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 "slug": "nasa-uap-d020",
 "title": "NASA-UAP-D020 Gemini-5-Technical-Debriefing Part2 1965",
 "agency": "NASA",
 "year": "1965",
 "page_count": 325,
 "source_page": "https://wearenotalone.space/document/nasa-uap-d020/",
 "original_file": "https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/061226/release_03/documents/NASA-UAP-D020_Gemini-5-Technical-Debriefing_Part2_1965.pdf",
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   "text": "22\nAuthority:\nNW 91526\nGEMINI V\nj\nTechnical Debriefing\nPart ~I_I__________________\nCLASSIFICAT:ON CHANGE\no_\n----.......,,_~\ns:..;;...:1:...::...,::.1-=-=\nc L~A\no_~\ns\nF\nE\nBy authority of • o\nI G !>- .2.\n-/ - ? \"'t..\nChanied by C'~ ~\n, Date NOV 2 0\nNOTICE: This document may be exempt from\npublic disclosure under the Freedom of Infor­\nmation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its re­\nlease to persons outside the U. S. Government\nshould be handled under the provisions of\nNASA Policy Directive 1382.2.\nTHIS MATE ,-IAL CONTA INS INF09'MATION AFl\"£CT ING\nTHE NATION\"L\nDE FENSE OF TH t:\nU NITED STATES\nW ITHI N\nTHE MEANING OF TH£ ESPIONAGE LAWS . .\nTITLE 18. U .S.C. SECTION 793 AND n• . THE T9'ANS­\nMISS ION OR REVELATION OF WH ICH\nIN \"NY M\"NNIEl'I\nTO AN U N ....UTHORIZ£D P'E ASON IS PIIOHIB ITE D BY LAW.\nGROUP 4\nDOWNGRADED A T J YEAR I N TF RVALS\nCECLASS IFIEO AFT£9'\n12 YE...,,-5\n973\nl"
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   "text": "COt~FIDEt~TIAL\nPRELIMINARY\nGT- 5 FLIGHT CREW DEBRIEFING TRANSCRIPT\nPART II\nPrepared By\nSpacecraft Operations Branch\nFlight Crew Support Division\nSeptember 2, 1965\nThis material contains information affecting the\nnational defense of the United States within the\nmeaning of the Espionage Laws, Title 18.\nU.S. C.\nSection 793 and 794, the transmission or revela­\ntion of which in any manner to an unauthorized\nperson is prohibited by law.\nGroup 4:\nDowngrade at 3 year intervals\nDeclassified after 12 years\nco~~FIDEt'4TIAL"
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   "text": "('\nPREFACE\nThis preliminary transcript was made from voice tape recordings\nof the GT- 5 flight crew debriefing conducted August 30, 1965 thru\nSeptember 2, 1965 at the Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida .\nAlthough all the material contained in this transcript has been\nedited , the urgent need for the preliminary transcript by mission\nanalysis personnel precluded a thorough editorial review prior to its\npublication. Errors in this transcript will be corrected as soon as\npossible and an official transcript will be published at a later date.\nThis document contai ns a transcript of the second part of the\ntotal debriefing.\nA prel iminary transcript of the first part was\npubli shed on September 1, 1965 , and it contains the crew' s description\nof the mission from an operati onal standpoint."
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   "text": ";CAts4flOEt!!IIAb\nTABLE OF CONTENTS\nParagraph\nPage number\n8.0\nSYSTEMS OPERATION\n8. 1\nPla t f o:rm. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • . . . . • • 1\n8. 2\nO.AMS •• ..... . ....... . . . ......... . . . .....• .. •. •• ••••• 16\n8. 3\nRCS •....... . .. • ....•..... . . •. .••. .. .... . • .•••••• • • • 47\n8.4\nEnvironment al Control System ·•· •·• ··•·••· · ··•••••• • 54\n8, 5\nComm.1.lllications .... . . .. ............... . .. . ...••••••• 66\n8. 6\nElectrical System ... . ... . ......................... . 80\n8. 7\nComputer ..... . .. . ... ... ......... . ........ . .. . . . ... . 82\n8. 8\nCr ew Station ....................................... 90\n9,0\nOPERATIONAL CHECKS\n9.1\nApollo Landmark Identification • ••• •·••·••·•••• ••• · 132\n9. 2\nCabin Lighting Survey . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • . . . . • . • . • • 146\n9. 3\nSPADATS Tracking Check . .. . .. . .. . . .. . . . . .. •.. • • . . .. 147\n9.4\nUHF Antenna Pattern Test ..... .. . .. .. . .....••.•.••. 147\n9. 5\nThruster Illuminat ion Checks ........... . . •....•••• 148\n9. 6\nDual Command Transmitter Test ....... . .. .... ...••• • 148\n9. 7\nRadar Test s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • . • • . 148\n9. 8\nID1 Evallla. tion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • • . • . 150\n10. 0 VISUAL SIGHTINGS\n10. 1\nPowered Fl ight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 152\n10. 2 Orbital Flight ...... . ... . ....... . .... .. ....•• . .• . . 153\n10. 3 Reentcy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 172\n11.0 EXPERIMENTS\n11.1 Visual Definition of Celesti al Objects (D- 1) ,\nNearby Object Photography (D- 2) , and Terrest rial\nFeatures (D- 6) ••···· • ·•·• •· ··• · • •• · • · ··• •••• •• •• • · 210\n11. 2 Cel estial , Space and Terrestrial Radiometry ..•.••• 222\n11. 3 Synoptic Ter rain (S- 5) and Weather (S- 6)\n.\nJ?rl.otography . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . • . . . • • • • • • • • 228\n11.4 Visual Acuity and Astronaut Visibi lity (S-8/D- 13)\nand Vision Test (M- 9) .......... .. ..... . ......... . . 233\n11. 5 Electrostati c Charge (MSC-1) .......... •• . . •.•• • •• • 242\n11.6 Zodiacal Li ght Photography (S- 1) .... .. .......• •• .• 243\n11. 7 In- flight Exer ciser (M- 3) ........... . .... . ........ 243\n11.8 In- f l i ght Phonocardiogram (M- 4) ••••··•••••••· •··•• 244\n11. 9 Cardiovascular Reflex Conditioning (M- 1) . •••••••• • 244\n11. 10 Cloud Top Spectrometer (S- 7) •·•••••··•••·•• • ••· ••• 246\n11. 11 Miscel laneous ............. . . . ... . .•...... . ...••••• 248"
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   "text": "CQ t-4 F-1 DEt-4TIAL\n12.0\nPR.EMISSION PLANNING\n12.1 Mission Plan (Trajectory) .. . .. .. .. ..... .. . ......... 255\n12. 2 Flig}lt Plan .. ... .. ... ... . ..... . . ..... .. . . . .... . .... 255\n12.3 Spacecraft Changes . . .. .. ..... . ..... .... ... . . .. .... . 255\n12.4 Mission Rules . . .... . . . ..... ........... .. ........... 256\n12. 5\nExperiments .. .... . .. . . ...... . .. ..........•......... 256\n12.6 Training Activities . . .. . .. .. .. .... .. . ....... ...•.. . 257\nMISSION CONTROL\n13. l\nGO/NO GO ••. . ... •. ....... ... ... . . . . ...... •• •. •• • ... . 261\n13. 2 FLA and CLA Updates .. .. ....... .......... . ..... .. . .. 261\n13. 3\nConsumables .•.. . .. . . . .. ... ....... ..... .. . . ......... 261\n13.4 Flight Plan Changes •. .. ... . . . . ... . .. ....•.. ... .. . •. 264\n13. 5\nSystems .• •. .. ... . ............ .. . .... ..•.•..•• . . . . ..267\n13.6 Experiments Real - Time Updates .. .. ........... . . . . .. . 268\nTRAINING\n14. 1 Gemini Mission Simulator . . ........................ . 270\n14.2\nLT\\T , DCPS • , . ... .... . . . . .• .. . .........•• . .••. . • •. .• • 284\n14. 3\nMAC Engineering Simulator •• • ••·•·••· • · •·• ••••••· • •• 285\n14.4 Centrifuge ... ...... . ... . .. . ........................ 286\n14.5 Translation and Docking Trainer ••• · •····•·• · ··•••·· 286\n14. 6 PlSlletaritllD. .. . . . .. . . . .. . .... . .. ....... . . ... . ....... 288\n14. 7 Systems Briefings . .. ........ . . .. .. . .. . . ........ . . . . 292\n14. 8 Flight Experiments .. . .. . . ... . . .... . . .........•. .. .. 293\n14.9 Spacecraft Systems Tests . .. .... . ... .. . ............. 294\n14.10 Egress Training ..... . ..... . . . . . . . ...... .... . ....... 296\n14.11 Parachute Training ......... ... ... . . .... .. .......... 297\n14.12 Ia.unch simulation ............. . . . . . .. .. . . .... ..... . 298\n14.13 Network Simulation .. ....... . ... .. ... . . . ...... . ..... 298\n14. 14 Reentry Simulation . ... . ... .. ...... .. ... .......... . . 298\n14.15 Simulated Network Simulations . . ... . . ....... . ...... . 298\n14.16 Zero \"G\" Fligh.ts ............ . .. . . .... . . .......... . . 299\n14. 17 Flight Plan Training ... .... .. . . . . . . .. .............. 300\n15.0 CONCLUDING COMMENTS\n15.1 Crew Qu.arters .... ; ....... . .. . .. . .. . . .. •.... . .... .. . 30 2\n15. 2 Physical Training and Aircraft Flying . ... ..... ..... 303\n15.3 Sea I.a.b . . .. ........ ... ....... . . ... .. . . .. . .... .. . ... 304\n15. 4 Watches and Clocks . .. . .. ....... . ....... ...... .. . ... 304\n15.5 Miscellaneous Discrepencies •• · ··•·• · ·· •• ••••••••••• 306\n15.6 Medical Aspects .. . .. .. .. . . . . . ........ . .. .. .... . .... 310"
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   "text": "1\n8.1 Platform\nCooper\n8.O SYSTEMS OPERATIONS\nBy day we used standard procedure of finding a\nzero yaw, which is a little easier to do down at\nabout retro position.\nThe nose is a little bit\nin the way for determining zero yaw unless you\npitch down just a little past nose low in zero­\nzero- zero position.\nWhen pitched down just a tiny\nbit, zero yaw was very readily apparent to within\na fairly reasonable degree of accuracy, and then\nease it right on up.\nWe had lines for the zero­\nzero position to give us our pitch and roll on the\nhorizon.\nThis was the regular day alinement.\nNight was pretty much the same except we 1d get\nzero yaw by a star, get roll and pitch by the zero\nlines on the window (or knowing where they were\napproximately) line this with the top of the air­\nglow or the horizon. At that point you'd go into\nCage, hold it there at that position until it\ncaged) then uncage the platform to BEF or SEF\nwhichever the case might be, and then to to Plat­\nform and Attitude on the FDM and FDI's.\nThen\naline the platform fine aline SEF or BEF by keeping\n,"
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   "text": "2\nthe needles zeroed. It would slowly gyro torque\nitself and correct out the small errors for fine\nalinement. Anything to add, Pete?\nConrad\nWell, I didn ' t hear all of that, but I think the\nalinement is straightforward.\nOne thlng I had not\nread in either the GT-3 or GT- 4 debriefings on\nthis subject on out the window alinement was that\nwe have a window gage that you can us1i t hat will\nput you right on in roll and pitch ancl, of course,\nfor yaw you still have to use the same out the\nwindow reference.\nCooper\nOne thing that I think that should very definitely\ntraining wise be readily available anc. we looked\nand looked and looked and couldn't fir..d any was an\nactual scale picture of the left hand wi ndow and\nthe right hand window with what the hcri zon should\nlook like at zero-zero-zero and at retro attitude\nand at minus 90 degrees left and 90 degrees r ight\nand at 60 degrees left and 60 degrees right and\nthis type thing.\nI've never seen an a~tual drawing\nshowing the horizon line on a window a·'ld what i t\nshould look l ike ."
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   "text": "3\nConrad\nYes\nCooper\nI think this would be a tremendous benefit and\nshouldn't be difficult to come up with.\nConrad\nIf you place your eye so that it goes through the\nlower left corner of the right window or the lower\nright corner of the left window and run that eye\nposition right through the front RCS yaw thruster,\nthe lower yaw thruster in the front ring, I guess\nthat's ring A, anyway, you take a line between\nyour eye, the corner of the window and the front\nRCS yaw thruster, right through the middle of it,\nand put that line on the top of the airglow or the\nhorizon.\nThen the spacecraft, and this looks like\nan excessively nose up attitude, but it's not,\nyou're zero degrees in pitch then the window frame\nis just about vertical to the horizon and it forms\na perpendicular angle.\nCooper\nThe inside edge of the frame .\nConrad\nThe inside up and down edge of the window corner\nmakes a perpendicular angle to the horizon and you\ncan use that as a roll gage. If you set it up"
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   "text": "4\nthat way that platform isn 't\ni n roll or pitch.\noff 4 or 5 degrees\nCooper\nSo, i t really looks like, when you fir3t start\nlining it up, it appear s to you that f ::-om the\nleft seat that you ' re actually rolled l eft ,\nConrad\nYes, that's right .\nCooper\nAnd f r om your seat it would look l i ke j t\nactuall y r olled right.\nwas\nCooper\nIt doesn ' t look horizontal at al l, but that ' s due\nto the fact t hat you 're sitting off by thi s offset .\nConrad\nOne other thing that you might say about platform\nalinement is that if you ' re not on in roll and\npi tch, mainl y roll, t his really will ea t you up\nin alinement time .\nCooper\nRoll and yaw are\nyou can be off a\nout.\nt he bad errors creator:, .\nl ot i n and it' 11 corr ec:t\nPitch\nr ight\nConrad\nNot if the other two (roll and yaw) are off .\nCooper\nBut if you 're off in roll and/or yaw th€n it\nreally takes a long time and its real rcugh ."
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   "text": "5\nConrad\nYou don't want to be deceived by the fact that\nthe needles are holding in the center pretty well.\nCooper\nThat's right, one thing that we found when we\nwere going through this real, real long platform\nalinement prior to getting all l i ned up for retro­\nfire was that we had the needles all alined, t hey\nwere sitting all glued out .\nBut you have to s i t\nthere with them for a little bi t glued out.\nThey\nsit there all zeroed out, it looks like everything\nwas all alined and al l of a sudden yaw begin to\nease off quite a bit showing that we weren ' t\nalined.\nConrad\nAt one time we went to Orbit Rate when we had not\npulled the yaw all the way in and, boy, it showed\nup in roll as we started moving around.\nCooper\nOrbit Rate and Horizon Scan.\nConrad\nI mean it shwed up in the roll axis .\nCooper\nOh, yes.\nRight.\nConrad\nYou have to take t he time and be careful with the\nplatform alinement, no doubt about i t.\n° CSf*fDEt◄ TIAl"
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   "text": "6\n,\nCooper\nAnd i t takes t ime to do it and do a\njob on it .\nr ~ally good\nModes .\nThe only thing I can say about\nthat it takes an excessively long tim1;\nCage is\nto Cage .\nConrad\nI 'll comment on this even though we d:i. dn't get a\nchance to do the rendezvous, but even in simula­\ntion, it was apparent and the l i ttl e bit t hat\nwe did in flight caging the ~latform, getting\nready for alinements and t hings l ike -;hat, it\nwas very time consuming.\nI think tha·; you could\nfind use for a fast slave cycle .\nCooper\nVery much so.\nConrad\nFast Cage cycle is what I should say.\nI 'll say\nit's a luxury item but it sure could be helpful.\nCooper\nSEF and BEF worked just like advertisEid .\nSEF\nfor fine aline and small- end- forward, BEF for\nreYersing your phase angles so that you ' re still\nsteering to and fine alining blunt encl forward.\nConrad\nJ i m and Ed made the comment that t hey never alined\nBEF, that t hey always alined SEF.\nWe alined SEF\nnormally through the flight and when ,:e were ready\n60 ►◄~ ~"
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   "text": "7\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nto retro, we wanted to save as much fuel as\npossible, so we alined BEF and I think alining\nBEF is easier than in SEF.\nYes ,\nI think you can tell yaw better going backwards\nthan you can going forward.\nYes.\nI don't know why, maybe it was just psychological.\nI agree with you, I really think you're right.\nI think you can tell it better. It streams away\nfrom you a little more .\nYes. It was easier to pull in in yaw.\nI thought\nit was a little more comfortable feeling .\nI\nenjoyed the riding around alining the platform\nBEF much more than when we alined it SEF, and I\nfelt we were closer to being on most of the time\nwhen we pulled it in in yaw.\nOf course, we had a little better control system\nthere, it does help.\nYes .\nMt ◄ FIDE►~TIAL •"
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   "text": "8\n~NftDE~~TIAt·,_\nCooper\nI think either way (SEF, BEF) is good, both worked\nvery adequately and it just depends on which way\nyou want to aline for what you ' re going to do .\nBEF is certainl y at least as acceptable as SEF.\nORBIT RATE was not bad off at all .\nWe didn't\nhave any l arge errors in it due to t he fact that\nwe had more nearly circulari zed our oroit from\nt he burns that we did.\nConrad\nWe were about at 171-60 at that time p<=:riod.\nI\ndon't know what t hey had picked as an orbit rate\nnumber at the end finally for the REP.\nCooper\nWe were about 107, 166.\nConrad\nYes .\nI was really surprised with how ,..,ell the\nplatform stayed on after just t aking a quick look\nat zero- zero- zero, not even trying to ali ne these.\nWe just passed freely through this in dr ifting\nflight and uncaged the platform right into Or bit\nRate, and it didn't get off five or ten degrees\nin any of the three axis .\nCooper\nFor about 20 hours .\n'i0 ►~FIDE►~TIAL"
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   "text": "9\nG©t◄ FIDl!~~TIAL\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n,,\nCooper\nYes, for about 20 hours that we drifted around.\nIt was finally off the most in roll. It got about\n15 degrees off in roll.\nOrbit Rate worked very well.\nOther than inertial work, I just didn't see any\nbig advantage in free.\nYou'd still think in\nterms of the local horizon up there most of the\ntime.\nYes .\nWe just never had much occasion during the f light\nto use FREE.\nPlatform displays .\nBal l operation through the poles was just\nfantastic! It was so smooth.\nThe only way you\ncould tell that you were going through a pole\nis you could see the roll index, vehicle is on the\nroll gimbal, flip .\nYes.\nThis is something we had trouble finding\nout, whether this was the case or not and we\ndeliberately ran several specific checks of this.\n<!rJ~~FIDEt~TIAL"
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   "text": "10\nRegardless of which way you approachec. it from,\nwhether you approached i t fast or slm.- or whether\nyou 're going through the 90 or 270 pojnt on the\nball, you can go right smack through the middle\nof it, you can sit right in the middle of it,\nyou can move up or down, r ight or left and the\nball doesn't jump, doesn't j itter, doesn't do\nanything.\nIt's just beautiful .\nConrad\nYes .\nCooper\nWe did a burn right through each one of the poles .\nI think the controls are pretty simila-r to what\nthey are in the simulator .\nThere are t wo\nexceptions, one of which I think i s valid and\nwhich I think may be influenced by the fact that\nwe had a lot of s low degredation in ou:~ OAMS\nsystem.\nI thought that the PlJISE system in the\nspacecraft had a lot less torque, a reasonable\namount less torque and it got a lot leBs, as we\nwent along it got less and less and leHs .\nConrad\nYes .\nCooper\nBut even i nitially, it felt like thP- PlLSE system"
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   "text": "11\nhad less authority in the spacecraft than it does\nin t he simulator.\nOn the other hand, I felt the\nRATE COMMAND system had a heck of a lot more\nauthority in the spacecraft than it does in the\nsimulator.\nCooper\nThat RATE COMMAND just flat snaps you in.\nIn the\nsimulator, when you come around in RATE COMMAND\nand you let off it will go through 5 to 10 degrees.\nYou have to let off on it 5 to 10 degrees early.\nBy golly, in the spacecraft you didn't have to\nlet off even a degree early.\nWhen you let go,\nit stopped right there just like you put on the\nbrakes.\nConrad\nYeah. It was good and it was tight.\nCooper\nIt was so tight that you almost had to - -\nConrad\nThat was OAMS Rate Command.\nCooper\nYou almost had the feeling that the OAMS Rate\nCommand was almost bending the Adapter Section.\nI t had such high torquing rate.\nConrad\nOn day 2 and 3, our OAMS system was working\ncompletely correct.\nI was extremely impressed"
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   "text": "12\n•\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nwith how nice a control system i t was.\nWe made\nseveral maneuvers using this control Eystem and\ndidn't have any gripes on that system at all .\nAs\nGordo said we were really impressed wjth the\nRate Command system.\nWhen you turned around 90 degrees in crder to get\nrid of the REP, did you use the 8-ball ?\nYes.\nFDI 's are on this Gimbal flip bus i ness too, you\nsee .\nThey do that in the trainer, but they were\nsteady as a rock in the spacecraft.\nYes, we used the FDI's for t he fine al ine .\nAl­\nthough to get there we used the 8-ball.\nWe had trained to use the IVI' s .\nThat 's right.\nWe used the IVI 's, not t he FDI' s .\nWe used t he\nIVI ' s as the real fine measure of being l ined up.\nWe used the FDI 's too.\nYou can use anything in the spacecraft."
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   "text": "13\nCooper\n..\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n•\nYou can't use the FDI 's or the 8-ball as a\nreference in the mission simulation because you\nhave this gimbal flip which just gives you fits .\nWe didn't use Rate Command very much, mainly just\nfor the burns.\nIn fact, t he burns are the onl y\ntimes we used Rate Command.\nI used the Direct\nsystem several times and I thought the Direct was\nreally good. It was good and crisp and you had\ngood authority with it.\nI had the impression that the spacecraft was a\nlot more stable vehicle in Di rect than it was in\nthe simulator.\nTmt' s right.\nIn t he simulator you tend to sit there and go\ntoo much and go too much.\nWhen Gordo'd stick a\nshot of Direct in to go someplace, it never\nshowed up in another axis.\nAn equal shot i n the\nother direction would stop it r i ght now.\nYes.\nThe effects momentum of the spacecraft didn ' t seem\nto be as great in flight as they were i n the\n~f:HDEt◄TIA ~"
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   "text": "14\n\"t OMFtDE~ ◄ TIAL\nsimulator.\nYou didn ' t have to lead a:, much.\nCooper\nThat's right.\nThe Direct system was a much more precise system\nin the spacecraft than it i s in the s' mulator.\nConrad\nI thought it was quite easy to fly, but there's\nno doubt about it, boy, that Rate Corrunand eats\nup the fuel ."
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   "n": 20,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p20.jpg",
   "text": "15\n•\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nDirect uses quite a bit of fuel also.\nWe did use a little fuel t hat one day.\nWe were\ndoing so many experiments in a row that we had to\nvery rapidly get the spacecraft back to a zero­\nzero- zero or a pitch down 30 posi tion.\nWhen you\ntrack one of these targets and come through the\nnadir and keep on going, boy, you're really smoking\ntowards a rearward direction.\nYou're sitti ng i nverted BEF.\nThat's r i ght, you ' ve got rates built up going away\nfrom you and you 'd have to use Direct to stop those\nrates, get yourself moved all the way back up here\nand stop them again.\nMaybe it'd be so tight that\nyou'd use Di rect to get down and start on it, and\nthen switch to Pulse and track in Pul se and then\nr i ght back up and start doing something else. Well,\nwe di d eat up a lot of fuel that day, but we got\neverything done that day.\nWe hit darned near all\ntargets.\nDi rect i s a real responsive , real fine way to\nmaneuver.\n60t~Fl0Et.t:tAt"
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   "n": 21,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p21.jpg",
   "text": "16\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n8. 2 OAMS\nCooper\nCooper\n•i Q:Mf~Cf1stIIAla\n..\nPlatform controls were very straight fc,rward.\nI\nthought they all functioned as expected.\nThe Platform took the full 25 minutes to go through\nthe fast heat, and the first time on it was really\ncold and took another 3 minutes worth before start\nof the Cage Cycle.\nAfter that, it seemed to stick\nright around 25 minutes to get the platform up and\non the line and start into Cage.\nRight now, I've got extreme confidence in that\nPlatform.\nI really think it does well.\n'.Ihe platform did an outstanding job during the\nentire flight.\nI t sure did.\nWe fired the OAMS on the pad and it was mushy.\nYou\ncouldn't hear them fire just gas mainly,\nAbout\nthe third round of firings however, you could really\nfeel them fire off, they were all good.\nDuring flight the OAMS started out very good and in\nabout the third day began to degrade.\n~:he f i fth day"
  },
  {
   "n": 22,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p22.jpg",
   "text": "~liUiiAL\n17\ni s when we found the two thrusters that were not\noperating correctly.\nConr ad\n'Ille number 8 thruster was working real good when we\nfound that the number 7 thruster was out.\nSo we\nshut the system down again and had a big talk with\nHouston about this.\nWe went one more revolution\nand they gave us some tests to perform on 7 and\nthat 's when we di scovered 8 wasn ' t working.\nConrad\n'lwo of them quit, within an orbit of one another.\nCooper\nWe had already run complete tests on it and\nnumber 8 had been working on the previous tests and\nquit on the next one.\n'Ille story of the old OAMS\ninflight system was that gradually as the days went\nby there was more, and more that went wrong with\nit unti l f inally at the end we had less than half\nthe thrusters left and they were pretty bad.\nConrad\nI realized a couple of heater blankets were probably\nout on the OAMS system, but I'm still convinced\nunt i l somebody convi nces me otherwise, that the\nthing that shot the OAMS system down, was the\ndecision to turn off the OAMS heater.\nI had ques­\nioned the decision in the air to only point that"
  },
  {
   "n": 23,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p23.jpg",
   "text": "18\nI could.\nI didn 't think we were in that much\ntrouble for electrical power.\nI still think it\nwas a mi stake because I think even with a couple\nof blankets out, if we'd have kept the ,3ystem warm\nwi th the rest of the heaters, we'd have never froze\nthem up.\nCooper\n'llie thrusters themselves were actually ·vorki ng\nbecause you could actually get a glow off of them.\nThere was a little bi t of fuel or oxidiier coming\nout of it and burning , but it wasn't getting the\nproper amount of mi xture ratio.\nConrad\nNow, they could have been dirty.\nThat :ould be it,\nbut it was purely in the valves i n the thrusters\nthemselves because they were putting out thrust\neven at the end.\nI f you wanted to hold it i n full\nD:Lrect wi th 7 and 8 circuit breaker engs.ged, you\nwere getting wet fuel thrust.\nCooper\nYes.\nYou were getti ng a little wet thr~st.\nConrad\nlet's go into how the whole thing occurred.\nWe\nhad shut the heat er down a long time ago and we\nreally hadn't agreed wi th that, but there wasn't\nmuch we could do about it.\nWe were i n the mi ddle"
  },
  {
   "n": 24,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p24.jpg",
   "text": ",\n19\nof doing experiments on the fifth day, and we had\nhad a little trouble alining the platform.\nWhat\nwas happening, apparently was the number 7 thruster\nwas getting cranky, but we also knew we were vent­\ning hydrogen and we knew this because we were\ngetting some torqueing out of that.\nAt the t i me\nGordo was having trouble ali ning the Platform, we\nthought it was because the hydrogen was venting.\nFinally Gardo said, \"There's something wrong with t\nthe control systems. \"\nOnce we deci ded there was\nsomething wrong wi th the control system, that 's\nwhen it went just like back i n the simulator.\nWe\nshut everything down, went to Direct, thought about\nit for a second and turned off all the circuit\nbreakers , turned them all back on one at a time,\ntested all of the thrusters and, sure enough, when\nwe got to number 7, it was out, completely out.\nConrad\nSo then I tri ed secondary ACME bias power.\nWe\ntried the seconday yaw and the secondary attitude\ndrivers with no effect so we were relatively as­\nsured that something had happened in either the\nhand controller or the fuel was not feeding.\nWe\ndecided to power down r i ght there , which we did,\nand we advised flight of what the problem was.\n£ 8.M&HW~Jl~i\nI"
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   "n": 25,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p25.jpg",
   "text": "20\nthink that's about the time we really decided the\ns canner wasn' t any good, or had we already tol d\nthem about that?\nCooper\nYes.\nWe 'd already t old them about that.\nConrad\nYes, you ' re right.\nI know what it was.\nThat's\nwhen we discovered that the voice tape was out.\nWe were right i n the middle of several experiments\nand it occurred\napproximatel y like 16:30:54 on\nthe f i f th day.\nWe reported to Houston that the\nvoice tape was out, the number 7 yaw L~ft thruster\nwas out and that I had turned the OAMS heater back\non.\nI was suspicious of that all the ·;ime.\nThat's\nwhen they called up and gave us this m:i.nimum power\ndown.\nWhy did we go i nto that?\nThey had us power\ndown everything.\nCooper\nAt about the same time that we came up with this,\nthey came up with this idea that the hrdrogen was\nboiling off so fast that we were going t o be out of\nhydrogen by about the end of the f i fth day at the\nrat e we were goi ng i f we di dn't power down and stop\nthe usage of i t .\n.iO~~FIDEMTfffl:\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 26,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p26.jpg",
   "text": "21\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nYes.\nThat's when we came around on the next\nrevolution.\n'Illey had us fire up everything again\nto take a look at i t and that's when we found out\nnumber 8 had just gone down the tubes too.\nBut\nnumber 8 was still givi ng us something; number 8\nwas stil l burning, but it was burning off mi xture.\nYou could see a flame.\nYou could see a glow out of it.\nYou couldn' t hear it like you could hear the other\nthrusters, but you could see lights on the ni ght\nside so you knew something was coming out.\n'Ille\ndrivers just weren't openi ng all the way or some­\nthing.\nThe fifth day at 16:30 is the first problem you\nhad with the OAMS, is that right?\nNo, earlier.\nWhen we first powered the system\nup, we were having trouble with that very f irst\nplatform alining and we felt we were having some\nhydrogen venting problems.\n'Ihat's when we drifted\nway off, and Gordo said, \"'Ille Pulse system isn't\ngoing to hack this hydrogen venting. \"\nHe went\nt o Di rect and blipped the yaw l eft thrusters.\n•"
  },
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   "n": 27,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p27.jpg",
   "text": "22\nAll kinds of garbage came by the spacecraft. It\nlooked like we blew a whole bunch of junk out of it.\nI remember distinctly seeing gold balls.\nCooper\nGreat bi g balls of l iquid.\nConrad\nSo it must have been raw fuel .\nSomething at this\ntime wasn't working right, but I guess number 8\nwas putting out full thrust and number 7 was still\nworki ng but not all the way.\nNow mayb<? right then\nand there if we'd have really worked that system\nover; fired all the thrusters in Direc1; and a\ncouple of good healthy loads throug it ,., and put\nthe heater s back on the line, we might have sal­\nvaged thew\nvaged the whole system. It must have been right\nat the point of freezing up.\nCooper\nThis was early i n the fifth day.\n.£:Obi:EIOEttllAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 28,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p28.jpg",
   "text": "23\nConrad\nWe didn't hit the direct thrusters long enough to\nheat them I don't think.\nI do distinctly remember\nsaying to Gordo \"We blew all this junk out of there. \"\nConrad\nWe' d never seen anything like that before and we'd\nbeen up there 5 days and seen all sorts of things .\nWe could see liquid oxygen when we vented it, if we\nvented i t under the right light conditions .\nWe\ncould see when we vented hydrogen under the right\nlighting conditions. It would all float by the\nspacecraft and at low sun angles, either at sunup\nor sundown any one of these quantities, ECS o2,\nCRYO o2, or RSF hydrogen, you could see it come\nwhistling by the spacecraft. We were continually\nfloating around in these old silver balls of either\nhydrogen or oxygen.\nCooper\nOkay, well that was pretty well the background of\nwhat happened.\nSome thrusters that had checked\nout good would subsequently check out bad or be\ncompletely inoperative as the days went by.\nSo\nfinally we wound up with maybe half of the total\nOAMS thrusters still operating properly."
  },
  {
   "n": 29,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p29.jpg",
   "text": "24\nConrad\n•\nWe had some thrust remaining in every axis but yaw\nl eft.\nWe had some in yaw left if you just wanted\nto dump raw fuel overboard.\nI don ' t know whether\nit was fuel or oxidizer.\nCooper\nGenerally, what we'd do is roll and pitch to get\nour yaw left .\nConrad\nI f we were tumbling and wanted to damp we just\nwaited until we translated into the right axis in\nwhich we had some authority.\nCooper\nThe one axis that always seemed to work pretty good\nso far as control authority was pitch.\nConrad\nYes\nCooper\nPitch up and pitch down seemed to work reasonably\nwell all the time.\nConrad\nYes .\nI wonder i f that had something to do with the\npitch thruster lines on the manifold being close\nto the source. Pitch was always good.\nOur trouble\nwas mainly coupling in the yaw thrusters both right\nand left.\nCooper\nSource pressure was easy to monitor.\nSJurce temper­\nature we could monitor and it was too CJld."
  },
  {
   "n": 30,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p30.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n25\nIt ran down in the 48 degree area.\nIt showed that it was running too cold.\nThat's why\nwe questioned turning the OAMS heater off,\nRegul ated pressure was fine .\nRight on the money.\nPropellant quantity seemed to read r easonably good\nuntil it got down towards the end. At that point\n(from about 10 percent on down) the propellant\nquantity just went on down to the bottom of the\nscale. It was reading below zero and yet ground\nreadouts indicated OAMS propellant quantity remaining.\nMonitoring of OAMS propellant r emaining onboard\ninformation was fairly good.\nYes.\nI thought we were fairly close.\nGr ound i nformation agreed fairly good with onboard\ninformation in general.\nThe whole OAMS systems got to be reviewed.\nI\nthink that they think we wasted a lot of fuel and\nI think that on day 3 we probabl y were a little\novergenerous with our fuel usage. But I ' m still\nret◄ FtE>Et.~TIA ~ I"
  },
  {
   "n": 31,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p31.jpg",
   "text": "26\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConr ad\nCOt--1 FIDEt◄ :rIA~\n,;\nconvinced that because we went so long with the\nOAMS heater off that we were not burning a nominal\nfuel to oxidizer ratio.\nYes .\nEven though we were in a rush to get a lot of\n...\nthese things done, I was still extremelr conscious\nof fuel usage . Although I'd used Direct to get\ni t started, I wouldn't just fire all the way around\nin Direct input, let it coast around, a~d then stop\nit right there.\nYes. I never saw fuel usage in the sim1lator like\nwe saw in flight .\nI t just seemed to go down very rapidly on the gauge\nduring that one period of time.\nAnd yet we went night after night all night long in\nHorizon Scan or in Pulse and would hardly use any\nfuel at all.\nAs a matter of fact, the ground gave\nme the figures.\nThis was when we were ::unning all\nni ght long in Horizon Scan so that we had a nice\nreference.\nThey said \"You' re using about 2 pounds\na night.\n11\nNow, that seems like a r easonable amount\nfor what we were doing.\n•"
  },
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   "n": 32,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p32.jpg",
   "text": "27\nCooper\nWe were using it for Attitude Hold and for getting\npictures and to get through the day side.\nConrad\nOh Yes.\nWe never used Rate Command except for the\nmaneuver burns.\nCooper\nWe were tracking the missile using Diredt.\nget on it in a rush so I went to Direct.\nHad to\nConrad\nCooper\nI questioned propellant quantity prior to lift­ off.\nIt was 87 percent at lift­ off, I thought we were\nsupposed to be 100 percent on the gage at lift­ off.\nI thought we had propellant quantity loaded to the\nmaximum?\nWell, they said we were about 50 pounds under.\nConrad\nYes, they said we had about 50 pounds less fuel\nthan we were supposed to have.\nCooper\nWe asked them about this before we l ifted off,\nCooper\nAt about 4 or 5 minutes before lift­ off,\nthem about this.\nwe asked\nConrad\nWe got a \"We ' re checking\" and that's the last we\nheard from it. And off we went ."
  },
  {
   "n": 33,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p33.jpg",
   "text": "28\nCooper\nSo then we asked again when we wer e in orbit,\n\"About this under load on GA.MS fuel\" .\nI suspect\nt hat something was fouled up because we didn ' t get\na full 0AMS load.\nThat was pretty bad.\nCooper\nI think monitor ing onboard of propell~mt r emaining\nt o compl et e the mission was pretty good.\nThe fore­\ncast fuel for missi on completion of GE,mini V ought\nto be reviewed because somebody didn ' t quite come up\nwith the right fuel figures .\nTwenty- six percent\nremaining after the REP would not havE been nearly\nenough to have ~one the r emainder of the mission.\nConrad\nYes .\nI t hi nk t hat in computing the a.mount of fuel\nused t o perform a maneuver, they figure out how much\nto get the r ates going but they must s top there.\nThey must not f i gur e how much fuel it takes you to .\nget back to, say, zer o- zero- zero.\nAppirentl y t hey\nassume that whenever you get done with a tracking\nmaneuver, you j ust drift to get back to zero- zero­\nzero.\nOver the U.S. we had maybe 6 or 7 minutes be­\nt ween a 30 degree pitch- down target to the next\n30 degr ee pitch- down target .\nYou ' ve got to t r ack\nit all t he way through, bing the spacecraft all the\nway back up and then go to and track the next target ."
  },
  {
   "n": 34,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p34.jpg",
   "text": "29\nCooper\nAnd stop your rate at the back.\nConrad\nAs a matter of fact, that's about twice the fuel\nusage.\nThey may take this into account, I doubt\nit. They're very conservative on their estimates .\nCooper\nSelector controls and switches were all right.\nAttitude controller was fine .\nManeuver controllers .\n(\nWe had every intention of checking the right one and\nwe never did check it because of other problems .\nInflight malfunction irregularities we've already\ncovered pretty well.\nCooper\nAttitude Control Modes, Rate Command was excellent.\nReentry Rate Command we never checked.\nConrad\nI don't even think you need it .\nCooper\nAnd I think it could be removed from the spacecraft\nas far as I 'm concerned.\nI never used or need it on\nthe simulator.\nI never liked it.\nConrad\nPilots aren't going to tolerate these higher r ates .\nThey will damp before these rates are reached.\nCooper\nDirect is a good mode.\nThere' s nothing at all\nwrong with Direct .\nI thought it was much crisper,\nmuch crisper in the spacecraft than in the simulator"
  },
  {
   "n": 35,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p35.jpg",
   "text": "30\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nshows that it is .\nThe Pulse mode was very economical\non fuel and I felt that in the sinru.latc,r you had a\nlittle more authority than you actually did in the\nspacecraft .\nThe spacecraft had slightly less\nauthority in Pulse than the sinru.lator does .\nInci­\ndentally, you can use Pulse just for a month of\nSundays and never see the fuel go down on the 0AMS\ngage at all. You can use Pulse all day long with\nusing little fuel usage.\nHorizon s can, the primary\nScanner was inoperative as was stated e3.Tlier.\nThe\nSecondary Scanner worked fine. The sca::mers, I\nthink, operated quite satisfactorily. We had a lot\nof scanner dropout in the primary and eiren in the\nsecondary.\nWe had some dropout in the :iecondary\nwhen we first were going in and out of i;unlight\nareas .\nBut then it seemed to work allright.\nHorizon Scan Control Mode worked fine .\nReal good.\nIt's a loose mode but it still works fir..e .\nIt's got wide limits on it of course, -which i s\nokay.\nThe mode itself works fine.\nThere was some­\nthing really fouled up in the platform rnode. It didn't\nwork at all like it's supposed to. The platform mode\nis supposed to be plus or minus 5/loth of a degree. If\nit was plus or minus 10 degrees I 'll eat my hat .\n..\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 36,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p36.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nCooper\n31\nI thought it held to about a degree and a half .\nNot in yaw, you remember. It allowed yaw to wander\noff by probably a good 10 degrees there. Remember\nit allowed right yaw to wander off by about 10 degrees\nand just sit off there in right yaw several times.\nIt wouldn't even bring it back.\nYes.\nThat was the trouble.\nDo you think this had anything to do with your con­\ntrol problem?\nW-ell, it may have been. It may have been that con­\ntrol was somewhat intermittent right there.\nI don ' t\nknow, but it might have been.\nBut Rate Command sure\nworked good using those same controls.\nYes.\nI suspect that being the first time that it\nwas cranked up since spacecraft number 2, it may not\nhave been tweeked as well as it could have been.\nIt certainly didn't work like it did on the simulator,\nI 'll put it that way.\nIt didnlt work properly, and it was no good the way\nit was.\nWe never used it after we originally tried\nit out and after we\n1d tried doing this one burn on it\nto see if it would hold.\nThe one that it did hold\non, our first perigee adjust, it held beautifully.\nDuring the next one, it got so bad it wasn\nI t any"
  },
  {
   "n": 37,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p37.jpg",
   "text": "32\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\ngood.\nTher e again, it might have been a f unction of\nthe thrusters going out.\nIn any event, I think that\n1 s an error ,;hat somebody\nneeds to look i nto.\nI ' m not sure that pl atfor m mode\nis doing what i t should.\nI know that , t heoretically,\n•\nand by t he diagrams on it and the limit s that it\nought to be a very precise control modE!.\nSpacecraft separation at SECO + 20 couldn ' t have been\nbetter , just fine.\nTranslat i on per igeE! adjust went\nlike cl ockwork.\nThat was our fir st r eal burn and I thi r.k we got\nsomething like 9. 6 f t/sec on t he IVI ir.stead of\n10 .0, but t he burn wasn ' t that crit icaJ .\nI checked accelerometer bias and it seE•med like the\naccel er ometer bias incr eased l at er in the f light .\nI specif ically checked it f or the REP end it was\nokay.\nI\n1d just set up zer os in the wirdow and\nwent to Catch-Up and they stayed zero for 3 or\n4 minutes or longer .\nSo that satisfied me.\nI\nchecked it l ater on in the f light and I don ' t think\nwe r an more than a minute and we clickEd up a\nf oot per second on the fore- aft window.\nThat can\nbe checked on the tape .\nIn the beginning it was\nentirely acceptable for the REP."
