come in on the\nwater.\nThe RCS fumes that were in there came in\nthere at 27000 when we opened the vent and the\ninlet snorkel so I 'm stil l -- if the structure\nwould take jt, I really think you should come in\nand leave that inlet snorkel and that vent\nclosed. If you did that you would ha-re a clean,\ncold cabin when you.hit the water.\nOkay, now.\nI didn't really think it was as object ionable.\nNo, it wasn't objectionable.\nIt was cool.\nOne thing we might add ,:ight here\nright now, that we didn ' t cover back :.n the pre­\nretro area was trat we went the full cold on\neverythi ng.\nWe had that cabin so cold, and we went\nto cabin fan and so that the cagin wae1 about, what ,\n40 degrees, 50 degrees." }, { "n": 214, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p214.jpg", "text": "209\nG0MFIDENTIAL\nConrad\nNo , the cabin was about 53 degrees.\nSomewhere in\nthere. It was a little over 50, and the suit was\nrll!llling\nCooper\nThe sui t was rll!llling about 50 on reentry so the\nwhole thing was pretty cool.\nConrad\nIt was never hot at any time.\nCooper\nWhen we opened our face plates the cabin was still\ncool, the suits were still cool , and the snorkel\nand vent when we did open them and both fans came\non after we went OFF of o\nHIGH RATE, Repress and\n2\nboth fans came on.\nWe were getting nice cool air\nthrough . .. .\nYes, we have been hearing everybody\nsay, you know, boy you've got to get those suits\noff, you really get hot in there.\nYou see and Gordo\nsaid \"Well come on we are going to be here for\nawhile, we'll get the suits off\" and it was\nperfectly obvious that we were getting a good flow\nand I said \"Well, why don ' t we put our neck dams, on\nand we ' ll leave the inlet snorkel open here and\nget this fans running and see, just see ,\njust sit\nhere for a second, because you get awful hot\ngetting out of the suit period.\nAnd by golly\nwe were in good shape.\nWe could have stayed in tlut" }, { "n": 215, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p215.jpg", "text": "210\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n7. 2 Checklist s\nCooper\nspacecraft 2, 3 hours. As a matter o.f fact the\nlonger we stayed\n•.the cooler we wi~re getting\nbecause we were just sitting back letting -­\n..\nWe really debated seriously about wait ing if the\ncarrier had been an hour or so nearer we would have\nwaited for a carrier pick up rather than go with\nthe choppers.\nBecause we werei in good shape in theriuand we\ndidn't feel bad and the smells weren't bad and what\nlittle RCS fumes where in there from picking them\nup at 27000 went right out.\nOf course we had -- let's f ace it thotgh, we had an\nideal day on the water. It was like a. mill pond\nout on the water. It was nice and smcoth and sunny\nand everything was in good shape, witb t he space­\ncraft.\nI t was early in the morning and the air was about\n80 degrees - air t hat it was pulling in the air­\ncraft pumping in our· suits, see. But we were in\ngood shape.\nCheck list.\nI thought our check lists were very\ngood with a few minor things we have m,~ntioned\nCONFIDENTIAL" }, { "n": 216, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p216.jpg", "text": "211\ntfYENifP!\n7,3 Communications\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nhere that we might .. . we would suggest ma;ybe\nreshuffling a little there.\nThe communications were excellent all the way, all\nthe way down until impact and from there on we\nwere hearing everybody in the whole darn world but\nnobody apparently was hearing us.\nNow, Houston read us twice on the water, but ....\nHouston read us twice.\nWe transmitted both on UHF and we transmitted on\nHF.\nOur HF antenna never did extend on the water.\nThey\ndon't lmow whats wrong with it at this point, but\nwe went through the right procedures several times\nof extending it.\nPoint: · of impact, we found out\nfairly shortly what our point of impace was by\nhearing the discussion in the air on where it was.\nStatus of recovery.\nWe were kept well informed of\nthat because our radio receivers were working fine .\n7,4 Systems Configuration\nCooper\nSystems configuration,ECS was excellent.\nNo\nprobl em at all.\nElectrical was good, control was\ngood, aeromedical - - what does aeromedical have to" }, { "n": 217, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p217.jpg", "text": "212\ndo with it here?\nFCSD REP\nBiomed records and all that stuff.\nCooper\nThe gear worked.\nThe one thing was, the blood\npressure bulb wouldn ' t bleed down and Pete never\ncould get a proper blood pressure there when on\nthe water.\nConrad\nI took the bulb up to the helicopter .md gave it to\nthe doctor and told him to check it right away and\nfind out what happened because it wor:£ed fine all\nflight.\n7.5 Spacecraft Status\nCooper\nSpacecraft status.