  },
  {
   "n": 38,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p38.jpg",
   "text": "33\nCooper\nI think we had some bias, just how much I don ' t lmow.\nThe timing of the translation was fine , updating was\nfine.\nOperations and checklist were okay.\nComputer\nusage, okay.\nConrad\nIt was easier to make a burn on the simulator that\nhad no up-down or left and right in it than it was\nin the spacecraft.\nGordo did a real good job of\ntracking on every burn and I didn't see it wander\nhardly at all.\nCooper\nAnd all the IVI ' s would be zero.\nConrad\nAnd all the IVI\n1 s would be zero, but we'd have .4. of\n10\na foot in one axis and ~O in another.\nConrad\n8\nYes.\nThe worst cross- coupling, we had 10 in one\naxis, and when we burned in the platform mode, but\nwe were checking that.\nIt could have been accelero­\nmeter bias again, or, the spacecraft is more sensi­ •\ntive to picking up up- down and l eft­ right velocities\nthan I thought it was .\nConrad\nGordo did a real good job of tracking.\nHe tracked\nas well as he did in the simulator and we never had\nthis show up in another axis in the simulator.\nCooper\nIt would be zero , zero, zero in the simulator.\nConrad\nIt was hardly worth my time checking address 81 and\n82 in the simulator because I could just tell he"
  },
  {
   "n": 39,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p39.jpg",
   "text": "34\nwasn't going to have any velocities in there , and\nvery seldom did.\nBut we never failed t o have fairly\nsizeable ones , like fa and fo fps, in another axis\nand I'm not quite sure how it got therE·.\nI guess\nthe spacecraft is extremely sensitive . If you ' re\ngoing to make pr ecise burns, you\nI ve gotta really burn\nprecisely and i f you want to take out the errors , take\nout the address 81 and 82 errors so that you don ' t\nintroduce anything else.\nDuring the difficult ren­\ndezvous maneuvers, you have to plan on more\nf uel usage because you're going to have to take it out\nwith the up- down thrusters .\nCooper\nI think what you ' re going to have to do is stop\nshort of burning off all your forward or aft velocity,\nparticularly the forward velocity, and then use the\ncanted thrusters to burn off the right- Left and up-do,m\nand that will take out part of the remaLnder of the\nforward velocity.\nIf it hasn ' t taken it all out ,\nthen bleep out the rest of the f orward .\nI think\nthat 1s the only way you can do it if you want to\nburn them al l t o zeros.\nI don' t believe you can t r ack\nany more precisely if you keep all your IVI ' s zeroed\nright down the money.\nIf you burn it off and stop\njust at the right time so that everything should turn"
  },
  {
   "n": 40,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p40.jpg",
   "text": "35\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n;COtsifH0E1t~I IAL\nup zero, then youst i·11 win\n• d up wi·th .1_ 2-\nor\n10, 10,\n6\nI\nin all your windows.\nI just don\nt t know how you re\n10\never going to do any better than that.\n(Unless you\nuse the above procedure).\nTranslation REP deployment was passable .\nThis one you didn ' t .\nYou didn ' t fire back at the REP\nafter jettison?\nNo.\nLet's replace this maneuver with the simulated opera­\ntion (phantom rendezvous).\nWe did deploy the REP and the radar did operate\nproperly.\nOriginally when the debriefing guide was made out,\nthis section covered the translation back after REP\ndeployment and the subsequent translations.\nOkay.\nWe 'll just have to use the translations that they\nmade on the simulated run.\nWe kicked the REP out at 90 degrees right yaw.\nWe kicked it out at 02 07 + 15, or 15 seconds l ate.\nThe reason we were 15 seconds late , as we stated\nearlier, was that going into the night side the night\nbefore , after all our careful platform alinements,\nall of a sudden the horizon scanner began to drop"
  },
  {
   "n": 41,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p41.jpg",
   "text": "out on us and we began to drift off in yaw.\nConrad\nDropping out wouldn't have been bad, but when it\ndropped out it also commanded some thrusting.\nCooper\nWe got some real good blips out of it.\nConrad\nWe were alining in the Horizon Scan Mode and I got\nthe impression that it pitched us up.\nCooper\nWe wer e already alined, and we had gone to Orbital\nRate and Horizon Scan, just to come alcng there in\ntime to go in.\nAs soon as we had the Ilatform all\nali ned, and before we went in on the night side, I\ndecided I would realine the pl atform ji.:st very\nbriefly.\nSo I had gone to SEF and to IULSE and I\nwas checking and pulsing it . • But becai.:.se t hen in\nSEF position all your torquing is done f rom your\nHorizon Scanner.\nWhen the Horizon Scar,ner began to\ndrop out we began to get real erratic needle display\nand it looked like our platform alinemEmt was deter­\niorating.\nI was trying to correct thiB, but\nobviously, it was really kicking us off.\nThat was\nwhen we went t o CAGE , tried desperatelr to get it\ncaged and realined in time , and thought we had i t\nrealined.\nWe may have had it reasonab:.y well alined\nby the time we f inally yawed right.\nI ·; looked like\nit was.\nThe needles wer e all zeroed out and"
  },
  {
   "n": 42,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p42.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\neverything was settled down.\nThe Horizon Scanner\n.was working at that point.\nIt quit working properly\nafter we turned to yaw right .\nWe had already gone\ninto Orbital Rate, so we could care less about the\nscanner at this point .\nWe got it alined, and we ' re\nalready in Orbital Rate.\nWe yawed right , got squared\naway and 15 seconds late ejected the REP on the\nIVI's all zeroed.\nWe then used a couple of DIRECT\npulses, zipped back around, picked it up going around\nto the 270. It was going right straight out to 270\non our ball .\nWe could see the REP light whenever we\nwere passing through the 90 degree point .\nOn my side,\nI could see it flashing on the nose .\nBy the time we\ngot around it was in quite close, we could see it\ngoing out with a very slow tumble rate, flashing.\nWhat would you estimate the tumble rate to be?\nIt was tumbling very slowly, I would say maybe a\nhalf to 1 degree per second.\nI 1d say a degree per second.\nI couldn't tell what it was in roll .\nIt didn't seem\nto be tumbling in more than 2 axes.\nThat was ha.rd to tell .\nWhen I saw it, you could see the dipole come around.\nWe couldn 1t tell anything about roll, but it was not"
  },
  {
   "n": 43,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p43.jpg",
   "text": "38\ntumbling in the other axes.\nThe blanket was sitting\n_r ight next to it.\nCooper\nThe blanket went out and was sitting ri1sht by it. It\nwent right on out with it .\nThat was thi~ funny part of\nit.\nThe blanket was between the REP and us.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nThe blanket goes out first.\nThe REP ha:3 a lot more\nmementum, apparently the REP had gone b;r the blanket:\nApparently it had either hit it or moved it over or\nsomething because the blanket was betwe,m us and the\nREP.\nConrad\nYes.\nI don ' t know exactly what happenecl there.\nCooper\nIt was just a few feet outside of the REP.\nThe REP\nwent straight on out to 270, radar was working fine ,\nr eading out everything just right , lock1~d on, and went\nout to the point where it should have s·~arted sl owing\ndown.\nConrad\nThis is where I had a mistake in the fl:.ght plan and\ndidn't catch it.\nThe computer was in PHELAUNCH and I\nwas wondering why I couldn't get any digital readout.\nI t took me a few seconds to catch on to that one and\nI realized that I had to get the computEir into\nCATCH-UP.\nWe had never run into this problem where\nwe'd gone through a complete insertion checklist"
  },
  {
   "n": 44,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p44.jpg",
   "text": "39\nwhich calls for putting the computer to CATCH-UP.\nI had gone through and zeroed 25 , 26, and 27, talcing\nthe ascent routine numbers out of it .\nSo that I knew\nthat we were getting the right readings.\nI had put\nthe computer back in PRELAUNCH, also had this discus­\nsion at that time and that ' s when I didn't blow the\ncold IR doors until the REP was out .\nCooper\nI've said it before, and I also said it after my\nMercury flight ; that is, \"If you continually shove\nthings in on people very early in the flight, the\nquality of it is going to be degraded.\"\nYou need the\nfirst two or three orbits to check the systems over,\nto get oriented , learn how to aline the platform, to\nlearn how to use the systems, to learn where things\nare, to do these things before you start giving\n-people complicated tasks .\nYou just aren ' t going to\nget the quality out of them unless they're flying\nexactly the same vehicle for the second or third\ntime and they\n1re very experienced in it and they're\nfamiliar with everything that 's onboard and there ' s\nno change in equipment , no change in control system,\nno change in any of these things.\nThen, perhaps they\ncould leap right off and go right into the first\norbit and do these things.\nBut to put somebody into\niottf ~~ •"
  },
  {
   "n": 45,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p45.jpg",
   "text": "40\na strange vehicle, with strange control systems that\nyou've only simulated as about best you can, and no\nvisual simulation available for doing anything out­\nthe-window; you just cannot expect people to stay\nright on top of things when it occurs ir. the first\npart of the flight .\nThis is an ideal eYample ; we\nhad worked and worked and worked and worked and\nworked to have our timing down just rigl:.t. If noth­\ning had happened, we would have had our timing down\njust right and everything would have gor..e just per­\nfect .\nPete would have been right on hi~ checklist\nand blown the cold IR doors right on tirre.\nCooper\nI\nI d have been right exactly on time on g·etting the\nREP out and everything would have gone reach- keen.\nJust that one thi ng, the Horizon Scanner failure ,\nreally threw the skids to the thing and caused us\nto be running sl ightl y late.\nThere was added con­\nfusion in trying to f igure out how to get t hings\ngoing and salvage the whole thing really threw the\nskids to it .\nCooper\nThe REP went out and it continued going out instead\nof slowing down as it should. It conti nued to move\non out at quite a separation r ate.\nThe thing that\nstill has us a little puzzled, instead of slowing"
  },
  {
   "n": 46,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p46.jpg",
   "text": "41\ndown and coming to a null out there, it appeared to\nst art moving somewhat at the same separation rate to\nthe south of us slightly towards a trail position very\nslowly.\nWe tracked it f or a long t ime.\nWe were track­\ning it straight out and then all nf a sudden, it be­\ngan to loop around slightly to the lef t .\nConrad\nIt di d something like I\n1 d never seen before!\nCooper\nI\n1d never seen this happen in the simulator, and\nit still doesn ' t seem quite f easi ble to us that this\ncould ever happen.\nConrad\nOne possible answer, and it ' s r elated to something\nthat we saw later in the flight , Gordo, where we\nalined the platform and had -yaw error couple into\nroll .\nMight not this have given us bad steering in­\nformation as far as our radar needles were concerned\nif the scanner wasn ' t working properly? We didn ' t\nhave the platform alined right .\nWe went along\n30 minutes, almost one- third of an orbit .\nIf we\ndi dn ' t have an alined platform, that would start\ncoupling up in some other axis like roll and we\nwoul d be off in yaw.\nThen when we thought we were\npointing at the pole , we reall y weren't.\nMaybe it\ndidn 1t reall y drift behind us , maybe it stayed out\non our wing.\nWe must have put it out fairly well"
  },
  {
   "n": 47,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p47.jpg",
   "text": "42\nCooper\nConr ad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nout of plane , in that it hung around us so darned long.\nIt stayed with us for 20 orbits !\nWe saw it until the light burned out .\nI t was never\nf ar away from us.\nDuring five night cycles it was\nclose enough that the flashing light illuminated the\nspacecraft .\nAt the proper times, when we would get\nnodal crossing, when we turned around and actually\nsaw the REP it was very close .\nWe thought we were going t o hit i t .\nIt was bright enough t o illuminate the spacecraft and\nthe flashing light r eally impressed me .\nDid you take pictures?\nYes , I think we have some 70- mm Hassel blad pictures\nand I took 16- mm moving pictur es.\nThat was the last of the REP exercise .\nI understand all t he movie film came out, too.\nSo\nyou ' ll have pictures of it.\nAt this point, we wer e rapidly running out of cryo­\ngenic fuel cell oxygen.\nWe decided t hio.t the only way\nwe were going t o salvage the f l i ght waE to stop\nusing it at this rapid a rate .\nWe had to make the\nchoice whether we were going to power down and con­\nt inue the f light, or whether we were gcing to end\nthe flight very abruptly if i t continuEd going down\nwe@t.tf1!9l!l'it~~."
  },
  {
   "n": 48,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p48.jpg",
   "text": "43\nat this rate.\nCooper\nWe had a short discussion on t his and decided that we ' d\nbetter power down and forget the REP because we were\nin trouble.\nCooper\nSo we tearful ly decided to give up the REP and power\ndown.\nHouston agreed with us when we got in touch with\nthem that we had done the right thing.\nThat ended the\nREP.\nWe did see it for quite a few orbits later.\nThen Houston came up with the simulated Agena ren­\ndezvous exercise , which they put on one of their\ncomputers.\nThe three burns they gave us to do went\noff very satisfactorily, the thrusters worked very\nwell.\nThey would not allow us to use anything but the\naft firing thrusters because they wanted to keep the\ncryogenic oxygen in the right position in the cryo\ntanks.\nApparently the burns went to their satisf ac-·\ntion too.\nThey seemed to feel that it put us right\nwhere we should be.\nCooper\nWe tried one of these burns with the Platform Mode.\nIt did not work satisfactorily so I used Rate Command\nConrad\nwhich worked very well.\n1\nWe t ried to take the errors out and thats where we got\ninto trouble.\nWe had about a fo error left and right\nand a fo error up and down , so Gordo fired off the fo\ntG~~FIDE► ,•♦♦ L."
  },
  {
   "n": 49,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p49.jpg",
   "text": "44\nFCSD rep\nConrad\nFCSD rep\nConrad\nleft and r ight.\nWe wound up witr. too much going\nforward and we started to back up and suddenly we\nremembered we couldn't back up so then we\ndecided well , we 'd j ust leave thEi errors on\nthe burn and burn i t the best we could\nbecause no matter what happened He're going\nto translate i nto forward and what we should\nhave done and we didn't think of i t at the\ntime--but you learn--we shouldn ' t have\nburned all the forward--we should have\nburned down to about a foot of what we\nwere supposed to have forward ancl then taken\nout the left , right , up and down and go\nahead and burn the forward again.\nThe updates that they sent you on-­\nThat worked fine.\nThere was no problem.\nWe copied the numbers down, entered the\ncomputer.\nWe had plenty of t i me to make\nthe maneuver.\nWe btuned r ight on the cl ock\nas advertised and we seemed to have gotten\napproximately i n the positi on they wanted\nus to get to.\nWhat burns did you si mulate?\nWell, we did a-- I 've got them right here.\n@oM~lA\nAl"
  },
  {
   "n": 50,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p50.jpg",
   "text": "45\nCooper\nConr ad\nCooper\nConr ad\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nFCSD r ep\nConrad\nco~~r,ocr~r,At ,\nWe did a separation burn and we did a cl osing\nburn and a coelliptic burn.\nThose the ones\nwe did, Pete?\nWell , i t was-­\nWe did not a standard coelliptic--it was\na-­\nNo , we did a maneuver burn , which as--wait\na minute--we did an apogee adjust maneuver\nwhich was a retrograde of 20.1 feet , then\nwe did a phase adjust maneuver which was a\nforwar d burn of 15 feet .\nNo .\nYeah.\n15.8 feet , then we did an out- of- plane\nburn, yawed left 900 of 15 feet and then\nwe did a reverse coelliptic burn- ­\nWe burned- let's see--we burned 16. 4 feet\nforward and we di d four burns altogether.\nAft thruster s for all?\nAft thrusters for all- -on out-of-plane- ­\nand that was the only t ime that we did\never, ever f ly the translat ional l eft ,\nright , up, down thrusters.\nWe used them\nto take out some of the IVI readings there"
  },
  {
   "n": 51,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p51.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nFCSD rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\na couple of times.\nAnd they were very\nstraight forward--left, right , up, down.\nWe even fired the forward-one quick l ittle\nblip.\nWe fired the forward one then we suddenly\nremembered we weren't supposed to .\nWhat kind of visual out- the-window did\nyou see on these translations? In other\nwords-­\nLeft/right lights things up real w?ll- ­\nI could see the glow from the aft--they\nwere- ­\nJ. B. is referring to visual cues )n the\nhorizon and we were on the gages-­\nThey were at night--middle of the night-­\neverything we did was in the middl 1~ of the\nnight--this spacecraft only ran in t he\nmiddle of the night (laughter) .\nI really don't remember making a burn-­\nWe never did anything in the day-­\nYeah, I think one or two of them were on\nthe day side--but by and large-­\nI never did so much night work in rzy- life--\nEONFIDEt~ AL,."
  },
  {
   "n": 52,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p52.jpg",
   "text": "47\nFCSD rep\nConrad\nCooper\n8 .3 RCS\nFCSD rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD rep\nCooper\nFCSD rep\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nCOt~FIDE~~TIAt\nOK- well, I don't think there is much we can\nadd then--did you get all of these readings\nout of-­\n8O-81- 82- 58- 59- 69- Yeah, that stuff works\njust like the simulator.\nWe got the readings .\nOK - On to 8.3 - RCS.\nLet's go into the RCS - yeah, I don ' t think\nthere is anything more-­\nThis is all-­\nYeah, this is all we can do on the REP.\nOK- RCS Operational Checks - We did just like\nwe had planned in our little book.\nWe\nactivated the RCS and Check Ring A and ACME\nand direct--al l three axis- Ring B - Check\nRing Bin ACME and direct--all three axis\nand they worked beautifully.\nHow about the pad checks--were they-­\nNegative\nNo pad checks?\nNot with the sealed system-­\nA sealed system - I'm glad it was-­\nControl Modes - We used pulse and we used\nhorizon scan-­\ntQEt◄Ttl<L"
  },
  {
   "n": 53,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p53.jpg",
   "text": "48\nConrad\nWe didn ' t even check reentry rate command-­\nCooper\nWe used direct, UBed pulse .\nWe uned the\nrate command.\nWe used hori zon scan.\nConrad\nI know what it was--why don ' t you tell\nthem about this--and I ' m going to see if I\ncan get the fuel f i gures-­\nCooper\nOK.\nAnd they all worked very adequately.\nI thought the rate command system, I mean\nthe RCS system was an excellent system.\nIt was really crisp and just really, I\nthought, it was a real good solid system.\nRate command was much more-­\nFCSD rep\nWhat about the retrof ire - how did i t\nhold retrofire?\nCooper\nBeautifully, it was just no effort at all­ ­\nhold-­\nFCSD rep\n+ 1 degree or less?\nCooper\nOh, yeah, easily.\nWe had a little offset\nin number 3 and number 4.\nI could feel\nthem offsetting us.\nI just cranked in a\nlittle bit of RCS :\nBoy, it just glued it\nright in there, it just wasn ' t about -­\nI felt like we could have had four or five\ntimes the offset we had--and never have\n,."
  },
  {
   "n": 54,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p54.jpg",
   "text": "49\nGQt\"EIDE~~TIAt\nFCSD rep\nCooper\nbudged it off there .\nRCS , I mean the rate\ncommand--One thing on rate command before\nretrofire and just after retrofire, waiting\nfor retrojet , and then starting the pitch\nup to go up and roll over inverted and go\nto zero lift , the dual ring rate command\nis just mor e than you can handle. It ' s\njust a lot more than control authority than\nyou want--you tend to over- shoot on things\nbecause there is just so much control\ntor que in there.\nAs I had stated, after\nI f ired retro and jettisoned the retropack\nand pitched up to roll over then from\nther eon I went to si ngle ring pulse, and\nused that.\nReentry rate command--we didn ' t\nuse .\nDirect - used direct t o do the reentry\non single ring direct and used the pulse\nmode from r etrojet to 400K.\nOn the single ring direct reentry did you\nhave--did you feel like you had all the\nauthority you wanted?\nYeah--until very late--as I stated some\ntime down, oh, half way thru the reentry\n,_C~ Ji Hl:EttT"
  },
  {
   "n": 55,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p55.jpg",
   "text": "50\nwhere you really begin to get the high g ,\nafter your high g , in fact, along about\n..\ncoincidental with a real high g, when you\nbegin to get some fairly good oe1cillations ,\nvery r apid rate, I had no problE'ms damping\nthem at all but I didn' t have tt.e time to\nkeep switching back and forth f rom rate to\nattitude and go back to rate anc. damp them\nreal quick and then go back to &.ttitude and\ndecide where I was on the guide and then\ngo back to rate and damp them and go back\nto guidance , so I finally--they got to\ngetting fairly good where I had to devote\na l i ttle bit of time to damping them, and\nI f i nally just went to guidance and stayed on\nguidance andJust flicked over tc single r ing\nrate command to damp the oscillati ons and\nthen used the attitude control i n the rate\ncommand to steer the computer steers .\nWhich\nworked out versJ well and there was--there\nnever was really any oscillating-you never\nreally--I could go to rate on there and you\ncould hardly ever see the rate needles\nCQNftO Etsi:filA L -.."
  },
  {
   "n": 56,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p56.jpg",
   "text": "51\nCOt-ct FID Et'<ITI AL\njiggle--single ring was holding i t just as\ntight as could be.\nRetrofire attitude\n..\ncontrol - I had already mentioned on there­\ndual ring. Rate Command, reentry attitude\ncontrol-- I had already mentioned how we\nshot the reentry.\nNo primary heater lights.\nHeater lights on the RCS - they were on\npractically--we had the heater on 99 percent\nof the whole flight.\nWe turned it off, got\nheater lights on Ring A first, brought the\nRCS heaters on then rechecked-heater light\nwent off and turned the heater off and about\nfive or ten minutes later-fifteen minutes\nlater, the heater light came on and then it\nwas on Ring Band we turned the heater back\non and this went on five or six times and\nfinally we just turned the heater on and\nleft it on the whole flight.\nI monitored\nthe temper~tures f~equently throughout the\nwhole flight in the RCS Ring A - temperature\nran about 70 degrees or about 65 degrees\nand the RCS Ring B temperature ran about\n70 to 72 degrees the entire flight .\nAt\n<::.:.€0►~FIDE~~T IA L"
  },
  {
   "n": 57,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p57.jpg",
   "text": "52\nFCSD rep\nCooper\none time I noted the RCS Ring B was up to\n80 degrees.\nI watched i t quite closely for\na while and then it never went beyond\nthat and came on back down to about 70.\nAnd they stayed there essentia.lly the whole\nflight .\nI think you need thoee heaters\non obviously the whole--all tt.e time--I'd\nnever have any of them off at all now.\nThruster firing colIDllents .\nWhen the RCS\nthrusters fire at night they clank out what­\never you are l ooking at in the night side.\nThe only way you are going to use any night\nattitude reference i s to watct. what you are\ndoing, get l~ned up in a reference and then\nf i re a thruster and pl an on ws.iting a few\nseconds before you can tel l wt.ere you are\nat again.\nThey really light t ~ the place .\nWhen you are firing them at night .\nHow far does the flame stick cut?\nThe plume goes out about-- appear s to go out\nabout 4 feet and the plume is j ust the width\nof the outside diameter of tha.t thruster\nas i t comes out --it has a little bit of ex­\npansion ratio as it comes out and it goes\n-'>►4 FlDEfi~Tfii:l' .;"
  },
  {
   "n": 58,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p58.jpg",
   "text": "53\nFCSD rep\nCooper\nb4~1DEt◄ TIAw\nr ight up just about that size--it grows very\nslightly but not a heck of a lot and so it's\njust about something i n the order of 4\ninches diameter.\nSomething like that--it\nhas little expansion ratio--i t expands as\nit comes out the nozzle slightly, and the~\nit just goes sort of like a column and it\nfans out very slightly but it goes up\nsomething in the order of 4 to 5 feet\ndistance from the thruster.\nDid you ever get any pictures of that?\nNo, we didn't .\nWe had all our cameras\nstowed at the time we got that cranked up.\nWe intended to.\nSystems Shutdown - It\nworked just like advertised and we turned\nthe prop valves off, very shortly then\nit rtms out of f uel and stops firing and\nyou notice that there is a little burning\naround all the nozzles. There we got a little\nresidual fuel--not much--just a little bit-­\nit dribbles and fumes after i mpact- -probably\nvery neglible.\nI don;t really think we got\nthem after impact , I think we got them while\nstill airborne .\nBut they were almost"
  },
  {
   "n": 59,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p59.jpg",
   "text": "54\n8.4 ECS\ni o+◄ FtOEP◄ IIAl\nneglible--you had to really b3 looking for\nthem to tell they were t here .\nThere was\njust a very slight musty odor in there- - fume.\nNot sure-- I'm not sure that p~rt of this\nodor isn't part of t he ablati:1g going on\nbecause fiberglass ablates with pretty\nhigh fume rates.\nSome pretty pungent fumes off­\nab}ating fibe:rgJass·\nThe mobility of the suit is nJ better or\nno worse than any other suit .\nIt--suit\ndefinitely cuts you down and iecreases\nmobility.\nIn anything you do , i t just\nlimits you i n what you can do, limits the\nmovements you can make and I 1:n talki ng about\nunpressurized mobility at thi3 point even.\nWe didn't do any pressurized ·Nork in the\ncockpit but t o unpressurize t ·:1e suit\ndefinitel y cuts you down a gr=at deal in\nyour mobility and where you cm reach and\ntakes up a great deal of r oom.\nPressure ­\nAre they talking about pressurized suit work\nhere?\nWell , since you didn't do any pressurized,\nhow about the\nund and-­\n€'01QF1\nFCSD r ep"
  },
  {
   "n": 60,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p60.jpg",
   "text": "55\na@8t◄ ftef~tJtl\nCooper\nYeah, when you are sealed up in it it gives\nyou about a half a psi in pressure in there\nwhich doesn't decrease your mobility a\ngreat deal over what the regular suit does .\nTemperature in the suit, I certainly\ncan't complain there.\nI had to sort of\neat crow on that.\nThat suit circuit ran\nconsistently.\nWe had to really shut it\ncompletely down to get above 55 degrees\nt emperature on the suit heat exchanger\noutlet and generally it ran around 50 degrees\nwhich just froze my rear off and I had my\nsuit flow . . the general configuration we\nhad was both of us\nf\".ad the suit flow\nrates quite a bit back.\nI had mine clear\nback to almost a minimum position and we\nhad the suit coolant loop shut down to\nwhere it was just about a half to one notch\nopen from the fully OFF position.\nI really\ngot quite concerned that they were going to\nfreeze us to death.\nIn fact one whole night\nside I had my suit inlet exhaust hoses off\nand laying down alongside the seat because\ne ~ as iust too cold in the suit.\nHumidiv.\nC\n►fF 9Et-~,l'AL"
  },
  {
   "n": 61,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p61.jpg",
   "text": "56\nThe suit seemed to run pretty ,iry.\nI wasn' t\nconscious of any great amount of perspiration\nin i t at all. A couple of tim1~s when we\nhad fairly heavy work loads I 1;as aware of\nthe feeling of cool air and folt\nlike it was drying sweat .\nCO2.\nWe got 2\nor 3 indications of CO2 on the PCO2 gage.\nOne thing, whenever a station nends you a\ncalibrate, well, you get a big jump on that\ngage but there were other timeB when we\nweren ' t even near a stati on when that\ngage came up and began to give an indication\nand one time it gave such a poBitive\nindication for quite a period of time that\nwe got a little concerned about i t because\nit was right when all this other stuff was\n'\ngoing, on day 5 and we I d shut c.own control\nsystems had failed and we were destined for\n3 deys of drifting and the PCOr started up.\n~\nSo we pulled out one of the ta;es , one of\nthe CO2 tapes that we had onboard. lt showed\nit was below 2 nun of mercury, below that anyway.\nIt was this usually erroneous €:age .\nThe\nsuit comfort is no darn good.\nIt is worse than any\n~ mNffl>Et◄ llA ~"
  },
  {
   "n": 62,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p62.jpg",
   "text": "57\nother suit but there just isn't any way of\nhaving comfort in a pressure suit .\nDarn thing gives you pressure points and\nbulges and gouges and cuts down, scrapes\nyou here and there, prevents you from being\nable to stretch and scratch and have any\ncomfort.\nThere isn't a;ny comfort in a suit.\nI don ' t give a darn who says so.\nThere just\nisn't a;ny real comfort in a pressure suit.\nIn the configuration that we flew in from\nthe time we got 6-4 GO, our helmets and\ngloves came off--were stowed in the footwell ,\nand they were never put on again until just\nbefore retrofire .\nWe ran the whole flight\nin just the basic _pressure suit torso\nwith the neck dam on and the wrist dams on\nand with the light-weight headset and I guess\nthe comfort was as good as you could possibly\nhave, but it still wasn't a;ny good and we\ncuffed the pressure suits plenty of times."
  },
  {
   "n": 63,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p63.jpg",
   "text": ".\n58\nCooper\nHumidity.\nThe suit seemed to run :pre·;ty d:ry.\nI\nwasn't conscious of any great amount of :perspiration\nin it at all. A couple of times we had fairly\nheavy work loads , I was aware of any :.ittle cool a:ir:'\nand felt like it was kind of drying sweat.\nCO2.\nWe got two or three indications of CO? on the PC02\ngage.\nOne thing, when ever a station gives you a\nI\ncali.brate well you get a big jump on that gage\nbut there are other times when we weren't even near\na statiun when that gage came up and began to give\nan indication and one time it gave such a :positive\nindication\nfor quite a :period of ttme that we got\na little concerned about it because it was right\nwhen all this other stuff was going on, day 5\nand we had shut down, control systems had failed\nand we were destined for three days of drifting and\nthe PC0\nstarted up.\nSo, we :pulled out one of the\n2\ntapes , one of the CO2 tapes we had on board and gave\na check of the suit circuit there and i t showed\nthat it was below 2 millimeters of a,., two milli­\nmeters of mercury was what it was .. . below that\nanyway.\nWe probably assumed it was tr.is usually\n6j@t4FIDE ►◄T IA-4\n,\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 64,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p64.jpg",
   "text": "59\n...,CQt~FH)Et~TIAf •\nerroneous gage.\nThe suit comfort is no darn good.\nIt ' s no worse than any other suit but there just\nisn't any way of having comfort in a pressure suit.\nThe darn thing gives you pressure points and\nbulges and gouges and cuff dam scrapes you here and\nthere and prevents you from being able to stretch\nand scratch and have any comfort .\nThere isn't\nany comfort in the suit, I don't give a darn who\nsays so, there just isn't any real comfort in a\npressure suit.\nIn the configuration that we flew\nin,from time we got our 6-4 Go, our helmets and •• •\ngloves came off, were stowed in the foot well and\nthey were never put on again until just before\nretrofire.\nWe ran the whole flight in just a\nbasic pressure suit torso with the neck dam on and\nwith wrists dams on and with a light-weight head\nset.\nI guess the comfort was as good as you could\npossibly haV@, but it still wasn' t any good and we\ncussed the pressure suit plenty of times.\nThe\ncontrols were good on it.\nNo problem there.\nThe\no Demand Regulator, as far as we could tell, worked\nfine.\nWe had no real occassion to reall y stress\nit much or anything.\nThe suit umbilical was\nBoth my inlet and my exhaust\nalways in the way.\n~~9i►,•f.A~\n2"
  },
  {
   "n": 65,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p65.jpg",
   "text": "60\n•\nmade my whole chest and rib area sor E• f rom the\nmainfol d, the end inside the suit being gouged over,\nbeing cantilevered over and digging in side ways\non me .\nSo, it 's a real pressure point. It was the\nworst pressure point I had were from the suit\nhoses, and I had my suit hoses deliberately longer\n,,\nthan people said they should be so I ~ould get away\nf rom this effect.\nSo, I di d have sla~k to\nprevent\n~hem from getting drug over ·but even so\nthey bothered me.\nFinger tip lights ·,1ere good and\nI kept one glove out and kept it over on a piece\nvelcro o,.l the side to use in the event we had any\nkind of cabin light failures.\nWhen P(~te was asleep\nI frequently used my finger tip lightB on that\nglove to light up some of the gages to look around\nwith.\nCabin pressure sealed off high on our gage.\nThis i s under section 2, Cabin.\nOur CE.bin pressure\nat launch sealed off high at about 5,5, which it\nalways did i n the at titude chamber in all t he runs\nwe made, in fact ,\nin just exactly the same way.\nThen i t bled down slowly t o about 4,9 and never\nbudged from there the whole flight .\nIt stayed\nright there.\nWe never saw one flick out of it at"
  },
  {
   "n": 66,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p66.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\nall.\nCabin temperature ran 70 to 75 degrees and\nhumidity ran about 62 to 67 per cent the whol e\nflight .\nWe have the figures somewhere here.\nWe\ncan get in here and get those out , but we have\nthe figures where we mn daily checkr:i; H.:. 1,~ii ,1 t;\nonce a day and generally two or three times a day,of\nthe wet and dry bulb readings.\nOkay.\nWe have that back in the original check.\nOkay.\nCO2.\nThe cabin, I thought was just really\ngood. It was very seldom that you really got any\nsmell in the cabin at all .\nWe thought the cabin would\nhave a dark green cloud evolve out of it when they\nfinally opened it, but I think the cabin, to the\ntime we landed, was still a pretty fresh cabin.\nIt seemed to scrub the odors, defication odor s\nwould linger on for two or three or four hours\nperhaps , but it even scrubbed those out.\nYou\ncouldn' t smell them at all .\nCO2; we had no--any\nkind of co2.\nComfort day or night.\nThe cabi n\nran too cold at night, particularly when we· were\ndrifting and had some fairly high drift rates\nthe cabin got quite cold and in fact even froze\nup the windows.\nThe cabin fan we never used at\nall until we turned it on just before retrofire;"
  },
  {
   "n": 67,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p67.jpg",
   "text": "62\nabout 45 minutes before retrofire we turned the\ncabin fan on and let it run for about 30 minutes\nand i t decreased the cabin t emperatu:ce about 20\ndegrees.\nGot it down about 50 degre,:)S and then\nturned it off prior to starting retrofire .\nCabin\npressure relief valve; never actuall;r did we . . .\nthe cabin pressure dual regulator, the release\nside of the cabin pressure regulator was the only\none that ever . . . .\nWe never heard the\ncabin relief valve actuate after launch.\nDuring\nlaunch we were going up we heard it moan a couple\nof times.\nThe cabin vent val ve.\nTh•? cabin vent\nvalve, we actuated it on the way down once since\nwe couldn't maintain positive pressu:~e we actuated\nthe vent and the snorkel. Cabin rep:~essurizati on.\nWe never checked it because we didn ' t need to.\nCabin air inlet valve.\nWe actually never ran any\ncheck on it.\nCabin air recirc, we had open the\nwhole time.\nFully open.\nPri mary o2 .\nSystem\nmonitoring, system monitoring was ea:3y.\nPrimary\no2 was very good.\nThe only problem we had with\nit, it kept yawing us around when it was venting.\nWhenever it would get up to vent pre:3sure and\nvent, why, it would give us a bit of a yaw, left"
  },
  {
   "n": 68,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p68.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\nyaw.\nBuild up to any rate you wanted to .\nOver a\nperiod of time , one time we got up to about 12\ndegrees per second.\nYou just sit there, and drift\nit will build you up more, and more and more.\nYou can really hear it pop off back there.\nYou\ncan hear i t \"shhh\". You see this tremendous big\nfiel d of stars go by. If i t ' s in the early or lat e\nnight you just, the whole sky is just complet ely\ncovered with this, just millions of stars.. .part­\nicles, liquid gases ... I guess.\n~uantity measur­\ning system; worked perfectly satisfactory. Flow\nrates were good.\nPressure was . . . pressure was\nfine . It got up; I don ' t think you ever need to\nuse, unless you are doing something like EVA,\nI don't think you ever should consider ever\nusing a heater on that oxygen system because i t\nall by itself fairly rapidly gets on up there to\nboil off pressures.\nBoil off temperatures I\nshould say.\nHow about BJC.Jp, UTE,\nDi d you ever use that?\nUsed O Hi gh Rate when they were purging the cabin.\n2\nIt worked f ine , reset fine.\nWe used i t then for\nlanding.\nManual heater we never used.\nThe controls ;\nwe did very little as f ar as doing anything with"
  },
  {
   "n": 69,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p69.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\n•\nthe\nSecondary O2.\nMine was ope:1, Pete' s\nwas closed the whole flight .\nThat's the way they\nstayed, just like for the check list.\nNever saw\none quiver in either one of them the ',1hole mission.\nPressure stayed right?\nPressure stayed right where it was on launch.\nCO2\npartial pressure.\nThe gauge was some·,1hat erratic\nand gave us two or three readings that we had\nCO partial pressure~one of which we finally\n2\nchecked and found we did not have and so then we\ndisbelieved the gauge . . . :\nAfter that, although it\ngenerally read down at zero .\nCoolant:\nCoolant\nloops worked real fine .\nw~ were -running two\ncoolant loops ON most of the time sin,Je we had fuel\ncells running.\nFor 2 twenty- hour periods we\nhad fuel cell, section 2 of the fuel ,)ells shut off,\nand the coolant loops shut off. In one period of\ntime we had ci rcuit breaker pulled on coolant\nloop\nnumber 1 coolant loop.\nSecondary cool­\nant 1oop , then we were running on pum:? B and with\nbYJ>ass ON.\nBYJ>assing it around so we were heating\nbefore bringing the section 2 back nn the line\nafter long shut down peri od we bYJ)assed the cool ant\nloop, the secondary coolant loop, in order to warm\n-€8-t◄ FID[pqf6tL_ ~"
  },
  {
   "n": 70,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p70.jpg",
   "text": "COt~ft0E~~TIA l\nup the fuel cell section and then went to normal\nconfiguration right on the line.\nEvaporator oper­\nation: for 45 minutes the\nOh, this i s not\nthe suit.\nYes , this ie the water evaporator . 45\nminutes after launch we got yaw deviati ons from\nthe\nevaporator and after that they stopped.\n$ornewhere just slightly beyond 45 minutes they were\ngone.\nBy the time we got around one or bi t anyway,\nI didn't notice any at all .\nWater management .\nWell, we ran the water management in t he normal\nmode all the time.\nIn our configurat i on the normal\nmode is the drink mode.\nWe r an NORMAL, NORMAL,\nNORMAL and OFF the whole time .\nThe only t i me we\nwent to OFF was when we went to over- board and\nthe FLUSH position on the uri ne heater system and\nthey all worked fine .\nNo problem at all, and the\nwater was excell ent water. It was ful l of air.\nIt had a lot of air in i t , a lot of air bubbles ,\nbut they didn' t seem to effect us adversely.\nWe\ndecided to go ahead and just ignore i t and drink\nit and i t seemed to work out f i ne .\nThe wat er was\nreally nice and cold the whole t ime , so i t t ast ed\ngood.\nNo objectionable t aste to i t at all.\nI\nthought the water was excellent .\nHumidity sensor .\n.GON£Hil Et~TJ.il:s"
  },
  {
   "n": 71,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p71.jpg",
   "text": "66\n8,5 Communications\nCooper\nYes, we took it. It worked fine . It dries out\nvery rapidly; you have to refill it with water\nfrequently, but that is no problem.\nThe drink\ngun fills it very readily.\nI t seems to be pretty\naccurate.\nStowage , of course, is always a problem\nand we obtained readings at least once a day on it.\nCommunications .\nInterphone:\noperation and quality\nwere excellent.\nUHF performance:\ncJuntdown\nwas excellent , orbit was excellent, md recovery\nwas excellent, except that nobody was receiving\nour transmitter in the recovery area.\nHowever, they\nwere receiving it back here in Houst)n.\nTwice\nAIR BOSS finally shut up talking long enough, said\n\"some other station calling : me, say\"' , and\nthen immediately he'd launch off int) another long\nspiel and I don ' t know whether he was just drowning\nus out or whether they just never got us.\nAt any\nrate , nobody was getting us, except Houston, a\ncouple of times.\nBut the UHF perfonnance in gen­\neral throughout the whole flight was excellent.\nAnd even AIR BOSS received when we w,~re on our\nway down in the parachute. He got two steers to\nus on the way down.\nVoice tape reco::.-der worked\nwQOhU,IDEN+t1'<~"
  },
  {
   "n": 72,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p72.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\nfine for two cartidges worth and then quit.\nWas i t two or four?\nI don't lmow, it was some l ow number.\nMaybe it was\nfour.\nAnyway, it quit fairly early in the flight .\nThe tape recorder was finished.\nDCS.\nOk8iY, until\nthe last 30 minutes of the flight , the DCS couldn't\nhave been better.\nThe updates were good, the\nground coordination was f ine on i t .\nThe things\nthey gave us to put in the MDIU were given in a good\nmanner and were put in.\nNo problem. Pete got\nthem all loaded in fine .\nNo problem at all\nuntil that last up-date we got from Carnarvon which\nthey updated us with our comput er a~d reentry con­\nfiguration, after we wer e all ready supposed to have\nour last update from Houston and without telling\neverybody to look on his board and see what mode\nour computer was in, he sends this update which is\njust about ... blew our cork there.\nAnd which I\nthink at this point right now, having experienced\nthis one occasion of this happening at the worst\npossible time it could happen in, my recommendation\nright now to flight crews is that they fly the DCS\ncircuit breaker in the OFF position.\nI concur.\nFCSD Rep\nee~◄ F tDe~ Al~"
  },
  {
   "n": 73,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p73.jpg",
   "text": "68\nCooper\nThat's a drastic move to make, but just that one\nexperience was just enough to convince me that if\nyou can' t 100 per cent trust everybody and the\nsystem isn' t going to work, then you just don ' t\ndare trust it at all. I wouldn' t even think of\nnot flying again with that DCS circui t breaker ON .\nConrad\nAt least for reentry.\nCooper\nAt lease in crew ... .\nConrad\nYou couldn't have hurt us any better than by sending\nt hat load up.\nCooper\nReal- time t ransmitter,delayed-time trmsmitter, fine .\nStand-by t ransmitter ... .\nConrad\nWe were out of fuel on Ring A. And we had 4.9 and\n4.6 left in Ring B.\nWhich is good.\nIt says that\nRing A ran out sometime after Ring B ~ame on, which\nsays we went around the world 1 1/2 ttmes and re-­\nentered on Ring A by itself.\nThat's :9retty impressive.\n33 pounds of fuel\nIt al so shows you how much\nfuel we used in Ring B.\nWe tested Ring B and\nturned it off and didn ' t turn i t on u1til sometime\nless than 70,000 f eet and turned it back off again\nat 30,000 feet so we used the majorit;r of the fuel\non RATE COMMAN]) in Ring B from 65 to 30 which says\nit probably fired continuously all thi? way down,\n08-~~FIDE~~T.I•"
  },
  {
   "n": 74,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p74.jpg",
   "text": "69\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\ndamping those rates.\nBut it sure was steady.\nWe\nused almost 80 percent of the , yes, 80 percent of\nthe fuel in Ring B from 65 to 30.\n65 down.\nOn this voice tape recorder. Didn't you say ·it\nbroke after you got 4 tapes.\nYes, what happened was that the thing worked just\n·1ike advertised.\nTwo minutes before the tape ran\nout you get the little flicker on the tape recorder\nl i ght which is now up on the caution and warning\npanel, and at the end of the two minutes the TAPE\nOUT light comes on steady and that operat es just\nas advertised and then one day I put a new tape\nin it and Gordo and I held a big debriefing on it,\nAbout what all our storage was and present\nconfiguration that we were in in the spacecraft,\nand what we thought the six, I mean, 'that the seven\ntroops would want to know about how we were using\nour storage and we thought the best place to do it\nwas in flight right there while we were using it\nand we really put down some good dope and we also\nhad some thoughts on Apollo on the darn thing and\nI figured we talked at least an hour on the thing,\nand I couldn't understand why it hadn't run out and"
  },
  {
   "n": 75,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p75.jpg",
   "text": "70\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nI looked down in there and I marked ·;he t ape, you\nknow with my pencil , and put it back in the tape\nrecorder and turned it on and sure enough it\nwasn' t running.\nThe motor burned ou·; in the tape\nrecorder.\nNow, when I turned the tape recorder\nswitch ON and OFF I could see a slight rise in\nthe ammeter but I think what was happening was that\nwe were getting the amplification part of it, but\nthat the motor to the tape recorder was not running, tt\nwasn't driving the tape.\nThat seemec. to be the\nf ailure.\nWhile we're here why don't you flip back a couple\nof pages while you were out and see jf there is\nanythi ng that you want to add.\nOkay.\nYes ,. Gordo covered the h~ater operation on\nthe ECS.\nOkay, they came on pretty early in the\nflight and we kept checking to see that it was\ntruly working and it was.\nSystem check covered\nthe fumes and we got fumes at 27 ,000 and we were\nvery light because we did have the ... .\nUnder EX:;S I covered how you loved your pressure suit\nfor mobility and comfort.\nYes , okay.\nI won' t say anymore on that.\nFinger tip lights.\nListen, now there ' s a very in­\n.-o►,fJOet>Jflltt"
  },
  {
   "n": 76,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p76.jpg",
   "text": "co~~FID EtiTI-A L\n71\nteresting thing.\nThe finger tip lights were the\nonly darn lights we had in the spacecraft that we\ncould move around, which is ridiculous.\nWe kept\nholding a glove up once in a while looking at lights\nall night because we\nCooper\nThey sure were ... .\nConrad\nWe had the gloves stowed a.nd I broke my auxiliary\nlight because it was too ha.rd to hold there.\nWhen\nI pulled it out, the very first time I pulled it\nout I shattered it a.nd Gordo never used the one on\nhis side because it's just not handy.\nWhat you\nreally need in there is, we've got to quality one\nof those little pen lights.\nCooper\nOne of those little pen flash. lights.\nConrad\nA g.zy- really needs one of those little pen flash\nlights up there a.nd I really wish that we had\nta.ken the ones along but we couldn't get them\nqualified.\nThey had an open switch in them a.nd we\ncouldn't get them qualified for 100 per cent oxygen.\nCooper\nYou really need a little light that doesn' t have\na.n electric cord fastened to it that you ca.n just\ns tick in your suit or on a pieoe of velcro where\nyou can just get to it and use it, you know."
  },
  {
   "n": 77,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p77.jpg",
   "text": "72\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nI\nThere is plenty of time at night when you are\nflying.\nNow the worst thing at all was a guy\nsleeping. If you turn on your instrument panel\nlights it only lights your instrument and the· thing is\nyou are interested in most is that ce,nter panel\nwith the cabin press and the secondary o and\n2\nall these things in it.\nSo , the big thing is\nthat you need an auxiliary light in there, like a\npen light.\nYes, you did.\nThe umbilicals:\nI had about the right fit on the\numbilicals and all that sort of jazz.\nThe cabin\npress was great. .The thing locked up a little\nhigh on lift off like it was supposed to but then\na 4.9 never moved.\nWe covered the co bit. Did\n2\nyou c·over the comfort day night and how the high\nrotation rates that effect us? We m~ver used\nthe cabin fan except just prior to l:Lft off\nwhere it is cal l ed for in sequence SJ1d when we put\nthe cabin cooler to the full cold po::11tion and\nbrought on the cabin f an and fl ew it through\n' -re­\nentry that was it. Primary o did vent quite a\n2\nbit. You covered that.\nYes.\n.:i~\nfid:DE~~Tl&Li"
  },
  {
   "n": 78,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p78.jpg",
   "text": "73\nConrad\nI'm sure that's all for now. It never bothered\nus, of ~\nodor. The normal type venting system\nworked fine.\nCooper\nI covered that on the CO\npartial press . . . .\n2\nConrad\nDid you cover the coolant splashing all over the\nnose of the spacecraft just after adapter sep.\nThat must have been coolant, it's the only thing\nI can think of that wouldn't be frozen up there.\nBut it was liquid and it actually splashed on\nthe nose after adapter sep and retrofire. It\nca.me around behind the spacecraft and I saw it\nsplash and the marks are still on the nose of\nthe spacecraft where it hit.\nWater management\nI thought was great except it had air in it. It\ndid have air in it but pressures were good, the\nwater was cold, it tasted good, but we did have\nair in the water and it wasn't the amount that we\nhad at the factory, but there was air in the water.\nYou could see it when you filled your darn rehydra­\ntable food bags.\nCooper\nYes.\nConrad\nBut, it was good water.\nCooper\nI covered the humidity sensor, we used it ... com­\nmunications, I don't think you say anything but"
  },
  {
   "n": 79,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p79.jpg",
   "text": "74\nexcellent on that.\nConrad\nThey were great. Even the UHF worked wnll.\nI\nmean HF .\nCooper\nVoice tape recorder.\nThen we were on.\nI just\ncovered tha t . It didn't work.\nConrad\nDid you cover the . .. the exact detail s on this\nDCS? How we didn ' t get the light.\nThe only time\nwe didn't get the light.\nCooper\nNo, I didn't cover the details on that Eixcept just\nthat we had gotten DCS unforecast over Carnarvon\nafter when we already had our load in from Houston,\nand then it came on unexpectedly, not ev-en checking\nto see what mode we were in here, We we•re in re­\nentry mode and sent us this DCS updatin€' our TR\nand updating our load, DCS load there, and just as\nhe said he was sending, why rapidly then we switched\nout of reentry to prelaunch but never got any DCS\nl i ght on either the TR or the load.\nConrad\nYes, he s ent two separate commands, and theoretical ly\nthe light should come on each time but I never got\nthe lights, so I'm highly suspicious of what hap­\npened and I've got to have an explanation why this\nload....\nCooper\nWhich he verified to the cores and they checked out"
  },
  {
   "n": 80,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p80.jpg",
   "text": "75\nak0tr4f.lDEt-4TIAL\nall right.\nConrad\nYes, it was address 03 and address 10 and they ver­\nified okay and that seemed to convince everybody\nexcept me that the load was correct and my mistake,\nin retrospect, I should have made them ,transmit the\nload and either satisfied myself that the DCS light\nhad burned out, or that the operation did take place\ntruly in the ma.mter in which it was supposed to\nand it did light the DCS light.\nHe knew the TR\nwas right because he had his TR clock synched in\nwith the spacecraft TR.\nCooper\nAnd he assumed the load was right because he got\nmaps back on it, but ... .\nI'm not too sure I .. . .\nConrad\nYes, that's pretty dangerous. Pretty dangerous .\nCooper\nI think this is it as I just pointed out to J . B.\nand we were discussing in the corridor here, my\nfeelings on it are right now are real strongly, that\nmy recommendation would be to piloia during really\ncritical time periods, \"I'd just turn the DCS\ncircuit breaker off.\" I wouldn't even fiddle with\nit because that one violation that of everything\nwe had agreed on has just completely destroyed my\nconfidence in the whole set up.\nThat's all it takes\nis that one time just to completely foul you up.\n0'8HF+9E►.IW.L"
  },
  {
   "n": 81,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p81.jpg",
   "text": "76\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n~\nIDEtff\nBig Brother.\nYes. sir. I do feel that way, I really do .\nOkay.\nLet' s see, all this real time, delayed time,\nst andby, that all worked fine, I thought.\nYes, we had real little trouble.\nThe coordination with the ground really in general\nwent excellent.\nYes, the only guy that had any problem ,.,as Guaymas\ndoesn't have a command system so, poor old Guaymas\nwas stuck when he was first to pick us up coming\ninto the states with having to call us a.nd tell us\nt o turn on real -time and ack and then th,~ Rouston\npeople would have to remind us t o turn :Lt off again\nbut the rest of the flight the command 13ystem ran\nt hat telemetry and dumped t elemetry and everything\nelse just fine as far as I was concerned.\nWe\nwere glad not to be bothered with it.\nCommunications control and switches.\nThe vjc. Man\nI tell you, that really worked slick, e:ccept those\ndarn rubber guards on there. Those havH got to go.\nYes.\nThe cabin is dry enough.\nThe onl:r reason\nI can see they need them on there is in case you had\na catastrophic water spillage which you do very\neasily have. ...\n£QMF--1De~JIA~·•"
  },
  {
   "n": 82,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p82.jpg",
   "text": "77\nCooper\nYes , I pulled my ear plug and put the ear plug right\nin the bottom of my ear where it was barely hanging\nthere and I could hear anybody calling then.\nThen\nI put the plug back in.\nI thought the quality of\nthe communication.ewas really, as far as we were\nconcerned, in the air a:n:yway, was excellent.\nConrad\nOur beacons worked satisfactorily both adapter and\nreentry, C band beacons most of the time they were\nin the command position, the people used them\nas they wanted them.\nCooper\nLet's see, the sl eep configuration, we covered\nthat, yes, that worked fine .\nConrad\nAntenna selection.\nI went to adapter and I really\ncouldn't tell much different and then we decided\nwe would go back to the check off list which called\nfor reentry. Oh, I know how I got in adapter position.\nCooper\nSomebody asked you .. . .\nOh, it was that test.\nConrad\nYes, it was the UHF test that we pulled and we\nwere switching from reentry to adapter, from\nreentry to adapter, and I finally left it at\nadapter one time and the thing was working just\ngreat as far as I could tell .\nCooper\nYes, it was there for a day or so.\nCooper\nYes, it was there for a day or so.\nI really"
  },
  {
   "n": 83,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p83.jpg",
   "text": "78\nCooper\nYou could dUlllp OUZD or something.\nConrad\nYes, I ... .\nCooper\nBut the neoprene things are hard to see· through,\nyou could actually push them up to the control\nknob to read what you got on there.\nConrad\nLet' s face it Gordo, once we got those controls\nset, we never moved them.\nCooper\nYes, that ' s right,\nOnce you set t hem you very\nseldom ever set them from there on.\nSc,, I guess it\nreally isn' t too bad. It's kind of a :Mickey Mouse\nthing..,, -..net iit works­, I guess.\nConrad\nThose light weight head sets, Those PlEll'ltronic\nhead sets that we had, I don't think 8J'tybody can\nargue about the voice quality and they are really\ncomfortable up there.\nCooper\nYes, and they were really good reception , too.\nConrad\nJust pull a plug out of my ear and l et it hang\nand turn the sleep switch on when I W8J'tted to sleep.\nNever took the think off my head in 7 or 8 days I\ndon ' t believe. I'd sometimes take it off and hook\nit under here for sleeping, but after E1 'While I\njust got so used to having it on my head I just\nunpull the ear plug and let it hang ancl turn the\nsleep switch, and the sleep switch worted great ...•"
  },
  {
   "n": 84,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p84.jpg",
   "text": "79\nc:.COMElllB!PYM•\ncouldn't see, we didn't have too much problem with\nthat, but they wanted it back to reentry and I\npresumed that they will get the right data out of\nthat UHF test to know what's wrong with the adapter\nantennas, if anything' s wrong with it. But we\nstayed in reentry configuration most of the time.\nConrad\nE™ controls?\nCooper\nWe didn't have a:ny problems with i t .\nConrad\nWe had no problems there at all.\n-.;_COMFHDEffFIAA. •"
  },
  {
   "n": 85,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p85.jpg",
   "text": "80\n8.6 Electrical\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nC@ t l ~ l iE t ◄T IA L\nElectrical system monitoring.\nWell, I can't say enough for the fuel c:ells, they\nreally performed they -­\nThey sure did, boy those little rascalEt really work.\nThe purging, I recommend that we changEi those purge\nswitches , and I don't think this is dar.gerous.\nrecommend that we change those purge swi tches to\nthree position.\nMaybe guarded ones.\nYes , maybe\nguarded ones.\nWhat you might do was put a little thrEie position\nguar d there.\nBut that spring loaded business , that Bpring\ntension on those, so I tell you my fingers are still\nsore from doing that.\nI used my toothbrush ... •\nt hat's what I used all the time to purge them\nwith.\nYou had to jack them up with your tooth­\nbrush because we've got them guarded u.nd they are\nspring loaded, and you just don ' t think about it\nbut you just try and hold that spring :'..n that\nposition for two minutes , it's like a :rear.\nParticularly under zero g.\nYou don't have anything\nt o push against.\nE@t l~IDEWI1hL\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 86,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p86.jpg",
   "text": "81\n~'it l'FIOEt•l'fl P 1 ...\nConrad\nSo I recommend they make the purging switches.\nWell, I recommend that they either cane up with a\ngimmick that you can insert on the switches when it\nis time to purge so that you can flip them on and\ntime it and then f l ip them off, or ~beyma.ke the\nswitches three position. Especially in that 14\nday flight .\nYou purge every 6 hours you know, and\nthat's minimum.\nIf you are running higher loads\nyou are purging every 4 or every 2.\nSo, that's\nquite a chore and it's\nlike house keeping.\nThose fuel cells have to be purged and 5 minutes\nof switching is what it takes, holding those spring\nloaded switches.\nCooper\n2, 2 and almost 1, Yes, 2, 2 and half a minute.\n26 seconds. That's really hard on the fingers ,\nhiding behind these guards we have, makes it even\nmore difficult but the guards should be there.\nLet's see , monitoring electrical power remaining.\nConrad\nThere was no big argument there.\nCooper\nNo problem there at al l, just watching the hydrogen\nfa.11.\nConrad\nThey were either there or they weren't.\nCooper\nGround information required to complete mission."
  },
  {
   "n": 87,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p87.jpg",
   "text": "82\neOl <U'IDEl ◄ T I At\nWell, that there again.\nTi-ie cryos were really\nthe only problem we had with electrical.\nThe main\nbat teries ... the times that Pete touched them they\nwere just exactly like advertised.\nConrad\nYes, they were 22½ volts every time we tested them,\nCooper\nNo problem at all. Squib batteries were fine , no\nproblem.\nConrad\nSquib batteries came down about, I would say\n2½ volts during the whole flight.\nWe\nst arted out with a common ccmtrol bus t hat had been\n27½ vol t s and at the end of the flight it was 24. 7\nor something like that, 24, 8 or something. It came\ndown about 3 volts. But one thing that nobody ever\ntol d me, was man, when you fire thrusters and\nthings like that you can see a l ot of t ransients on\nthat common control bus.\nThat thing really gets\nto oscil l ating up and down.\nI wasn' t sure some­\nthing wasn't wrong at the beginning, SlJd I just pass\nthat on as a tip to people who go later.\n8, 7\nOnboard Computer\nCooper\nOn.board computer,\nConrad\nI can' t say too much for t he computer 6ither.\nIt worked f antastically,"
  },
  {
   "n": 88,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p88.jpg",
   "text": "=€8t 4Flli'0@1A1-­\n83\nCooper\nIt couldn't have worked better. It really\ndid.\nConrad\nThe IGS Guidance was indicating everything that we\ndid.\nWe knew that we were going to loft a little\nbit and boy, it showed that we should pitch down\nat second stage and RGS did pitch us down, and when\nit pitched us down and put us on the IGS was\ncentered up.\nI never saw any big needle deviations.\nI didn ' t see this big pitch transient at the end\nof the flight.\nI think it did wander just a little\nbit in pitch but none of this off the scale stuff.\nIt looked like it was on the money all the wey, am\nI felt that if we ever switched we would be right\ndown the pipe with it.\nCooper\nYes.\nI did too. Real good.\nConrad\nIn the insertion, boy, that math flow 6 ca.me up\nwith all the right numbers.\nThe numbers were just\nright. You didn't read the numbers. Where the ta~e\nbegan the numbers were on tbe money.\nAddress 72\nwas 25,808.\nAddress 94 R dot was plus 20 feet :pga\n97 was plus 2 feet.\n52 said we had a perfect\n:insertion that we had no apogee adjust.\nAt perigee\nthere was 00000 and then calculated, even though"
  },
  {
   "n": 89,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p89.jpg",
   "text": "84\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n-e8 tsl □P Fls1TIAL\nwe didn't need one, the directions should be applied\nat 3,042 seconds and the nominal value io ?,008\nseconds and I just don't think you can ask for\nbetter computations than that.\nOkay.\nI think that everything that we did on it\nworked out quite well.\nCatch- up mode worked well.\nThe .... tl:.e one\nthing it did though, there was one ancmaly that\nI saw on there and I almost had a heart attack at\nthe beginning of the flight. Remember, we got\ninto orbit and I don't know whether I did it or\nwhat, but I got in the mo::le where I got the darn\nIVI 's running and it wouldn't stop running, and\nthe worked until I switched into pre- launch nav\nagain a couple of times and I finally got the IVI 1s\nto quit and then I was very careful about how I\ndid any switching after that and I don't know what\nthat was. I'll have to sit down and talk to the\ncomputer people about that. It seemed to me that\nwhat I did ....\nIt happened once more.\nYes, it happened one other time and we got out of\ni t by going to pre-launch and letting it sit for\n• @Ot ◄FID E► ~.tA I"
  },
  {
   "n": 90,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p90.jpg",
   "text": "85\nc€~F,6Ef~ fI\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nawhile and it finally ran itself out and stopped.\nBut it looked l ike the accelerometer bi as took off\nor did something that just made IVI 's run.\nI\ndon't really understand what happened but I wanted\nto note that an anomaly.\nI felt that the thing\nwas running right and that this might have been a\nlittle glitch so I didn't report it to ground\nbecause, well, later on we didn ' t really have any\nneed for catch\nup or anything like t hat and it\nseemed to operat~ okay.\nOkay , let's see.\nOrbit maneuvers.\nI don't think\nthere was\nHow about the powering down and powering up?\nIt shut down and started up d~t as advertised.\nON\nwith the on switch and 18 seconds it went through\nit's self check and the green start comp l i ght ca.me\non green and it did it every time.\nOkey, Orbit maneuvers we have already covered that.\nWe powered it up for all our updates and it accepted\nit every time, llO strain·.\nRetro fire, you got those numbers through,\nWe gave\nthe number to .. . . IVI's after retro fire.\nRead\n269 aft and 10 left and 181 down."
  },
  {
   "n": 91,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p91.jpg",
   "text": "86\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n@@ I 4FIDEr4fliAll\n10 left and 181 dOWl\\, 269 010 181.\nYes.\nAnd as soon as those retro ' s fired the llght came\non green and it went right into reentry ,5',lidance\n. . . reentry guidance\nReentry guidance was right on the money when it came\non, it came on exactly on time.\nRoll neeclle, roll\nbug . . ..\nStopped at 400,000 feet , right at the tine Houston\ngave us our computed time to 400 K.\nAnd the 290 K steering commands came in ~ ust right.\nCame in just where they should, the dir ection they\nshould come in and everything~\nAt about the r ight magnitude • •••\nAnd about the right magnitude.\nThen the problems\nstar t ed.\nAnd tbat was the loose nut on the ground and not\nin the air, f ortunately.\nMDU , t hat worked fine.\nThat apparently worked fine.\nComputer modes. Let' s see, pr e l aunch worked good.\nAscent worked beautiful ly, catch up . . . . Ne didn ' t\nreal ly do any catch up except the one . .. .\n:m O b4 F 19 itL4il.Air"
  },
  {
   "n": 92,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p92.jpg",
   "text": "87\nConrad\nNow, there was one thing there, I don't know if it\nwas the radar or the computer.\nBut, the first\ntime we flew over the Cape and locked up on the\nback up REP on the ground, it read out the\ndigital millage to a gnat's eyebrow. It locked\nup at 248,66 miles and I don't believe it will read\nany higher than that supposed to be 250 , but I had\nthe same number at the other end so I suspect\nthat that is as high as it will read out.\nAnd it\ntracked t hat thing right over the Cape where we got down\nto, I think we got down to .... our slant range at\nthe closest approach was 161 miles or something\nlike that, and everyti.me I punched it up to the\nrange went do'Wl'l. and - ­\nCooper\nMan that was really beautiful, just beautiful,\nThe radar itself stayed locked on for .. . . I felt\nlike you could almost point out the tower it was\nright on the mila.ge mcxl e.\nConrad\nBut in the catch up mode it read out to 248. 66\nmiles both at the start of lock up and the end of\nlock up, and I was really impressed with that. Then\nafter that we always locked the Cape.\nThe r adar\nlocked on like it should on the REP , but we"
  },
  {
   "n": 93,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p93.jpg",
   "text": "88\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\na@Q t 4Ft9€NII • b\nnever got it to read through the compute1r now I\nYes, but my analog read- outs read.\nYes, but wait a minute, your analog readouts only\ngo to 300,000 feet and that's 50 miles El.l'l.d we were\nnever within 50 miles of it, so . . ..\nYes, but they read correctly and I got Hteering,\nradar steering.\nYes, but the analog couldn't have read correctly.\nIf it read anything on your scale it wa.E1 wrong\nbecause it should have read only digital . . . .\nWhat I saw it was showing that it was getting a\nr eading.\nOh, yes, well , there was no doubt that ue were\nlocked up.\nThe R dot was going right on out past there, you\nknow, and then it came on past.\nBut I don't know whether if the problem in the"
  },
  {
   "n": 94,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p94.jpg",
   "text": "89\ndigital read­ out was a computer problem in the\ncatch-up and rendezvous mode of accepting radar data\nor whether it was radar problem, but I ' ll mention\nunder the computer because I sort of suspect it was\na computer problem.\nCooper\nEut I don't understand why it worked so well the one\ntime and the other time it didn't work.\nConrad\nSomething gave out.\nEither in the radar or in the\ncomputer. Well, then we never did get ·to check'- a.ny­\nthing in the rendezvous mode.\nCooper\nNo, reentry ....\nConrad\nWe dan 1t know what the problem was in reentry, but\nI think the canputer did a 40 job it did just what\nit was suppose to do. It just had bum dope."
  },
  {
   "n": 95,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p95.jpg",
   "text": "90\n8.8 Crew Station\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nOkay, control s and displays, sequence telelights .\nThe only comment I have on sequence t el elights is\nthat the comp light on the comput~r is too bright.\nThat 's right.\nWe are going to have to have some way of iimming\nthat or put some tape over it or something, because\nThat 's a comment for GT-6 especially.\nBecause when you are running it at night with the\ncomputer on for rendezvous, that comp light darn\nnear blinds you.\nYeah, it I s really bright .\nThat needs a dim f eature\non i t.\nThe other sequential telelights that are in there\nare all dimable, or turnoffable .\nSay, there is one thing t hat we didn't t r y through.\nI wonder if that thing is on the bright-dim sequence\nWe never did put the switch to dim.\nI never\nthought of it in 8 days eibher. I'll bet you it's\non t he bright-dim circuit, but we never used that\nswit ch.\nWe ' ve never had occassion to ever use t hat\nswit ch.\nYou lmow we always check sequence l ights\nbright .\nSo, that is what that check is f or.\n(laughter)\nCooper"
  },
  {
   "n": 96,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p96.jpg",
   "text": "91\nConrad\nLearn something new everyday.\nCooper\nI didn't think about that.\nConrad\n1 1 11 bet baby it is.\nCooper\nWell , that ' s something somebody ought to check out .\nThis is just a comment.\nConrad\nBut we never did have any reason to dim it in the\nsimulator. You never tried to look out the window.\nCooper\nYou don't have anything to look out the window at.\nConrad\nYeah.\nCooper\nOkay, event timer - - We stopped at 48 minutes after\ninsertinn and never ran it again until we cranked\nit up at 27 minutes prior to retrofire.\nConrad\nYeah, that's right. That was one of those things\nthey had ~s power down.\nWe never powered it up in\nthe flight.\nCooper\nApparently, it is a fairly good power consumer.\nConrad\nBut it worked all right.\nCooper\nThe IVI 1 s worked fine, other than the one comment\nPete made while ago that they were continually run­\nning there for a while. The FDI 1 s\nexcellent.\nRange and range rate indicator worked good on the\nREP, boy, really, really good. It worked very good\non the - -\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 97,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p97.jpg",
   "text": "92\n..\na ef ◄ FIE)l!I ◄ 'Pl~L\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nAnd the analog range was in close agreeme:'lt with\nthe digital range when the REP was going away from\nus.\nYep.\nThe GLV fuel and oxidizer pressure gauges\nworked excellent except for the IPS.\nStage two IPS\nfuel gauge failed to the full max deflect:i.on posi­\ntion just shortly before POGO started, ancl stayed\nin the OFF position until after staging. It came\nback on and worked for about a minute and then went\nback off again. The altimeter worked just like it\nworked in the altitude chamber.\nStopped at 96 800\nfeet .\nIt was very jerky on the wa:y up.\nIt was erratic going up.\nAnd I don ' t guess you ca.n expect a pressm·e alti­\nmeter like that to follow as fast as that booster is\nmoving.\nIt's r eally winding up.\nComing back on reentry, why, we were apparently a\nlot slower on the other aide of it, because it\nunwound in a.n extremely steady manner and it seemed\nto be right with the barostat .\nIt was right on the barostat , actually.\nAnd this is really the important thing."
  },
  {
   "n": 98,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p98.jpg",
   "text": "93\nCooper\nRate of descent - - you know, I even forgot to look\nat the rate of descent.\nConrad\nWell, we didn' t even worry about it. When the chute\nCooper\nWhen the main chute opened as good as i t did -­\nConrad\n-­ out there, t hat we both watched the main chut e\nand I saw the water coming at the corner of t he\nwindow -­\nCooper\nI didn't even think t o look at the rat e of descent .\nI knew it was good.\nConrad\nYeah, we didn' t have a:ny reason to look at it.\nCooper\nI forgot about t hat .\nConrad\nNo, we got busy doing a check there, too.\nCooper\nWell, we were also having a couple of radio calls\nin there and it was int errupting -­\nConrad\nYeah, radio calls , and we knew the chute was good,\nand there wasn't a:ny reason to look at it .\nCooper\nI ' m sure the rate of descent worked all right .\nCooper\nAccelerometer\ni t seemed t o wcr k, fine.\nConrad\nWe 'll look at it the next time.\nCooper\nYeah, okay.\n1 111 make a not e.\nCooper\nThe accelerometer worked fine .\nThe switches and\ncircuit breaker panel s -­\nConrad\nI t's still extremely easy to knock off a:ny circuit\nbreakers -­"
  },
  {
   "n": 99,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p99.jpg",
   "text": "94\n€8 t JFIB Et 4Tl\"'1L\nCooper\nAnyt:iJlle you move around in there.\nConrad\nYou get in the habit of real fast checking that.\nCooper\nI would strongly recommend to anybody in any crew\nthat anytime they do any moving around o::­ turning\naround in the cockpit that they run a c:Lrcui t\nbreaker check.\nConrad\nwe did.\nCooper\nBecause, invaribly, we would always find one off.\nEverytime we would run a check, somewhere or another\nwe would find one knocked off.\nConrad\nWe usally found a reason for it though, t he over­\nhead ones we knocked off with the water gun so we\nstopped putting it up there. And the orni I thought\nI knocked off on the right hand side, I came to the\nconclusion that was one the o\nheater blnw out. It\n2\njust blew it off.\nCooper\nAnd the mirrors worked excellent.\nI must say,\nDeke, you do need that in-flight repair occasionally\nto tighten those mirror -­\nConrad\nYou mean the postlanding kit.\nCooper\nWhew! Gracious!\nI lost my head. The pontlanding\nkit to tighten up the adjustments on thoeie mirrors\nto keep them tight .\nRepair reticle, you know,\nthings like that.\n~J~ilE► ttlAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 100,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p100.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\n95\n-COtrt~IQ itililil·\\ l\nSuit s.\nThe first tlling that happened -- Pete's suit had\nto be repaired.\nSwizzle stick -- I used the swizzle stick for qui te\nawhile to punch off the DOS light when Pete was\nasleep, but, finally, it got to where it was j:ust\neasier to reach over there. I've got pretty long\narms.\nI think most people would probably need the\nswizzle st ick t o get over there to punch it off.\nI never had the occasion to use it.\nThat's the only time I used it. I used it once for\nturning on the ACME power over there.\nBefore we go a:ny further, while I'm thinking about\nit, on the pad out here, you said you could see that\numbilical tower when they started to raise it.\nNo, the erector.\nThe erector. Yes.\nYou could take t he mirror out of the holder and hold\nit at the bottom of the window, and you could measure\nthe distance.\nNow I don't know exactly how high we\nare above the road, but where the road winds up to\nthe pad and makes a left turn in and drive straight\ninto the pad, you could see the intersection of that\nroad. So, I S83 that you can see the ground some\ntet-tPfOEtfF1'tl"
  },
  {
   "n": 101,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p101.jpg",
   "text": "CO~◄ F 18 E~ fFh't-l - ,..\n350 feet away from the booster .\nYou can see ground\nlevel, and we were going to use that procedure if\nwe aborted. We didn't know if we were going to make\na land or a water landing, but we f elt t hat we\ncould use the mirror to see if we were over water\nor over land, at least within 350 feet of the space­\ncraft in the direction of the windows .\nJ didn't\nuse the mirror on the water landing out c~er Bermuda,\nbecause I oould see the water out of the corner of\nthe window by just putting my head up and peering\nat it - - in the two-point attitude. I could see\nthe water coming.\nI knew we were fairly low.\nAs\na matter of fact, that altimeter was just about on\nthe money, wasn 1 t it?\nConrad\nWe were at just about zero feet when we hit the\nwater.\nWe had a good altimeter setting.\nCooper\nAlmost exactly zero feet.\nConrad\nTh.is is what McDivitt said. Don't go on that 29 .92.\nThey gave us a 30 .10 altimeter setting, and when it\nread zero we were on the water.\nCooper\nYes, that was a real good one.\nConrad\nSo , I recommend they stick with this -- giving the\naltimeter setting in the recovery area be,~ause it\ncan make the difference of a co~ le of hundred f eet .\n'€01'1FtDEl\"~TIAt"
  },
  {
   "n": 102,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p102.jpg",
   "text": "97\nCooper\nOkay-, radar. Warm up time -- we don't have any\ncomment on that?\nConrad\nNo.\nThat was straightforward.\nCooper\nAcquisi tion range -­\nConrad\nIt acquired in excess of 250 miles and read at\n250 miles.\nCooper\nThat's that. Acquisition attitude -- well, at one\nti.me I thought we were out of attitude, and it still\nwas reading right on, locked up.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nEase of lock on -- good. Capability of holding lock\n-- it seemed to hold lock very well. Flight display\nConrad\nI t was fine. All you needed.\nCooper\nRadar tests generally -­ from our point of view it\nwent very well. We never had any false lock problems\nat all .\nWe didn I t really give these a fair shake,\nhowever.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nBut, from the testing that we did, we encountered\nno false locks.\nConrad\nWe didn't get a false lock when we turned around\nand looked at the REP.\nCooper\nNo, we didn't ."
  },
  {
   "n": 103,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p103.jpg",
   "text": "98\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n@ 0+4Fl !J! l ◄ if 11'L ,...\nWe t urned around and we waited unti l 1 mjnute was\nover, and banged on the radar and it didn ' t take t his\n23 seconds or anything.\nI t just bammed. It just\nlocked up on us right t here.\nLocked up instantaneously.\nThere it was. No doubt in your mind.\nLighting, indicators, and instruments.\nOkay, there's a def iciency here.\nYou need to see\nthat center instrument panel, and\nYou need some kind of glow.\nYou need some kind of\na little glow down t hat center instrument panel to\nbe able to see that t hing.\nThat thing is really\nblack . Without bringing that big darn\nI really don't underst and why those guys took that\nr ed center light out.\nWhil e we are talking about lights, let's see if we\ncover that. No, we don't. But there is a real\nsafety-of-flight item in t hat cockpit\nlighting.\nThat is, if you leave a:ny one of these lig·hts on,\nand, in particular, the big bright center light\nwhich is the landing light -- I think it is on\nther e\nin the light solenoid area, the reostat,\nyou build up a heat thing that is actuall;y- to the\npoint of being explosive.\nI t actually gets to\n•eet*t8i ~q;rw.L"
  },
  {
   "n": 104,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p104.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nwhere it will burn --\nYes , you could smell paint.\nIt burns the paint in the spacecraft .\nYou can smell paint cooking. That's the first\nthing that we noticed, the first day.\nI 'll tell\nyou what heats up. It's the reostat . Well, the\nthunderstorm light th.at Gordo 1 s referring to doesn't\nhave a reostat. That just flat puts out heat.\nIt just flat puts out heat. You can burn your\nglove right off your hand on th.at one.\nYour under-window right and left lights -- if we\nran those at great periods of time with the light\ndimmed down, th.at reostat gets so bloody hot th.at\nyou can smell the paint cooking again.\nI felt that\nthat was a real bad sit uation and we have comments\non th.at --\nSo we kept rotating these lights on and off.\nWe never did burn our lights too steadily unless we\nabsolutely had to .\nThe other problem there was that\nanything that generates th.at much heat is going to\nhave a tendency to burn out, and I 'll tell you, you\nlose one of those cockpit lights, buddy, and you\nare screwed.\nYou really are.\n,QNFl9Et ◄ TIAL.21a\n99"
  },
  {
   "n": 105,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p105.jpg",
   "text": "100\nConrad\nI had already busted my au.xiliary light a.nd if I would\nhave burned out the light on the right i :'.lstrument\npanel, we would have had to rtm that center light a\nlot, and I don' t think that center light would have\nlasted either.\nCooper\nNo. I think that whole center console area is a very\nweakly lit area. It could certainly stand a very,very\nfaint soft light. When you are rtmning 1mder night\nlight conditions you'd be able to see thn radio swit­\nches and this type of thing.\nLet' s see, indicators and\ninstruments-­well t of courset a pet peeVE! of mine is\nthat we couldn' t get EL in the 8-balls .\nI still think\nthe 8- balls could certainly be lit a lot better, al ­\nthough they are satisfactory for what we' ve got.\nI\nthink the-­\nConrad\nWe really didn't use that except during lift- off and\nreentry, but it does shine.\nMine shines in your eyes,\ndoesn' t it?\nCooper\nYes, there is a real bad f eature in the cockpit in\nthat a:ny lighting at all, either one of the right or\nthe left lights- say Pete turns his right light on,\nparticularly-­if I'm trying to look through the reti­\ncle, it just zaps. It's gone.\nCan't see a thing in"
  },
  {
   "n": 106,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p106.jpg",
   "text": "•\n101\nthere with a.ny light on in the cockpit.\nIn order to\nuse the reticl e , you have almost got to dim out all\nthe lights in the cockpit, and this is pretty ha.rd\nto do because you need to use some around.\nConrad\nAnd, you know, they bad a light down on the center\npedestal shining aft that was supposed to light up\nthe water management panel, and everybody took it out.\nYou have to do most of your work on that water manage­\nment panel blind.\nI mean, you sort of put your hand\nin there backwards and everything, and, as long as\neverything runs all right, you only need that one\nswitch to go from off to overboard.\nThe other two\nswitches stay in the normal position unless you have\nsome sort of problem.\nBut it would be nice to light\nup that whole area down there. There is no way,\nwithout a flashlight or pulling that auxiliary light\nway over there, to tell how much water you have in\nthe water tank.\nCooper\nI don't think you can tell with it. I took that\nauxiliary light and got back in there and practically\ncrawled down in there.\nWith that darn M- 1 experiment\nthing installed on t0p of the tank there, you can't\nsee the water level bubble anymore.\nThey installed"
  },
  {
   "n": 107,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p107.jpg",
   "text": "102\n-\nPete's M- 1 experiment right on top of the water tank\nwhere the water level bubble and the mea3uring gauge\nis. It' s built right on over it, so you can' t see it.\nConrad\nWe used every combination of l ights in t:1ere that you\ncould think of, depending on what we we:re doing.\nSometimes we ran with Gordo--if one guy was sleeping,\nthe other guy would run with his red lights on dim.\nAnd many nights, we ran with no lights at all.\nWe\nhad that much confidence in things like 1!abin pres­\nsurization and so forth, that we just powered down the\nlights and we would go through whole night sides without\never turning the lights on and never even looking at\nthe instrument panel when we were in dri::ting f light.\nWe would both nod or look out the window.,\nCooper\nOr sleep.\nConrad\nYes, and one of the reasons we did this Has because\nof this heating problem.\nI had a decided fear that we\nwould be in real trouble if we burned ou·; any light.\nWe had no way of replacing them.\nSo, an;:r time I\ncould conserve elect rical lighting, by saving the\nbulb, I would turn the thing off.\nI didn' t want to\nbuild up big heat loads in them.\nWe ran red lights,\nwe ran white lights, we ran the center lights only,"
  },
  {
   "n": 108,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p108.jpg",
   "text": "-e@NPl8ENTI\n103\nwe ran the left side only, we ran the right side\nonly; we ran them in a:ny combination you could think\nof, just dependent on what you wanted to do with them.\nSometimes you needed lights in the daytime, sometimes\nyou didn't need lights in the daytime. It depend s on\nwhat your orientation ~a9 and what you were doing.\nThat was very interesting. It's an entirely lighting\nsituation than in an -ai-rplane.\nCooper\nLet ' s see. We checked out the one light that we hadn't\nmentioned here.\nI think we mentioned all of them ex­\ncept the doggone docking light. We did check it out,\nand it really throws out a nice light out there.\nWe\ndidn ' t have anything to try it out on out beyond the\nnose, but it sure lights up the nose.\nAs a matter of\nf act, on that onenlght side we kept wondering where in\nthe heck that light was com.;_ng from.\nConrad\nI kept saying, \"Hey, the sun is really shining on the\nnose for a long time. \" It was the night I blew up the-­\nCooper\nWe were pointing straight up.\nConrad\nYeah, I 'd blown up the shrimp and gotten it all over\nthe right console, and when I was cleaning it off, I\nhad inadvertently turned on the docking light switch.\nIt took me about 10 minutes looking out there trying\n.."
  },
  {
   "n": 109,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p109.jpg",
   "text": "104\n-€0i'IFID Ef~TIAt\n­\nto figure out what the heck it was shinjng out there\non the nose . It finally came to me in a. flash that\nthe docking light was on.\nNow that is another thing-­\nI don' t know how they covered that REP with the re­\nflective t ape, but, man, that thing wa s bright!\nCooper\nAll you could see was the light.\nConrad\nNo, I mean in the daytime.\nCooper\nOh yes.\nConrad\nIn the daytime with the sun shining on that thing, it\nalmost burned a hole in your head.\nBoy it was bright!\nCooper\n\"{es, actually-­\nConrad\nIt looked like a little sun out there.\nCooper\nPete went into it deciding that he was n~ver going to\nsee it in the daytime, and I think he ha1i a big sur­\npri se.\nI was determined that we were go:Lng to see it.\nConrad\n.And we did see it in the daytime, several times after\ni t had gotten a fair distance away from us, I ' d say\n2 or 3 miles away.\nCooper\nIt was bright. It was almost brighter on the day­\nsi de than it was at night.\nIn fact, it was so bright\ni t would blot out those blinking lights.\nConxad\nYes, that' s right.\nThe REP, itself, was bright enough\nand reflective enough that it would blot out the"
  },
  {
   "n": 110,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p110.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\n-ee,Nfl!)f!l!fftlrt 2\n105\nflashing light, but there were times when we saw it\nclose enough in the dayside that we could see the\nflashing light. it didn ' t get that far away from us,\nand thats why I st ill challenge this 375 miles-­\nYou aren' t going to see that dipole as long as we did.\nThe last time I saw that thing, I was still seeing the\ndipole antenna.\nThat' s right.\nThat's the last thing I saw.\nYou aren't going to see that dipole at several hun­\ndred miles.\nThat ' s right, and we saw it in the daytime.\nYes.\nAnd it was on the 5th or 6th orbit.\nOkay, utility light, interior lights, outside lights­\nTalking about outside lighting from external-­\nWe didn ' t have any flashlights .\nAll we had was the\ngloves.\nIt says glove. It should be glare.\nGla.re--well, anytime the sun comes whopping in the\nwindow there, you are going to really have a gld,re\nAnd anytime you are sitting there watching the earth,\ntracking a target down on the earth, and you suddenly\ncome back into the cockpit, you aren' t going to see a\nzCOt'4fK)itsl11.,tfLP"
  },
  {
   "n": 111,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p111.jpg",
   "text": "106\n@9 ► IEll;l Ii~ 111..\\L\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nthing.\nYou are completely blinded because when you\nhave gotten used to the outside--sunlit earth--and\nyou come back in.. the cockpit, it takes a few seconds to\nadapt to seeing things inside.\nIntensity controls--! think they were f:.ne.\nI thought\nthey worked pretty well, and I must say1, as Pete\nmentioned, I did like those red lights very well.\nFingertip lights-they worked out all r :.ght.\nA\nflashli ght would have been better, but t he fingertip\nlights are f ine.\nOnboard data-\nFlight plan strip we r eally didn' t use, We used our\nown checkoff list, because all we had on the flight plan\nstrip was checkoff lists.\nYou couldn't read it at night,\nand we just put something on there beca1::se it was\ngoing to be in the spacecraft.\nYou didn' t use it?\nI set it up in the proper places, but ar.ytime I really\nused a checkoff list, I used this one right here.\nAnd\nI think that one is going to be replaced by a clock.\nYes . Checkl ist cards- ­\nI can't say too much for them.\nThey are really good.\nWe beat them over the head and we reworked them and\nEO♦~liiM-iJiO.L"
  },
  {
   "n": 112,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p112.jpg",
   "text": "107\nreworked them.\nI lmow we drove thos e guys nuts down\nthere, but I 'll tell you, there are darn few things I ' d\nchange on these set of cards right now, after having\nflown the flight .\nThey really helped us. And the\nexperiments book helped us and the log book worked\nwell, and I think we kept things fairly straight.\nCooper\nIn general, I think the books worked out very, very\nwel l .\nConrad\nOur big flight plan book worked out well, it didn't\nget in the way .\nOur reentry book, I t hink, could be\nmade smaller.\nI would recommend next t i me that they\nput the schematics together like Neil did in the GOH\nJunior, which turned out that he had the schematics\nin a b◊Ok that was 10 inches high and 2 1/ 2 inches\nwide and about 1/ 2 inch thick.\nJust by folding them\na certain way, and this you would put away and never\npull out.\nNow, everytime we hauled out that reentry\nbook to do anythi ng, we had all the schematics and\neverything.\nWe really didn' t need to haul those\naround all the time.\nWe could have found a proper\nplace for them.\nSo, I ' m not complaining against the\nreentry book and I wouldn' t take anything out of it.\nBy golly, we used everything in the books.\nWe looked\n€O ► 4ft90tt1 A1,-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 113,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p113.jpg",
   "text": "108\nat schematics when we were up there. Don't think we\ndidn't with the troubles we had.\nWe used everything\nin that reentry book.\nThere is only one book that we\ndidn't take out of its holder and that w~s the REP\nand that is because we gave up the REP, or we would\nhave used that one. And this big flight plan like this,\nI'd recommend that you make it even bigger. You've\nseen how much writing we did in it. I recomment that\nyou use the same procedure of keeping a log book and\na flight plan, because two guys are working all the\ntime.\nYou put it down in the log book and then you\nwrite it down in the flight plan, and this helps you\norganize it.\nBy writing it down in the flight plan\nis when we really recognized just what we had tc unstow\nand how we had to put it together to make that series\npass work right. It took us three days to do that.\nWe still spent a lot of time thinking about this.\nThe\nmaps--boy, that's another thing.\nIf we didn't have\nthat map, we wouldn't have known where in the hell we\nwere.\nCooper\nYes, that orbital map-\nConrad\nThose map updates were the greatest!\nCooper\nI'll tell you the map that was the useful one was the"
  },
  {
   "n": 114,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p114.jpg",
   "text": "109\nConxad\nCooper\n-.\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConxad\nCooper\nConrad\nD- 6 map that Harry Kozuma had in there.\nYes, we used this one, too.\nYes, this big map that he had in here.was really a\ngood one.\nYes, that helped you even better find out where you\nwere.\nMan that's a good map.\nFor instance, over here, we\nwere over here trying to find some details on some\nisla.nois.\nWhere was it?\nYes, you could go to this map and get an orbit and come\ndown to-­\nOh, islands or something off here.\nLet' s see, where were\nthey? Some of these little islands right here, off\nIndia-\nWe could pick up these little tiny chains and these\nthings.\nThe Solomons and these little messy things\ndown in here- boy,. and all this stuff out in here.\nHere\nis all that junk we kept passing over in there-\nYes ! We were getting the New Hebrides, the Carolines,\nand the Marshalls.\nWe were going over everyone of\nthose darn islands, just like on our maps, boy.\nJust\nbeautiful.\nAnd you could really pinpoint your location.\nThat"
  },
  {
   "n": 115,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p115.jpg",
   "text": "110\nee1<Wl\"Er 4TIAL\nr eally impressed me.\nCooper\nHere is where we did all t he photographing.\nConrad\nYes, that' s right .\nHere is where we photographed\nAustralia one day.\n(Much Laughter)\nCooper\nWe were photographing the hell out of Australia coming\nright down across here.\nThen we thought, well , that' s\nodd.\nNever had noticed that. Where is that island\noff here? Well, that does look kind of like Sumatra\ncoming across there.\nAnd there is another big island\nand I thought, well, darn, I know there isn't another\nbig island coming off there, and it was Borneo, and\n~\nhere comes Austral ia.\nFortunately, we had the\ntime on it, so somebody can go back thro·igh and\nreconst ruct wher e we really were.\nConrad\nI was trying to find where we struck out Australi a and\nwrote down Palestine.\nCooper\nPal estine.\nDear me. We had two cameraB going just\nas fast as they would click.\nYou know, elicket y\nclick click. Nobody had gotten aerial photographs of\nAustralia before during the daylight.\n.\nConrad\nListen, I t aiLked to Paul Backer and he t old me the\n16mm film came out great.\nSo, maybe we got t he REP\npi ctures, too.\n,,.COMFfOtf"
  },
  {
   "n": 116,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p116.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\n11 1\nOkay, maps and overl ays--they were really good.\nD-6 books and the data books were good and we used\nthe star charts-­\nThe onl y maps I thought weren't worth a darn were\nthe Apoll o landmark maps.\nYes , well you'll get to debrief on that through\nApollo in here. But our straight data books and\neverything-­\nYes , they were good.\nWe used .all of them.\nNo comment on them.\nWe took the experiments procedure book and the ex­\nperiments log book just like this , and whoever had\nthe watch side put them in the Volkswagen bag.\nWe ' d\ntake the reentry book, which we had the PLA updates\nin, and the other book, and we woul d just throw the~\ndown between our legs. If you wanted to l ook at the\nf l ight plan you would just f lick it up, grab it, and\nread the thing, and throw it back down there again.\nThere was enough r oom so that Pete kept them on the\nside of his left l eg, and I kept them on the sid.e\nof my right l eg, and we woul d just pass them back\nand forth.\nOkay, start charts--by gol 1y, I thought they were"
  },
  {
   "n": 117,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p117.jpg",
   "text": "112\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\n-\nr eally good, and I think anybody that wants to get\nlined up for a night retro, if they do :_t once and\naren't convinced that star charts were pretty use­\nful they're -­\nWell, it gave us a great deal of confidence to go\ninto the star chart the last day and pic:k out the\nright yaw stars, and then, as we were aJ.ining the\nplatform, to see those yaw stars go right through\nthe middle like they were supposed to.\nI think the star chart was very usable snd very neat,\nmuch smaller and neater in this fashion than it is\nin this great big mechanism thing we hav-e.\nI think\nthey're very usable in that fashion.\nStowage. Hah!\nWhat are we supposed to say about\nstowage? Boy, it's probably the most critical thing\nin a long flight . It has to be kept up on an hourly\nbasis.\nBelts and harness-- I thought they were\nperfectly satisfactory, except for one set of bel ts\nI wanted to get out before the flight and if I were\ndoing it again, I'd take my own scissors down there\nand cut them out. That is the knee belt which was\nput in there for pressurized ejection.\nIt is still\nin there, and it is in the way, and I hated the darn\nthing.\nMine flopped and f l apped around in there."