\nThere was a faint odor of fumes\nin there but I didn't personally cons:Lder them\nobjectionable at all.\nConrad\nIt cleared out once we got the fans running.\nCooper\nMa.in chute was excellent.\nThe windowii - - visibility\nwas doggone good out the windows . .. ue were fogged\nover just a little bit.\nConrad\nThey steamed up a little bit. I coulc. see out of\nt hem all right and could see the airplanes flying\noverhead.\nCooper\nThey steamed up a little bit. After ~-e sat there\n,.\nthey steamed up more than they were when we first\nlanded and they . . but we could see outside very\nNFIDENTIAL" }, { "n": 218, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p218.jpg", "text": "213\nC0~61DENTIA~\nwell and I guess the guy outside probably couldn't\n.,.\nsee in as well as we could see out.\nThey were\nfogged a little. There were no l ea.ks that we could\ntell. Electrical Power, everything was nominal .\no2 was fine.\nConrad\nElectrical power, we,we, we, did not power .down the\nsquib betteries after we got on the water and we\nwent through the landing check list and powered\ndown all electrical equipment except the radios and\nthe beacons and a biomed recorders and the blood\npressure.\nCooper\nWe took a complete power down check list. We\nfollowed check list right on the money.\nSea condition\nwas 2 to 3 foot easy swells.\n7.6 Post Landing Activity\nCooper\nPost landing activities.\nLet's see, we proceeded\nto continue to try and contact and answer somebody.\nWe heard all the activity around and over and\naround us.\nThe firs't thing we finatly heard in the way\nof communications was when one of the swimmers\nplugged in this outside phone jack and talked\nto us. He wasn't r eal clear but he was coming\nthrough pretty well.\nHe wanted to know if we\n,," }, { "n": 219, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p219.jpg", "text": "214\nC..ONFIB~Nft~t\nwanted to wait on the carrier or if we wanted a\nchopper pick up.\nI asked him how fal' the carrier\nwas away and he went ahead and told t:.s about 75\nmiles at that time.\nWe told him we relieved we\nwanted to take the choppers.\n7.7 Comfort\nCooper\nComfort was fine in the spacecraft.\nEDSD REP\nHow long were you in the spacecraft in your suit?\nConrad\n35, 40 minutes .\nCooper\nAbout 35 or 40 minutes I . . . Maybe a little bit\nmore.\n7. 8 Recovery Force Personnel\nCooper\nRecovery f orce personnel and communications .\nAs I\nsay they did communicate with us with the telephone.\nFirst of all one of the swimmers came up and looked\nin the window and held up his thumb and we held up\nour thumbs okay, so that took the sweE.t off them.\nFloatation collar, they had slightly more trouble than\nusually getting it around but not a great deal. It\nprobably took th~m maybe 10 or 15 minutEtS to get it\naround there and inflated.\n7.9 Egress\nCooper\nRight after they got it inflated we told them we\nwere coming out for the chopper.\nI opened the left\n--~\nONF-IDENTIAL" }, { "n": 220, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p220.jpg", "text": "215\nCONFIDEf\\lTIAL\n7.10 Survival Gear\nCooper\n7,11 Crew Pick Up\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nside hatch.\nWe did have our . • • we saw that they\nhad the floatation collar around there and the sea\nwas calm and there was no problem getting any\nwater in the spacecraft and we decided we weren't\ngoing to go in the water ourselves .\nWe did have\nour neck \"'1ams on but we did not have our gloves\non.\nWe left our helmet and gloves in the cock­\npit and decided well if we did go in the water for\nunforecast reason we had our water wings and our\nwrists are tight enough to hold your arms above\nwater and not get much in.\nSo, we didn ' t fiddle with any survival gear or\nanything.\nWe just stood out on the nose of the spacecraft.\nIn fact .•• then I moved from the nose over into\none of the liftrafts. Pete came up out of the\nhatch and stood on the nose and he took the first\n. . . horse co~lar came around.\nHe got the ho~se\ncollar and went up to the chopper first and they\nlowered it again and I went in behind him.\nOh, one thing we didn ' t mention here.\nHow about\ncutting the chute, the main chute?\nCONFIDENTIAL" }, { "n": 221, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p221.jpg", "text": "216\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nRCSD REP\nOh, you mean jettison? Gordo jettisoned about 1\nsecond after we touched down.\nAbout 1 second: after we landed I hit Hand away\nit went.\nIt sat right there beside us and float ed around for\nquite a while.\nIt sat there about 30 yards off to the• f ront and\nslightly to one side of us.\nOkay." }, { "n": 222, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p222.jpg", "text": "_,.,\n✓\n10\ncJ\nZS'\n33\n.7~\n38\n44- ~\n5:,- ~\nS7\n7 Z,\n;eteP S~P\n8 1" }, { "n": 223, "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d019/p223.jpg", "text": "\\" } ] }