  },
  {
   "n": 118,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p118.jpg",
   "text": "113\nI final ly took them and gouged them down in al ong\nside the seat. I took my scissors and cr ammed them\ndown in there, and that is where they stayed the\nwhol e flight.\nConrad\nYes , I 'm not convinced they are necessary.\nCooper\nThat knee restraint belt was put in there so that\nif you were ejecting at high al titude and you came\nout in a pressuri zed condition - -\nConrad\nI think the arm restraints ought to be l ooked at the\nsame way.\nCooper\nMy arm restraints stayed in the down position, I\nl aunched with them down, I r eentered with them down,\nand they never came out of the down position. They\ncould have saved a good 2 or 3 pounds of weight on\nmy seat by taking my arm restraints out.\nI t old\nthem that before and they said, \"Well, they wouldn't\never be abl e to get them of f . \" You know the seat\nwas out sitting over there and I coul d have removed\nthem my~el f in 5 minutes when we were in Weight and\nBal ance .\nThey said the paperwork involved in re­\nmoving them would probably take a year. So,' those\ntwo items I f l ew with I thought were compl etel y\nworthl ess .\nAnd the lifevest­ - I don ' t know what\nyou are going to do better.\nI really don ' t"
  },
  {
   "n": 119,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p119.jpg",
   "text": "•\n114\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n•\nhonestly !mow what you are goi ng to do better because\nof the ejection situation, but they are in the way.\nThey are in the way of everything you do, and they are\nreal little bearcats to get on and off---these little\nlifevests.\nWe didn't have a place to stow them.\nYes, we left them on the whole darn time just because\nwe didn I t have anywhere to stow them.\nllut they are\nreally in the way.\nThey are a real pail'.. in the rear.\nYes, it' s all part of the suit combinatjon.\nWell, that's right.\nIf you didn' t have the suit, they wouldn.1t be so bad.\nWaste disposal- pack harder.\nYes.\nPack tighter.\nThat's a very grave problem, in the\nf act that as you start getting defecaticn wastes of this\ntype you want an area where you are not going to mix­\ning that with other items too much, and you want an\narea that you start packing right the first time so\nyou don' t have to keep dragging it all out and repacking.\nI don't !mow how you are going to do it any differently\nthan we did~in keeping one area completely open for\nit, and just working and using that for your disposal"
  },
  {
   "n": 120,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p120.jpg",
   "text": "115\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\narea.\nHow about urine?\nThe urine system worked just great.\nExcept for one problem. It leaked on occasion, and\nI really attr ibute that to the fact that this rubber\ndevice gets covered with tars.\nI cover ed this pretty\nthoroughly with the doctors .\nI recommend that you take\nnew urine rubber receivers along, one per each day of\nthe flight .\nWe had four along and we changed t hem\nevery two days.\nThey get gummy and tarry and they\ndon' t have their holding power and urine tends to\nflow back.\n•\neeft#AD Ei<I Tt,o, L"
  },
  {
   "n": 121,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p121.jpg",
   "text": "116\nC:@l ◄i IOLN IiAt\n­\naround the side.\nThat is what i t amounts t o.\nCooper\nYes.\nConrad\nWe never had any t r ouble with them when w1~ put on a\nnew one.\nThe new one would l ast about a day before\ni t would start getting gummy.\nWe t ried everything\nto keep them clean.\nCooper\nIt would get gummy.\nConrad\n...wipe on them and we left them unrolled so that\nt hey would dry out.\nCooper\nThe rubber gets so gummy you can put the t wo together\nand they just stick together. It gets all gummy and\nsticky. It may be a better material is available .\nConrad\nI still think i ts the urine t hat does i t .\nCooper\nThat ' s what I'm saying.\nThere may be a better material\navailable that the urine won ' t effect that way.\nThe\nurine is eating into that latex--its late~ rubber ,\nI suspect .\nEither carry more good ones al ong or\nget a better materi al to use .\nThat should have been\nevaluated by CSD.\nThey should have determined that\nurine does effect them and makes them go to pieces\nin a hurry.\nConrad\nYes , I ' m not sure they don ' t even wash then out\noccasionally.\n.."
  },
  {
   "n": 122,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p122.jpg",
   "text": "117\nCooper\nTwo other things we have is that you leave preheat\non for 4 minutes prior to flushing.\nWe got one\nt remendous big glob of urine ice that broke off\nsometime about the fifth day.\nConrad\nOh, yes .\nCooper\nAnd, man, that indicated that it really buil t up .\nIt must have been as big as that box there.\nConrad\nIt looked like one of those sand castles you build.\nIt was a conical buildup of ice .\nThe liquid\nhad flowed out . It kept building up and building\nup .\nBut it was still flowing out through the center\nlike a volcano.\nThe darn thing broke off one day\nout there , and, boy, I tell you that thing was about\nthis big around and it was about 3 and 1/2 inches\nhigh. It just went floating right by the spacecraft\nand it was pure yellow. Ha, ha!\nIt was about 3 by\n4 by 3 or 3 1/2 or 4. About 3 inches in diameter\nand about 4 inches high. It was triangular, dribbled\nup, rough shaped, but you could see where it was smooth\non the back side where it had actually s tarted to\nfreeze. Boy, that scared us .\nWe didn ' t want the urine\nsystem to freeze up so we went to 4 minutes.\nWe used\nthe recommended McDonnell procedures and we revised\nthose slightly when we found out the tar was beginning\n.CO ~4 FIB l!r 4ih',I&"
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   "n": 123,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p123.jpg",
   "text": "118\neO ►+Ft0Etrff~\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n8.9 Biomedical\nCooper\nto gum up the little valve too .\nThe little relief check valve .\nWe ' d built up a pressure in there when you would\nstart to UJ1inate in that thing.\nWe would open it\nup and dump for 30 seconds after we went through\nregular dump cycle and evacuated the bag.\nWe\nwoul d open it up to the cockpit and let it dump\n30 seconds which is what MAC recommended .\nThen we\nwoul d sit there and cycle it on and off a 1d have\nthat vacuum suck around down on that valv,~.\nOpen and close that valve dry.\nWe cycled it three or four times rapidly with the\nvacuum opening and closing it and then we shut the\nsystem down.\nI don ' t know whether that helped or\nnot.\nWe had the impression that it did.\nIt made us feel better about the whole si·;uation.\nAt least the thing worked the whole time .\nMedical Data Passes--They weren' t really too big a\nproblem.\nThey' re necessary.\nI guess they are as\nminimum in interfer ence as you can get thEise medical\ndata passes .\nThey weren' t too bad .\nI tal ked to\nChuck Berry this morning about it. I thir.k that\ngetting the food down into a better type i:.ystem where\n~\n10E\nL\n•"
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   "n": 124,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p124.jpg",
   "text": "€9~J f lil E► ll bt,L,\n119\nyou give the pilot more option in what he eats\nrather than t ry to give him meal A, B, C, D, E, F, G\nis going to alleviate their problem as well as the\npilots a great deal .\nIt ' ll make i t easier and t ake\na lot less t ransmitting.\nThey were thoroughly\nconfused by this numbering system.\nIt made it\nmore difficult f or them to keep track of what we\nwer e eating.\nThe excersior worked fine .\nNo problem\nat all .\nI n f act , I used that exercisor a lot of\ntimes other than medical passes.\nMy lcnees got\nhurting me .\nAbout the t hird day they really start ed\nhurting.\nSo I started using the exer ci sor\nregular and found that it helped.\nPete did t he same\nthing l ater when his-­\nConrad\nI didn' t use it as much as Gordo did, but I did\nuse it for t he same reason.\nBoth my knees got\nsore from being bent all the time .\nFor some reason,\nI don ' t know why, it settles in your knees .\nI\njust found out that maybe once or twice a day with\nthat thing in additi on to the medical dat a pass elimi­\nnated the whole thing.\nCooper\nYes, it real ly helped.\nFood and water evaluation.\nWe have already evaluated the water .\nThe water was\nexcell ent .\nHaving cold water is really a luxury.\n€ O ► 4Fl&li ► 1lhtll\n•"
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   "n": 125,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p125.jpg",
   "text": "120\n:ti 0t ◄ fl8Et ◄ T1)!(~\nIt i s sure different than Mercury.\nThe food just\nboil s down to the fact that we quit eating the\nbite size food entirely.\nWe had absolutely no desire\nfor it after the third day.\nI doubt whet·:1.er\nwe\ntouched a drop of that bite size food affor t he\nthird day.\nWe ate s t rictly the rehydrated food.\nIf I\nwere sitting down r i ght now to redo this\nflight, I would make up a recommendation ::or the\nfood .\nI would have a number of bags made up just\nthe size of these rehydratabl e bags .\nBagi; that\ndon't have to be folded, crushed, rolled, or steam\nrollers driven over them.\nI ' d make up these packets\nof eight , ten, or f i f teen or whatever the neatest\npackage with a zipper or a velcro on it if:.\nI ' d\nput those in there and let the pilot pick out what\nhe wanted for a meal.\nHe could pick out one or two\nor three or whatever he felt like he wanted for a\nmeal.\nHe could do the same with the juices. I'd\nhave other bags in with just juices.\nWe ' d have a\ngreat many juices all stacked i n there , and they\ndon ' t have to be all folded and crumpled up.\nI\nthi nk they will probably package a lot neater this\nway.\nYou just have two types of bags.\nYou'd have"
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   "n": 126,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p126.jpg",
   "text": "121\niO ► IE1Qfti&i\nfood bags and juice bags .\nAnd then I'd have another\nbag just full of these wet wipes .\nI f somebody\nwanted a wet wipe they could go in and get a wet wipe .\nThey wouldn ' t have to be handed back and forth ,\nback and forth .\nThey wouldn ' t be hanging all over\nthe cockpit.\nAnd that way you' d have a very neat\nset up .\nYou wouldn' t have a lot of food that is\ndifficult to stow.\nThe big difficulty in st owing\nthis food is the paper.\nThis makes the bulk.\nAll this tinfoil and other· things wrapped in\nindividual plastic and then more foil and a great\nbig package holding the whole thing.\nAnd When you\nget all this paper gathered up the best you can\npossibly packet you have at least equal volume to what\nyou had initially with the food .\nI think that you\ncan cut down a great deal by clever packaging and allow\nthe pilot to choose his foods per meal .\nI think he'll\nbe happier.\nI think the packaging of it will be\nneater and easier.\nI think you will get a lot more\neffective use of space.\nI think the biggest\nproblem for GT-7 will be that they are going to\nhave a 2- 1 factor.\nEverytime they pull out a package\nof food, by the time they get that food plus the waste\nproducts back in and stowed it' s going to be exactly\n@ot ◄ FtMl5 ◄ 11xr"
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   "n": 127,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p127.jpg",
   "text": "122\nEO ► ~FH!Jl!m l\ntwice the size it was when it came out.\nI don ' t\nbelieve there is anyway t o get around it the way\nthe food is packaged.\nConrad\nWhat are you going to do? Jim a.nd .l!:d at11 everything\nin the spacecraft.\nYou and I hardly ate anything.\nIf we had known that we were going to eat what we ate ,\nwe could have had twice the room in the Bpacecraf t .\nCooper\nYes.\nConrad\nWe lef t 10 packages of food there .\nWe m•ver\never touched it .\nPlus we filled up the Jocker\nwith another third of the food we didn't eat from\nthe packages that we opened.\nToast, apri cot cubes ,\nbrownie squares, fruit cakes , a.nd I don' t know\nwhat all were stuffed all over that spacecraft.\nWe didn't eat any of that.\nI couldn' t eat it if\nI had wanted to.\nI just didn' t have a:ny desire\nfor that stuff at all .\nCooper\nI don' t know what it was about, but it just seemed\nto be so dry, and chew and concentrated.\nConrad\nThe doctors figured we were running on ab)ut\n1800 calories a day, and I don ' t feel that we were\ncheating ourselves.\nThere is a big diffe::-ence between\nour flight and Jim and Ed' s .\nThey went a::ter this\nbig extravehicular t hing, and I think tha·; it probably-­\n(@t 4F18{MiWIL\n•"
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   "n": 128,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p128.jpg",
   "text": "123\nCooper\nWell, I ' ll tell you, a couple of days we ate a\nlot more .\nThat third day we had a real full day.\nWe were really busy.\nMan , we really had the appetite.\nWe really gobbled down the food and we ate good.\nThose days we were just drifting were-­\nConrad\nThat makes sense to me because if I ' m wor king I eat\na lot and if I ' m not working I don ' t eat much.\nCooper\nMaybe our morale was low all over.\nWe didn' t\nconsume much food .\nI got hungry and Pete did , too .\nI could tell when I was hungry, and we'd say okay\nlet' s break out the food and eat.\nWe really boiled\ndown to just about 2 meals a day when we powered\ndown and 3 meals a day when we were working hard.\nIt was only about 2 meals a day powered down that\nwe even wanted.\nThe bite si ze food tastes awful\ngood when you just sit around and snack on bite\nsize food .\nI t just didn ' t taste wor t h anything up\nthere .\nI may have finished off maybe one or possibly\ntwo packages of it up t here just by having it\nsitting around i n •that little nook or cranny.\nMaybe once a day , I'd have one of t hem.\nJust an\ni n-between meal snack but other t han that i t was\nreally a waste having t hem along.\nI think that if\nwe had all bite size food we would have quit eating\n-eof'~kJelSt rrm"
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   "n": 129,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p129.jpg",
   "text": "124\nentirely.\nI imagine that would be an ea3y way to\npackage the food.\nBut the rehydratabl e ,)nes were\nreally good.\nThere is just no getting acound it.\nThey are good food.\nThe are nourishing and...\nConrad\nBoy, I don't know what to say about the :3leep periods.\nCooper\nThe juices were good.\nThey were really Hxcellent.\nWe had some leaks .\nWe had four bag failures on\nthose plastic bags .\nI think it was the /unction of\ncrumpling this bag all up again and having t o wad\ni t around to fit it -tightly into a diffe:'.'ent\nshape from the fold that it was in.\nI think tha.t\nthose four bag failures could have been r eal serious.\nPete had one that was worse probably-­\nConrad\nI was eating merrily on the eighth day, r:hrimp creole,\nand it blew out the side , and it blew this itty bitty\ndehydrated, rehydrated shrimp all over the circuit\nbreaker panel. It was red and i t looked like somebody\nhad flashed their hash all over--Ha,ha!\nYou can' t\nclean it up in zero g.\nEverytime you wipe a shrimp\noff one place it would float over somewhEre else.\nI was snatching shrirap out of the ai r al l over\neverywhere.\nI was bloody mad at the bag.\nI was\nabout to have a fit .\n..ONPl9@11ff.,_L\n•"
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   "n": 130,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p130.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n125\n~eMUAL\nWhy don ' t we finish this sleep period? And we will\nbe through with systems and pick up those questions .\nStart the experiments.\nOkay.\nOkay, sleep period.\nI think the schedule needs to\nbe set somewhere around the normal s l eep cycle that\na person has al ready, in other words , I don ' t think\nthat the s l eep ought to be set for mid-morning or\nmid- afternoon.\nAnd I personally think that the\ncockpit is small enough that you 're al mos t going\nto have to sl eep both guys at the same time .\nI concur.\nI don ' t think you can be doing the ex­\n?eriments with one of them-­\nAnd have the other one asleep.\nYeah.\nPete and I both found that the times when we really\nslept the best and most comfortable and really got\nsome good sound sleep was when we powered that thing\ncompletely down and turned all the l ights out and\nwere down around the backside area of South America\nand there wasn ' t anybody to cut in and be flashing\nin to tell us all kind of things and they woul d\nleave us al one and we just both power down and go\nto sleep and get a good s l eep .\nAnd that is the only\nway you are going to do it , becaus e if one guy is\n•"
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   "n": 131,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p131.jpg",
   "text": "126\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\ndoing experiments or working, or if one in the\nspacecraft, or doing all this other stuff, the other\none is just not going to sleep. This i~: pure and\nsimple as that.\nHow about mentioning about how quiet it is .\nThe inside of the spacecraft is just as quiet as\nthe inside of a very quiet office room.\nYeah.\nWell now, the big thing here is ihat we had\ntaken our helmets off and put these neck dams on\nso we had no, none of this suit air flow over the\nmikes.\nAnd when you get in that configuration so\nyou are not picking up any noises, as a matter of\nfact , we had our intercom volumes turned down .\nMost\nof our talking we were doing was to one another.\nWe were just talking in our normal tone of voice.\nAnd our radio volume levels were extremely low.\nWe\nwere carrying about 4 on our radio volumes .\nAnd\nthat was more than adequate volume.\nI mean that\nguy came in loud and clear in the headset.\nYou\ncould hear a pin drop in that spacecraft .\nThe only\nsound that you were aware of was a very gentle\nswishing sound of air which was flow due to the\nrecirc being open .\nRight.\nCooper\n•"
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   "n": 132,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p132.jpg",
   "text": "127\nCooper\nAnd it was so quiet that you could hear a guy when\nhe picked the book up and started turning the page.\nConrad\nYeah , I could hear in back in the adapter section\nafter real ly getting adapted to this thing, we\ncould hear the hydrogen vent, we could hear the\nfuel cell hydrogen purge.\nWe couldn ' t hear oxygen\npurge.\nWe could hear all thruster firing of the\nattitude thruster s .\nWhen we did our burns, we\ndidn ' t even have our helmets on.\nDid we?\nWe had\nour helmets off when we did the maneuver burns ,\nwhen we did those perigee--and we could hear all\nthrusters firing.\nAft firing thrusters .\nWe\nbli pped the forward fir ing thruster s and we fired\nthe up-down and left and right thrusters and we\nheard them all fire -- all the maneuver thrusters\nand all the attitude thrusters.\nAnd I could hear\nmany other noises working back in the--There was a\npump package or something squeaking back there that\nsqueaked for all through the test period and I was\ncurious to see if I was going to hear it in flight\nand sure enough, it was loud and clear. It was\nback there behind my head in the adapter section.\nAnd you could hear jus t anything that was out of\nthe ordinary noise .\nAnd that was what the pr oblem\nee-NFlt:JfflTF-;1¥1_"
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   "n": 133,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p133.jpg",
   "text": "128\n..\n@@:t 4FID it tTls-tt~\nwas , it was so blas ted quiet in there that when\nsomething did click or snap or that was not cyclic\nin nature that you got used to it woke you up just\nlike that.\nAnd as Gordo says , turning the pages\nin a book, or he ' d reach over and pull something\noff the Velcro, just a little food package and just\nthat little zip of the Velcro sounded like it was\nmagnified in ther e cause it was so blasted quiet\nin the spacecraft .\nHe couldn ' t talk in the micro­\nphone without me hearing it.\nCooper\nI tri ed actually cupping my hands and talking into\nmy mike here so I could make as little n)ise as\npossible.\nConrad\nAnd I tried it too .\nWe would wake each )ther up.\nSo our recommendation - I 'm sure the spa~ecraft is\nsafe. You may want to look at something - I really\ndon ' t think you need this, but I think it should be\nlooked at fr om an engineering point of view - what\nwould - what are the catastrophic things that could\nbother you i f you were both asleep that ·,,rould need\nsomewhat of a warning to wake you up and I reall y\ndon ' t think you need any myself.\nCooper\nI don ' t either .\nConrad\nBut I think that the spacecr aft - and we felt that"
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   "n": 134,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p134.jpg",
   "text": "129\nway in flight , and we did; we both went to sleep\nat the same time.\nAnd I ' m sure if we would start\nlosing pressurization our ears would have told us\nthat we were as sensitive to that as we were to\nnoise .\nCooper\nThi s schedule we have covered that , I think it\nshould be in .\nBecause invariably, we could get busy\ndoing other things and have many interfer ences and\nit would wind up that we would both wind up sleeping\nduring the normal Eas t Coast nighttime cycle.\nIn­\nvariably, we just weren ' t sleepy at other times .\nConrad\nYeah, I think the other thing is that now in the\nschedule my naptime al ways took place when we were\ncleaning the spacecraft.\nThis was too short after\nthe stateside passes .\nThat compressed the whole\nrest of the sleeping cycle.\nAlthough we tried to\nstick to it .\nGordo woul d go to sleep for his long\nperiod which was usually 5 hours instead of 6 be­\ncause we ' d slid into that time.\nWe always ate our\nmeals together and we were scheduled not to .\nWe\nalways took the vision test together.\nWe weren ' t ,\nthis way we compr essed things down.\nAnd uh , then\nI usually wound up having about 5 hours off , but\nI never slept the full 5 hours .\nThere was just one\n.."
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   "n": 135,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p135.jpg",
   "text": "130\n•\nnight that I did.\nThere was one night that Gor do\nslept maybe 6 or 7 hours and I let him Eleep that\nwhole time because we were just exhausted.\nAnd\nthat was the same reciprocal thing -- he let me\nsleep for 6 or 7 hours .\nThat was the only time in\nthe f l ight that we both real ly s l ept any long period\nof time .\nThe rest of the time I don't t hink we ever\nslept longer than 2 hour s at the most -- And most\nof the time it was 50 minutes between s t ations.\nCooper\nWell, that ' s the whole thing, that the -- on this\nschedule thing there are many, many, many inter­\nfer ences to sleeping and these stations just calling\nin letting you know that they have TM sclid and are\nstanding by, interfere with you-- they wake you up.\nConrad\nThey shouldn' t even do that--on backside passes un­\nless they got something to give you, they shouldn ' t\neven call you.\nCooper\nAnd then too, when they start handing ycu a bunch\nof flight plan updates and they want yoi:.. to do this\nand that and one man is trying to be-- ttey ar e try­\ning to keep one man real busy whil e the other sleeps ,\njust doesn't work out.\nConfiguration, i,,ell , just\nclose your eyes .\nThe best configuration t o sl eep\nis to turn all lights off and sl eep .\nI will say one"
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   "n": 136,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p136.jpg",
   "text": "131\nthing right now that we haven ' t mentioned befor e ,\nI believe the Polaroid window f i l t ers we\ntook were the greatest things we had along.\nConrad\nEspecially when we got on that drift in fli ght.\nCooper\nI ' d reall y r ecommend those very strongly,\nWe put\nboth of those up dim then down to where they com­\npletely block things out, turn the lights out , go\nto sleep and really have at it .\nConrad\nOne guy could open his up and real ly see the gr~'.ll1d\nwell with them in the open conditi on, but i t was a\ncircular hole that was small and with the filter on\nthe other window it kept t he spacecraft r el ativel y\ndar k i f the other guy was t rying to sleep.\nCooper\nRi ght.\nWhat ' s this mission br iefing?\nConrad\nI think that was supposed to be the t hing that we\nchanged courses in midstream and we di d; we briefed\neach ot her and brought one another up on what was\ngoing on and what we had written down .\n•\nCO~Ffl!J !PffM"
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   "n": 137,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p137.jpg",
   "text": "132\n9,0 OPERATIONAL CHECKS\n9,1 Apollo Landmark Identification\nFCSD Rep\nConr ad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nOn these - let' s try to get everything in that log\non these --it ' s going to take a little more time?\nI think - ­\nWell , you want to take each Apollo landmark separa­\ntely? Is that what you want to do?\nYes .\nAs your list - - go down and call out the ones\nyou did and whatever you have on your log there and\nwe' 11 put this in one neat l i ttle packag(?.\nWell, the first one they gave us--you want to do\nthis exactly fully like - time , rev?\nI ' d like to , yes , because we' ve had an awful l ot of\ntrouble .\nOkay, the first Apol lo l andmark was 208 and it was\non day one at 09 : 27 and it was covered b;r cl ouds .\n. . c\nAnd it was Cape Rhir and we didn ' t get 1 , .\nIn fact , the clouds were right over the (?dge and\nwe didn ' t see anything until just about off the\nland.\nAnd the next one was - -\nGordo , why don ' -~ you talk\nabout -- You took all these except--you -~ook them\nall , as a matter of fact, so why don't you give\nthem the business on that, I didn ' t even look at"
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   "n": 138,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p138.jpg",
   "text": "133\n60t H@l8 Et tlh\\L\nhalf of them.\nMost of them occurred during my sleep\ntime .\nCooper\nOkay, the next one was Sequence 212 .\nAnd that is\non Lake Winemarka and it was a point out in the\nl akes in Brazil--down in the Br azilian area, and\nit ' s a l arge l ake .\nThere are no other l akes in the\nimmediate area.\nThe l ake was very, very distinctive .\nYou could see it from some 6 or 700 miles away very\nclearly--big, heavy jungle all around the lake and\nthe point that they selected was the finger of a\nlittle peninsula out in the lake in a particular\npoint right on the peninsula.\nI thought the lake\nwas easy to find , the peninsula was relati vely easy\nto find from quite a distance out .\nThere was no\nproblem getting on it . It was a fairly distinctive\nlandmark.\nThe light was fairly low - it was late­\nin- the- day type pass, and the light was fairly low\nover in the West, but no particular problem getting\non it , holding on t he target , and identi f yi ng it .\nApollo l andmark--l et ' s see, I took 1, 2, 3, sequences\nof pi ctures over that.\nAnd Apollo landmark 213 was\nthe next one, and I wonder if they want the magazi ne\nand sequence number s .\nOkay, on 212 it was magazine 1\nand exposure 62 , 63 , and 64.\nOn Apollo landmark 213"
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   "n": 139,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p139.jpg",
   "text": "134\n•\nit was magazine 4, exposure 10, expo:rnre 11 .\n213\nwas Lake DePoopo in South America and here again\nthe l ake was fairl y distinctive although this was\n.._\na shallow water lake - the other lake was i n the\nmountains in a fairl y deep water - crater-type lake,\nwhereas this Lake DePoopo was a flat land lake fair ly\nshallow, the lake was not the same shape as on the\nmap that we had of it.\nIn fact, the map we have is\nquite a poor map and the isl and that the point i s on,\nIsl a de Panza, is not the same shape as the island\nthat is shown. It is the onl y i slanc it can be,\ni t is not exactly, quite different in reality than\nit is here on the thing.\nThe island is changed in\nshape, but being a shallow water l ake you can see\nthat the lake could very r eadily change with the\nwater level - - change shape with the water level ;\nand these islands could very readily be modified\nfairly readily just by dredging or hacking away at\nthem. It was obviously the only lake in that im­\nmediate area that i t could be and it had the same\ngeneral shape as this lake.\nAnd it had the river\nleading in. The lake was f airly distinctive, and\nfairly easy to find, the point was easy enough to\nget onto , and I got these two pictures of it.\nLight\n•"
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   "n": 140,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p140.jpg",
   "text": "I\n135\nconditions were again fairly late-in- the-afternoon\ntype light conditions, but they were good enough.\ndon't think this lake was nearly as distinctive\nhowever, as the Lago de Winemarga.\nI don't think\nyou can trust these shallow water lakes as being\nthat definitive in that they may change a little on\nyou and won ' t show up as good, particularly f r om\nhigher altitudes I don't believe, as the deeper\nwater lake perhaps .\nAnd the next one , let ' s see,\nas to time--days and times--first of all , I was\nskipping that, day 2, 21 hours 45 minutes 39 sec­\nonds was Sequence 212 which I covered, Sequence 213\nwhich we just covered was day 3, 21 hours 38 minutes\nand 2 seconds; these were all made at -- 212 was\nmade at 1/250 at f/8 because of the quite low light\nvalue, and Sequence 213 was made at 1/250 at 9.5 and\nthen one at f/8 , because here again, it was a fairly\nlow l ight level. They were all made at fairly near\n90° pitch down.\nSequence 207 was made by day 5,\n7 hours 14 minutes 27 seconds.\nI made two pictures\nthere.\n57 and 58 are magazine 4, 1/250 at 9. 5 and\napproximately 70° pitch down and 30 to 50° yaw.\nThese were yawed off at some slight angle.\nAnd\n207 was Canary Islands and it was the southern point\n•"
  },
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   "n": 141,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p141.jpg",
   "text": "«€~\nE;fP91Tl,•,L\non the La Palma Island , and very distinctive; how­\never, one can get confused if there LS any l ittle\nbit of cloud cover at the isl ands yo·1 1r e l ooking\n..\nat .\nThere are approximately five or six islands\nout in this group and with some of t:1e scattered\ncloud conditions, vou can get on the wrong island\nthere fairly readil y, particularly i .: part of one\nisland , where partially covered by cl ouds , maybe\njust a point--you can very readily g1~t the wrong\npo.int .\nHowever, I think we got the :~ight point\nall right without any problem.\nAnd :: think the\nlighting condi tions were very excel l nnt , really,\nexcept for the scattered clouds on the water down\nthere; the lighting conditions themsdves were good\nfor these pictures .\nAnd on day 5, 10 hours 25 min­\nutes and 2 seconds , we got Sequence :)08 which was\nthe one we had tried the first day and had had\ncloud cover.\nThat was magazine 4 , e>:posure no . 62\ntaken at 1/250 at f/9 . 5 90° with about a 20° yaw\nright, and there again that was the 1,oint near\nCape Rhir near Agadir and the commenis that I had\nto make on this one are that there are three points\ngoing down this same general land mass that are\nneither one a great deal more distinctive than the\n•"
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   "n": 142,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p142.jpg",
   "text": "137\n<Qt; fIDflsl1\\AJ;\n..\nother.\nIn fact, the one that is the most distinctive\nfrom quite a distance out is Cape Sim near Osaweira.\nIt is a lot brighter, lighter colored sand and is\nmore distinctive than Cape Rhir.\nHowever, once you\nlearn the place, Cape Rhir becomes a little more\ndistinctive when you learn what to look for, because\nCape Rhir is at the edge of the mountains and just\nto the southeast of Cape Rhir, there is a river and\na valley--a big, wide, green valley which travels\nup to the east along the edge of the mountains .\nWhen you once learn to look for it , this river and\nvalley are quite a give- away, because look just to\nthe left of it and that's Cape Rhir.\nI think, prob­\nably it is the most distinctive of these three. The\nthree points that show up immediately from perhaps\n800- -1000 miles out are Cape Hodad and Cape Sim and.\nCape Rhir.\nYou can see all three little points\nsticking out there. Neither one of which are\nparticularly more distinct except this Cape Sim has\nbrighter colored sand and begins to show up a little\nmore distinctive, but once you learn where the land­\nmarks are, these mountains and valleys near Agadir\ngive away Cape Rhir.\nI believe it is the best\nlandmark-- in that immediate area.\nI ' m not sure that"
  },
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   "n": 143,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p143.jpg",
   "text": "138\nFCSD Rep\nI agree, incidentally on all the Apollo landmarks\nlandmarks we ' ve got here.\nI ' m not sure I agree , in\ngeneral, with any of the Apollo landmarks that they\nhavp .\nI think there are lots more distinctive l and­\nmark features around the country.\nI think that\ntheir idea of selecting a point of land down in the\nwater is good, but I think that there are numerous\nplaces around the world where , say a large river\ncomes out and intersects with the ocean naybe at a\npoint , at a point in a river and things ,f this\ntype, would be even more distinctive or an inter­\nsection of a river and the ocean , or an intersection\nof something in the type of causeways i n Miami or\nthe causeways here at the Cape where the;r cross the\nwater with a very prominent water landma:~k.\nThey' ll\ngive you a very accurate telescopic poin-; to sight.\non, whereas the particular points of lancl that they\nhave selected are not really accurate type sighting\npoints for real accuracy, I don ' t feel .\nThey're\nr easonably distinctive, but I don ' t thin}: any--nearl y\nas distinctive as a lot of other areas around the\ncountry that could be selected.\nOkay, why don ' t you look through these things her e\nand see if there is anything there that you haven' t\ncovered.\n€ewfl~if>.f\"pl,Ofl"
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   "n": 144,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p144.jpg",
   "text": "139\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nCooper\n\"\nOkay, let 's see, going down on the 9 ,0 Operational\nChecks - Acquisition. .\nThat's Apollo Landmarks.\nAll right, the--I think to find these landmarks,\nthings of this type, one thing that I feel pretty\nstrongly that you really need is a platform.\nYou\nneed a platform to operate from.\nYou need pointing,\nsomething to give you pointing information.\nNow,\nyou can find it approximat ely with the plat ­\nform off, and by knowing about what BEF or SEF are,\nand by yawing approximately so many degrees , knowing\nwhat time to look for it, approximately what degrees\nto pitch down.\nChances are, if it is fairly dis­\ntinctive you are going to find it. But for certainly\nvery accurate acquisition, you certainly need a\nplatform up and some accurate pointing information,­\nthen you real ly got it pinned.\nWe tried it both ways and there is no comparison.\nIf you really want to make sure you get on a target,\nif you' ve got a time and at the time you are at\nthis time, then the pitch angle and the yaw angle\nto be at, boy, you just can ' t miss it. If you go\nto those angles just a few seconds ahead of time\nand set right there and as you come up on the time,"
  },
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   "n": 145,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p145.jpg",
   "text": "140\n•\nthere t he point is, right there .\nYou just don't\nmiss it. Updating, of course , you've got to keep\nthese times updated as you--depending on your\nephemeris, and how you are sliding around on your\noriginal time. Ours, fortunately , was just right\non the money practically the whol e mission, fairly\nlate in the program we began to decay enough that\nwe were changing times fairly significantly, but\nthe weather is the biggest factor of all .\nOf course,\nif t he weather is bad in the area, you do:1 1 t get it.\nYou just don ' t get the t arget .\nI f it exists , humidity\nl ike you find along the West Coast of t he United\nStates\nthen you aren ' t going to get it although\nsome places out there like the point by Santa Barbara\nand Point Arguella and some of those poin·~s, even in\nspite of fog and haze, almost i nvariably Bhow up .\nThese are the kind of things that should be taken\ninto consideration .\nThe weather is pr obably t he\nbiggest factor on whether you are going to get a\npoint or not .\nSun angle is not so importcnt as\nweather, although it definitely is a factc,r in that\nvery early or very late the sun angles ree.lly tend\nto cut down the visibility, particularly if you have\nthe addition of humidity in the air . If you have\n\"COMFfD~ •"
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   "n": 146,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p146.jpg",
   "text": "•\n141\nthe addition of humidity in the air. If you have\nhigh humidity and then low sun angles, you are out\nof luck. If it is a very dry humidity, the low sun\nangles don ' t hurt you nearly so much.\nThe sightings\n--there again the ease of which you are going to get\nyour sightings done, get on to them and get them\nspotted and so on, i s going to be dependent on the\nlandmark itself.\nThose of them that we got, I think,\nare certainly reasonably landmarks , although some\nof the confusion things can be­ -\nConrad\nI just found out why the whip antenna didn't go up.\nIt was my fault .\nCooper\nWhy is that?\nConrad\nBecause I powered down the common control bus.\nRemember, I turned off all squib batteries to save\nbatteries later.\nCooper\nYou didn' t turn those off till later.\nConrad\nWell, I know I didn ' t, but I pr obably turned them\noff before we ran the antenna up though, or tried\nto.\nI ' m not really sure.\nCooper\nI don ' t think so .\nConrad\nWell, don't mind that. If it comes out, well , that\nwas the reason.\nCooper\nI remember when you powered those down.\nWe had\nt"
  },
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   "n": 147,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p147.jpg",
   "text": "-\n••\n142\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nalready gone through all the sequences ~1d everything\nby then.\nOkay, let's see. Designated targets-­\nI think you have covered that pretty much.\nYes , all the targets.\nThe targets that they have designated versus what ••\nYes .\nOkay, well the designated targets- - There are\nsome al ternate targets right in the are1:.s here that\nI ' ve already mentioned.\nI mentioned a c:ouple of\ncases there that could possibly be bettnr targets\nthan the ones that they selected, although there\nis nothing wrong, particularly, with thr, ones that\nthey selected.\nI personally liked a little bit\nbetter than on target 212, or Sequence 212, this\npoint of land.\nI thought a little more distinctive\nwas the point of land that came out of a l ittl e\ntown called San Pedro, just north of there on the\nsame lake.\nThat 's spmething to consider. It's a\npoint of land that is quite distinct because it is\nfairly heavy.\nA big mountain sort of c:ame right\ndown into the lake and dropped off into it , and it ·\nwas quite a prominent point of land.\n::t is very\nshear and precise, whereas, it is a l i ·;tle bigger\npoint. Although, from a great distanc,~ farther out,"
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   "n": 148,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p148.jpg",
   "text": "the point they had might have proved to be better.\nMaps--Boy, we ran the gamut on them, but in general,\nthe Apollo maps we got were just stinking.\nThey\nwere lousy and they didn ' t give you any lead-ins to\nwhere you were trying to find these things, and if\nit hadn ' t been for Harry KazU1DA. ' s map over there\nand our regular orbital map, we never would have be­\ngun to have found these places .\nWe couldn't have\npossibly told where they were.\nAnd the Apollo maps\nthat they have on here, these colored lithograph types\ngizmoes things, are just worthless .\nThey are not\nworth the powder to blow them up with.\nThere are\nseveral real typical examples of why these maps are\nso bad.\nFor instance, right here, just on the better\nmap of the group, they have the Canary Islands, but\nthey don't even have all of the islands in the group.\nThe island that you pick is sitting way up here at\nthe corner of the map and you don ' t know what's\nleading you into there, or whether there ' s maybe\nanother island just right by that one.\nYou need a\nbigger scale map like this one.\nThat was a little\ntoo big a scale perhaps , really, but that ' s the\nkind of map you need to really point out what you\nneed coming into it, and somewhat of a more reasonable"
  },
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   "n": 149,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p149.jpg",
   "text": "144\n•\npicture.\nI think the prime example we had of any\ndifficulty in map locat ion was not on the Apollo\nmaps themselves , but i t is exactly the srune kind of\nthing.\nWhat was that one that had the lit tle i sland?\nConrad\nLake Depoopo .\nCooper\nNo, no . It had one tiny l i ttle i sland right off\nt he coast and it wasn't on the Apollo mapB . It was\nthe-­\nConrad\nIt was a D- 6.\nThat was that thing off BrE,zil. That's\nall it was . It was a chart of water with an i sland\nin the middle of it. It turned out that right at\nthe edge of the chart was another island.\nWe took\nthe wrong island first because, heck, it looked l ike\nthere wasn ' t another island-­\nConrad\nI'm just making this comment because it will apply\nto the Apollo map making, as well, and this was an\nideal example of how t o really screw somebody up.\nCooper\nWe al so got another isl and right up there.\nWe got\nit and we were sail ing along thinking that was a\ngood shot we made of that island, and we fooked\ndown and I said, \"Hey, look down there. What ' s\nthat. That ' s another one.\" I swung over on it,\nand he said, \"Let's get it, too .\" So , we discovered"
  },
  {
   "n": 150,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p150.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCooper\n145\nE~PID[NflAL\nthat it was the one. It was just by accident that\nwe got the right one.\nOkay. Detail--which of these do you think would be\nbest? I think you covered some of this.\nWell, I think that coastline is the best, distinctive\nfeatures on a coastline.\nNext best are rivers and\nmountains .\nProbably, if you can have combinations\nof the rivers, mountains, and coastlines, these are\nquite good.\nA river running into a coastline and\ninto the sea, I think, is a real excellent one.\nVery good.\nAnd roads- -boy, there is just no getting\naround it that roads make an excellent landmark area.\nThey really show up.\nAnd a road in the right area\nwhere it is contrasty will really show up for a long,\nlong way away, like a white concrete road and darker\nbackground, a dark green background, really shows..\nAnd then, I guess cities show up probably the least\nof anything.\nThey tend to have enough vegetation\nand foliage and everything and they kind of blend\nin. They don't reall y show.\nLakes are excellent\nlandmarks. Airports are not as good as lakes and\nthings of this type. Airports tend to blend in a\nlittle bit. L~t•s see, color contrast--I've already\ncovered that .\nReadability - ­"
  },
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   "n": 151,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p151.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nAnything at night?\nCooper\nCoastline .\nOn a clear ni ght, boy, the best thing\nthat will show up is coastline.\nThe grnatest light\ncontrast is between your water and l and ..\nFCSD Rep\nOkay, I think that ' s enough on that .\n9 , 2 Cabin Lighting Survey\nCooper\nI 'll let Pete comment on that one.\nConrad\nWell , it was very straightforward, and we didn't\nget very many of them, mainly because WE! wound up\nin drifting flight .\nWe took the measurements as\nadvertised, except there is one little ~:litch in the\nthing.\nThey wanted you to take a light measurement\nout, the, window, and they wanted you to c.o it in\neither the heads- up, or heads- down.\nIn doing thi s ,\nthat said the horizon was in front of ycu.\nNow the\nlight meter reading looking at the black sky just\nabove the horizon in the daytime , which was the\ntotal sky, was usually a number around 11. 5.\nBut\nlooking at the earth, or just below the horizon, the\nmeter reading was about 15. 6.\nSo, I al ways recorded\ntwo readings , the reading for the horizon and the\nblack sky, because I didn't really know which one\nyou wanted. With the spot meter the thing just turned\nout that way.\nOkay, we made one at 01+23+10.\nGordo"
  },
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   "n": 152,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p152.jpg",
   "text": "147\n-GQMEilQEt{l:1 A I D\n,.\nmade one at 05+04+30+00.\nI made another one at\n03+01+45+00 , and we had another one at 04+22+40+00.\nOut of those, two of them were in drifting flight,\nand the other two were heads-up.\nAnd I had this\nrecording that 11. 6 was equal to black sky and 16.8\nwas normally representative of earth background.\nThat was it. It was straightforward.\n9, 3 SPADATS Tracking Check\nConrad\nWe did it. We did it by turning our beacon on so\nthey could just track us, but we, of course, didn't\nget into it with the REP thing. The SPADATS thing,\nactually, was supposed to take place during the REP\noperation, and it didn ' t. But we did turn on our\nbeacon so SPADATS could track us one time over this\nWillia.mtown site, or wherever it was. That's all\nthere was to it, so there was nothing to-- ­\n9, 4\nUHF Antenna Pattern Test\nConrad\nNow, these UHF antenna pattern tests were done just\nas written in the book and the data is recorded.\nDo you want it?\nFCSD Rep\nWhy don ' t you read it out?\nConrad\nOkay.\nWe did a UHF sequence 03 at 01+10+44+25,\nand the angles were 0°, 0° , 0° .\nWe did a sequence\n01 at 02+13+47+05, and the angles were 90°, 0°, and\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 153,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p153.jpg",
   "text": "148\neOt ◄ Fll'f fqTIJ(t\n..\n14° left.\nWe did an 02+15+21+19 , sequence 02, and\nthe angles were 0°, roll left 132° , 0°, and they were\ndone as advertized .\nFCSD Rep\nHow about any updating on that?\nConrad\nNo , they just sent i t up and said to do it , and these\nwere the angles they wanted.\nThey set this up for\nus to do.\n9,5 Thruster Illuminati on Checks\nConrad\nNever did it .\nWe were supposed to do it the beginn­\ning of the first night or something like that , and\nit was in a sleep period time and we were tired and\nwe didn ' t do it.\nAfter that, we got into either a\npower down or drifting situation where we were un­\nable to do it, so it was never done during the flight .\n9.6 Dual Command Transmi tter Test\nConrad\nThat was never done.\nThat had to do with the REP\ntoo, if I remember right. I think it was DCS light\nr esets .\nI think what they were trying to do was to\nf i nd out if our radar was on.\nThey sent DCS commartds\nand we were transmitting or something--what could\nhappen--We never got into that test.\n9,7 Radar Tests\nConrad\nOkay, Test 2, short range, boresight spacecraft on\nREP, no problem.\nWe never got time to get into the\n00►4 FtDffi~TlA!\n•"
  },
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   "n": 154,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p154.jpg",
   "text": "149\n~cONEIDftsl!IAL\nrest of it.\nWe never got more than a mile from him,\nso we got that 3000 foot transient but we never got\nthe 30,000, What was the transient at 3000 feet\nlike? Do you remember, Gordo? On radar when the\nREP went farther than 3000 feet , I don't think there\nwas any transient to speak of.\nCooper\nI didn't notice any particular transient, or any\nnoticeable one at all.\nI was looking for it.\nConrad\nYeah.\nWe did the-­\nCooper\nI had it damped pretty well .\nConrad\nWe never did get the radar to run for 3 hours, so\nwe didn ' t get test 5, test 4, no correlation between\nrange and range rate display and visual observations\nat short range, they all worked very well. Test 6,\nwe observed the normal transients that you'd expect,\njust as advertised on here, and I also noticed that·\nthe lock- on light cycled on and off, on and off,\nwhen I was in a standby mode after warmup.\nRadar\ntest 7, stand by to ON, you have to get Gordo on\nthat.\nConrad\nTest 8.\nWe dashed over there the first time and as\nsoon as we were within about 260 to 270 miles, the\nradar locked up on 248,66 miles .\nI got the first\ndigital readout on address 69 and it read down to"
  },
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   "n": 155,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p155.jpg",
   "text": "150\nConrad\n9.8 HF Evaluati on\nConrad\nCooper\nsome 160 miles .\nI read the numbers out over the\nair. I ' m not sure that they aren't on t ape , too.\nThe tape hadn't run out then .\nThen we tracked back\nout again and it pointed right to t his f-''.ILA area\nhere at the Cape when we had the needles centered .\nGordo was tracking on the needles, and it seemed to\nwork real well.\nWe are really impressed with it.\nAs you know, we got it to lock on the REP everytime\nafter that over the Cape , but we never g~t the range\nto read right.\nI don't know whether that was a\nradar problem or a computer problem.\nAt that time, the voice recorder was working on the\nfirst test, and I thi nk there is some in::ormation\non the tape.\nHF evaluation test number 1.\nWe transmit ted all\nthe way around the worl d.\nThen we gave i.:.p number 2,\nbecause it was keeping the other :Astronaut awake .\nThen we did the other HF transmission test which\nwas l isten.\nWe did hear Hawaii for awhile going\naway from them and coming back in ­\nThat was a ridiculous test anyway."
  },
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   "n": 156,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p156.jpg",
   "text": "151\nCooper\n.. . .HF when they were playing music. It dropped\nout when we heard it, and we'd transmit once in a\nwhile to them and they heard us. It worked real\nwell.\n£0Mftf>EMflAL"
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   "n": 157,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p157.jpg",
   "text": "152\n10.0 VISUAL SIGHTINGS\n10.1 Powered Flight\nConrad\nWel l, everything wa.s straightforward up ·.mtil\nFairing Jet. We told you about the problems we had\nat Fairing Jet.\nWe want to take a look 1:1.t that .\nCooper\nI didn ' t see anything-­\nConrad\nI did see the horizon come into view at 1:1.bout 60° .\nCooper\nYes, I saw it just as we began to stage 1'.>ver.\nI\nl ooked out over your window.\nConrad\nThat 's right. Right after staging in guidance ini­\ntiate it ca.me down to about 80° on t he horizon and\nman, it looked great out there.\nCooper\nAnd the only thing that I noticed at SEGO was a lot\n·of debris.\nConrad\nOh, yes, it was stuff all over everywhere. About\nthe funniest thing of all was\nCooper\nSnow all over the whole area..\nConrad\nYes, and just all sorts of glittering pieces of\nthi s , that and the other thing.\nCooper\nPieces and bits.\nConrad\nThen a.11 these washers and goodies started floating\na.round in the spacecraft, but the .. .. . 'llas the\nwasher floating along -­\nCooper\nThat was three or four orbits later. He:t:'e we are\n...."
  },
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   "n": 158,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p158.jpg",
   "text": "153\n~Qt~OOit IIIAI? =\nwhipping along at 17,000 miles an hour or so and I\nlooked out and here's that washer floating right in\nfront of my window. It sat out there and floated\naround a while. I pointed it out to Pete and he\ngot over and looked at it and it floated on around\nand finally it ·just was drifting on off. Finally\nit disappeared. And about an hour l ater a bolt\ncame off.\n10 2 Orbital Flight\nConrad\nWe didn't see our own booster.\nWe were too busy.\nWe started the flight plan right away and we never\nturned around to look at it.\nCooper\nWe never turned around to look at it.\nConrad\nWe sure as heck saw the REP.\nCooper\nWe saw the REP and saw the REP and saw the REP.\nConrad\nWe saw the REP bl anket too.\nCooper\nThe REP blanket, I think we mentioned before, but\nthe REP bl anket someway or other got between us and\nthe REP.\nThis means that the REP either went through\nit or tumbled over it, because the blanket was be­\ntween us and the REP. Man-made objects in orbit.\nLet's see booster, REP-­\nConrad\nOkay, now that satellite-­\nCooper\nSatellites. We never saw any of the scheduled ones."
  },
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   "n": 159,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p159.jpg",
   "text": "154\nConrad\nWe never saw any of the scheduled ones but you' ve\ngot to have the platform to see them.\nThey gave us\nangles like pitch 82° and yaw 45.\nYou're looking\nat the black sky. You haven't any idea of where\nyou're looking.\nYou have to have the platform.\nOne thing that we did find, if their platform point­\ning at satellites was actuall y the pointing informa­\ntion they gave us for the ground objects, why we\nwoul dn ' t have had any trouble finding them.\nCooper\nThe pointing information that we got from the ground\nwas excellent.\nConrad\nWe hacked that time on the second and we were\nreally pointed with the platform up and we were\nlooking right down the pipe at whatever it was that\nthey were wanting us to look at.\nThe only reason\nwe didn't see it is we couldn't make it out. But\nwe were l ooking at it.\nCooper\nSatellites--There was only one time when Pete and\nI thought we saw something and we didn't have time\nto identify it.\nWe were in drifting flight and we\nnever could identify it. I don ' t even know if it\nwas a satellite. So many things are going by when\nyou're drifting that it's difficult to say. Geo­\ngraphical--We saw millions of geographical details:"
  },
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   "n": 160,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p160.jpg",
   "text": "155\nESt◄fJtlDEt◄ TIA f\nrivers, lakes, oceans-­\nConrad\nI think all of that will come out in the experiments\ntoo.\nWe saw all kinds -\nCooper\nTowns, airports, railroads, roads, and all that\nstuff.\nConrad\n.Airplanes.\nCooper\nAirp-lanes .\nConrad\n.Anything you say, we saw at least one each.\nCooper\nI finally saw one and I nearly busted my rear end\ndoing it.\nConrad\nI saw the carrier. I saw an airliner. I saw con­\ntrails. I saw individual houses up in Tibet. One\nthing I didn't see for Gordo was a car.\nCooper\nI couldn't find him a car. He was sitting over there\nasleep. I turned on the whole control system and\nturned around to show him one. This was the only\none I could find during the whole stinking l ousy\ntrip.\nConrad\nWe saw just about anything you would expect us to\nsee.\nCooper\nBut there again I think you've got to have the con­\ntrol system to point where you have your windows\nright to make sightings.\nYou just can't catch them\nin drifting flight .\nee~~flOEt'ITIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 161,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p161.jpg",
   "text": "156\nConrad\nOne day we went past El Paso and the lighting con­\nditions were just right. You really coul d see the\nindividual streets in El Paso .\nYou could distinguish\nthe streets but this wasn't always true.\nThe l ight­\ning conditions had to be right.\nOne day we made a\npass over the United States and I could 3ee the\nstr eets, the airports, the lakes and eve:ry princi­\nple town across the United States all on one orbit .\nWe started at Los Angel es, went to Phoenix to Tucson,\nAbilene, White Sands, El Paso-­\nCooper\nYou coul d see the details down there in Jlear Lake -\nTaylor Lake area--like you were flying over coming\nin to land.\nConrad\nDallas, Nashville, Memphis-­\nCooper\nIt was clear as a bell ,\nConrad\nAnd when we went right out at Savannah and we were ·\nlooking right down the pipe at Jacksonville, Florida.\nYou coul d see the bridges and the St. Johns R~ver\nand everything.\nCooper\nWhen we came o~er. t~e Ca~e here you could see every\none of the launch pads.\nConrad\nI should have two 70-mm photographs. I guarantee\nyou that I got a 70-mm photograph of the Cape one\nday l ike nobody ever took before. If i t came out,\neet>tfl0ENTIM\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 162,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p162.jpg",
   "text": "157\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nit was the clearest picture of the Cape.\nBoy, that was beautiful. You coul d see every de­\ntail. You could see every causeway and every street,\neverything that rode around the Cape, and buildings\nall over the Cape.\nAll that was on the same day but it was another\norbit.\nCelestial -­\nGosh, we coul d see seventh magnitude stars-­\nMercury never had a window.\nOur windows were filthy.\nWhen we l ifted off it just absolutely unforgiveable\nhow dirty they were. Yet there were many times the\nmagnitude of visibil ity the Mercury windows were.\nWe could see easil y seventh magnitude stars. Well,\nin Orion we coul d see all seven stars in the belt\nand we could see cl usters down the side of the leg..\nI've never seen those clusters before.\nI have seen\nbig bl owups of them, but you could definitely see\ntwo good size cl usters. Celestial - -We saw a lot of\nplanets and we saw the moon under all kinds of con­\nditions. We saw the sun.\nWe took Polaroid testings\non the sun. We ran the Polaroid fil ters at differ­\nent angles. It looks to me like the sun has circul ar\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 163,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p163.jpg",
   "text": "158\npolarization. I just can' t find any linear defini­\ntion of it. When the sun is setting you can get\ns ome linear polarity in a vertical plane, but other­\nwise I just can't see anything different one way\nthan the other.\nI took the filter out and rotated\nit a number of times.\nI took the whole filter out.\nWe saw a Zodiacal light.\nWe saw-­\nConrad\nYes, we really did a couple of times--just could\nsee it where night vision was right .\nWe had t he\nlights out in cockpit and everything.\nBoy, you\ncoul d really-,:­\nCooper\nPete spotted an interesting phenomenon that he pointed\nout one night that I had never seen before. It\nlooked like an Aurora. It was an Aurora type l ight\nand it was a very bright green. It changed in color\nand was in the airglow layer. It actuall y changed\nthe height of the airglow below. It brightened it\nabove where it -- but below it, it seemed t o cut it\ndown and make it more definitive. Where it wasn't\nit was kind of fuzzy along there and then where t his\nglow was the airglow kind of jumped up and was sort\nof chopped off very sharply. This was very bright.\nI don't know what it was . It was apparently some\nkind of a Aurora effect. We saw a lot of meteorites"
  },
  {
   "n": 164,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p164.jpg",
   "text": "in Australia was a good example.\nTwo different\ndays it was completely clobbered in where you\ncouldn't see anything on the ground in that imme­\ndiate area.\nThis point Rhir was clobbered in\none day.\nWe were going to get an Apollo landmark\non it and it was just back in under the clouds in\nfact.\nAnd Kano we were going to get a shot of\nthe Kano air field, wasn' t it?\nConrad\nYes, that was clobbered.\nCooper\nYes, it was clobbered,\nWe got right up close to\ni t and there were these low clouds hanging in\nthere just scattered to broken clouds and we\ncouldn't see.\nConrad\nActually on the D-6 stuff most of the time the\nexperimenters were up on what was clobbered and\nthey didn't even bother to give it to us , or if\nthey gave it to us it became clobbered before we\ngot there. They usually were able to tell us that\nit was going to be clobbered and then many times\nthey gave us that the weather was pretty good,\nbut there's three tenths cloud coverage so you\nmay or may not, It didn't bother us too much\naround the coastal regions."
  },
  {
   "n": 165,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p165.jpg",
   "text": ",\n:,\n...."
  },
  {
   "n": 166,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p166.jpg",
   "text": "159 A\nCooper\nCloud Coverage .\nWe had varied cloud coverage\nt hroughout the flight .\nConrad\nBoy, I think we saw every phenomenon you could\nthink of with t he clouds.\nCooper\nJust about everyt hing you could t hink of.\nWe saw\ntyphoons , and hurricanes , and-­\nConrad\nWe saw well defined eyes in these tropical storms\nand others without­ -with such ci rrus cover t hat you\ncouldn' t define an eye.\nWe saw some of the most\nfant asti c thunder st orms we have ever seen.\nCooper\nWe saw hundreds and hundr eds and hundreds of miles\nof t r ememdous big thunder storm lines with squall\nlines going across it .\nConrad\nNear Sout h America.\nCooper\nHad at times as many as 15 to 20 thunderstorms\nthat were lighting up all at the same time.\nConrad\nI think I have some good 16 mm camera coverage of\nt he thunderstorm lightning at night .\nCooper\nAnd these are--then we saw--then we had\ngreat\nexpanses over the same areas of excel lent weather,\nclear weather.\nWe saw a lot of dust storms"
  },
  {
   "n": 167,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p167.jpg",
   "text": "159 B\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n< 0~4'1Dcl~TIM •\nin Arabia and Africa.\nYes .\nYou could see those desert storms real clear­\nly.\nThe wind picking up and moving the sand al ong.\nOther days we saw the same areas just as clear with\nno wind.\nBeaut iful weather.\nIt was interesting in those deserts to notice that\nyou could really pick up the prevailing wind t rails.\nYes.\nYou know from the sand flow.\nThe way the sand dunes were-­\nAnd which as I sort of remember back e1omewhere\nthere was a lot of explanation about how the\nwhole desert moves , you know, and you could r eally\nsee these great --! mean for a hundred miles-­\nhundreds of miles you could pick out t hese great\nobvi ous prevailing wind tracks in t he sand that\njust stretched for hundreds of miles .\nYes .\nAnd again t his was in Egypt and south of Egypt -­\ndown in t hat area.\nWell, you could actually see by the c1oud\nformat ion--was odd, too.\nThe t hing I noticed was,"
  },
  {
   "n": 168,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p168.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\n159 C\nyou really could see the lower altitude prevailing\nwinds in the cirrus clouds or the lower altitude\nstratus type cloud you all around and you really\ncould see the wind pattern and one thing that\nr eall y impressed me, was the- - on cloud formations\nlow altitude cloud formations--up in the Himalayan\nareas ,how t hat stratus- type cloud would hang-­\nwould just completely define the land shape.\nYou' d\nsee it hang in the valleys and swirl right down\nin the valleys and you'd see where the peaks\nwere, i t would puff and was quite definitive of\nthe land mass.\nAnd then coming in off the-­\nyou could see the prevailing wind direction in\nthe l ower altitude clouds .\nYou could see the way\nthe wind would come in and you'd get the wind\nshear where it would hit the mountain peaks\ncoming in off the desert areas there and it would\nkick it up over the peak areas.\nOkay.\nLet me ask one question.\nOkay.\nWas ther e--as far as good pictures are concerned- ­\nhow many pictures did cloud coverage prevent you"
  },
  {
   "n": 169,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p169.jpg",
   "text": "159 D\nco•lE.-laEhtllAL ~\nfrom getting?\nCooper\nOh, well, a great many.\nSome areas--well , just in\ngeneral let's just say that some areaB of the\ncountry would be completely clobbered in and we'd be\ntraveling over an undercast for great long expanses\nof hundreds and hundreds of miles , and anything ·,\nthat was in there would be--anything t o do with\nany areas we desired to photograph in there whether\nthey were specified immediate areas 01· whether\nthey were just general pupose or S-5, S-6 , were\nnot available for photography, and yet the next\nday it might be wide open.\nThe Himals.yas was\nan ideal example of that too. For twc, different\ndays we traveled over that, you couldr..' t see\nany of the craters or any of the ice flows or\nanything due to the clouds .\nYou could. see just\noccasional areas and some of the lakee would be\nopen, so it was just heavy cloud cover- through\nthere for about a 2 day period and then it just\nbroke up wide open one day. Eut there were a great\nmany areas that there were cloud covered to the\npoint that you could not f i nd it. For instance,\nthe Carnarvon or I should say the woodly side"
  },
  {
   "n": 170,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p170.jpg",
   "text": "®@r ◄ r1~Tr~t\n159 E\n•\nin Australia was a good example.\nTwo different\ndays it was completely clobbered in where you\ncouldn't see anything on the ground in that imme­\ndiate area. This point Rhir was clobbered in\none day.\nWe were going to get an Apollo landmark\non it and it was just back in under the clouds in\nfact.\nAnd Kano we were going to get a shot of\nthe Kano air field , wasn't it?\nConrad\nYes , that was clobbered.\nCooper\nYes, it was clobbered.\nWe got right up close to\nit and there were these low cl ouds hanging in\nthere just scattered to broken clouds and we\ncouldn't see.\nConrad\nActually on the D-6 stuff most of the time the\nexperimenters were up on what was clobbered and\nthey didn ' t even bother to give it to us , or if\nthey gave it t o us it became clobbered before we\ngot there .\nThey usually were able to tell us that\nit was going t o be clobbered and then many times\nthey gave us that the weat her was pretty good,\nbut there 's three tenths cloud coverage so you\nmay or may not. It didn't bother us too much\naround the coastal regions ."
  },
  {
   "n": 171,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p171.jpg",
   "text": "160\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nThe carrier was the one thing that it really\nbothered us on.\nTwo different days on the carrier\nshots doggone it you could see one day--for in­\nstance we saw the carrier wake and-­\nBut the sunlighting was such-­\nThe sunlighting and the-­\nYou lose the wake and everything-­\nAnd then the scattered clouds, too were such that\nyou were kind of hunting for him in and around the\nscattered clouds and sunlight angle was low on it\nand we lost him.\nThe day we got him there were clouds b~ck there\nbut gee we could see him for 500 miles out and we\nnever lost t hem.\nJust the lighting conditions were ideal t hat day\nand he was also out in kind of an open area in\nt he clouds .\nOkay, horizons. The horizons were of ~curse, as\nusual, I t hink day and night were fairl;r well defined\n\"\nexcept as you come into the--as you go in out and\nout of the terminator.\nJust at that p,~riod of time\nwhere you' r e going into t he l i ght or out of t he\nlight through the terminator it ' s a ve:-:y fuzzy"
  },
  {
   "n": 172,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p172.jpg",
   "text": "161\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nill-defined, odd area-­\nYeah, looking down the sun.\nWhere you have no defined horizon at all. It's\nvery--a real messy situation. The only thing I\nnoted different about the horizons this time was\nat one morning, at one sunrise, when we saw\nthose tremendous thunder heads out clear on the\nhorizon--you remember that?\nYes.\nWhere we saw the horizon well-defined and these\ngreat big thunder heads with the handles on them\nsitting up above the horizon.\nThey were those\nbig thunder storms. I would guess that those\nthings must have gone well in excess of 50,000 feet\nprobably to be that well defined--clear out on\nthe horizon some 12 to 15 hundred miles away you\ncould see that profile of them.\nDo you have any­\nthing more on horizons?\nNo.\nOne thing we might mention here while we're\ntalking aoout these thunderstorms, you mentioned\nbefore the l ighting in the spacecraft from this\nlightning."
  },
  {
   "n": 173,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p173.jpg",
   "text": "162\nConrad\nYes, the lightning was bright enough io light the\nshingles on the spacecraft.\nCooper\nYou--the whole spacecraft could be li';. You would,\neven through the polaroid windows- -with the polaroid\nwindows down full dark,some of these cig thunder­\nstorms were lighting the whole thing.\nConrad\nWell , I tell you we saw some lightning· like I\njust never dreamed existed.\nI mean the lightning\nbolts must have covered a hundred miles.\nCooper\nIn general in this lightning-­\nConrad\nCloud to cloud\nCooper\nIn the clouds , in this lightning, in general,these\nclouds light up like they were a big puff of\ncotton with a light bulb inside, and the\nwhole thing just lights up.\nBut Pete md I both\nsaw several cases where we would see a thunderst0rm\na l ittle ways out in the distance, and I actually\nsaw air to ground lightning bolts come right out\nof the clouds and right down just 11 cho,:,m\".\nConrad\nThere was one storm we looked at for t:1em in the\ndaytime where we saw air to ground lig,1tning in\nthe daytime-­\nCooper\nWe saw lightning go all the way from t he edge of\ne!Ol'If 10E~ITIAL~"
  },
  {
   "n": 174,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p174.jpg",
   "text": "163\nEiOt◄ Ftl?>et◄ TIAt\n'\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nthis big black cloud right down to the ground.\nVery clear.\nAnother thing that was different that I noted\nthat was a little different than the usual type\nof the whole big mass of clouds lighting up-­\none long series of thunderstorms, I noticed where\nthere was horizontal kind of a chain--horizontal\nlightning going over and you'd see it sort of\ntravel along horizontally through the clouds like\nit was moving from cloud to cloud rather than from\ncloud to ground.\nOkay, thruster firing.\nYou could see every thruster\non the spacecraft fire in the middle of t he night- ­\nyou could see the glow from it .\nThese aft firing thrusters too?\nI don't know.\nI was just trying to think about\nthe aft firing ones and we were so busy everytime\nwe fired them that I wasn't aware of them.\nI don't know.\nWe had the lights up in the cockpit\nwhen we were firing the aft -firing because we were\nbusy-­\nIt ' s unfair to say without pulling the test, you\nsee, because when we were firing the aft firing"
  },
  {
   "n": 175,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p175.jpg",
   "text": "164\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nthrusters, we were also firing attitude thrusters\nand the attitude thrusters you could see all of\nthem.\nI don't know whether you s ee the glo..;- off the af t\nfiring thruster or not .\nYou certainly can feel t hem firing.\nYou can hear\nthem fire.\nIt's not annoying or anything.\nSomewhere we ought to say here--you said you could\nhear all the thrusters firing.\nEvery one of them.\nNow, this is with the helmet on or off?\nOff.\nOff.\nHow about with it on at separation?\nI bad the impression tbat at separati)n tbat I\ncould hear them firing.\nThe aft thrunters with\nthe helmet on and tbat is- ­\nYes , I did, too.\nSimply because everybody said they couldn' t hear\nthem.\nI thought I could hear the- ­"
  },
  {
   "n": 176,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p176.jpg",
   "text": "165\nConrad\nCooper\n\"\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConr ad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nThere's no doubt in your mind that they are firing.\nYes . I think it's almost more a matter of-­\nDid you fire t hem before you separated?\nWe fired them just as we separated.\nWe hit SEP-­\nthe spacecraft just as we--\nGordo counted them down 1, 2 SEP and I hit the\nSEP button and I don't know when he started firing.\nI fired just as you hit SEP.\nYes.\nWe came out clean as a whistle, I'll tell\nyou that boy.\nWe fired at the same second that we hit SEP.\nThere wasn't any pitch or yaw of anything- -we\njust separated as smooth as a bell.\nAnd what I did, I--we held that on in there\nin direct and then switched over to rate command\nthen a couple to 3 seconds later.\nOkay, how about the--why don't you describe the\nplumes a little bit here on the different thrusters\nand what you saw.\nOkay. Well, the only really-­\nYou don ' t see any plumes.\nYou don't see any plumes off the OAMS and all you\ndo is get the glow from them back there--you see\nCO ►~EIDE►4TIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 177,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p177.jpg",
   "text": "166\nthe glow as they fire .\nConrad\nAnd it is pure white.\nCooper\nAnd­ -\nConrad\nMy recollection of i t --like white li€·ht glowing.\nCooper\nOf the RCS Plumes?\nConrad\nNo , of t he OAMS .\nCooper\nOh yes. The OAMS .\nThe RCS had a little bit of a\ngolden color to them.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nAnd-­\nConrad\nPlus you see on t he RCS t hrusters you see little\nbits of pieces of ablative material c)ming out\nlike carbon.\nCooper\nYes.\nRight.\nThe RCS plumes tend to come out of th,3 nozzle\nwith a little bit of an expansion rat:lo and then\njust to come out in almost a column that doesn't\nchange much. It just increases in si,;e.\nConrad\nYes .\nI was surprised t hat it didn't expand out\nthis way.\nCooper\nYes, I thought it would expand out.\nConrad\nBut it just went straight up.\nCooper\nI very much thought it would fan completely out."
  },
  {
   "n": 178,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p178.jpg",
   "text": "167\n~O►◄ t:IDfMflAL\nConrad\nLike a nice candle flame.\nCooper\nIt just goes up in just a contained column almost -­\nin fact the column appeared t o me to be no bigger\naround t han t hat saucer.\nConrad\nThat 's right, if it was that round.\nCooper\nSome 4 to 5 inches maybe, in diameter at the most\nand just went right s t raight up for a period,\ndistance of about 4 to 5 feet I guess where it\nfaded, something like t hat.\nConrad\nOh, I didn't really think it went that high.\nI\nreally didn't think the thing stuck up more t han\nabout a foot .\nThat i t was visible light that would\nbother you.\nCooper\nWell, it would bother you, but I could actually\ndetect when they would fire, I could actually see\nfrom the pitch down--I could see t hat going almost\nto the t op of the window on something on the order\nof about a 4 foot dent where you could see any\nline at all. I'm tal king about where it fades\nyou lmow completely.\nAnd it's act ually only a\ncouple of feet out from where the light is r eally\nbright.\nConrad\nThe t hing that I thought of when first I ever\nco~~FIDEt~TJM:"
  },
  {
   "n": 179,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p179.jpg",
   "text": "168\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nC QfqflDEt~TIAL\"\nsaw one fire was one of these 4th of ~-uly fire­\ncracker stand-up type bombs that you light the fuse,\nyou know, and the thing sort of like ·;he Roman\ncandle--it sort of spits out flame and a few\nsparks you know and then-­\nYes, that's right .\nThat really did it.\nAnd the other thing is that\neverybody's been talking about how bright they\nwere at night and maybe again I was geared to\nsee in the really, really brilliant light --I\ndidn ' t really think t hey were that bright--now\nt hey do disrupt night vision and they did disrupt\nt he horizon, but they.'re not that brignt .\nWell , of course you 1ve got to recogniz,~, too, that\nwe saw them under different conditions and the fact\nt hat we were expecting t hem to be very bright and\nwe bad cabin light ing up full bright.\nYes .\nAnd they were by comparison with the full bright\ncabin lighting--they were not as bright as we\nexpected.\nWe also went around though with the lie;hts on red\nthere when we were alone and you were firing only\nI\nCO~'4FIDEt~"
  },
  {
   "n": 180,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p180.jpg",
   "text": ",,,.\nin PULSE.\nCooper\nThat's right.\nWe actually only bad it in PULSE.\nConrad\nAnd really what it is--as a matter of fact , firing\nin PULSE and everything--you could always keep\nthe ~9rizon in sight.\nCooper\nYou could keep the horizon in sight and we had the\nred lights on, and only we didn't have them down\ndim and firing just in pulse you could hold the\nattitude visually very well, but when you go into\nany amount of RCS thruster firing you've lost the\nhorizon.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nOkay.\nOne thing we have here on thruster firing\nboth attitude and translation.\nI think we covered\nattitude pretty well.\nI think our OAMS was a\nvery good attitude system to begin with.\nI\nthink it was gradually degrading as the flight\nwent on. Getting worse and worse and worse and\nmushier and sloppier so it was not fair to evaluate\nit later on in the flight because it was pretty\nmiserable.\nBut the RCS attitude was beautiful.\nIt was really good. It was crisp and real precise\nand just a real pleasure to fly.\nTranslation, we"
  },
  {
   "n": 181,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p181.jpg",
   "text": "170\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCOt~fHIDEt~TIAb\nused all the translation thrusters on:.y one little\nsplurt of it on the forward, i n other words\nthe forward firing thruster- the smal l forward\nfiring thruster, but they were all very,· very\npositive and you got very defi nite die1t i nct\naction out of them.\nAnd you really gc,t a feeling\nof real accel eration out of those aft f i r i ng\nones, I thought.\nI felt l i ke you really were­\nreally had a big afterburner lit off when you\nlit those things.\nYeah, man, I would have liked to have some more\nkinds to mess around-like turn off thruster 10\nor something like that, and burn a couple of\nfeet on one thruster because i n the si mulator\nyou can't hold it in Rate Command.\nI think you probably can in the actual spacecraft.\nWell, I don ' t know whether you can or ~an ' t but\nt hink that the difference between 2 thruster\noperation and 1 thruster operation is going to be\napparent to you just like that and the3e guys\ni n F0D are making this big deal about :1aving to\nburn after separation from the booster and maybe\nonly have one thruster or anything and I think\nanybody who has flown that thing once :Ls going\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 182,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p182.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\n171\nto have a good feel for whether he has two aft\nf i re thrusters or one because boy, with those\naft f i r i ng thruster are firing you're just like\nyou're flying an airplane and you put the throttle\nto it. You really feel i t.\nYou really feel it.\nYes , it's really got\nacceleration.\nAnd you can hear i t --it was that high speed water\njet type sound , it wasn' t an explosive sound or\na r oar or anything like that.\nI t was more of a\n:i swishing sound.\nMore like a big hose.\nLike a couple of big hoses firing back there .\nOkay, you say you did fire the forward firing-­\nyou checked out the forward firing?\nJust a bleep .\nRight.\nWhat did you see here?\nOh, man.\nYou really see t he flames off that.\n. Yes, well, you don ' t , I don't really think you really\nsee the flames , but it throws a great deal more light .\nIt's a l i ght rather than flames--alight more than\nflames .\nCould you see a distinct plume?"
  },
  {
   "n": 183,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p183.jpg",
   "text": "172\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n10. 3 Reentry\nConrad\nCOl-4FIDE~~TIAL\nNo .\nNo , not a plume as such, but just it reially lit up .\nYou got a lot of lighting from it .\nMuch more so than\nyou did the--It was distinct ive enough that it really\nmade an impression on us .\nLet' s see, the side f iring was really-- the thing that ' s\nsurpri s i ng about the side firing was just as I--you\nmight anticipate, if you really stop ar.d thought about it\nbut you don ' t get this in the trainer or anyt hing\nwhen you fire a side thrust-­\nA side thrust-- Yes , that was really weird.\nYou really could feel that.\nIt fired down , then up , then left and right then you\nraise up in the seat or you slide down in the seat\nor you go left in the cockpit or right in .the cockpit .\nYou know that you really going to do this and you-­\nAnd you can see all the debris and evecything coming\nt hrough-- swish!\nYes, everything starts going sideways .\nAnd it' s\npretty funny.\nOkay, we ' re at paragTaph 10 . 3 reentry.\nNumber 1\nadapter separation.\nNo doubt.\nYes , there was no doubt but t here agai11 one of those\n~t◄ FIDEblTIAL"
  },
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   "n": 184,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p184.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n173\nthings where both Gus and John and Jim and Ed said,\n\"Man, that thing really went out there with this\nhorrendous bang,\" and I was really spring loaded.\nI\nwas waiting for a 16 inch gun to go off in my ear,\nand, therefore, there was no doubt that it fired ,\nand there was no doubt that it left, but I didn ' t\nthink it was that loud-- but then again, I think,\nit's what you're anticipating, and they had both\nsaid that they got quite a--\nI think there again, you and I were keyed up to i t\nbeing a tremendous explosion--when it went off--\nBut there ' s no doubt about it that it is loud - ­\nThere is no doubt about it--it's loud and it really\ngives you an acceleration--a delta acceleration.\nI actually heard SEP ELEC and SEP OAMS lines squibs\nand I don' t know whether you want to say whether we felt\nthem or heard them fire, but we could hear a definite\n\"kerplunk, kerplunk\" back there when you push both\nof them--not loud--\nJust like the trainer.\nI think the trainer is very\nrealistic of those sounds.\nYes, the trainer is very realistic.\nAnd the trainer sound is really pretty realistic\nr EO~~FIOEt.'4Ii.L"
  },
  {
   "n": 185,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p185.jpg",
   "text": "174\ne@NnDEf~TIAL\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nof the adapter sep now.\nI think they're all three\nfairly realistic of the t rainer.\nAnd now in adapter sep you get a little acceleration\nforce with it, and you feel that .\nYou really feel\nthat-­\nWell , it shudders the whole thing as you come off-­\nas you separate .\nAnd ret r ofire to me w~s a big\nsurprise.\nI t was a bi g surprise to me , too.\nI remember in Mercury tha.t everybody had different\nfeelings on what retrofire felt like , a~d I didn't\nf eel that they were that distincti ve or th~t great\nat all in my previous flight, but in this one I\nfelt like we were on the front of Stapp ' s rocket\nsledo\nYes .\nEveryone that fire.\nWe were pretty G sensative by this point , 8 days of\nweightlessness.\nI t fel t to me like we were just hanging on the-­\nYes.\nGordo said he thought we wound up going in the\nother direction and I had the decided foeling that\nwe pitched up and did a loop everytime one of them\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 186,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p186.jpg",
   "text": "175\nfired, I had the feeling that we pitched up another\n30 degrees and went streaming up that way you\nknow, and then another one would f ire , and I really\nthought we were going around a big circle.\nThat\nwas my physical sensations although the gages said\nwe were right on the money.\nBut, all through\nretrofire those darn retros did not overlap .\nCooper\nThat 's right.\nThey didn ' t .\nNumber 1.\nConrad\nEspecially 3 and 4. As a matter a fact, there was\nenough of a delay-­\n\""
  },
  {
   "n": 187,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p187.jpg",
   "text": "176\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nLet 's go through these now.\nNumber 1 fired exactly\non time. Boy, right on the money with 'I'R.\nWe\nwere right on the money.\nEvery clock we: had in\nthe spacecraft was just reading right O when\nit fired.\nNo delay or anything anywhere. Just\nbeautiful. Number 1 was still firing when number\n2 started to fire.\nThat 's correct.\nAnd there was no off-set whatsoever from. number\n1 and number 2.\nThat's right.\nThen number 2 had finished firing for a definite\ndelta time period before number 3 fired.\nThat's right.\nThen number 3 fired and had an offset to the\nleft--to the left--yes to our left which was not\nbad and I think they had r times that am::runt of\noff- set it had and still hold it with th~ RCS,\nno with the rate command.\nNo problem at all. No\ndoubt in your mind.\nYou were way more t han over­\npowering.\nYou must keep it glued right t here.\nBut then number 3 finished firing and then there\nwas an even greater delta time- ­"
  },
  {
   "n": 188,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p188.jpg",
   "text": "177\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nThat was a period of time that I -­\nBefore number 4-­\nI thought we weren't going to get number 4.\nWhat would you estimate the time?\nWell, I'd say it would have been a full second.\nBoy, I think it was at least a full second.\nTime up there is going to seem like-­\nTime--yes.\nI t may have been shorter than that--but there\nwas a definite delay.\nI 1m sure that our time sensing mechanism was overly\ntweaked at that period of time and we probably were\noverly sensitive to it, but there was no doubt\nI don't believe there was any doubt , and we both\narrived at this conclusion independently too-­\nthat number 2 came in at the right sequence on\nnumber 1 and then there was a short delta time and\nthen number 3 fired and then a longer delta time\nand number 4 fired.\nOkay, how about the visual sightings duri ng thi s.\nMa.n-­\nWe were I FR completely the cockpit lights up full\nwhite, pitch black and-­"
  },
  {
   "n": 189,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p189.jpg",
   "text": "178\nCooper\nAnd the whole window area was completel;r obliter­\nated by flames.\nWhen the retros go off you're\njust in a big barrel of flames--because the whol e\nthing is just covered by flames.\nConrad\nI wasn't even aware of that. I didn't (~Ven-­\nI 'd have said that we didn't see any flume at all.\nCooper\nWell , we had everything at full bright-••\nConrad\nI guess I had my eyes locked on the instruments-­\nCooper\nWell, I did, too, but I also was going to look and\nsee what it looked like out the window there and\nI noted that everytime one of them went off you\ngot tremendous flame coverage which surprised me\nbecause I didn I t think you would.\nI thc,ught\nmaybe you'd see the glow from it but I lad a\ndistinct feeling that the whole-­ that tl:.e whole\nflame expanded to the point where you felt like\nit-­maybe you just felt like it was so bright\nit just lit up the outside that much, but I had\na distinct feeling that you really had flames all\nover when they went off.\nConrad\nReally that 's the high light of the flight in my\nmind is going down through that--watching that\nTR clock count down and going through TR - 1"
  },
  {
   "n": 190,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p190.jpg",
   "text": "minute to TR+45 seconds throught retro- jet.\nYou\nknow\nseeing that sequential system go amd\neverything work-\njust like it was supposed to,\nand the checkoff list go\nand everything: B())y,\nwe were really spring l oaded on that.\nCooper\nI know Pete had made some comment , \"Well , things\nhave continued to fail and I just hope that is one\nthat doesn ' t . \"\nConrad\nI had lost faith in sequential systems somewhere along the\nway.\nWe had all the emergency systems out though,\nand we were ready to fire it any way we had to.\nCooper\nYes , we had gone through our little emergency\nretrofire and our emergency SEP ADAPT and all this.\nWe were all set to go on those , and I think we'd\nhave been in real good shape even if they hadn' t\noccured .\nRetro- pack jettison -­\nConrad\nStraightforward.\nCooper\nWe held retro- attitude , waited on the light, armed\nthereto- jet and when the light came on Pete toggled\nthem and off they went 11KapJunk11 •\nThey sounded just\nlike in the simulator.\nConrad\nAgain we didn't see anything. It was pitch black. Had\ncockpit lights up full white.\nFCSD REP\nNow, you turned around, and you saw it burning up.\n~ CiQ~4fiOD~TlAi"
  },
  {
   "n": 191,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p191.jpg",
   "text": "180\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nNo .\nNo .\nAfter we\nDuring\nus , but I\nstarted reenter ing we-­\nthe\nreentry and it was way, way behind\ndid see it--now, I say the retro pack-­\nit could have been the adapt er burning up.\nI\ndon ' t know which one it was, because it was so\nfar behind .\nThere was some object way behind.\nIt was some object , a large object, ree:~tering\nbehind\nbut it must have beer--what would you\nsay? 5, 6, or 10 miles maybe?\nOh, yes!\nI t was way up the path.\nI'd guess a good 5 or 10 miles.\nAnd it was up in the--let 1 s see, I was upside down ,\nand it would have been--coming heads up--it\nwould have been in the upper left-hand :lide.\nIn\nother words , it was reentering to our south and\nabove us. It was entering on the south side of the\norbit , and it was sli ghtly above our en•;ry and you\ncould see our trail clear back to it.\nYou could\nsee our plasma jet went way, way back there .\nI"
  },
  {
   "n": 192,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p192.jpg",
   "text": "EOMFtDEl-~Tt~l\ndon't know what it wasp'whether it was smoke or what\nit wasn't fla.rne--you could definitely see it\ntrailing right along side our trail just like we\nwere leaving a con.\nCooper\nYes , you could see our con--it was kind of a light\ncolor .\nI wouldn't say it was a flame color--it\nwas kind of a light color. compared to everything else.\nConrad\nWe were looking at this in relation to what nobody\nelse hadseen it to .\nWe were still looking at this\ndown sun relatively nebulous horizon that you have.\nWe were looking at it ourselves, a trail back\nthere in the terminator.\nCooper\nInto the dark.\nConrad\nYes.\nAnd that ' s another thing.\nA very important\npoint here--no kidding, saying this spacecraft's i n sunl i ght\ndoesn't\n• mean anything? That' s ani ght retrofire.\nAnd we didn't have a definable horizon to fly on\nuntil we crossed the Mississippi River• .\nThat 's\nway in the heck down the pipe on retrofire, because\nthat terminator is nothing.\nCooper\nOne thing I ' d like to add here­ -I really\nthink al l\n.of us always sweat~d night ret rofire and it was a pi ece\nof cake."
  },
  {
   "n": 193,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p193.jpg",
   "text": "182\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nIt really was.\nHowever, if you don ' t have full instrunHmt panel,\nI ' d recommend you forget it.\nBecause i:~ you don ' t\nhave an 8 ball and\nrate gyros and a clarn\ngood rate da.mping--well, that ' s not true.if you've\ngot an 8-ball and r _ate gyros , then you could fire\nthem just as well in .Jirect system as well as Rate\nCommand; although,\nthink, you could hcndle them\nin direct with no problem.\nDo you think you nee~ both the rate gyrcs and the\nplatform?\nI do.\nYes.\nI would strongly recommend that for a\nnight retro you not try them on purely rate gyros\nbecause you just--even the little-­\nAnd the reason-­\nThe RCS attitude system disrupts your night vision\nso much out there that getting all squar =d away for\ni t-- just about the t i me you I re getting right in\nto retro attitude there if you have to f:ire a\nthruster or two you'd completely lose you attitude-­\nI think the other big thing is that that is\nabsolutely the world' s biggest \"vertigo gi.ver\" ,\nbecause you are really g sensitive and when those\nretros go off if you don ' t hav11 the whole smear of\n00MFIOE~~TIAl'"
  },
  {
   "n": 194,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p194.jpg",
   "text": "183\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\ninstruments--like I said I was watching the\ni nstruments and they were sitting right dead\ncenter.\n]ordo had that t hing pitched down\n30 degrees and we didn ' t hardly over 2 degrees off\nthat darn retro attitude.,and I was convinced we\nwere doing a loop-- even watching the gages .\nThat\nis the worst set of vertigo that I ever had in my\nlife .\nAnd I had the dist inct feeling that I had just lit\noff the biggest after-burner I ' d ever haa a h0~d\nof and was going back straight west juat as hard\nas I could hold on.\nThat's exactly the feeling.\nAnd everyone of them had fired .\nYes,-.\nYes.\nAll over again and I really- - if you were doing it\non just rate needles--well , doing it on rate needles\nwouldn't be as bad as doing it just on the ball\nwithout rate needles.\nListen, boy\ndoing\nit\n.-....\njust on the ball--that' s just bad news .\nI always felt\neven\nin the trainer that\nbad news.\n°€:ON filDE►4TIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 195,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p195.jpg",
   "text": "184\nCooper\nWel l, I don't know.\nYou could do it on the ball .\nI t hink if I had my choice between ball and rate\nneedles I ' d rather have the ball.\nConrad\nWould you really? I'd rather have the rat e needles,\nI think, because I could understand them even with this\ncrazy sensation; where I might try to int erpret the\nBut , you see,\nCooper\nBut , you see , our rat e needles never ven-;ured off\nthe middle .\nWe never got a rate on the :rate needles.\nConrad\nYes , well that' s fine.\nThen you know yo·11 re staying\nright where you want to be.\nCooper\nAnd the ball--to me the ball i s the real good\ni ndicator. If you keep your rates down ·;o zero you\nstill coul d actually get off slightly in attitude\nand still have almost, you know, essentially\nnegligible rat es .\nConrad\nI t hink the point is it, it ' s pretty comforting to have\na whole bag of instruments .\nCooper\nYes , i t sure is .\nConrad\nI ' m not saying i t can' t be done, but rea lly there was\nno sweat on night ret rofire.\nGordo ' s ri15ht about\nthat. I mean, we went through that, turned the lights\nup bright-­matter of fact, it's just likn you're\nback in t he si mulator.\n~lrl9i\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 196,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p196.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n185\nLike doing it in the simulator.\nUntil ret ros fired .\nWhen they fire , it's quite a sensation.\nBut , we went cl ear to 400K--we went almost the 14\nminutes before we had a horizon.\nWe had the\nground in sight pr evious to this\nWell , not much previous to this .\nBut we were looking at that scr ewy gray- ­\nWell, I 111 tell you, we fired them at Hawaii , and White\nSands was the first thing I saw coming out of the termina­\ntor and that 's looking straight down. It was still black\nr ight behind Whi t e Sands and no horizon looking at the\nnose.\nBut looking straight down , White Sands was the first\nthing I saw.\nWe still had a rather nebulous\nhorizon about 45 degrees out the window when we\ncrossed the Mississippi River, I had the\ndecided feeling that we were right on t he east\ncoast , but by this time the plasma was so bad that\nI couldn' t really tell .\nI had the decided feel ing\nthat we were crossing into the Atlantic Ocean by the\ntime that we had a full horizon out there .\nWell , now I think our windows on this flight --! was"
  },
  {
   "n": 197,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p197.jpg",
   "text": "really pleased.\nI think our windows w~re real l y\nstayed rel ativel y cl ean.\nWe built up a slight\ncoating on them, or something.\nConrad\nI think everything we built up on them was on there\nat the beginning,\nCooper\nBut most of it was there to begin with.\nOur\nwindows were so much better than Mercu::-y.\nThere\nwasn't even any comparison.\nThe thingn you coul d\nsee out of them were just fantastic. \\/e 1re going\nt o have to crank up the pl anetarium stars much\nhigher, in fact , because we saw so man~, more stars\nt han we saw at the decreased Mercury values in the\nplanetarium, It was very confusing, which was\nvery pleasing.\nI think it's really groat .\nBut ,\neven with thi s better window definition , when you\ncrossed the terminator from day to dark or dark to\nday there's a very decided confusing area in there\nwhere you have absolutel y no attitude reference at\nall out the window.\nIn fact, I tri ed E, couple of\ntimes when we were going through the teirminator, to\nbe compl etel y blackened down, to have r..o lights on\nin the cockpit, and nothing to refl ect outside;\nyet when you crossed the terminator\nCQ~,FID~f}.~TIAL•"
  },
  {
   "n": 198,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p198.jpg",
   "text": "187\nyou can see both stars passing under you and the\nearth passing under you.\nI can't figure how you\nget all these odd refl ections in there. There's\na period of time when everything just gets completel y\njumbled and it's a real dim gray area there you're\ngoing through just for a few seconds where you have\nabsol utely no visual reference at all.\nYou' re\ndoing beautifully on a night horizon on the airglow\nand al l of a sudden \"zunk\" you're into this cottony\ni ll-defined mess, and you 're getting all kinds of\nodd refl ections and all kinds of odd l ight patterns,\nand then \"zoom\" here you suddenl y have day reference\non the ground.\nThat period of time is a very poor\ntime to have to do any kind of out-the- window atti­\ntude control .\nAnd it obviously is a very confusing\nl ight period because this is what confuses the hori­\nzon scanners, t oo.\nThe times when you do get the- ­\nwhen we had that one horizon scanner that was really\nscrewing up. It was overl y sensitive, of course,\nand it woul d just drop out .\nEvery terminator we\nwent through it would drop off the line. And even\nour no. 2 dropped off, initial ly there, a few times\ngoing through the terminator.\nYou get a few ignores"
  },
  {
   "n": 199,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p199.jpg",
   "text": "188\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\ngoing through the terminator.\nOkay, r~tro-pack\njettison, we covered .\nReentry--our re~ntry was\nexactly like we had planned it.\nWe f l :w single­\nring pul se down to 400K.\nAt 400K-­\n400K came on the time that Houston gav: us, the\ncomputer 400K guidance came in wit hin a second or\ntwo-­\nThe roll bug came in right on the second.\nRight on the money.\nAt 400K, then, I switched the attitude control\nsel ector to Rate Command.\nThe RCS Ring B came\nalready off and Ring A I took to Direct- -so it\ngave me singl e- ring Direct .\nI flew single- ring\nDirect then on down through the-­\nI think we covered the horizon adequatdy.\nLet's see-­\nSpacecraft was--boy, I never even saw-•­\nWhat do you recall on visual sight rings?\nco~~FlllEt~IIM:"
  },
  {
   "n": 200,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p200.jpg",
   "text": "189\nConrad\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nthe updated blackout at 16 + 14 and end of blackout\nat 21 +20 .\nHe updated reverse bank as 19 + 25\nfor a bank lef t 54, a bank r ight 68, which was a\nchange of 1 degree from 53 and 67. He gave us\ndrogue at 22 + 05 and main at 23 +48, That was\nthe l at est updated quantity after retrofire .\nOkay, spacecraft oscill ations-­\nCould you tell anything visually?\nMan, that thing was like a rock coming in!\nI 'd\nbeen hearing about 40 degree yaw oscillations\nand the drogue and everything else. I f we had\nanything over 5 degrees- -maybe it is just me ,\nbut I don't think we had anything over 5 degrees.\nLet's start farther up in the reentry. After\nwe got to 280 K, I was switching back and forth\nat this point from r ate to attitude.\nI would\nswitch back to rate, and when I 'd see we had a\nlittle rate build up, I 'd tweak it , and then\nback to attitude and hold my attitude on the\nattitude needles. Then I 'd wait just a few\nseconds and switch back to r ate and t weak out\nthe little rates set in, and go back to attitude-­\nback and forth in this f ashion. On single-ring\ndirect, I had more control authority, initially,"
  },
  {
   "n": 201,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p201.jpg",
   "text": "190\nthan I needed.\nI had to be very careful to just\nput a little teensy tweak in to damp the rates.\nLater on, as we got on down, maybe half way\nthrough the g pulse area, the rates began to in­\ncrease in amplitude and in frequency.\nJ still\nwas able to handle them very adequately.\nNo\nproblem at all on tweaking the rates out on\npitch and yaw.\nHowever, at about this I1eriod\nof time, it began to take so much time t o switch\nback and forth from rate to attitude and get the\nrates damp that I was getting concerned about the\nmath flow guidance in here and making sure I\nstayed on it. At this point then, probably half\nway through or somewhere on down through the\nl atter part of the reentry, I just switched over\nto the ACME position and allowed the RCS rate\ncommand t o damp the rates .\nThen, I wouli reach\nover and check the rat es once in a while to see\nhow it was damping. But, then, I could concentrate\non purely attitude .and just fly this same single­\nring attitude control. It left me plent,v of\nattitude control .\nNever once when I cheJked the\nrates were the rate needles ever off zer). It"
  },
  {
   "n": 202,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p202.jpg",
   "text": "was just keeping it damped to zero. We -weren 't\nfiring thrusters too overly often.\nYou could see\nthem fire now and then, but it wasn't a great\ntask for them to fire at all .\nI really thought\nthe whole reentry was quite stable and at no time\ndid we have a;ny real oscillations .\nConrad\nSomewhere in there Ring A ran out of fuel .\nBut\nI am almost convinced that-­\nCooper\nWell , let me say r ight here now\nPde.\nI\nway flying the thing.\nRing A didn't run out of\nfuel as long as I was flying. We still had control .\nNow\nyou are talking about down after drogue deploy.\nI ' m talking about during reentry.\nUntil the time\nthat we went to dual-ring RCS, we still had fuel\nleft in Ring A.\nConrad\nYes, I know we did.\nCooper\nOkey, I just wanted to make that clear on the\nrecord.\nConrad\nIt ran out somewhere below 65,000 f eet .\nCooper\nYes , by those f igures you got yesterday, it looked\nlike we still had fuel in Ring A sometime af t er\nwe br ought Ring Bon, which was at 60,000.\nRight?"
  },
  {
   "n": 203,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p203.jpg",
   "text": "192\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nC:et<tfilf)Et◄l l.._4\nThat's right .\nYou get an idea of how much fuel you\nuse because Ring B was tested but never used\nuntil below 65 ,000 feet; we shot 80 percent of the\nfuel out of it on the drogue.\nSo , it iB no\nsurprise to me that Ring A ran out of fuel .\nThere is no doubt about it that Ring A ua.s still\nrunning, unless somebody shows me otherwise on a\ntraces , at least past drogue deploy. It was run­\nning until at l east we got Ring B running.\nI really firmly believe, based on what we tried\non here and my feeling on the thing, you could shoot\ntwo or three orbits of attitude control and align­\nment and the whole smear of r e ~rofire ar.d the\nwhole reentry and everything on one rin€' with no\nproblem at all .\nNow, let's look at another thing.\nWhen you are\nat drogue deploy, we were on rate command and there\nwas a high frequency, low amplitude oscillation,\nbut it was well outside the r ate band.\nSo, those\nthrusters went to steady-state firing.\nYes, they did .\nThey were firing full blower all the way, trying\nto damp.\nAnd they did. They did an excellent"
  },
  {
   "n": 204,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p204.jpg",
   "text": ".193\njob of keeping it damped.\nWe were steady as rock\ncoming in there.\nCooper\nOf course, this is the way to do it.\nConrad\nThey were firing all the way, and it doesn't\nsurprise me at all that we used all that fuel out\nof Ring B.\nBut Ring B, I know, wasn't put on\nuntil the drogue was out. And I know t hat Ring B\nhad no fuel taken out of it except to test it\ntwo orbits back. There are some 33 pounds in\nRing B, and there was 4.9 oxidizer and 4.6 fuel\nleft in Ring B.\nSo, we shot almost 25 pounds of\nfuel on the drogue.\nCooper\nWhich is fine .\nYou might as well use the fuel up\nat that point .\nThere's no sense in saving it.\nConrad\nAgain, this tells me that up to drogue deployment\nyou might as well take that reentry rate command\nand throw it away because the pilot i sn't going to\naccept four degrees per second anyhow.\nHe is\ngoing to d.Q.mp before that. So, you might as\nwell use the wire for something else .\nUse rate\ncommand, and if you fly the reentries just like\nthat , you've got more than adequate fuel in Ring\nB to poop it away on the drogue and insure"
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   "n": 205,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p205.jpg",
   "text": "194\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nyourself a nice steady ride. We never :Jaw a:ny­\nthing that approached over 5 degrees oscillation.\nThe nice thing about the control system is that\ni t is a simple matter to switch back and forth\nbetween direct and rate command in the uystem\nthat we had set up. If you are damping and the\ndamping gets to be t oo much of a t ask, or it\ngets more than you can damp, all you do is switch\nover to the ACME position on this one switch and\ni t will damp in the rate command .\nIn that rate\ncommand, you have really good damping.\nYou might\nas well have a system that will damp it right\ndown to a gnat ' s eyebrow, and then you can switch\nback into direct , concentrate to what you are\ndoing, and switch back and forth if you want to .\nLet's see, drogue-­\nDi d you get enough of an oscillation dw·ing\nreentry? If you looked out the window .._•as there\nenough trailing you that you could pr obc,bly damp\nby looking at this? Was there any possjbility to\ndo this?\nI don' t think the spacecraft is that un~table .\nWe didn ' t have that much oscillation."
  },
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   "n": 206,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p206.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n•\n195\nI don't think you have to worry about Lt , to tell\nyou the truth. I really wasn't aware of any\noscillations at all. Gordo says he was damping.\nFor all I know we rode in there free.\nHe speaks highly of my damping.\nThe first time I really noticed anything was\nwhen we got on the drogue , and I didn't have a whole\nlot to do. but to look out t he window.\nThere would have been some oscillation, but it\nwould be kind of interesting to ride one down\nand not damp it, to see how it would do.\nI\nreally doubt if you'd get very large amplitudes\nor very much--\nNot until you get down there below a 100,000.\nI don't think this is true of a rolling reentry.\nThat's why we never were in favor of a rolling\nreentry.\nOn the simulator the thing goes wild\non a rolling reentry. But , I think, as long as\nyou hold a steady bank angle, whether i~ is full\nleft or 90 or whatever you hold, I think the\nthing is really stable. It sure felt that way\nto me. It felt to me that it is a good stable\nvehicle. ·Now at drogue deploy-- I very deliber­\nately deployed the drogue at 70 ,000 feet.\n60►-•Ft&tt<!T~AL"
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   "n": 207,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p207.jpg",
   "text": "196\nConrad\nYou might put down that I was reading t:1e check­\nlist off, and I called stRndby for 70,000, which\nis our point to put the second ring on HCS rate\ncommand, and we were going to put Ring Bon.\nI\nsaid stand by for 70,000, and away went the drogue.\nCooper\nI reached down, uncovered the cover on :.t, and\npunched it out right at 70 K.\nI might Hay here\nthat the drogue went out beautifully, it squidded\na couple of times--a typical supersonic drogue\nfashion.\nNo hard squidding.\nConr ad\nI ' m not sure that it stayed reefed. Did. it?\nCooper\nYes, it did .\nConrad\nIt did a couple of gyrations up there.\nI wasn't\nreally sure what it was.\nI don ' t think it stayed\nreefed for 16 seconds.\nCooper\nYes, it did. It stayed reefed for 16 seconds.\nConrad\nIt looked to me like it flew out and opened.\nCooper\nIt came out and opened in the reef condition.\nThat was that squidding you saw .\nI t opened in\nthe reef condition and then it squidded 3bout three\ntimes in the reef condition and then dereefed\nfully opened. It was as stable as a roc:ce.\nAnd\nI fully anticipated some of the lines we:c-e\n.,§Q±!flDEt◄ TtAL •"
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   "n": 208,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p208.jpg",
   "text": "197\nprobably booken, and I began to look at them.\nThey looked good.\nI decided, well, it wasn't really\nany problem, even if I had broken the lines. All\nI had to do was reach up and deploy the emergency\nmain deploy if it departed, and we were still in\ngood shape, so--no problem on it. As a matter\nof fact, the combination of when the drogue went\nout and the RCS left us as stable as a rock.\nWe just came right straight down t he glide slope\nand I don't think we had any oscillations of any\nkind all the way down, other than these very very\nminor little higher frequency ones t hat felt like\nvibrations off the drogue lines.\nConrad\nThere seemed to be more interaction between the\nspacecraft and the drogue lines than anything\nelse.\nCooper\nRight.\nAt the time that we came to the main\nchute, when I pickled off the main chute, it\ncame out completely straight; we didn't oscillate\nor swing on it at all.\nConrad\nLet 's backup one second.\nThe best calculations\nof m:ic.e and men were completely wrong though .\nAt 50 K we went on with full repress and o high\n2"
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   "n": 209,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p209.jpg",
   "text": "198\nrate .\nAnd past 27,000 feet that cabin :lndicator\nhit zero fas~er than you could say Jack Robinson.\nThat thing came off the peg and I had to go back\nto the old procedure of-­\nCooper\nSnorkel open up.\nConrad\nSnorkel vent open, and recirc at 45 deg.eees.\nWe didn ' t seal it up again until 2,000 , so that\ndidn't work.\nCooper\nThen, at 10 . 6 the altimeter and the barostat\nlight were exactly right together. I punched the\nmain and it came out reefed. It held rnefed\nfor approximately 12 seconds .\nWe were nxactly\nstraight, no oscillations or swings or gyrations\non the chute at all. In fact, we were flO stable\non the chute that in the reefed condition the\nskirt was exactly symmetrical arou.\"1.d thn bottom.\nThere was no breathing to one side or anything.\nConrad\nI think that is another thing that speaks highly\nof this rate command business, even through\nwe shut it off at 30,000 feet. By that time, we\nwere well slowed down, and there was no big os­\ncillation, left on the drogue .\nSo the 1•est of\nthe ride with no system was free .\nNow, when that\n.,"
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   "n": 210,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p210.jpg",
   "text": "199\nchute deployed we weren' t even swinging or anything.\nLike Gordo said, boy, when tha t thing came out of\nthe reefed condition, it was perfectly circular\naround the bottom.\nWe looked at movies of these\nthings and we've seen them collapsed on one side,\nbillow out, and collapse, and everything. It\ndidn't do that .\nThat chute came out, stayed\nperfectly circular. Whenever the number of seconds\nwent by, and the thing dereefed, it dereefed per­\nfectly circular. It never breathed, never\noscillated, never swung or anything.\nCooper\nAnd we never turned on it either.\nConrad\nWe never turned or anything. The only oscilla­\ntion we got the whole time was when we went to\ntwo-point.\nWe got the see-wawing action. That\nwas it. We went straight into the water. The\nchute almost landed on top of us.\nCooper\nOkay, on Rand R separation--we might cover that\nafter drogue deploy--it is just exactly like it\nlooks in the sequences .\nYou see all the whole\nsmear trunneling out there, the great long Rand\nR section going out, and all the lines feeding\nout , and then the main opens, and the Rand R\nCOMFIDEfa~TIAL\n•"
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   "n": 211,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p211.jpg",
   "text": "200\ncan goes on off. It looks just like it does in\nthose sequential drawings .\nMain chute deploy-­\nwe ' ve already covered.\nWe anticipated the landing\nattitude as being kind of a jar. It is kind of a\nwhip action there, more than anything. As long\nas you are braced for it, it is no problem.\nAnd\nthen on landing-- to me that was a su.l'.'prise, because\non landing I could hardly believe we had hit .\nIt was so easy.\nWe didn't go under water, didn't\nsplash water, or anything.\nThe windows were\nclear when we hit .\nI could see the water as we\nhit .\nI could see the chute.\nWhen I pur..ched the\nchute jettison, the chute just floated c-ut in\nfront of us and slightly off to one side•.\nThe\nwindows were clear.\nThey had some conde•nsation\non them but not bad. We could see out of them\nvery clearly.\nWe condensed them over a little\nmore just breathing on the inside, I gue,ss.\nBut when the frogmen got there the windows were\nstill clear enough that they came up anc. got up\nclose to the window and we gave them the, thumbs\nup.\nThey visually got our thumbs up signal with\nno problem. The only abnormality was that after\nwe got on the water AIR BOSS apparently was not\n1\n'\"CO~◄ FIDE~4Tt\"L"
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   "n": 212,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p212.jpg",
   "text": "201\nreceiving us. We were transmitting coming down on\nthe chute, on the main chute.\nWe made two steerage\ntransmissions and counts, and AIR BOSS received\nthese and acknowledged them and got the clears\non them.\nAfter we were on the water, he apparently\nwas not receiving us.\nConrad\nOkay, now, I found a mistake, and that is my fault\non the HF antenna.\nI went down through the check­\nlist but I read this one item wrong.\nI had all\nthree squib batteries off. I should have left the\nNo . 3 squib battery on. The antenna goes up on\nthe common control bus, so that is my fault that\nthe antenna didn't go· up.\nCooper\nBut, I thought I remembered when you put those off\nwas after we had already gone through all this.\nConrad\nWell, I'm not sure that you are not right there,\nbut I still made the mistake of turning all three\nsquib batteries off. I'm sure that if it doesn't\ngo up with the squib batteries on, then there is\nsomething wrong with the antenna, but if it goes\nwith the squib battery on, why it was my fault .\nCooper\nBut, in defense of Pete on this, I 'm almost sure\nthat we had already gone through all the sequence"
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   "n": 213,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p213.jpg",
   "text": "202\n•\nand said, okay, let I s go through and re1:,lly see\nwhat we can power down here now.\nWe had. gone\nthrough to really see wha.t we could powE•r down here\nnow.\nWe had gone through a sort of second power­\ndown checklist when he turned the squib batteries\noff -­\nConrad\nYes, you are right .\nCooper\n.And we had tried several transmissions prior to\nthis and had gone through and rechecked t his an­\ntenna switch location.\nSo, I'm kind 0f inclined\nto think that was not the fault of the Bquib bat­\ntery being off.\nConrad\nI really don' t know.\nThen, we powered t he whole\nspacecraft down when we left it, so the1~e was no\ntelling what was going on.\nI can•t speuk too\nhighly of this checkoff list. As many t imes as\nwe went over things in the simulator, boy, if\nyou don't check these items off item by item, in the\nheight of the excitement and the way it goes you\nare going to miss something.\nThat is the way we\nwent through these checkoff lists. We Ghecked\nthem off by the numbers .\n.Anytime back here where\nI didn't do an item--where I left it op1m for some\nCO~~FIDE~fR'AL\n•"
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   "n": 214,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p214.jpg",
   "text": "203\nreason like right here, suit fans 1 and 2--I\nmade a mark out to the side, \"faceplate closed\",\nso we would go back and pick them up later.\nYou've got to do it that way.\nThat's all there\nis to it. It sure did make it easy.\nCooper\nVery briefly we would like to cover post-landing.\nFirst of all, we had ideal conditions. It was\nearly morning, the air was cool out on the water.\nThe wave condition was, at the worst, 2 to 3\nfeet easy swells. Almost calm conditions, low\nwind.\nConrad\nLet me add one thing on that. We sat there for\n4 or 5 minutes in these 2 or 3 foot waves, and\nevery once in a while a wave would wash over the\ntop of the spacecraft. I think you want to be\nreal careful, and I still say-­\nCooper\nNot over the top, but they could wash into your\nwindow.\nConrad\nRight over the window.\nCooper\nYour window was the down window.\nConrad\nBut it looked like it would roll up on your\nwindow.\nCooper\nThat's right. That is a good point.\nC9:HFIDE~~t1Ab"
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   "n": 215,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p215.jpg",
   "text": "204\nConrad\nEven on as calm a day as that, boy, don't ever\nopen those hatches unless it is a dire emergency\nuntil they've got that collar on there.\nCooper\nI agree.\nConrad\nI could see that thing going right straight to the\nbottom.\nCooper\nI agree. Pete and I both were in complete agreement\non this.\nConrad\nIt was as calm as you could get out there.\nCooper\nIt was a beautiful, calm day.\nAnd even so, his\npoint is exactly valid.\nI think that if you open\nup even the left hatch, which is the higher hatch,\nthere would be an occasional wave which would\nthrow water into it. I think opening those hatches\nout there, even with the splash curtain, is a\nreal bad situation, unless you Just absolutely\nhave to. You are risking really filling it.\nOf course, I think you can get them closed and\nshut down if you start taking water on board,\nbut there is no sense in getting the whole inside\nall smeared with salt water. However, we were\nperfectly cool inside with both suit fans operat­\ning when we got the repress off, the o2 high\n•"
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   "n": 216,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p216.jpg",
   "text": "205\nrate off, and both suit fans back on the line.\nWe sat there and we were perspiring vecy lightly,\nbut the spacecraft was cool; we had cooled it down\nprior to reentry as cold as it can go. It was\n50 degrees cabin prior to retrofire and 50 degrees\nsuit loop-­\nConrad\nWe had thought when we hit the water if we were\ngoing to have any wait --and it was apparent when\nwe got down there we were going to have a wait-­\nthe smartest thing to do is to get out of the\nsuit. It became real apparent that the smartest\nthing to do was to stay in the suit and get the\nsnorkel open, get the both fans running, and the\ncabin fan running.\nCooper\nAnd this was the answer, because we were really\ncool in there. There was no problem.\nWe got our\nhelmets off, our glo-ves off, and our neck dams\non so we could recirc through the suits good. It\nwas nice and cool in there. No problem at all.\nWe could have sat there for hours on end if we\nreally had to.\nNo problem. Of course, there\nagain, we want to emphasize t hat we were there\nunder ideal sea conditions, and I am sure that"
  },
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   "n": 217,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p217.jpg",
   "text": "206\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n@OMFIDEl>~TI-Al\nthat little spacecraft could get mighty nauseous\nif you really had rough seas.\nWe did have just a t winge of RCS fumes in there.\nWe had sealed it off at 2,000 feet and it had only\nbui]\nup to a pound by the time we got en the\nwater, so that secondary o flow rate ar..\n2\nd o2\nhigh rate is just not putting out a hecli: of a lot\nof flow.\nBut it helps.\nI think you really had t o really\nsniff to--you had to be hunting for it to smell\nthe fumes.\nOnce we got the snorkel open again on the wat er\nand had the cabin fan and the two suit :~ans running,\nthe smell disappeared shortly thereafte::.-.\nYes, it was nice and fresh.\nI t got to be nice and fresh in there. As Gordo\nsays, we wer e perspiring lightly but ou~ best\nbet there was we were getting good flow in the\nsuits from the t wo fans with the snorkel open.\nI might recommend at this point for later crews\nthat this~ a good point to take that doggone bl ood\npressure bulb and pump up the water system and\ndrink all the water you can drink right there .\n.,"
  },
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   "n": 218,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p218.jpg",
   "text": "207\nBecause once you hit the carrier, the medics\naren•t going to let you drink for about a 3-hour\nperiod while they run all their little diddies on\nyou. They don't care how thirsty you are or how\nbad a situation it is .\nSo, I would recommend that\nyou just fill up with water right there.\nConrad\nThe most uncomfortable and the hottest we got was\nin the nelicopter ride back, which was 35 minutes.\nIt was hotter than blazes in that helicopter.\nWe still had the suits on. We could have gotten\nout 0£ them, but we had gotten out fairly dry to\nbegin with, and we just decided to-­\nCooper\nWe decided, as a matter of principle, we were\ngoing to arrive on the carrier with our suits on.\nConrad\nWe arrived in uniform on the carrier rather than\nin a bathrobe.\nCooper\nBesides that, we didn't have patches on our bath­\nrobe.\nConrad\nRight.\nCooper\nOkey, thatls all I think of. One thing, after we\ngot out--just to cover briefly- -when the swimmers\ngot the flotation around the spacecraft we decided\nwe would open my hatch. We opened the hatch and"
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   "n": 219,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p219.jpg",
   "text": "208\nFCSC Rep\nConrad\nI climbed on out over onto the nose sec·;ion. I\nfelt no ill effects at all. I was kind of watch­\ning for it, being careful about it so I didn't\nf all in the water right off.\nWe wanted to keep\nour suits dry.\nI climbed out on the no.3e section;\nand they wheeled one of the bigger raft·:i over\naround the flotation collar and I stepp~d on off\nover into the raft. Pete stepped on out. The only\ndampness we got on us was when the chop·per ca.me\ndown pretty low.\nHe was sitting there \"blowing\nspray all over us .\nHe had a heck of a time getting\nthe horsecollar over to us for some reason or other.\nHe finally got over. Pete took it and went up\nin it and dropped it back to me.\nI took it and\nwent up in it .\nWe had no ill effects in the\nhorsecollar and no ill effects from there on.\nDid you crawl out of the left hatch too, Pete?\nYes, Gordo got out and I powered the siacecraft\ndown and turned off all the batteries end the rest\nof the switches and got out on the left side, and\nthen with the flotation collar on, I climbed\nback over the right hatch and stood on the right\nside because it was plenty stable over there\nt'f?~~FtDEMTIAL' \"'"
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   "n": 220,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p220.jpg",
   "text": "209\nonce they got the collar on. A frogman and\nI closed tlm.e left hatch.\nI hooked up the little\ngizzy on the wa:y out so that we could close the\nhatch and get it started--~ne lock release.\nCooper\nIncidentally, was that hard to close? The little\nlock release?\nConrad\nNo, once the hatch was open and started open,\nthen it was free.\nCooper\nFor some reason or another--that is the first\ntime I've seen it like that when you couldn't\nget it open.\nConrad\nI checked mine and it worked okay.\nCooper\nBut mine was hung up for some reason where it\nwouldn I t open.\nBut mine was hung\nConrad\nOnce we opened the hatch it went free.\nCooper\nOkiey-, so much for that.\nC"
  },
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   "n": 221,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p221.jpg",
   "text": "210\nI\n11.0 EXPERIMENTS\n11 . 1 Visual definition of celestial objects (D-1) , nearby object\nphotography (D- 2), and terrestrial features(D-§l\nConrad\nOkay.\nD-1, mode 01. These are going ti) be real\nstraightforward. D-1 mode 01 was done :ln con­\njunction with D-4 and it was done photogTaphing\nthe moon. It was done as advertised at 01 days\n16 hours 30 minutes, and we took the mo()n with\nmagazine 11. We took 4 pictures at 1/30 of a sec­\nond.\nWe took the moon on magazine 9 at 1/60 of\na second, 4 pictures. We took 4 picturHs of the\nmoon on magazine 10 at 1/125 of a seconci, and all\nat that time period or shortly thereaft«?r 16:30.\nIn the meantime, we were making the recording\nIR measurements of the moon, so we have 12 pictures\nof the moon on the three camera backs , :> 400\nfilm, 3401 film, and 8443 film.\nThat WHS\nsequence 3 with the Questar lens, visual acquisi­\ntion mode.\nNow, we did not track with t he peri­\nscope.\nWe found that the boresight was good\nenough, and we didn' t want to screw anything up.\nSo Gordo did all the tracking with the r eticle.\nCooper\nI think we have mentioned it bef'ore, but we might\ne6t~[JDEb4Tl.iJL ,"
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   "n": 222,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p222.jpg",
   "text": "211\nmention right here again that when the reticle\nwas exactly boreaighted on some object, like the\nmoon or a star, so was the Questar lens. It was\nright on the moon."
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   "n": 223,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p223.jpg",
   "text": "212\nCooper\nReentry--Number 1- -Adapter Separation.\nNo doubt .\nWe set the Magazine at l/60th of a seccnd­ - 4 pictures\nWe took 4 pi ctures of the moon on Magazine 10 at\nl/120th.\nConrad\nAt that time period shortly, thereafter 16:30.\nIn\nthe meantime we wer e making and r ecording IR\nmeasurements of the moon so we have 12 pictures of\nthe moon on the three camera backs using 3400 film,\n3401 f ilm, and 8443 film.\nAnd that was sequence 3\nwith the Questar lens, visual acquisition mode .\nNow; we did not track with the per iscope .\nWe found\nthat the boresight was good enough and we didn ' t\nwant to mess anything up so Gordo did all the\ntracking with the r eticle .\nCooper\nWe mentioned before, but we might menti,m again that\nwhen the reticle was exactly bor esighted on some\nobject like the moon or a star so was the Questar\nlens. It was right on the money.\nConrad\nYes, r eally good boresight.\nCooper\nAnd t he radar was also right on.\nConrad\nD-4/D- 7, 422 was done at the sa1J?~ t.i;ae.\nDo you want\n·to cover that now seeing they were done together, or\ndo you want to wait until we get over into D- 4?"
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   "n": 224,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p224.jpg",
   "text": "213\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nWhy don ' t we wait?\nWe did that portion of D- 1 that was.. . . Then the\nnext D- 1 we did was Mode 2. This was done on Venus\nat 02 days 13 hours 00 minutes.\nWe took 4 pictures\nof Venus at l / 30th of a second on magazine 11 which\nwas the 8443 IR Film. It was taken through the\nQuestar lens visually with reticle tracking.\nLet\nme check the book to see if that is all.\nD- 1 ,\nMode 2 we did at 02 days 13 hours 20 minutes, on\nAlpha Centauri using magazine 9 which was 3401 Film.\nWe used the Questar lens , took 4 pictures and that\ncompleted the D-1 Experiments.\nLet ' s run through\nthe updating techniques and communications procedures\nthat ar e used with the other experiments and I ' ll\nonly cover them once and that' s this time .\nWe send\nup the title of the experiment , the GMT of the\nexperiment , the sequence number if required , a\nMode number if required and then any other require­\nments went in the remarks section.\nThings such\nas pitch, yaw, up , down, filmspeeds, and delta\ntimes or anything else went in remarks.\nI think\nthat this procedure worked extremely well .\nTher e\nwas never any confusion on our part as to what\nGelat,JOENltAt"
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   "n": 225,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p225.jpg",
   "text": "214\n•\nexperinent or how it was to be done .\nCooper\nThe only caution that we might throw in is right\nhere-­\nConrad\nStick to sequential times.\nCooper\nRi ght, stick to sequential time exactly so that you\nhave running sequential time.\nYou can :{eep track\nof all the great number of things that they are\nsending up .\nThey might also consider wi1at--equipment\nset up and stowage problems you have wh,m they' re\nsending these things up.\nWe had a great deal of\nequipment shuffling to do there.\nIn general, it\nworked out fairly well. All the equipm,mt worked\nextremely well except 35mm camera which jammed several\ntimes on . . . .\nConrad\nOkay, now the reason it jammed was that photo event\nindicator,,which st.raps on the film tran:,port adapter\ncable,, was too long when t he trigger was squeezed.\nThat had a tendency to jam the camera mnchanism,\nand I had to back it off out of the thrnad zone so\nthat it wasn' t tightly in there. In zeJ~o g it would\ncontinue to back itself out.\nI woul d gtit a couple\nof pictures and then it wouldn' t take a picture and\nI woul d have to reach down and screw it in.\nI"
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   "n": 226,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p226.jpg",
   "text": "215\ncCQMAO£MIA L\nwould screw it in too tight so I would get one more\npicture off and then it would jam, and I would back\nit out a little bit. We finally got to where it\nworked pretty good.\nCooper\nBut this still is an equipment discrepancy that\nshould be-­\nConrad\nYes , and equipment discrepancy and it almost cost\nus a couple of good pictures .\nEspecially, when\nwe hadn't found the ship about four times and all\nof a sudden the camera was jammed....wall light\nfit in there .\nI might say here that this is D- 1,\nD- 2, and D-6. D-1 we got, D-6 we got quite a\nbit of, and D- 2 we did nothing.\nWhat we are t alking\nabout is the camera equipment associated with D-1\nand D- 6.\nCooper\nAcquisition Techniques--They varied.\nAcquisition\ntechniques varied depending on whether it was a\ncelestial or ground target.\nAgain we can' t\nemphasize ~nough to do experiments where you have to\npoint to certain places to find things the only way\nto do it in a professional manner is to have a plat ­\nform up and use the pointing angles. It makes the\ntask a thousand times easier and it eliminat es all"
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   "n": 227,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p227.jpg",
   "text": "216\nthis sloppiness . If these experiments are worth\ntaking platform time and power to do .\nConrad\nWe've got to say here that there was so much diffi­\nculty in finding these things and getting organized\nthat we made onboard decisions to drop this track­\ning technique and we used only one method.\nWe both\nlooked for the target and when we found it, if we\nfound it, I got Gordo pointed in the right direction\nand he put the reticle on it. From then on, he did\nthe tracking and I took the pictures .\nI 'd coach\nhim if he was off at all by looking in the lens .\nWe never t ried the technique of me flyi::ig and taking\nthe pictures at the same time. We didn't because\nthe majority of pictures that they asked for in D- 6\nwere Questar pictures.\nI would never have been\nable to find it if we were off the leas·~ little bit\nbecause the pictures that they wanted f :l.lled the\nwhole Questar l ens .\nWe found that the lioresi ght\nwas perfect so rather than mess things up and we\n- - Things were getting worst .\nTo make 11ure that we\ngot the pictures, we dropped these different track­\ning modes and we used the same t echniquEi everytime .\nGordo tracked it in the r eticle and I coached him\nif he wasn't right on fo~ he picture. I told him\nc_Qb4f10Et'4TI L"
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   "n": 228,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p228.jpg",
   "text": "217\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nCooper\nF<;SD REP\nConrad\nt'CSD REP\nCooper\nConrad\nConrad\nwhere to go and I took the pictures; and we used\nthat consistently.\nNow that's a switch from what\nthey wanted but I think it bought them some. It\nstill proves that you can do the job. The telescope\nhas too small a field of view .\nI recommend if you\nwant the man in the right seat to track and fly\nthem he should have a reticle on his side .\nThen he\ncan track with the reticle and not the telescope.\nHe tracks with the reticle and he looks in his view­\nfinder just to make sure that he's got the picture\nwhere he wants it in the view-finder.\nComparison of operational modes .\nWe covered that.\nVoice recorder usage.\nWe used it while we had it.\nWhat about your D- 6 logs?\nThis D-6 log is pretty long.\nDo you want it all?\nI can give you the time -­\nWhy don't you just go through it?\nthink it might be better to reproduce.\nIt's not that long. It's S-5 and S-6.\nAt 01 days, 15 hours, 33 minutes, we had a Sequence\n053 which we didn't get . Target obscured by clouds.\n02 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes, we had 012 which was\nCQMfi,OENl~Af\nI"
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   "n": 229,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p229.jpg",
   "text": "218\nMonterrey, Mexico. It was covered by elouds , so\nwe took Tampico instead. We took two pictures.\n02 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes, 59 seconds, they\nasked for 020 which was James Connally AFB at Waco,\nTexas . It was obscured by clouds so I t hink we got\nthe Dallas Air Naval Station and it wan sort of\nhurried but I think we got five picturHs. The next\nthing they asked for was on 03 days, 11; hours,\n37 minutes , 28 seconds , we got our fir11t missile.\nI got five pictures. I won't guaranteo whether the\nmissile was in it or not. Shortly aftHr that time,\nwe got seven of Holloman.\nI was so tickeled to see\nthe sled down there that I shot 6 pictures instead\nof four.\nAt 03 days, 16 hours, 44 minutes, we took\nfive pictures of Bergstrom.\nOn that same pass, we\nt ook four pictures of the Cape and tha·; 1 s when we\nwere tracking with radar.\nCooper\nYes .\nConrad\nThen they gave us a target on 04 days , 12 hours,\n08 minutes, 13 seconds of Los Palmos and we got\nfour pictures in the mode that they wanted.\nOn\n04 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes, 02 seconds, we got\nMozambique .\nI 1m not sure how well we got it, but I\ntook six pictures down here so I guess we got it"
  },
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   "n": 230,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p230.jpg",
   "text": "219\npretty ~ell. At 04 days, 13 hours, 29 minutes I\ngot Savannah.Municipal even though they were asking\nfor something else and that was covered and then I\nt r ied to get them a picture of this Blantyre Airdrome\nat 04\ndays , 13 hours, 58 minutes, 50 seconds and\nall I got was the terrain around it, because i t\nwas covered by clouds.\nI t ook a couple of pictures\ndown there anyhow, because this was IR film, and I\nthought they might want to look at Africa. At\n04 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes , 53 seconds we got\nW!iite Sands again on a 424a.\nI got 5 pictures.\nThen we got the best one of all 04 days, 15 hours,\n04 minutes, 40 seconds.\nWe got 6 pictures of the\nUSS Lake Champlain.\nCooper\nLet me interrupt one thing here .\nI think you said\n15 hours on White Sands .\nConrad\nDid I? White Sands was 14 hours , 56 minutes, 53\nseconds.\nThen we picked up the California missile\non. the .next one.\nI don't think I got any pictures\nof that.\nWe saw the missile real clearly but Gordo\ndidn' t get on track so I don' t think we got the\nmissile in the picture- -Every one of these pictures\nthat I mentioned are Questar except the Savannah\nMunicipal which was on a 200 mm.\nThen we came up\nee►◄ rlDE~~TIAL"
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   "n": 231,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p231.jpg",
   "text": "220\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nConrad\nwith object 65 which was this small island off\nBrazil and that was 04 days , 16 hours, 51 minutes,\n25 seconds and we have four lovely pictures of the\nfirst island which is 120 miles above the corr ect\nisland.\nWe have four more pictures of the correct\nisland.\nWe finally found it .\nHere is the map problem that we remarked about earlier.\nHere then i s the only one that I really messed up.\n05 days, 11 hours, 43 minutes , 41 seconds was the\nCape radar test, and I had the darn lens on l/250th\nand I should have had on l/30th.\nI don ' t think those\n4 pictures will come out.\nAnd that' s it for D- 6.\nYou mi ght mention here the tracking of these missil es?\nNo strain.\nYou' ve got to get on them right away.\nWhen Gordo finally saw it the second time it was\njust to far away to get him in PULSE,\nWhen they\ncome r ight off the pad you can see them all right .\nIt gets harder the higher they get. Especi ally\nthe second stage.\nI got the first missile al l the\nway to first stage burnout.\nThen I was behind hi m.\nI kept seeing a piece of the contrail here and ther e\nbut I really didn' t catch up with him until he\npassed our altitude .\nJust about that time he"
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   "n": 232,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p232.jpg",
   "text": "burned out again and then he was gone .\nWe could\nhave t racked him through second stage. If you\nare going to get hi m on IR you better get him\ncoming off the pad because after that you can' t\nfollow them very well with the naked eye.\nWe had\ntwo entirely different lighting conditions.\nThe first day we had them against the clouds and the\nsecond day we had them against the land and water.\nCooper\nWe had him against that one string of clouds.\nWe lost him going against those clouds. If you\nhad a solid land water background I think you could\nfol low him the whole way without any problem.\nConrad\nThe f irst day he didn ' t come up out of the clouds\nbut he did to us.\nYou know it was clear at Vandenburg\nbut the clouds were close enough to cut off our\nangular view.\nFirst, we saw him when he-­\nCooper\nBut we had good lighting conditions in spite of\nhis being above the clouds.\nThe lighting was such\nthat we could foll ow him real easy.\nConrad\nBut the second day I was looking right at the pad ,\nand I saw the engine light .\nThere ' s no two ways\nabout it, I saw the engine light or whatever the\nfire was coming out of the hole.\nI don' t know how\nthey fired them, but f r om the time that flame was\n~l'~EIQ6~,TIA1s"
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   "n": 233,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p233.jpg",
   "text": "222\nabove ground or wherever it was, I saw them come\noff the grormd just as plain as day.\nYou really\ncould see them.\nHe really stood out tt.e second time\nagainst the sand background.\nCooper\nYou extended your eyes on that. You didn't save\nthem for the visibility targets.\nConrad\nWe ' ll talk about those visibility targets .\nI\ntold you, before I went, I didn't think t hat was the\nway to measure eyesight up there.\nCooper\nI don't ei ther.\nI think, that the problem-­\n11. 2 Celestial , Space , and terrestrial Radiometry (D-4/7)\nConrad\nCelestial space and terrestrial radiometry, D- 4/ D-7.\nI think, what I'd better do is just go right through\nt he log.\nC.Q;t-4fIDEMTIM."
  },
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   "n": 234,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p234.jpg",
   "text": "223\nConrad\nAll right we started out on D- 4 on 01 day, 11 hours,\n40 minutes, 15 seconds wi th Mode 410.\nLet me just\nread them and look them up for you.\n410 was a\nstar measurement .\nNo camera was required.\nI have down here 410 and i t was done so i t must\nhave been Deneb.\nAnyhow it's annotated on the\nvoice tape and it was a 410.\nPitch angle was\n70 degrees.\nThe yaw was O degrees and the location\nwas Carnarvon, Austral ia.\nWe put 4 mi nutes of\nD- 4/D- 7 data on the onboard tape.\nOkay at 01 deys ,\n11 hours, 48 minutes , 00 seconds we did 411 whi ch\nwas a night. land measurement, 90 degree pitch\ndown.\nThe experiment was made whi le over an\nexperiment station.\nNo camera was required.\nAnd it was done past . Sydney·.\nIt was done for\n3 minutes.\nOkey, at 01 deys, 14 hours, 14 minutes ,\n00 seconds we did measurement No . 420.\nWe started\nto do measurement No. 420 whi ch was an IR cloud\nblanket swee~ and the place they gave us had no\ncl ouds.\nWe di dn't do i t .\nSo at 01 deys, 14 hours,\n42 minutes, 00 seconds we did 410A.\nThat was\nVega and I have it marked as Vega.\nWe got some\nrecorder time on i t . It should be correlated.\nI know what i t was. It wasn't 410.\nThis was"
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   "n": 235,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p235.jpg",
   "text": ".\n224\ndone in conjunction with D-1. The firsi: measure­\nment on there was a REP, don't forget that.\nThe\nfirst twenty minutes of tape is the REP..\nNow\nat 01 days, 14 hours, 53 minutes, 10 seeonds we\ndid a 405 and I have the notation \"boreBight okay.\"\nAnd that was where we calibrated our RAD gages.\nThey were all right. -At 16 hours, 03 m:.nutes, we\ndi d 422 which was the moon measurements .\nWe\ngot 2 minutes and tape recorder on that ..\nThen\nwe go to the next day.\nOn the second day,\n14 hours, 06 minutes, 00 seconds 420 wh:.ch was\na horizon to nadir measurement and back again,\nand I believe IR cloud findings sweep. You'll\nhave to correlate what pa.rt of the worlcl that was\nin. I'm not sure that it wasn't over Ancension.\n03 days, 12 hours, 50 minutes, 00 seconds we\ndid a 408 which was a black sky measurement and\nvoid black space. It was done over an Hxper iments\nstation. It was done over Carnarvon.\n~:hen on\n03 days, 16 hours, 02 minutes, 00 seconcls we\ndid a 409 for 4 minutes over Carna.rvon.\nThis\nwas Zodiacal light measurement. At 03 clays,\n16 hours, 07 minutes, 50 seconds we did a\n41013' which was Alpha Signus or Deneb.\n\\le got"
  },
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   "n": 236,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p236.jpg",
   "text": "two minutes of record time.\nOn 03 days, 16 hours,\n37 minutes, 28 seconds we got our first missile ,\n423 Alpha.\nWe have about a minute and 30 seconds\nof record time on that. 03 days, 22 hours , 48\nminutes , 17 seconds we did 425A which was a\nHawaii volcano measurement.\nI did Monique. It\nis the only one I could find sticking up out of\nthe cloud. That's not active , but it's a volcano.\nMaybe they will find something.\nOn the rourth\nday, 14 hours, 57 minutes, 33 seconds we did a\n424A which was a White Sands engine measurement.\nI got one minute of record time. It should have\nbeen a good run.\n04 days, 16 hours , 28 minutes,\n.07 seconds we got the second missile, 423E.\nI\ndon't think it's on the .track.\nI don't think\nGordo was looking at it.\nWe may have been pointed\nat it right at the beginning, but I doubt it.\nOn the fifth day, at 10 hours, 27 minutes, 00\nseconds we did a 414 in East Africa, correlated\nwith some 16mm magazine film.\n414 was a desert\nland. It was done in the area of the Sahara\nDesert. On the sixth day, 08 hours, 43 minutes,\n00 seconds I did a 417 in the East African/\nMediterranean.\n417 was a water land measurement.\nf€0t'4f:lf> Et\\lTIAb"
  },
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   "n": 237,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p237.jpg",
   "text": "226\nIt's on the recorder,\nAt 06 days, 08 ·tours,\n44 minutes, 40 seconds I did a 418 whic.h was\nmountains .\nThose were desert mountaine in East\nAfrica. Again I got some record time.\nOn the\nseventh dey, 09 hundred hours, 00 minutes ,\n00 seconds 419 I got the Ascension cali bration\nexcept it was done in drifting flight over\nCarnarvon if I'm not mistaken,\nAnd that is\nthe end of D- 4/ D- 7.\nUpdating techniques and\ncommunications procedures were exactly the same\nas covered.\nEquipment set up and usage was very\nstraightforward.\nThe checkoff list was good.\nThe cooled spectrometer checks worked out fine\nover Carnarvon.\nWe had a go the first time.\nWe never did make the alinements.\nThe only thing\nwe looked at with the cooled spectrometer was\nthe REP.\nThe REP measurements were mad3 1 hour\nand 50 minutes after liftoff. We had a go at\nCarnarvon.\nI went to PROP GAGE-EXPIDRIMENTS,\nRAD- 1, Cold IR- ON, IR- ON, power-ON, transmitte::c...oN,\n·recorder-OFF.\nShortly thereafter we had trouole\nwi th the scanner. At 2:05 we were still having\ntrouble with the scanner.\nWe were having trouble\nwi th the platform aline.\nWe were in th,~ process\nI"
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   "n": 238,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p238.jpg",
   "text": "227\nof turning and I missed Agena BUS ARM EXPERIMENTS\nand I missed jettisoning the door on the cold IR.\nThat's my fault and I jettisoned the door on the\ncold IR at 02 hours , 16 minutes, 15 seconds after\nliftoff. I started taking the first REP measure­\nments and unfortunately it was at 2500 feet.\nI\nfelt that it was still readable so that is where\nthe data starts.\nWe got some black sky along side\nthe REP with the cold IR.\nThe radiometric and\nIR spectrometer alinements were r ight on the\nbutton.\nSo was the cold IR.\nWe had no trouble\nwith the power down procedures. It was very\nstraightf orward.\nWe never did get to do the\ncryogenic gas lifetime updates.\nWe never got\nthe Milky Wey with that cooled sensor.\nWe did\nget the void black space with the cooled sensor.\nWe got the Zodiacal light .\nWe got most of the\nstar.measurements .\nWe got the moon.\nWe got the\nnight land measurements.\nNo, well,· we got the\nnumbers that I mentioned.\nI just don ' t remember\nall of them.\nI did not get a:n:y cloud illumination\nwith lightning.\nI did get dey land measurements.\nI got the Ascension calibration.\nI got an IR cloud\nblanket sweep, but I did not get the cumulus clouds.\nC~►4EIDEt◄TIAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 239,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p239.jpg",
   "text": "228\n~0t◄ FIDEf~TIAL '\nI did get the moon measurements.\nI did get one\nmi ssile measurement.\nI did get one volcano\nmeasurement.\nI did not get the sun measurements.\nWe were in drifting flight then and we never\ndrifted into the sun.\nThe equipment tape recorder\nshoul d have had by my calculations, which were\ngenerous and I think there was probably more left\non it than I had calculated, 12 minutes and\n40 seconds worth of record time left on it .\nThis says we recorded some 41 minutes worth of\ndata. The voice recorder was used until it\nbroke down.\nThe flight control proced~res were\nstraightforward and we did most of our tracking\nwith the reticle. I ran the equipment.\nFCSD REP\nDid missile coordination turn out okay:\nConrad\nIt couldn't have been better.\n11.3 Synoptic Terrain\nand Weather Photography\nConrad\nI could sum up this synoptic terrain photography.\nWe have over three hundred photographs.\nI'm just\nsaying that I think we got some tremendous\ngeological shots.\nI think we got some great\nweather shots.\nI can't say anything al>out it\nuntil I see the pictures. We've got them all"
  },
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   "n": 240,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p240.jpg",
   "text": "229\nlogged.\nWe should be able to dig our way through\nthem.\nSome of them were done on 35 mm film\nwhich was not requested by the man.\nIt was done\non the extra 35mm film that we carried with the\n200mm lens so we may have some great shots. The\nrelay of data was good.\nThe voice recorder was\nused until it br oke.\nAll the equipment operated.\nThe Hasselblad camera operated fine. It never\njammed. It took every picture and I think they\nwere all good pictures. The tape recorder quit\nsomewhere in the third day. I've got a log over\nher e that says voice recorder tapes.\nWe had a\ntape that ran from launch to 01 days, 09 hours ,\n25 minutes, 00 seconds and we picked up the next\ntape at that time . It ran till 02 day, 13 hours,\n10 minutes and we had another tape that we picked\nup at that time. It ran till the third day,\n13 hours, 47 minutes.\nTape 29 ran until the\nthird day 17 hours, 15 minutes .\nThere was another\ntape in there and that was the one that quit.\nWe don't know how much we got on that one.\nThat\nwas the fifth tape.\nWe ran 4 tapes and it quit\non the fifth one.\nThat fourth tape takes us\nthrough third day, 17 hours, 15 minutes.\nWe took"
  },
  {
   "n": 241,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p241.jpg",
   "text": "pictures of Betsy and Ibre.en and we got a couple\nof typhoons, also.\nWe gvt them all marked down."
  },
  {
   "n": 242,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p242.jpg",
   "text": "231\nConr ad\nLet me just maybe gi ve you a synopsis here of some\nidea of what we probably have down here on the log,\nand, just looking at the pages here -- started out\npretty generally, lot of Ba.ha California, few in\nMexico , Island chains, sunrise, couple of shots down\nof Saigon, Tibet, Tibet , China, Japan, Arabian desert ,\nTibet, Tibet, China, Arabia, Hanoy, Phillipine\nIslands , desert dunes, Oasis, African continent,\nhurricane, coast line, Cairo, Gibraltar, Tripoli,\nApollo landmark, Mexico , U. S.\nCalifornia coast, Cape,\nlarge storm on an S- 6 at 01 day 17 hours 12 minutes,\nFlorida, large thunder storms over Antigua, Ba.ha,\nCalifornia, Islands and coast, large circular swirls\nand clouds, river mouth in Shanghai, Japan, typhoon\nby Japan, Tibet, Tibet , Formosa, Cairo , an S- 6 mode\n07, Florida, Cuba (if I can mention the word),\nGuaymas clouds, Houston coastal weather, tropical\nstorm - Central America, Lake Titticaca, Arabia,\nChina, earache, North Australian Islands, Africa,\nCairo, Tibet, Pete (laughter) , Apollo landmarks,\nCyclonic clouds , Hawaiian Islands, Hawaiian Islands,\nIran, Turkey, Tibet, Glazier, Tibet , Hong Kong, Nile ,\nFlorida, Cuba, West Coast, South America -- gee , hes\nI\ngot a lot of pictures of me in here -- Pete -- tropical"
  },
  {
   "n": 243,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p243.jpg",
   "text": "232\nstorm Doreen, West Coast , South America, Andes,\nFormosa, big Islands of Japan, Tibet mountains and\nclouds , Tibeten geology, Tibet village, China coast ,\nNorth Coast of Australia, Australia, China, New\nGuinea, North Coast of ·Australia, Cairo , (got a lot\nof Cairo - - we really liked Cairo), Central Australia,\nclouds at Cape Rhir ( oh, I got a reall~r spectacular\ncloud shot at Cape Rhir of a cyclonic cloud f orma­\nt ion -- a minature one) , East Africa, Canari es , Dallas,\nFort Worth, Jacksonvill e , Houston, U. S. , Carribean,\nGetmo, Baha, California, Mexico, storm Doreen, uxine i ce,\nAmazon, Hawaii storm, coral r eefs, Midpac , tropical\nstorm, coral reef , urine dump, Tibet, Ji'ormosa, Africa,\nArabia, weather, Crete'., a string acros:3 the Meds,\nl arge something, Ind_ia, Isl ands , Arabia, Palestine,\nRev 87 - Australia, East African geol0;5J', African\nl akes south of Nirobi, east African coa,st north of\nTananarive, Madagascar, clouds in the [nter- Tropical\n'\nConvergence Zone, Jacksonville , Florid.3., aircr aft\ncarrier West Coast by Windowhec , Afric3., night photos,\nclouds, Baha, California, South Mexico , South America,\nZodiacal light, moon, cloud formations in the Pacific ,\ncloud formation Hawaii, Sout h American geol ogy,\nWest- South American weather phenomena Jf sunrise in"
  },
  {
   "n": 244,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p244.jpg",
   "text": "FCSD Rep\nCpnrad\n11.4 Visual Acuity\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConr ad\n233\nJapan, Japan weather, night pies, stars, Milky Way,\nthunderstorm and lightning, something village, China,\nsomething Shanghai, Marshall Islands, tropical storms,\noil well fires in Africa, geol ogy in India, Tibet,\nSolomon Islands, sequences across Arabia, New Guinea,\nChina coast, Islands due west of someplace\ncan ' t\n•\nI\nread it -- West Coast Africa, I cant read any of\nGordo's wr~ting, some other islands, 102 Rev\nAustral ia, Canaries, S- 5 no. 48 -- wonder what that\nwas -- East Africa, very hazy, African geology, Cape\nKennedy, ice particles, and that's it .\nPretty\nvaried (laughter) .\nThat ' s a lot of film there , I 'll\ntell you.\nGreed on Tibet?\nNo , that was Gordo -- he real ly goes for that Ti beten\ncountry up ··there -- that I s where he sees all his\ngoodies. It's pretty clear and pretty·up there.\nand Astronaut Visibility (S- 8/D-13) and Vision Test (M-9)\nOkay .\nWhy don ' t we go -­\nOkay -- updating techni ques and communications pro­\ncedures.\nAgain remain the same as before.\nEquipment\nset up -- the thing we had there , of course, was a\nCE1NFPDE ►◄lt>6.i:"
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   "n": 245,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p245.jpg",
   "text": "234\nvision tester and photometer and the f :Lrst thing there\non the photometer -- I got t he first day measurement\nwith the photometer which required a 30 degree sun\nangle and this was really -- had been given a loca­\ntion to put the sun on ,the -- Gordo\n1 s nide of the\ninstrument panel to assure that we had the right sun\nangle - - okay, we made that measurement.\nWe had the\nphotometer in the window whenever we went by the\nS- 8/D- 13 target -- we got t hose measur Eiments, but we\ndidn.\n1 t get the last day photometer mea~iurement be­\ncause we were in drifting flight and di dn't have the\nfuel to set it up.\nBut I don\n1t think the wi ndow\nchanged.\nCooper\nI don ' t either.\nConrad\nYeah, okay.\nCooper\nLet ' s see , ·the vision tester, I thought worked very •\nwell.\nNo problem on it - - everything \"·orked just as\nadvertised and we did run it just as we had agreed to\nrun it and was scheduled to run it.\nI n fact, in­\ncreased our numbers of runs on it later on.\nEvery­\nthing went fine on it. I sure noticed a variance\nfrom day to day in our perf ormance\nback and f orth,\nback and forth -- it would seem to me like we -- and\nI think thi s is probably a function of how much we\n•"
  },
  {
   "n": 246,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p246.jpg",
   "text": "235\n~Ot~FIDE~◄ llAL\nhave been looking out the window -­\nConrad\nYeah, I think you hit the nail right on the head with\nthat one -­\nCooper\nBecause once you have been looking out the window for\na while , if you come back in and do anything for a\nwhile until your eyes kind of got settled down was\nvery difficult.\nThe M- 9 -- it ' s not the M- 9 vision\ntest -- it was the M- 9 vestibular functions tests of\nwe ran that just as we had said we\nwould run it\nwe held our heads alined with the\nheadrest , as straight as possible, and turned the\nthing on - - I took mine in my right eye, Pete took\nhis in his left eye, so t hat I could read along the\nside of his and he could read along the side of mine.\nI alined with the top of my instrument panel which\nis offse.t by some 30 degrees, or so, and I assume\nthat Pete alined with the top of his also.\nAnd we\nwould spin the dial and then while looking in there,\naline with what we thought was the parallel alinement\nwith the top of the panel and then say read, and the\nother man would read their reading or would record\nthe reading down then, and we di d this five times to\nget the readings -- enough said for that .\nI just\nwill say that I -- my personal opinion on this thing\nct>J\\,FK) E►~T I,._."
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   "n": 247,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p247.jpg",
   "text": "236\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n~t◄ FIDE►4TI~\nis that it was put in here politicall y , that it was\nill planned, ill defined, and is a worthless experi­\nment.\nI hope someday somebody will have the courtesy\nt o check some of these things out more thoroughly.\nGround observati ons - - we can't even say about the\nAustr alian site - - the Woodleigh sit e because the\nweather was such that we never got a look at it - ­\nt wo times we could have gott en a look at it, t he\nweather was very bad over the area and one - ­\nWe saw the smoke so clearly though,~ and the weather\nwas so clear that I could sort of put that in a\ncategory with Yuma, you know, I just wished we had\nseen i t\nYeah, I do too.\nThat darned Laredo site -- even when we saw the\nsmoke - - the contrast ratio was down so much on the·\ntarget outlines\nYeah\nThat we had a great deal of difficulty finding the\ntarget.\nNow Gordo found them a couple of times when\nI didn' t even f ind them even looking right at the right\nspot and I -- when I 'd find them, why I 'd be too\nlate -- I mean we'd be already at the Nadir and\ngoing away from i t and by that time , we 'd usually be"
  },
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   "n": 248,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p248.jpg",
   "text": "237\nco~~FIDE~~TIAL\nin rolling flight because of the tracking involved\nand the couple of times we saw the marks , you' d be\nmessed up trying to decide whether it was the 1, 2,\n3, or 4, just from orientation.\nCooper\nWell, here again, we were trying to salvage a little\nbit out of drifting flight and I realize why we con­\ntinued that experiment where we could and doing what\nwe could, but it ' s almost worthless to try and do\nanything of this type if you don ' t have attitude\ncontrol systems -­\nConrad\nAnd a platform\nCooper\nAnd a platform\nbecause you have got t o be able\nto get powered up, you have got to be able to have\npointing information, be able to get on the thing\nat an early enough date to get your angles right\nand to get all set up and to be able to control the·\nspacecraft so that you can take the right look angle.\nWhen you are trying to climb all over one side of the\nspacecraft, peer out the back corner of the other\nwindow and one in one another' s lap, one peering out\nof one window and one out the other and there ' s just\na mess and it doesn't do the experiment justice and\nit doesn't do us justice.\nIf the experiments going\nto be done at all, it ought to be done right and\n@0 ►4FIDE~~TIAL"
  },
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   "n": 249,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p249.jpg",
   "text": "238\nhere again, I say I realize why we wer,= trying to\nsal vage what we could out of a bad sit11ation but\nit didn 1t really do justice to the expt=riment.\nWe\nnever r eally once really gave the expe:C'iment as far\nas the ground observation, a really fa:Lr chance. And\nthe one time when we really did give it the most\nfair chance, when we did have attitude control , was\nextremely bad weather -- the haze was ·)ad -- it was\njust about like\nthe\nday when we went over it in\nthe airplane trying to do those observations, it was\na low sun angle and\nhaze and the vis:Lbility in the\narea was not real overly good.\nPete ' s already\ncovered the window measurements checkli st .\nI think\nthat t his whole _experiment was very well laid down\nand very well prepared for and that the people con­\ncerned with this experiment did a real fine job of •\nit -­\nConrad\nI have to make one comment though, I think that the\ntarget size was small enough such that the target\nitself , although it had the high contrast ratio with\nthe surrounding background, that they were looking\nfor , you know so it would stand out, was lost in the\nacquiring -- in other words, th3.t thing was designed\nfor our close overhead work to see it, and therefore,"
  },
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   "n": 250,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p250.jpg",
   "text": "239\nEO~◄ FIDE~◄ TrAt\nbesides the smoke there was nothing else to -­ in\na contrast nature -­ to attract us to the target area\nCooper\nThat ' s right.\nConrad\nAnd that -­ the problem was acquiring it -­ we were\nalways in the process of acquiring but by the time we\nacquired it, we were already overhead where we should\nhave been making readings.\nCooper\nYeah, I think that they might do ~ell to put some\nbig colored panels out or some type of something\nthat would be more distinctive\nConrad\nLet ' s (Say this -­ the times that we saw the ships,\nthe time we found the carrier, we had the carrier\nwake in sight for 500 miles even though we didn ' t\nhave the ship in sight and we were boresighted ,\ntracking,,spacecraft pitching down keeping track of\nthat thing when we got close enough to actually\nsee the aarrier with our naked eyes, why it's because\nwe had been tracking and looking and focusing right\nin the right spot all this time.\nYou can' t do that\nwith that type target, and this was the thing that\nI was afraid that was going -­ they've tried to\ncontrol everything in this S~S/D- 13 experiment\nmeasure the atmosphere, they have measured our eyes,\nthey have made the targets the right size, but they"
  },
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   "n": 251,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p251.jpg",
   "text": "240\nleft out the one thing that reall y made -- just like\nbeing in the desert -- you are flying along out there\nover the desert and a very, very small ·;hink road\nst ands out and the reason it does, is because it ' s\ngot the r i ght contr ast ratio.\nYou can put a 6 foot\nroad in brown in a brown field and you ' re not going to\nsee it from 100 feet in the air.\nAnd t his was .the\nwhole trouble.\nThe targets were to small that their\ncontrast ratio didn ' t help us acquire.\nI feel the\nexperiment was really a good one .\nI re~lly feel\nbadly about not getting the data, but ~1 opinion\nhasn' t changed from before flight -- I ·,ras worried\nbefore flight that the contrast was gob.g to be\nsuch that we would never locate it and that was\nexactly what our problem was.\nNow the Woodleigh\nsi te, I feel might have been a little bit different:\nWe had such a good sighting cue in that Sharksmouth\nBay, and there was no doubt in our mind where the\ntarget was the one time we saw it with t he smoke and\nin relation to Sharksmouth Bay, and eve:cything that\nif we had had some fuel up there, we ve:cy well may\nhave seen those targets far enough out t o acquir e the\nsi te and start t r acking and then we might have gotten\nthem some useful dat a .\nNo doubt in our mind that we'd\nlu€0MFIDE~fFJAL"
  },
  {
   "n": 252,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p252.jpg",
   "text": "241\n~F.IDENT!ts#­\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nhave had a heck of a lot easier problem if the visual\nacuity targets had been located up in Yuma and not\nLaredo.\nEverytime we came over the West Coast , if\nI didn ' t see Yuma, why I was surprised because I\nthink!I acquired Yuma every time - - it ' s real easy\nto pick it out of the desert and there was many clues\nto lead you right where those vis targets might have\nsituated if they had been in the Yu.ma areas, and I felt\nthat you would probably see them.\nAnd I still think\nthis is a real worthwhile experiment .\nI think it ' s\ngood for 7, but it ' s got to be revised considerably.\nThey have got to move that Laredo l ocation,\nOkay.\nHave you got anything in the book ther e that you\nwant to put in?\nWel l, yeah.\nLet ' s just run by it real quick.\nWhat ·\nhappened on each one of the\nI have several passes\nl isted and I have on the first day 00 hours 00 minutes\nthat we took a vision test, well, those are all in the\nflight plan and they are all marked on the cards so\nthat ' s not necessary to record. It was on the f i r st\nday, 18 hours 26 minutes, when I did the window scan.\nThe Laredo siting we did at 1 day, 18 hours, 34 min­\nutes, 38 seconds and we didn ' t even see it. Then"
  },
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   "n": 253,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p253.jpg",
   "text": "'\n242\nt:€ 0bt~IDEt◄ TIAL •\nat 18:25:05 on the second day, Gordo s~w the targets\nand I didn't.\nOn the third day, 13:32:40 we saw the\nsmoke -- no targets\nbad sun angle --\nthen the\nthird day, 18 hours, 16 minutes, 14 sei::onds, we\nsaw a 1 in the first row, and a 4 in t :'le second\n1 in on the second row -- then on the 3eventh day,\n16 hours, 40 seconds, we saw the smoke , saw the\ntargets on Gordo\n1 s side and he scored :1. 4 and a 1\nin the first two boxes and the window measurement\nwas made at that time also.\nWe had to, you know,\nhad the photometer and that's the only S- 8/D- 13 data\nI have down.\n11.5 Electrostatic Charge fuse :.1l..\nCooper\nWe did\nthat just according to the flight plan,\nI\nI\nI\nConrad\nYeah, well, lets see -- Ive got - - I 11 give the ·\nreadings here, if I can find them.\nMSC- 1 -- We had\n....\nan MSC- 1 at 01+21+52+00 which ended at 01+22+44+00\nand another one at 03+07+40+00 that encied at\n03+08+40+00.\nAnd another one at 04+05--50+00 that\nended at 04+07+00+00 and another one a·; 06+05+24+00\nthat ended at 06+06+24+00.\nAnother orni at 07+05+24+00\nt hat ended at 07+06+25+00 and another one at\n07+20+50+00 and that got cut short by a thruster"
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   "n": 254,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p254.jpg",
   "text": "243\nf\ncheck and I didn't record the time that it was\nturned off, but I turned on again -- but I 'm sure it ' s\non the tape somewhere.- So much for the MSC- 1.\n11.6 Zodia,5e.l Light Photc--gra.:phy (s 1)\nConrad\nWhy don't you give them the word on that.\nCooper\nEquipment set up and usage - - we didn ' t have any\nproblems in sett ing up the camera - - all set to go\nby the procedure that we developed for using the\nSouthern Cross and pointing up towards Alpha and\nBeta Centaurus with the top part of the reticle\nworked out all right.\nWe don ' t know yet what kind\nof data we got , but we followed the pre-agreed\nmethod for where we put the reticle and for turning\nthe camera on and how long it was held on there and\nthen proceeded on around to Gruis, pointing up\ntowards Fomalhaut and held on there and we didn't\nthrust any during the film.\nI think there was one\nfilm sequence we had to - - we still were doing a\nlittle thrusting to get into attitude on one of the\nlonger observations and we recorded this on the\nrecorder and should be on there as to the times and\neverything.\n11 . 7 Inflight Exerciser (M-3} '\nWe used it extensively for both medical passes and"
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   "n": 255,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p255.jpg",
   "text": "244\nfor regular exercise through the day--both of us used\nit. There was no noticeable changes in physiological\ncondition.\nI think if anything, it i~ easier to use\ninflight than it is on the ground, und.er lg I mean.\nOne thing I might recommend is that ii have some little\nbetter method of rolling up in maybe some kind of\nvelcro strap fastened onto it to be able to roll the\nthing up into a stowage type configuration.\nThis is\none thing when you start to stow it anywhere, it tends\nto keep unrolling and getting all over the place. But\ni t worked very well--no problem.\n11 . 8 Inflight Phonocardiogram (M-4)\nCooper\nAs far as I know, it functioned all right. It was\njust like any other sensor, it itched and was trouble­\nsome as far as another sensor~ It was not comfort­\nable, but i t was not overly painful, but it certainly\nwas very noticeable just like other sensors.\n11 . 9 Cardiovascular Ref lex Conditioning (M-1)\nCooper\nThis worked for some 4 days on Pete. :3:e was the\none that had this on. There were no procedures\nor operational problems--it was turned on and left\non for all this period of time in whic:1. time it\nran out of air and quit and the cuffs ·~ere itching\nhim very much under his suit, and we p:,:-oceeded to get\nhis suit\n•\ntEEot.◄ EIDEf',Tl;iill"
  },
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   "n": 256,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p256.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n245\noff -- enough off that we could cut the cuffs off\nand throw them back in the trash box.\nThe cardio­\nvascular conditioning bottle valve was very objection­\nable. It was extremely noisy. It YOke both of us\nup everytime it actuated -- with a loud thud and\nhisses of air-- and I don ' t care what anybody says\nin a very quite room, it was very defi nitely\nobjectionabl e and I won't change my opinion of it\none bit ! It was too loud and my recommendation\nwoul d be if they can' t decrease the noise of this\nvalve, that it be eliminated from any flights.\nYour M-1.\nMy M- 1, huh? Yeah, that was a crazy one.\nLet me ask one question on this. You didn't say here.\nDid you feel anything?\nYeah, let's go into that .\nI very definitely felt\nthat after we finally spent many hours down her e\nwith Gene Tuggs and rebuilt the cuffs -- yeah, they\nwere doing the job that they were designed to do.\nThey were cutting off the venous flow and I could\nfeel that in flight.\nVery easily in my f eet .\nSo I\nthi nk it was working correctly. It was a shame it\nran out of poop -- gas, air.\nI'm glad it did!\nYesCOJ)iU•IDEf>fJJicL"
  },
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   "n": 257,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p257.jpg",
   "text": "11.10 Cloud Top Spectrometer (S-7)\nCooper\nHere again, there weren't a:ny problems\nin the hard~1are in the flight that\nwe didn ' t know about before flight.\nThere were two\noccasions where the spectrograph\nI s shu·;ter was re­\nleased inadvertently ei ther in stowage or unstowing\nand the main shutter had not been -- just as we knew-­\nthis is a very weak point of the mechru1ism because all\nyou have to do is bump it against some·;hing and the\nspectrographic shutter was released -- which ruined\nthe whole -- that particular exposure •·- you had to\nrecock the whole thing.\nAs far as the procedures\nof using it, it was easy enough to use , it was a\nld.ttle bit cumbersome in shape but we used it holding\ni t -- the lenses upright up high so tha·; they got out\nt he window.\nI think we got them some good data if .\nPete will get the log out here he can r ead over that .\nWe recorded on the voice recorder as long as we had\nany tape.\nWe recorded comments on t he clouds, their\nappearance , and all that while making ·;he photographs.\nConrad\nNow, all the photographs taken were specific photo­\ngraphs requested at a specific time.\n'.:here were\nsome that were requested at a specific t ime that we\ndidn ' t get.\nI think the experiments pHople have those"
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   "n": 258,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p258.jpg",
   "text": "247\n..\nCooper\nConrad\nG©t'<IFIBE►~TIAL\ndown or they can correlate it real easy if I give\nyou the ones that we got.\nSo we had a -- and we\nalwrors took two sets, one at an eighth and one at\nquaYter, so we had a set at 1 day 20 hours 2 minutes\nand 30 seconds, and we actually would up with four\npictures.\nApparently they requested four.\nThen\n/\nwe had another one and that was cumulus clouds\nwherelver the location was -- Gordo took the pictures\nI\nand another one on the second day 21 hours 33 minutes\nand 02 seconds, four pictures of a tropical storm.\nOn the third day, 6 hours 32 minutes and 46 seconds\nwe had four pictures taken over the Philippines of\nclouds in the Philippines.\nThen the next frame ,\nnumber 13, was exposed accidentally.\nAnd then on\nthe third day at 21 hours 20 minutes and 8 seconds ,\nit doesn' t say what the picture was made of -- but~\nset were made -- of an 03 , mode 03 -- that was, let\nme look and see here.\nRight , I think that was\nS- 7, 03 Eastern Pacific and then we had on the fourth\nday at 3 hours 20 minutes and 25 seconds, we had a\nPhilippines/Guam area set again, then on the third\nday, 20 minutes 35 seconds, you had one taken there\nGordo, whats\nt\nthat white something -- oh, that white\nEO~~FIDE~TIAL"
  },
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   "n": 259,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p259.jpg",
   "text": "248\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n11,11 Miscellaneous\nCooper\nConrad\ncalibration card--that was frame number 18,\nThen on the fourth day 16 hours 37 minutes 00 seconds,\nyou had thunderstorms over someplace---is that right-­\nthunderstonns?\nYes, the tip of_ Florida, up right off-•­\nYes, thunderstorms off the tip of Florida--that's\nright, they ask for that.\nAnd then on the fourth\nday, 19 hours 44 minutes 02 seconds, we had another\nEastern Pacific for_two pictures. Then on the fourth\nday, 21 hours 09 minutes 25 seconds, tropical storm\n'Doreen--two pictures.\nTwenty-seven wHs tripped in\nthe spectrometer again--the twenty-seventh-­\nThat's right.\nThen on the seventh we had seventh day, 4 hours, 18\nminutes 21 seconds, we had another Philippine/Guam\narea.\nRight\nTwo pictures.\nYes, and that was it for the cloud to1> spectrometer.\nCelestial and External Observations. We saw the\nZodiacal light.\nQuite clearly--twice."
  },
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   "n": 260,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p260.jpg",
   "text": "249\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nClearly.\nWe saw the air glow as usual, always\naround everywhere - - around the night.\nWe did see streaks in the air glow that they talked\nto us about -- the dark streaks in it which' Jim and\nEd mentioned.\nThey are really definitely there.\nRight -- banded are~s.\nAnd we saw this one in the\nsouthern Aurora down on the southern celestial pole\nwhich was quite - - pretty unus~al.\nReally hard to\ndef ine at f irst too -- just what it was.\nYeah, it looked like a part of the air gl ow, but it\nwas actually an Aurora - - i t changed the\nIt changed the air gl ow thickness too\nChanged the air glow thickness and it changed the\nsmooth curvature of the earth -- it put a halt in\nthe black outline of the earth -­\nRight.\nAnd i t was a very green band of what you'd -- what\nkind of Aurora do you call that where it is sort of\nlike a sheet\nYeah\nthe stria or striden -­ somethi ng like\nthat.\nYeah.\nThen one other -­ the only other observation other\nthan we did see a lot of micrometeorites and I saw"
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   "n": 261,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p261.jpg",
   "text": "-\n250\none large meteorite enter underneath U3\nConrad\nObserved quite a few underneat h us-­\nCooper\nThere was ver-✓ seldom a night went by that you\ncouldn't watch just for a few minutes to see a\nmicrometeorite or two of them enter.\nOne meteorite\ncame from a l ong way out burning and went in under­\nneath, There were two other si gnificant things.\nOne was the observation of the moon.\nThe moon was\nrising out of the airglow.\nWe had about a quarter\nmoon and you couli seo the entire moon lit partially\nand then t he one part o:f i t lit brighter. It\nr eally appeared in three dimensional wlth the sun\nback over back off the horizon light:L-15 it.\nThis\nwas quite spectacular, I thought.\nI bought .i.t\nl ooked very unusual.\nThe other observa.ti0ns in t :'le\nvicinity of the Magellanic Clouds, and actually in\nthe vicinity where this Gegenschein Li1sht is- ­\ni t appeared to me to be two to three a:~eas that\nlooked like Magellanic Clouds, only mu~h smaller.\n.·, !\nThere were two or three other little Magellanic\nCloud-appearing thi!lgs,\n'l'hey weren't elusters or\nanything.\nI think you noticed them several times\ntoo over there when we we~e fiddling around the\nMagellanic..Clouds, I never could decid•~ what they"
  },
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   "n": 262,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p262.jpg",
   "text": "251\nConrad\nYes, we kept looking over the area of Gegenschein\nto see if we could see and I don't really think it\nwas the Gegenschein, but-­\nCooper\nThere was one area right almost in the immediate\narea of the Gegenschein, but not quite. It was\nvery near that area by maybe five degrees or so\nthough.\nThere was this one area which appeared\nlike the Magellanic Clouds.\nConrad\nLike a real small one.\nCooper\nYes, it looked like a small Magellanic Cloud.\nThat's really what it looked like.\nI t was quite\nnear the area where we had been told the Gegenschein\nshould appear; but, then there were a couple of others\nof these that similar types back over closer toward\nthe other of the regular Magellanic Clouds.\nSo,\nI don't know what they were, and I didn't notice\nthese before on my previous flight.\nThese were\nsomething that were new to me.\nWe saw a l ot of\nplanets.\nWe did try taking the polaroid, the two\nsheet polaroid filters , and rotating them to all\ndifferent positions to see if we had circular\nor linear polarity coming out of the sun.\nI\ntried the sun both while well up and while setting.\n..\n~19E►~:JtA b,"
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   "n": 263,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p263.jpg",
   "text": "252\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nEverytime while setting, it seemed to have linear\npolarity, somewhat vertical , but I never could pin\nthis down to anything well- defined.\nWhile the\nsun was up, well into the sky, I could rotate\nthe filters and rotate them within themselves to\nany degree and couldn't discern anything but\nequal polarity coming out of them in all directions.\nIt didn't seem to have any linearity to it at all\nor any well-defined specific axis of linearity.\nnever could see anything from the sun other than\nwith the polaroid filter in.\nAfter the sun had set,\nyou could see quite a glow with the polaroid filter\nin, but at the same time you could see it without the\npolaroid, too.\nA couple of times when we got the\nZodiacal light quite strongly-­\nCan you see the stars down through this airglow?\nOh yes. You can see the stars right on down through\nthe airglow.\nThe Gemini window is much cleaner\nin general , apparently, or much better visibility\nout of it and night visibility than the Mercury\nwindow, because we were seeing down to about\nseventh magnitude of stars.\nWe saw the clusters\nin Orion and we could see seven stars in the belt\nof Orion.\nWe saw a great many stars which we couldn' t\n\"'-=eOMFlf>El'4TIM.\n,>\nI"
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   "n": 264,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p264.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nbegin to see in the Mercury flights .\nIn f act, on\nthe basis of the number of stars we've seen, our\nrecommendations are that you crank up the planetar­\nium at Moorehead and increase the brightness of\nit over the l evel at which we were studying it be­\ncause it was, to me, rather confusing when we got\nup there due to the number of stars we actually\nwere seeing. Didn't you think we needed to up the\nnumber of that you actually see?\nYes, very definitely. You see quite a bit of the\nsky.\nDid you get any pictures of opportunity of something\n--something that you really remember-- that wasn't\nscheduled?\nPictur es.\nYou mean photographs?\nYes.\nOh, I think we have some outstanding photographs\nin there if they came out.\nI mean something that m~be you wanted to take a\npicture of that wasn't on the-­\nOh, yes.\n\\.le took a number of pictures because-­\nWe got some real good pictures coming across the\nstates, with the clear day we never expected to see,\nwhere we got two or three of the big major cities"
  },
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   "n": 265,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p265.jpg",
   "text": "254\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nin the middle of the States , like Dal l as , For t\nWorth , and Jacksonville.\nI tried some nighttime photographs with the 200 mm\nl ens on high speed film with sever al different\nspeed setti ngs just to see i f they would come out\nand what they would come out like- ­\nOf what?\nOh, of Orion and several of the constellations-­\nseveral celesti al fixes--once of some airglow,\nI t ook a picture of that aurora that we saw over\nthere and, of cour se, all kinds of su~set s , sun­\nrises , and the moon coming up through the airglow,\nand things of this type.\nA l ot of di:n light stuff\nwe took with hi gh speed fil m. It may or may not\ncome out, I don I t know.\nWe were gues,3ing at some\nof the exposures .\nA gr eat many thi ng:3 on the ground,\nof course, we took pictures of that w1~re unexpect ed\nthings that we just thought were real t arget s of\noppor tunity.\nOkay, that' s the end of the experimen·~s ."
  },
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   "n": 266,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p266.jpg",
   "text": "255\n12.0 PREMISSION PLANNING\n12.1 Mi ssion Plan (trajectory)\nCooper\nOn these l onger flights you have to be prepared for\nmore real - time mission pl anning, which we were.\nAnd we had planned on this perhaps being the case\nand we hel d al l the flexibility that we could in\nour pl anning.\nYou need to get all of the key things\nthat you're going to do planned and trained for as\nwell as possible, but the way you fit them together\nhas to be flexible .\nThis applies more to the flight\npl an than it does to the over- all mission plan.\n12. 2 Flight Plan\nCooper\nFlight plan almost invariably winds up being\nl argely real-time planning.\n12.3 Spacecraft Changes\nCooper\nSpacecraft changes has al ways been a sore point with\nme and stil l is .\nI can ' t emphasize enough to give\nthe crew and everybody el se a fair shake by hol ding\nspacecraft changes to a real firm, hard freeze date.\nNo more changes should be made after a certain date\nbecause it adds hardship to everybody invol ved, and\ndoes not allow the crew time to train.\nSome changes\nare going to be necessary because of what you find\nout on the preceding flight, but I think they should\nJl"
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   "n": 267,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p267.jpg",
   "text": "256\n~ WFIDel>~TIAL\n12.4 Mission Rules\nCooper\nConrad\n12.5 Experiments\nCooper\nbe held to an absolute minimum.\nI think that the mission rules were i n general very\nheal thy.\nI think the attitude of the FOD toward\nmission rules was very good. It was obvious that\njust as we have seen many times before, that FOD\nuses the mission rul es as guidelines and certainly\nwil l deviate from them to keep the f l ight going, but\nkeep everything as safe and as smooth as possible.\nI real ly can ' t quibble with the mission rules we\nwound up with at all .\nI think they were very good.\nThe mission rules on the fuel cells were the best\nthings we ever had, they were written real opera­\ntionall y. I would l ike to compliment the people\nwho wrote those rules .\nExperiments is a sore point with me b<?cause I again\nfeel like the flight crew get trompled on all the\nway down the l ine. There is no polic;r that has ever\nbeen held to or ever backed up on adhBring to an\nexperiments cut-off date. Very obviously, there\nwere a couple of experiments thrown in on a politi­\ncal basis and nothing else.\nI feel that this is not\nfair to the experimenters and to the flight crew,\nI"
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   "n": 268,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p268.jpg",
   "text": "257\nnor is i t fair to the operations people when ex­\nperiments get cranked in past the experiments freeze\ndates .\nI feel that these freeze dates shoul d be\nestabl ished early, agreed to by everybody concerned,\nand shoul d be hel d very rigidl y to .\nUnl ess a safety\nof flight or a significant development occurs\nwarranting a spacecraft change, the f r eeze date\nshoul d be adhered to . If you don ' t , ,you affect\nhardware, you affect al l the previous and subsequent\ntraining a..~d planning involved, and you compromise\neverything as well as the experiments which did\nmeet the agreed- to schedul e .\n12. 6 Training Activities\nCooper\nWe were extremely short on time to do adequate\nflight plan training.\nAlthough we had it pretty\nwell in hand, but it was still very marginal .\nI\nguess it was just as well since circumstances re­\nquired considerable real- time pl anning. It woul dn't\ndo much good to get timing patterns down real pat\non these things anyway.\nUsually it boil s down to\ndoing them real time.\nThere were several experiments\nthat I would have liked to have had a l ittle more\ntime to run practice on the simul ator, or, at l east\nsit down and lay out exactl y how we were going to"
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   "n": 269,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p269.jpg",
   "text": "258\nConrad\nConrad\nConrad\ndo it.\nAlthough experiments worked ,)ut r e l a tively\nwe11 , we could have used a 1 i ttle mo:c:-e time on them.\nConcerning mission planning.\nI would avoid wiring\n,:.\nexperiments such as MSC-1 .\nThey clo·:iber up very\ncritical time phasing in the mission.\nFor instance,\narming the Bus Arm Switch at SECO added an unneces­\nsary step at an extremely time-cri ti,::al time, which\nis just pure lousy engineering pl anning.\nThat door\ncould have been blown by any number ,)f circuits.\nIt didn't have to put i t on that one.\nThe next thing is the laying out of t he flight plan.\nIt became obvious that we were crowd,3d,\nSo , I think\nthey should take a more objective l ook at these­\nquential aspects of f light planning, particularly\nin terms of how long it takes t o complete one ex­\nperiment. This business of being pitched all the\nway to the nadir, going backward, th,m having to\npitch forward again to pick up t he next target , is\ntime consuming.\nNeither the flight plan peopl e,\nthe crew, nor anybody el se for that rnatter picked\nthis up until we were flying.\nSleep cycl es,\nOn the long flights you have to plan\nfor dual s l eep cycl es. Stations shoul d monitor and\nnot transmit.\nThe crew shoul d sleep at the same\n'"
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   "n": 270,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p270.jpg",
   "text": "259\nConrad\n\"\nCooper\nConrad\ntime for a period of 6 hours , at least.\nI am firml y convinced the first three orbits shoul d\nbe devoted onl y to wringing the spacecraft out.\nThere was a tremendous mistake made in the pl anning\non our f l ight.\nWe assumed that everything was going\nto run correctly in the very beginning.\nWe didn't\neven test anything but the thrusters and that was\na mistake.\nWe had the time to make several systems\nchecks .\nYou have to do a good platform check. You\nneed to check the scanners.\nYou ought to have a de­\ntailed procedure laid out in advance. If we ' d have\ndone that, we'd have lmown that the primary scanner was\nno good.\nYou should have a computer check, which con­\nsists of going into Catch- Up mode, hitting Start COMP,\nmaybe inserting a few numbers and see what they read\nout.\nWe ran into one computer anomaly where the com­\nputer kept running and running and I still don't lmow\nwhat that was.\nHad that occured during the REP exercise we would have\nreally been up the creek.\nThat's right. In pre- mission planning we should lmow\nwhat the most critical systems are to be checked. For\nus there was the Platform, Computer and Scanners. One\nof them bit us and that was the Primary Scanner.\nWe"
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   "n": 271,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p271.jpg",
   "text": "260\nwere forced into being p11t all the wa;'{ back into the\nfirst orbit, and it was a mistake.\n'Th-e--mis s i an­\n\\\nrules ,.were goud.and I agree with the comments Gordo\nhad on the experiments and the training activities."
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   "n": 272,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p272.jpg",
   "text": "261\n13.0 MI3SION CONTRO:\n13. 1\nGO/ NO GO\nCooper\nGO/NO GO' s--I think we 're fine .\nI don' t see anything\nwrong with the GO/NO GO's.\n13.2 Pl~ and CLA Updat~s\nCooper\nConrad\n13\nConsumables\nCooper\n::.,onrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n..\nI thought those went all right .\nDo you?\nYes , we had a hip pocket place to go on every orbit .\nConsumables--In general we had a pretty good handle\non those. The oxygen, the OAMS- ­\nWe had one anomally on the OAMS .\nI still don ' t think\nwe lifted off with the right OAMS propellant .\nNo , I don ' t think so either .\nWe had 87 percent- ­\n87 percent on liftof f and they never answered that\nquestion for us .\nWe did ask why we had this r eading rather than 100\npercent and we never got that answer .\nWe asked this\nshortly before liftoff.\nThis may have had to do with the fact that we had\nfull fuel but not a full load of oxydizer based on\nthat 1 ,25 mixture ratio. My understanding was that\nwe were supposed to liftoff with 100 percent on the\ngage.\nI ' m not saying that was correct but it took\nI\nus by surprise when they blew the Squibs a\ncouple of minutes before liftoff and had 87 percent\n«e~FIDi~il.l;<L"
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   "n": 273,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p273.jpg",
   "text": "on the gage.\nCooper\nElectrical--1 don't think there was a:ny problem on\nthe electrical system.\nThe problem Wc,s in the\ncryogenics rather than the electrical.\nI should say\nin the cryogenics and in the water product of the\nfuel cells. These were the limiting things rather\nthan the electrical power we were using.\nAs long\nas you could run the fuel cells there was no limit to\nthe power you could pull off of them.\nConrad\nLet I s put that to bed right now.\nThe GPO fluffed\npowering up those fuel cells after thny' d been\npowered down. If our electrical prob:.ems didn't do\nanything else, we got to cycle electr:_cal loads all\nthe way through the flight on those fuel cells .\nAs far as I'm concerned, those fuel CBlls are flight\nproven.\nEvery fuel cell in every spa<!ecraft that\ngoes off should carry the maximum loacl of RSS\nsupply so that he has all the electrieal power that\nhe wants to use.\nHe can run that pla·;form, computer,\nor any combination of electrical gear that he wants\nanytime during the flight. The same ·;hing with the\nexperiments.\nYou' ve got to have that platform. We\nkept pinching electrical power and pinching electrical\npower.\nI think we proved that the fu<~l cells can take\n@~,FIQ~t,.~TIAl \""
  },
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   "n": 274,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p274.jpg",
   "text": ",.,,\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n•\nCooper\nthe load . It shouldn I t be any problem to\nfix a couple of things like that .\nThere ' s no\ndoubt about it, those fuel cells can go up and\ndown, and up and down under load and they will ha.ck\nthe course.\nWe sure gave them a beating. Especially\nthat Number 2 fuel cell .\nCan' t say enough about the fuel cells .\nI just think\nthey did real well. I was extremely impressed at the\nend when we kept loading them down.\nWe loaded them\ndown even more and the doggone thing began to come\nup rather than fail, go down or poop completely out .\nThat thing stayed on sixty o~ seventy hours of the\nwhole flight .\nThat' s a lot . It must have been\nsixty hours at least .\nI think that the fuel cell really goes into a\nhybernation period when you cool it down.\nI think\nit almost hibernates like a\nstorage battery.\nThe way to bring it back to life is to load it down\nto get it warmed up, and then to purge it .\nAnd I\nwould have liked to super purge that Number 2 cell\na couple of times to see if I couldn't have brought\nit up higher.\nYes, I think it probably would have worked. The"
  },
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   "n": 275,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p275.jpg",
   "text": "I\nConrad\nWe didn't always agree with Mission Control. One\nexample--! would have l oved to argue with them\nabout the heater circuit on the OAMS.\nI was against\nturning it off.\nCooper\nOn fuel cell-­do you want to go back tc OAMS.\nWe ' ve\nalready gone by it.\nConr ad\nYes, I ' m a curious person by nature and so is every­\nbody else that flies one of these spacecraft. When\nyou send up something you ought to tell them why\nyou 're doing it .\nEspecially when we get into these\nscrewy conditions .\nWe didn ' t have any choice when\nt hey said shut down the fuel cell but to shut down\nt he fuel cel l. It wouldn't have cost them another\nt wo words to say what they were trying t o do.\nI think\ni t was obvious to us what they were trying to do.\nI tell you, they made some decisions down there on\nt he ground t hat I 'll still sit back here and argue\nwi th them about .\nCooper\nYes, you are right on that OAMS heater.\nConr ad\nOAMS heater was one of them and another one is the\nmanner in which they conducted that solenoid warmup\nidea on the OAMS system to unfreeze i t .\nThat was a\npoor way of doing it."
  },
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   "n": 276,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p276.jpg",
   "text": "265\nEeJNFIOEr-qTIAt\nThat was a very poor plan.\nCooper\nConrad\nThat wasn't thought out very well.\nI think, in that\nparticular case, we had all the time in the world\nto discuss that with the ground.\nWe could have\ngone a couple of revs talking that one over and it\nwouldn' t have made a hill of beans.\nCooper\nI think the time that they chose to do it was ill\nplanned .\nEvery test that they laid on us wound up\nto being a test in the middle of the night .\nI don ' t\nknow why.\nI 'm sure this wasn't planned that way,\nbut that is the way it turned out. Anything else on\nthe fuel cells , batteries, or mission control?\nConrad\nNo .\n13.4 F'light Plan Changes\nCooper\nFlight plan changes--I think here is one thing that\nwe want to say about mission control. I ' m well\naware that the flight plan people were kept extremely\nbusy having to do this tremendous amount of real\ntime flight planning. I think in general Flight\nPlanning back there did a fine job .\nI'm sure there\nwere a lot of the people coming in and adding this\nand that and changing this and changing that.\nThere wasn't enough thought given to the crew.\nThe\ncrew was extreme~ co,.u.romised throughout the whole\n€0NFl91!1'~ 1-1Ai."
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   "n": 277,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p277.jpg",
   "text": "266\nflight in the way the flight plan changes were made.\nThis was unintentional, I'm sure.\nConrad\nWe had to blow the whistle on it.\nCooper\nThey did things like trying to keep one man busy\nal l the time , just to keep him busy. It was obvious\nthat was exactly what was being planned .\nCertain\nexperiments were put on one man when th,~ other man\nwas asleep then the other man whe he wa:, asleep\nwithout any thought being given to who had what\nor which side of the cockpit.\nConrad\nI think, that we documented this \\vell enough, and\nI don ' t think the 4 crew emphasized it enough; but,\nthe people on the ground don't realize how long it\nt akes to perform these other mundane taf,ks that\naren't scheduled such as:\nhygiene , food., etc .\nThey did allow long time periods for focd, but there\nwere other things that they didn't allo~ the time\nfor such as :\ngarbage , cleaning, etc.\nCooper\nThat's r ight .\nGeneral housekeeping and cleaning\nup the spacecraft.\nConrad\nI think we can straighten this out with them.\nCooper\nI do to, but we are talking here about flight plan\nchanges in mission controlling.\nI don't mean this\nas critical as it sounds.\nI want to say I think"
  },
  {
   "n": 278,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p278.jpg",
   "text": "\"\n13.5 Systems\nCooper\n'l@ Ot~FIDE ►~TIAl\nthey did a fine job.\nI think they made a good effort\nto salvage all we could ou of a poor situation. .\nI think they really did a fine job.\nAs a result\nof what we found , and we didn't know before we got\ninto the real time situation; we discovered that the\npeople compromised are the flight crew.\nThey\nwound up cutting into sleep periods and certain\nfunctions were performed at the wrong time for each\none of us. It could have been better planned as\nfor as who did what when.\nMission Control for syst ems .\nI think the biggest\nhandle you have on systems is right on board , and\nI still think so.\nI think we had a good handle on\nwhat was going on.\nThe things that presented a\nreal question were the rate of decay, the rate of\ndwindling, some of these cyros , etc.\nThe ground\ngot a good handle on them and began to give us some\ngood informat ion on what we could expect.\nAlthough,\nI think some of them were new enough that the ground\nwasn't aware of what was going to happen.\nFor\nexample, they didn't know when they would vent and\nwhen they wouldn't, what the rate would be when\nthey vented, etc.\n£:Of4£10E~~TIAL"
  },
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   "n": 279,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p279.jpg",
   "text": "26s\n~EIDE~~TIAL\n13. 6 Experiment Real Time Updates\nCooper\nI think these worked out pretty well.\nWe mentioned\nabout needing a platform before and abcut needing\nattitude control .\nAnd our OAMS system got worse\nand worse where we had no attitude cont rol t o speak\nand weren't allowed to use any, I think, a great\nmany of these things that were put in ~ust hoping\nwe might drift through.\nThey were sort of wasted.\nIt was a waste of time .\nThey could ha.v-e saved\nour time, theirs , the writing time , and. everything\ninvolved, because trying to get some of these\nexperi ments while in drifting flight i~ completely\nimp.ossible.\nConrad\nIt was really funny. It couldn' t have been better\nplanned to work out opposite. They'd say get a\nD-4/ D-7, like the Milky Way--You'd expect to\ndrift through the Milky Way long enougr. to get it .\nAnytime we had the gear fired up we nev-er got\nanywhere near the Milky Way.\nCooper\nNo , we would always be pointing at the ground .\nConrad\nThere was one time when I tried to do it.\nWe were\npointed at the Milky Wa;y.\nBy the time I found out\nthat we were going to drift through it and the t en\nminute warm up time for the gear passed, we were\nct> ►,FfDE~~Th*lll.\nI"
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  {
   "n": 280,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p280.jpg",
   "text": "269\n...\nCooper\nCOt◄ FtDEt-ctflM:\nout of it again. I'd leave the darn IR gear running\nfor a while and we would never get near anyt hing\nwe could look at .\nWe never did get that end of the sun picture and\nyet the sun was in our eyes every time you would\nturn around.\nWhen t hey would give us some of these\nlocations to photograph and gave us pointing\ninformation, it was good.\nWhen we had a platform\nto use , I think, their pointing information was\nextremely accurate.\nI was well pleased with it.\nI thought it was right on t he money,\nWe never had\na plat form to work from so we couldn' t evaluate\nthe air-to-air,\nThe air-to- ground was quite good.\nAnd you need this .\nCOl>4FIDE►~TIAE"
  },
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   "n": 281,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p281.jpg",
   "text": "270\n14,0 TRAINING\n14.1 Gemini Simulator Procedures\nCooper\nThe procedures that we went through in-·it- and our\nt raining was pretty accurate.\nI think that we used\nthe right procedures in the development of our\nchecklist.\nIn going through the procedures we\nshould have \"\"tad; our flight type checkli~;t at an\nearlier date in order to get a little bii.\nmore famili ar with them and to iron them out a little\nmore in the GMS.\nWe should have had them j or 4 weeks earlier.\nSystem knowledge--I didn' t feel we were t oo bad off\nsystem knowledge wise, did you?\nConrad\nNo .\nCooper\nWe were pretty well on top of everything,\nWe had\na great deal of confidence in knowing the systems.\nThe systems training that we got in the GMS on the\nfail ure analysis along with the lectures we got\nby t he systems people , both the GMS people and the\nMcDonnell people , put us in pretty good s·1ape\nsyst em wise.\nWe were in excellent shape ,:::oncerning\nlaunch t raining.\nI might say that i f the::-e is any\nchanging to be done we should emphasize the nominal\nlaunch more.\nWe ran through al l types of emergencies.\nWe had some good sessions on the DCPS.\nWe had some\neot-~FIDE~~T1At"
  },
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   "n": 282,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p282.jpg",
   "text": "271\ncreo~4ffDEMftA~\nwasted time down here trying to crank up some of\nthese launch failures that take quite a while to\nreset on the GMS .\nWe should have gone through them\non the DCPS and let them go at that. It was a\nwaste of valuable time during the last few days.\nMany precious hours were wasted cranking the program\ninto the GMS to go through some of the failure modes\nthat we could have done in a tenth of the time on\nthe DCPS .\nDue to the shortage of time we cut way\nback on nominal training.\nWe could have had more\nnominal launches, nominal insertions , nominal\ninsertion checklist, nominal preretro , and nominal\nret ro, etc .\nConrad\nThe best day we had was the day before the act ual\nflight.\nThe day after we had scrubbed.\nWe ran\nabout 8 nominal launches.\nAbout 4 reentries all\nthe way through to the end and that really put\nthe frosting on the cake.\nCooper\nYes , we should have had another day of t hat before\nthe first attempted launch.\nAs it turned out we\ngot into reasonable shape because of that one scrub\ndate .\nWe really put it to good use.\nConrad\nWe got a chance to go over the books some more and"
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   "n": 283,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p283.jpg",
   "text": "272\nlearn things that really helped.\nCooper\nWe were short on nominal time .\nConrad\nI can' t say enough for the way Deke schEiduled the\nthings when he asked for t wo weeks.\nHe was right\non the button.\nWe could have used a couple more\ndays.\nCooper\nYes.\nConrad\nA little more nomi nal training like that to polish\nit off. If we had, I don't think Gordo woul d have\nput the drogue out at 70.\nAnd I don' t t hink I would\nhave left all the Squibb batter ies off.\nWe shouldn' t\nmake those kind of mistakes.\nCooper\nWe would have had more time to run through the nominal\nprocedures and get them down.\nCon.rad\nWe 're the first ones to admit that we maie them,\nbecause we just didn't have the f light checklist\n. I\nfinished all the time .\nWe didn't run· ~hat thing that\nmany times.\nCooper\nWe ran very little orbital training othe:r than the\nREP .\nI think we spent a great deal of t'ime on the\nrendezvous and the REP, because it was the first\npriority.\nConrad\nOne thing that slipped by us , too, was that it took\nCOt-c!FIDEt◄TIM."
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   "n": 284,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p284.jpg",
   "text": "273\nus a whole day and a half in flight to realized\nthat these experiments were going to run so\nsuccessively close t o one another.\nThe one thing\nthat we were not prepared for on the ground and had\nto learn in the air was how to organize a series\nof di fferent experiments to run them in a row.\nI ' m not sure we coul d have figured this out on the\nground.\nCooper\nOne thing we could have done if we had had the time ,\nwe could have taken one of these Stateside passes\nthat we knew would really be cluttered and run\nthrough it in real time.\nConrad\nI think the recommendation here is what\nshould be done in the future for a flight that\nhad experiments like this one.\nI ' d run a\nsim-net- sim with Houston.\nWe had individually\ner ected and taken down and put up every experiment\nenough times that we had no problem in assembling\nanything.\nWe had no problem in knowing where\neverything was, we knew where everything was in the\nspacecraft and we got it in the shortest amount\nof time as possible even in the f light .\nWe didn ' t\nhave any trouble in that way.\nThe one thing that\nwe did miss was, and they have a sim net sim of\n'90NFtoENll,_, \""
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   "n": 285,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p285.jpg",
   "text": "274\neoMEIDEt◄ TIA •\nrevs 15 and 16. It might have been a good idea\nif we ha.d listened to it in that we might have\npicked up the fact that the sequential ,::-unning\nrequired just a little bit different opnration.\nAgain, I'm not sure that you can practice this on\nthe ground, because at the times we ha.d the gear\nout we wouldn't have been able to load any spacecraft\non the ground the way we wound up using it in zero g.\nI had lenses floating on the floor and film magazines\nhanging by just a couple of little velcJ:o t hreads\non the overhead which you couldn't have done in a\n1 g horizontal environment.\nYou couldn't stow your\ngear around the cockpit like you can during zero g.\nMaybe you might compromise here.\nYou mj_ght consider\na sim net sim to get some idea of how things are\ngoing to run into one another, and then if you're\nup for 4 days or something like that, yc,u might\ntake an orbit to lay out a series so y01:.. can learn\nhow to stick stuff around the spacecraft.. It's\nnot apparent to you on the ground exactJy how you\nwind up storing that stuff.\nWe really ca.me up with\nsome new places to stash gear as the re~ult of being\nin zero g.\n.."
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   "n": 286,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p286.jpg",
   "text": "275\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nFCSD REP\nCooper\nYes, that's right.\nOkay, rendezvous is not applicable.\nIf there was one area that we were pretty well trained\non, t hat was retrofi re.\nYes.\nI think we were in good shape for retrofire .\nWe had\nour checklist for a long time for pre-ret rofire\nand retrofire.\nWe were in good shape , well-trained,\nand we went right through it like clockwork.\nI\nthink this area we were sitting r i ght on top ot\nNo\nproblem at all.\nWe were in good shape in SECO, too.\nWe went through\nthose SECO procedures in dandy shape.\nGot the\nnumbers out of t he computer and had all of the\nse~uences and so forth and got that well down in\nthe GMS .\nOn rendezvous, how do you feel about the GMS training?\nThe procedures that we learned in the simulator were\nfine, but you just can't take away that out-the­\nwindow simulation.\nWhen you add the out- the-window\nelement to it, it's di fferent. It ' s easier when\nyou kick the REP out a.hd there it is out t here\nvisually you can do it fine.\nThe training that\nwe had up at McDonnell on that simulator was just\nidentical to flight. Didn't you feel like we were\n\\cOMilOEMlt~"
  },
  {
   "n": 287,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p287.jpg",
   "text": "276\nConrad\n•\nalmost in the McDonnell simulator when we got the\nREP out? Just exactly.\nThat training that we\ndid up there with the visual presentation was\ninvaluable .\nA lot of people don't realize how time critical\nthat whole REP maneuver was.\nWe didn't realize it\neven when we ran it at McDonnell.\nWhen we ran at\nMcDonnell , we had a visual di splay and no outside\nencumberances and no other systems.\nWe had a\ncomputer.\nGordo had a ball and an out-the-window\ndi splay, a reticle and a hand controlle:c-.\nI had\na computer and an MDIU over there and t ·:iat was it.\nAnd we would sit there, shoot the breez,= , talk to\nthe guys out the window and run that tb:i.ng.\nI\ndon' t think we became aware of how crit :i.cal it was\nuntil we came down to the Cape and got :m that\nfirst sim-net -sim.\nThen we had the ground honking\non the horn.\nThey wanted information.\nWe had a\nspacecraft around us in the GMS , and theiy could\nthrow in little cliches every once in a while,\nwhich t hey did. It turned out that we e~t little\ncliches in flight starting out.\nThe one• thing that\nwe spent an awful lot of hours on was the REP."
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   "n": 288,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p288.jpg",
   "text": "277\nI'll tell you I wouldn' t have given you a nickels\nchance if we didn ' t have up systems.\nWe would have\nhad to fallen back on one of those backup jobber\ndoos.\nThat would have been pure luck.\nEut I\nwouldn't have made a mistake reading it. You are\njust reading the checklist.\nThey were extremely\ncomplicated and long-winded.\nNow I guess they\nsimplified this a lot in Spacecraft 6; we were up\nagainst the wall. We had to stop somewhere; take it\nand work with it or we weren't going to get it\ndone.\nThey were still in the process or ironing\nout the procedures.\nWe did more of an evaluation,\nalthough it was a learning process, but we were\ninvolved in the evaluati on stage , which was not the\ntime for us to be doing this."
  },
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   "n": 289,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p289.jpg",
   "text": "278\nConrad\nLet me just add one thing.\nMy recommendation is\nthat you are going to have to be extremely careful\nwith the mission planning people becau:rn I saw what\nhappened to us.\nEvery f l ight is going to have a\ndifferent rendezvous.\nSomebody is going to want\nto start changing something, or mickey•-mousing\naround.\nI think it is going to wind u:;, to be a crew\nresponsibility and that a couple of mo,~ths before the\nf light they really put the axe to them to stop.\nvlhether it is the best way to do it or not, the more\nyou do in rendezvous, the more complicated it is\nand the more time critical it is doing the maneuvers.\nThe computer is a complex little gadget and can really\nf oul you up if you make one mistake.\n'3o , training­\nwise I can 1 t emphasize running the mis3ion the way\nit is really going to run in real time.\nWe haven't\nenough time to really get it down.\nCooper\nCut i t off at an early date, so you ca1 adequately\nt rain on i t .\nI can't conceive that you could ever\nget the off-sets that we were using in some of our\nr etrofire training. Plus , I don ' t th~1k we are using\nthe right torquing moments on our Rate Command\nsystem.\nThe trainer doesn 1 t have anyw.~ere near the\nbrute power that the actual RCS Rate CJmmand has."
  },
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   "n": 290,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p290.jpg",
   "text": "279\nIt is a great deal of difference.\nConrad\nYes, it was a pretty tight system.\nThis is probably\na function of each individual syst em because I\nremember Jim mentioning the fact that it was so much\nsloppier in Rate Command RCS and there is a differ­\nence in the tolerance. But it sure wasn't apparent\nto us.\nBoth the OAMS and RCS Rate Command systems\nwere just as tight as they could be.\nCooper\nWell, the OAMS Rate Command system definitely was\ntighter because you could come zapping around with it\nand the second you let go of the handle it stopped\nright there.\nBarn, it never even quivered, just\nheld right there.\nConrad\nYes, we must have had an outstanding set of rate\ngyros.\nThe RCS Rate Command there had a wider\nband.\nThere was so much power and authority\nin the RCS Rate Command that it actually gave me\na little bit of problem just hitting the point,\ngetting lined up on it for retrofire.\nThere was just\nso much authority you had trouble getting just\nsmall amounts of control force until you got\nused to it.\nThere was so much power there,\nalmost more power than you needed for fine\ncontr ol. It would be interesting to simulate"
  },
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   "n": 291,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p291.jpg",
   "text": "280\nsimilar control torques on the GMS to Eee what\nkind of off - sets it would take before contr ol\nproblems are encountered.\nI don ' t belj eve that\nyou would actually set one of the rockeits off\nenough to bother you.\nPossibly, you could\nsince it is not a straightline functi on.\nCooper\nWe had had adequate amount of reentry ·;raining.\nIf we ' d had a thousand hours more we would not have\ndone anything differently than we did.\nConrad\nThe reent ry in the simul ator and the roentry •\nin flight up to a point went right down the\nline , I would say to slightly after guidance\ninitiate.\nThen, the ball angles were ~xtremely\nsteep in flight in comparison to the h·ainer.\nI\nwould very much like to go back and ta«e a look at\nthis on the t rainer while it is fresh in my mind.\nI always use the horizon for roll reference in addi­\ntion to the r oll bug.\nThe horizon di sappeared too\nsoon on our reentry.\nWe were looking at all white\non the ball there for a long t ime.\nCooper\nWe pitched on up pretty good.\nConrad\nYes, we trimmed out at an awful high angle. The\nstagnation point on the spacecraft inc.icated we were"
  },
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   "n": 292,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p292.jpg",
   "text": "281\nin the ball park with the previous spacecraft.\nCooper\nIt had to be traveling right because as long as you\nkeep your rates zeroed it is going to trim to its\nproper trim point.\nI agree with you completely. It\nseemed to me as though we trimmed a lot nose higher\nmuch earlier in the reentry than we did in the\nsimulator.\nYou have less nose up above the horizon\nfor a longer period of time in the simulator than you\ndo in the actual case.\nConrad\nThat was the only thing that seemed different about\nthe reentry.\nCooper\nIt didn't concern me because I knew we were damped\nand trimed out okay.\nConrad\nYes, I knew we were in good shape, but it was a sig­\nnificant enough difference so as to be a glaring dif­\nference with the simulator.\nCooper\nI don't know whether it actually was the case or not,\nbut the reentry seemed to go much faster than it did\non the simulator.\nConrad\nFrom Guidance Initiate to 100 000 feet , it seemed to\npass at considerable less a.mount of time than it does\nin the simulator.\nCooper\nYes, it sure seemed to me like it did.\nThat is some­\nthing I think we ought to have people check into to"
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   "n": 293,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p293.jpg",
   "text": "282\nsee what the actual time difference ws.s. Maybe it\nwas just us.\nConrad\nThey can ring that out real easy. We can improve\nthe reentry on the simulator a little bit, it's\ndifferent in this respect.\nCooper\nOkay, Crew Station.\nI have the same C)mment that I\nmade after Mercury on that.\nI think t::lat it is just\nt oo bad that we can' t have horizontal 3imulators be­\ncause that is exactly the way you are :in orbit. You\nare not laying on your back, you are ~1 a horizontal\nconfiguration. If your simulator ran horizontal you\nwould be standing just like you would be in orbit.\nOrientation is entirely different.\nConrad\nI compliment the Gemini crew station on the layout of\nt he para.meters that are displayed to you.\nI feel that\nthere are some other para.meters that I would like to\nhave seen displayed in the spacecraft throughout the\nflight.\nAs an example, I ha te to rely on the ground\nfor radiator temperatures or have them call me to\nheat up a cooling loop.\nThat type of thing is an\nonboard function. It is very nice that the ground\nmonitors and takes care of you.\nThe spacecraft was\nextremely well layed out, and as we thought in the\nsimulator it turned out to be true in flight ."
  },
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   "n": 294,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p294.jpg",
   "text": "€0►◄ Ftf!JEMT\n283\nCooper\nI think the simulator people down here did a great\njob getting the simulator up to our spacecraft\nconfiguration.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nWhen we came down here it was pretty close to oux\nflight configuration.\nConrad\nYes.\nCooper\nStowage wise, they had i t in pretty good shape.\nConrad\nWith particular reference with Apoll o, having worked\nfor 2 years in the Apollo cockpits, and having now\nflown a Gemini, and knowing that these two cockpi t s\nhave been layed out as far as I'm concerned, with\ntwo different philosophies, and I think this i& the\nright one."
  },
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   "n": 295,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p295.jpg",
   "text": "14. 2 LTV and DCPS\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nI can't really say how accurat e t hey uere because\nwe had a nominal mission.\nI think that they were\ngood training.\nI think a certain amount of that is\nvery good, very essential .\nI think there again we\nhave to be very careful not to over emphasize it.\nI don ' t believe we did in our case.\nJ think we had\njust about the right amount, although I think there\nwas a number of people who were concerned that we\ncould have used maybe more DCPS .\nI'll say one thing about the DCPS hor izon.\nI\nthought that that worked out just almost the way\nit actually happened.\n('\nYes sir, I do to.\nI would l ike to-­\nBoy, that horizon came in the window just about\nthe same t i me you saw - ­\nI think that DCPS should really be utilized to ad­\nvantage as far as this out-the-'window reference.\nJust\ncrank it just a l ittle beyond and do a little bit of\nwork as far as out- the-window referencing and I think\nit will be an extreme help.\nI wonder i f we might not be able to do some help\non platforrn aligning and this sort of :3tuff.\nI\nwoul d like to go back again and look at the DCPS\n.et◄ FteENTl,t(w\n•"
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   "n": 296,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p296.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n285\nfrom now - having seen an alined platform.\nI really\nwas quite surpr ised at what 0-0-0 looked like. It\nwasn I t anything like what I imagined it was going i,\nto l ook l ike.\nI think we were both surprised when\nwe got up there and got the platform alined and\nreally looked at 0-0-0, that it looked the way it\ndid.\nAnd you are also banked.\nYes .\nYou are banked right and I'm banked left.\nYes .\n14. 3\nMAC Engineering Simulator\nCooper\nOkay.\nThe MAC Engineering Simulator.\nConrad\nI can't say enough for that half a day we spent on\nlaunches reading out Math Flow 6, on the computer.\nCooper\nThat's right. And the reentries . .. •\nConrad\nThat•s the most worthwhile half a day I spent as far\nas my side of the spacecraft went.\nCooper\nThe reentries I thought we did at MAC Engineering\nSimulator were just exactly' like the reentry we did.\nI think it was real good.\nI think, of course, the\nrendezvous we did up there .we tave al ready mentioned,\nI thought were probably one of the best things we did."
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   "n": 297,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p297.jpg",
   "text": "286\n•\n14.4 Centrifuge\nConrad\nWe didn ' t miss the centrifuge at al l. The fact that\nwe didn't go, I didn ' t feel that I wae1 left out of\nanything.\nCooper\nNo, I don't think we missed a thing wi th the centri­\nfuge.\nConrad\nI think you should ride it, you know, a time or two\nor something like that.\nCooper\nI think if nobody has ever ridden cen·;rifuge-­\nConrad\n• . ..boost profile or reentry profile :.s worth running\na coupl e of nominals in your shirt sl eeves.\nI don't\nthink you need instruments or anything, but-­\nCooper\nI think if no one has ever ridden one before I think\nit is worthwhile they ride the centri::uge just to get\nthe feel of what it is like. But, so far as-- you\nnever even feel those g's.\nYou don't even know you'.ve\ngot g's. You are so busy doing thing13 and you're\njust \"clickt y-cli ckty-cl ick.\" You don 't notice them\nat all .\nAnd that l evel of g is not enough to even\nworry about.\n14.5 Translation and Docking Trainer\nConrad\nThe tracking tests that we did on the Agena, you know,\nfor the camera, was real good.\nI diQ1 1 t do the one\nup in Denver but the one in the Agena was real good,\nup to, and of course we woul d onl y get up as far as\n@@++FtDE~+.11\":"
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   "n": 298,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p298.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n287\nthe nadir, but I think it wa.s helpful and I think\nf l ight proved the same thing that we concluded in\nthis , that it wa.s a. very simpl e task, once you ha.d\nacquired something.. . . . .the track.\nOnce you ha.d acquired something, yes .\nThe one thing that I, to this day gave me the funniest\nsensations though, is when you track through the nadir\nand the things started to speed up and reverse I get\nthe weirdest sensation that we passed the nadir and\ngot a.bout 30° going behind us .\nI almost had myself\nreversed in flight, like I wa.s coming up on it again.\nNow, I can' t explain the feeling but it was weird.\nIt's a real odd optical i llusion where you a.re like\nyou are in an inverted spin-type situation. You a.re\nlooking--going back over here and the angle out is\nchanging such that you al most do have the feeling\nthat it's - that you have suddenly s tarted changing\nyour whole angle... .\nAnd if you're looking a.t the nadir, and you're track­\ning through in just one axis , pitch or something like\nthat, invariably you're off a. l ittl e bit in yaw, you\nsee, and you'll get going, all of a sudden it will\nstart speeding up, and if there is any roll in there\na.t a.11; all of a sudden the roll will pick up ,"
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   "n": 299,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p299.jpg",
   "text": "288\nI\nCooper\n14.6 Planetarium\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n•\nso all of a sudden this target\nwhich has been going this _way and getiing a little\nbit smaller al l of a sudden the whole world will\nstart t o roll on you too as you are gcing away.\nhad the feeling that I was falling over a cliff\nevery time we got back to the end of that thing.\nIt was pretty weird.\nWell, here again, I just can't emphasize enough\nI think that a lot of people under play the val ue of\nthe planetarium.\nI think Pete even agrees with me\nnow that boy, that doggone planetariUIIJ is pretty\nessential training,\nYes, i t felt ... . pretty good.\nThe planetarium, unfortunately, is an item in your\nt raining program that is very easy to cut out. You\nsay well I don't really know that, I can take along\na star chart and I can recognize these, and we all\nt end t o do that. We all tend to try and fall into\nthat.\nI tell you, we would never have gotten Nye 1 s\nZodiacal light done without having gone up there at\nthe .. . and taken his displ ay on it.\nOh, yes. If we hadn't gone up there a ~d actually\ngone through it we would never had don= it.\n'CONFt&li►44~ /ttl"
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   "n": 300,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p300.jpg",
   "text": "289\nConrad\nAnd with the gun site superimposed, excuse me,\nreticle superimposed on it.\nPut it right there to\norient it with the Southern Cross and Grus and\nFomalhaut we would have never gotten that\nexperiment done, without having gone through that\nreally that half a day did it for that experiment.\nCooper\nYes.\nThat salvaged the experiment.\nOf course he\nwill probably ruin the film anyway,\nThe celestial\nidentification up there t I think one thing that I\nrecommend that we are going to have to crank up the\nbrightness of the stars because we have had them\ncranked down to the Mercury level here all this\ntime and it's just too confusing when you get up\nthere you see so many more stars than you did in Mercury\n,\nI\nso we are going to have to raise the level, brightness\nlevel of it back up.\nUp for the training that we\ndo because there were multitudes more stars than we\nhad been trainL~g on.\nConrad\nThe stars move around in orbit too fast to use them\nfor spacecraft orientation, as far as I was concerned.\nIn other words I might recognize a constellation\nout there,\nThe Southern Cross or Orion or something\nlike that , but unless you know your exact point of\ntime and have a star chart sitting m front of you"
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   "n": 301,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p301.jpg",
   "text": "290\nand even with a star chart sitting in front of you\nit wouldn't help you with spacecraft orientation.\nI take it that what you are saying.\nDo I know\nwhat I am in roll, pitch and yaw to the horizon, or\nsomething like that.\nI don't think so, because\nmost of that stuff is moving too fast up there.\nCooper\nWell , so far as it's yaw orientation :.t gives you\nrelatively good angle. For instance you always\nknow if you swing around just one lit·;le\nYou\nremember when we would swing around and there was\nCassiopeia, you knew that you were hended generally\nnorth.\nConrad\nWell , yes that's true.\nYou knew that you were on\none side of the track or the other.\nn\nCooper\nPleides and the ... whenever you would see the\nPleides, it always points east, so thnt gives you a\nclue and there are several pretty good clues and I\nalways lmow when I see Delphinus that the Summer\nTriangle is near by.\nConrad\nYou're right, it would tell me where H was pointed\nbut it wouldn't have told me anything in roll. In\nothe.r words I wouldn I t say that I would use it\ncompletely for a three axis spacecraft orientation.\nIt might give me an idea of which way the sky was"
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   "n": 302,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p302.jpg",
   "text": "291\n-IM\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\npointing but that wouldn't tell me whether I was\nupside down or right side up or anything, but I\ndon't know the stars that well.\nWith the accurate star chart updated and then finding\nthe stars on there, then you could use them for\nspacecraft orientation.\nI'm taking this to mean you are talking about a\nquick orientation, you know, I aborted in the\nmiddle of the night on launch if I went on a\nnight launch, would I know which way I was going?\nI don't think so .\nI don't know.\nYou would be very lucky, you would just have to see\none you could recognize.\nYou can take your time when you are planning in\nadvance.\nOkay.\nNow you want to use Orion to\nline up in a certain way with my reticle.\nNow\nthat's a different story, but that would have to\nbe done at a specific time because Orion moves all\nthe way through the sky and it turns over on a 72\ndegree launch azimuth.\nWell, tracking task.\nWe didn ' t cover that but I\nthink it is pr etty obvious that you can use it for\ntracking task we found .\n•"
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   "n": 303,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p303.jpg",
   "text": "292\n@OfictFtDEf~TIAP •\nConrad\nOh yes.\nCooper\nSpacecraft orientation.\nI agree, you need a little\nhelp on that .\nIt would be a help ~o find a horizon,\nbut you could get pitch and yaw on it md then\nmaybe use the stars as a yaw orientat i on.\n14,7\nSyst ems Briefing\nConrad\nWell , boy I can't say enough for the t;rpe we got\nat McDonnell - were relatively different in nature and\nthe type we got down here but I can' t :,ay enough for\nboth of them because they are both essential. I'll\nt ell you old Bob Snyder's one remark about that cryo\nstuff being abl e to go through that heat exchanger\nas a liq_uid and not bother anything would . . .\nI\nI\njust can' t say enough for how that took the load off\nof our minds when we were up there.\nCooper\nYes, I think the -­\nConrad\nA lot of little tidbits that we had out of these,\nspecifically the gu:ys here at the Ca.Pe,\nCooper-\nI would sar that the content that we hE\\d at the\nsys t ems briefing was excellent.\nI would say the\nnumber we had scheduled, I would consic.er the absolute\nminimum.\nI t hink that you should have at an early\ndate some very thorough,extensive syste·ms briefings\nat a later date, closer to the flight some\nPllit8E~~lhhlt\nand then"
  },
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   "n": 304,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p304.jpg",
   "text": "293\n14. 8 Flight\nExperiments\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nadditional, maybe shorter, brush-ups on it.\nI\nthink the people who have done, the McDonnell\npeople and some of our own people and some of the\nMcDonnell people and up at McDonnell is the way to\ndo it.\nI think, I want the people to really !mow the\nsystems, to use the systems briefing.\nI don't\nthink they can be over emphasized, they're really\nnecessary.\nSimulations.\nWell, we can rule out Denver because we didn't go\nthere, and MAC, I 'll never consider ever flying a\nflight without a horizontal seater on all the gear.\nWait a minute now, we are in flight experiments.\nThis is training.\nWe got simulation, GMS , Translation\nand Docking and at Denver.\nThis is all backwards\nbecause we didn't go to Denver.\nOh, okay, simulation.\nWell, okay GMS, on flight experiments .. . . we really\ndidn't do an awful lot of flight experiments in the\nGMS.\nNo , the only thing we used the GMS f or down here was\na final stowage revue when we got all changed around.\nWe used it for the REP of course. A brush through on\nthe REP.\nConrad\nWe never rigged.\nI take it back we did rig.\nWe"
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   "n": 305,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p305.jpg",
   "text": "294\nwent so far as working out the REP that the D-2\ncamera wanted to pull it out at real t ime but we\nnever put it in the window.\nWe riggecl a 16 mm.\nYes, we did use the GMS for all the things that\nwere concerned with the REP which had to do with\nmany stowed items, experiment items.\nCooper\nOkay.\nTranslation and docking t raine,~s .\nLet me just\nsay this as far as the simulations on flight\nexperiments.\nI really think you can use a mock- up\nto greater advantage and most experimnnts than you\ncan the GMS .\nConrad\nYes. I think you are right.\nCooper\nI think you are tyi::g up the GMS in mnny cases over\nthings that you don ' t need to tie it up for .\nTranslation and docking trainer.\nI would like to have\nhad maybe a little more time in it although I think\nwe got 99 per cent of what we needed t o get.\nConrad\nYes, the afternoon I spent in it was worthwhile,\nrunning the D- 6 camera eq_uipment, takj_ng some\npictures and tracking them.\nAll put ·;ogerther\nthe GMS and the tracking thing and thn horizontal\nSEDR up at MAC ended up to good familiarity with\nthe experiments equipment .\n14.9 Spacecraft System Tests\nCooper\nOkay, and at MAC we didn ' t really run1 as you say,\n-.i @el>,,FID~►~T Jl\\t"
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   "n": 306,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p306.jpg",
   "text": "295\nt he horizontal SEDR was - around the spacecraft ­\nwas really the only\nflight experiments thing that we did on it up there .\nLet's see, flight experiments. Briefings.\nWell ,\nI think some of the experiments, some were better\nthan others.\nSome were lousy and generally the ones\nthat got there in politically where the lousiest,\nor they didn I t bother to show up.\nI think this is\nsomething that should be very carefully controlled by\nthe experiments board. If the experiment is going\nto be chosen the people who are the experiment ers\nshould be forced to come in and give you a good\nbriefing on these, everything ahllt them, or other­\nwise they ought to be thr own off. Equipment -­\nnow this is along the same line -- I think that you\nneed desperately to observe freeze dates for the\noperation and availability of the experiments.\nEquipment for the experiments, if it isn't available\ni t ought to be thrown off the flight. I think that\nsomebody somewhere along the line ought to back this.\nMaybe it has to go t o the LBJ level or something, I\ndon ' t know.\nSpacecraft systems t est . .. . I\npersonaliy am not very impressed with the multipl e"
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   "n": 307,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p307.jpg",
   "text": "296\nConrad\nCooper\n14.10 Egress\nTraining\nparallel testing.\nI don ' t feel that the crew really\ngets an awful lot out of, out of the spacecraft\nsystems tests anymore because there are so many\ntests going on at the same time that you can't\nreally keep a handle on what's going o:n and really\nget much of a feel for what's going on.\nYou evolve\nt o an automated- type thing of calling three scripts\nat the same time and throwing switches and listening\nt o quite a complex thing going on.\nI think that a\nfew of the systems tests that still go on such as the\nECS test and the altitude chamber type thing are\nstill well worthwhile, but I think that the parallel\nmethod of testing has decreased the val ue of the\nspacecraft systems test to the crew by great\nextent.\nThere's no doubt about it, though, in l>eing present\nyou keep them honest on many occasions.\nWell , that 1 s right.\nOn the--it is good in that re­\nspect, but as far as the training point of view it\ndoes give you some certain familiarity with the sys­\ntems too, but I was just pointing out i:hat it was\ndecreased over what it used to be.\nI really thought our egress training wa.s well wort h­\nwhile- ­\n•"
  },
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   "n": 308,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p308.jpg",
   "text": "297\nConrad\nBoy, I do too.\nCooper\nI think that was a good exercise-­\nConrad\nIt was wel l organized-­\nCooper\nI thought it was well organized and well run and\njust very well done and I felt like it gave us a\ngreat confidence in the water situation.\nConrad\nI felt real good when we hit the water.\nCooper\nYes, I don't think there was a qualm in our mind\nat all when we hit the water that we were right on\ntop of the situation--just no problem.\nIn fact , I\ndidn't even bother listening for l eaks .\nConrad\nYes .\n14,11 Parachute Training\nCooper\nParachute training.\nAs far as I'm concerned I\nthink if you've had any--I don ' t feel that I missed\nparachute training at all .\nI personally think that .1 s\none you could just delete.\nI think sometime, some­\nwhere al ong when people come in to the program,\nthey need parachute famil iarity and parachute train­\ning. Of course, I ' m of the banned school and I\nbelieve very strongl y that we should have actual\nparachute jump training.\nConrad\nI do, too .\nCooper\nIf people think this is too dangerous for this"
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   "n": 309,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p309.jpg",
   "text": "298\n..\nunhazardous occupation. ..\n14.12 Launch Simulati on\nCooper\nLaunch simulation,\nI thought they were very worth­\nwhile and I think launch sims that we :~ave with the\nwhol e, with MCC tied in, are extremely worthwhile.\n14. 13 Network Simul at i on\nCooper\nI think net sims are worthwhil e .\n14.14 Reentry Simulat ions\nCooper\nI think the reentry sims we had were ~1valuable.\nIn fact, I would sort of l iked to have had a few\nmore reentry sims.\nConrad\nYes.\n14,15 Simul ated Network Simul ations\nCooper\nSims, net sims. I thought were-­\nConrad\nThey were invaluable on the REP.\nCooper\nThey were good for the REP,\nConrad\nI think we got something out of the l aunch sims ,\ntoo, al though that exercise is more fo:~ on the\nground,\nCooper\nYes, the launch sims had diminishing r1~turns--i t\ntook us a l ong time to cover the grouncl that we\nshoul d have covered,\nConrad\nI think it stayed with the crew and wao worthwhile\njust to get you plugged in to the neg ngain and get\nto hear some of the thing'f! you' re going to actually\n~•Ptf;)tNTfrA.Le\n."
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   "n": 310,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p310.jpg",
   "text": "299\nhear over the net . . .the reentry sims are more im­\nportant...because it~s a more coordinated effort\nbetween you and the ground, and I'm convinced that\nfor any rendezvous situations that some net sims\nhave to be--be run...\n14.16 Zero \"G\" Flights\nCooper\nYes , well , okay, zero g flights, ...I 'm not real ly\nsure just what value you get out of zero g f l ights.\nConrad\nWel l , I l earned one thing, it was the only oppor­\ntunity that I had before the flight to get--even\nthough it was a bunny suit at the time, a pressure\nsuit up there in zero g and get some idea-- opening\nand cl osing it which we did many times in the flight\nand so forth ...And I think we both learned a little\nsomething there.\nI would say now I've done zero g\nin the airplanes and I ' ve done it in the spacecraft~\nand if I f l y again I certainly don't need to go\nback and do any zero g work again.\nCooper\nI really-­\nConrad\nAs far as Gemini is concerned.\nCooper\nI reall y didn't-­\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nOh, Oh, well that ' s a different story, yes .\nWel l,\nwe did do EVA's ...but if I was going to do something\n€0PltFt018'fTl!Ar"
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   "n": 311,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p311.jpg",
   "text": "300\n\"EVA again, yes,-­\nCooper\nYes , I think this zero g airplane plane is well\nworthwhile for a specific mission, especially mis­\nsion training. But so far, as just in general.. .\nI don ' t bel ieve it's particularly worthwhile.\nWell , it is worthwhile like Pete said, that if a\nman hasn't ever made a f l ight before a~d never ex­\nperienced zero g, certainl y good to f~niliarize\nhim.\nConrad\nYes, I agree with you on EVA .\n14.17 Flight Plan Training\nCooper\nOkay, f l ight plan training.\nWell , we never did\nreally have much time to do any real f1ight plan\nt raining, other than-­\nConrad\nYes, the only thing that we were invol'red in really\nwas the REP and how it was going to go ,\nWe l et\nJerry Jones l ay out the rest of it without us really\nputting much effort into it. There rnally wasn ' t\na heck of a l ot we coul d do along that line.. .\nCooper\nAnd I think for long missions this rea:.-time thing\nis going to go, is going to have to go on, many\nchanges to be made so I 'm not sure that the over..-all\nmission needs training.. . I think maybe you might just\nrun spot portions of it on the time-critical of course-­"
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   "n": 312,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p312.jpg",
   "text": "301\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\n,\nI\nWhat do you mean by operational check, you were\ntalking about system checks; in flight?\nYes, flight plan training. . .\nOperation checks.\nThruster ill umination.\nWell, I don't have much\nfeel for that one way or another other than what I\nsaid earlier this morning-- yes, I think I don't\nknow why it's as plain as the nose on my face but\nI think we l eaped off the wrong assumption--that\neverything was going to run right without checking\nand I think that we shoul d flight plan up the first\norbit now with more checks in it. That was a very\npoor assumption on this part , the more I even think\nabout it, because it was a perfectly likel y situation\nto have some part of those three systems to be not\nworking right , and it would have been a simpl e matter\nto have gone to the secondary scanners and el imina­\nting the problem at the very beginning that we had,\nbut we weren't smart enough to know that.\nWe are\nnow."
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   "n": 313,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p313.jpg",
   "text": "302\n15. 1 Crew Quarters\nCooper\n15 .0\nCONCLUDING REMARKS\nOne comment on the crew area here .\nI think that the\ncrew area here is a real good place to stay and that\nthe kitchen facility we have set up i ~: very worth­\nwhile, when a real tight schedule is almost a neces­\nsi ty.\nHowever, the bedrooms are not ~:oundproof at\nall. You can hear anything throughout the whole\nthing.\nAny noise at all that goes on, or a tele­\nvision or radio playing anywhere thr01:.ghout the whole\nthing is very easily heard throughout the enti re\nbuilding.\nI say this only because this was one of\nt he suggestions that we had before t he place was ever\nbuild, that the bedrooms be soundproofed.\nThis was\nbased on our old Hangar S experiences.\nDue to the\nfact that heavy construction is going on all the\ntime , this place is completely useless so far as\ndaytime sleeping.\nThere is no possibility of sleep\naround here during the day due to the jackhammers\nand construction work going on.\nSo, if any shift\nwork is going on, I recommend that someone keep them\na motel room, and sleep during the day at the motel\nroom if you are working night shifts around here and"
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   "n": 314,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p314.jpg",
   "text": "303\ntrying t o sleep during the day and run any kind of\nnight test s .\nSo far as the people that we had with us that run the\npl ace - - I think the place is very adequately run.\nI think one person her e who certainly deserves\nbouquets is the maid, Joyce, who just can ' t do\nenough for keeping all the laundry done.\nShe keeps\nthe pl~ce, I think, very, very satisfactorily clean\nand squared away.\nPete, do you have anyi;hing to add?\nConrad\nWell , I didn ' t hear all of what you said, but I really\n/\nt hought the crew quarters were a great save f or\nus.\nI agree with all the things about the noises and\neverything, with all the construction going on now.\nI t 's kind of hard.\nI do think that there is one thing\nthat I ' m goi ng to have to go on record as saying we\nmissed in our training, and there ' s no doubt about\nabout it.\nWe were so pressed that we didn ' t have\nenough time f or adequate physical training.\n15. 2 Physical Training and Aircraft Flying\nCooper\nThere were t wo things;\nwe had inadequate physical\ntraining, arid I think we were somewhat short. on air­\nplane flight time .\nI would have liked to have had a\nf ew more days to be able -- when we were do,m here on\nour last period of time -- to got out and just fly\n~MMU.L"
  },
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   "n": 315,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p315.jpg",
   "text": "304\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\n15. 3 Sea Lab\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\nCooper\nlocal.\nI flew l ocal once the whole time I was down here .\nYes, I don ' t think I f lew local at al l .\nNo , that ' s right.\nAnd I thi nk, her e agai n, we were caught in the\nmiddle of a bad scheduling situati on, which higher\nlevel woul d not allow us to do anythin15 about .\nBut ,\nI think we di d the best we could with t he short\namount of time we had .\nI personally f ,~el that we wer e\nextremely short on recreational time ru1d on flying\ntime.\nWe were pretty hard pushed there and on\nphysical conditioning time .\nDid you all ever get to tal k to Scott Jarpenter?\nYes.\nYes.\nThe l ast day, the second orbit before ·,;e were at\nr etro.\nYes, just before retro.\n15.4 Watches and Cl ocks\nFCSD Red\nDo you want to say anythi ng about watches and clocks?\nConrad\nI think Gordo mentioned his Acutron stayed within\n4 seconds during the whole flight and we only set\nit twice."
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   "n": 316,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p316.jpg",
   "text": "305\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nConrad\nMy clock you talking about?\nIt was the one-­\nMy own personal Acutron I never reset and it was\nsome 15 seconds off at the end of the flight for the\nwhole 8-day period.\nThe Acutron on the panel, the\npanel mounted Acutron, was--I changed it about 4\nseconds . It ran 4 seconds f ast t he entire flight.\nThe Omega that I wore was some 2 minutes off the\nfirst day and the second day was another l minute\nand some odd off, at whi ch time I just quit winding\n/\nit .\nI quit winding it about the third day and\nnever even bothered using it again.\nThe stop watch\nthat I was--that I took along--at the end of the\nthird day was still only about 2 to 3 seconds off.\nIt actually was quite good and I just didn' t have\noccasion to use one and let i t run on down.\nAnd\nthen I cranked it up for reentry and started two\nminutes after retrofire.\nYour clock over there ran\nreasonably accuratel y\nyour little 8 day clock over\nthere, didn ' t i t?\nEight day clock ran real well. I kept it on GMT-­\nthe two big wrist watches I carried, I carried mainly\nfor the REP maneuver and didn't use them too much. I\ndid use them to count down to retrofire and my Glycene\n~E~TIAcbs"
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   "n": 317,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p317.jpg",
   "text": "306\nwatch here I kept on G.m. t .\n15.5 Miscellaneous Discrepancies\nCooper\nFCSD Rep\nCooper\nOK , I have a little list of discrepanc:.es -ti~ that\nI might just include here. These are discrepancies\nthat I noted during the flight and somn of them\nhave been noted bef ore, but I might juHt hit them\nreal briefly. Just to make sure we have all of\nthem. 1. We lost the stage 2 IPS fuel\ngage shortly after launch.\n2.\nWe encountered this\nPOGO effect at 2 minutes and 6 seconds.\n3.\nWe\nlost communications near SECO on UHF No . 1.\nmany of these have already been explained why, but\nI just--1 111 get these down. 4.\nWe lC>st fuel cell\no2 tank heaters. 5. The M..:1 experimer..t pooped out\nand also I thought it was objectionably noisy.\n6. The gray interior paint flecks off of the guard\nbars and off several areas of the cockpit areas and •\nfloats and flecks around on the inside. 7.\nThe\nplatform mode was no good for t he burm, and was not\nholding the spacecraft as it should.\nLet me ask one question. Did you ever try that\nplatform control mode on the RCS system?\nNo , I didn't. Sure didn't. I wish I l:.ad, I just-­\nI guess I had just given it up at that point and\njust didn I t get around to it .\nI should. have.\nThe"
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   "n": 318,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p318.jpg",
   "text": "Conrad\nplatform mode should work very well. There's no\nreason why it shouldn't work very well and I just\ncan't help but believe it was probably in the OAMS\nsystem. 8.\nI would strongly recommend unsnapable\nlegs on a harness like a regular aircraft parachute\nharness with adjustable buckle-snap combination\nthings rather than the custom made harness that we\nhave.\nI think they would be much more usuable for\nflight. 9,\nThe cabin temperature gage failed-­\ncame back in the fifth day for one day and then went\nback out again. 10.\nWe did not use the polaroid\nwindow covers for launch so we don't know how they\nwill evaluate holding on for launch.\nHowever, they\nworked out extreme~y well for flight. 11. Rest\ncycles are not observed.\nToo many little things\nkeep getting thrown in that require two people.\n12.\nThe PC02 gage was very irratic. It kept coming\nup and indicating PC02 up around 1 mm and it did\nthat for a while and then back down.\nAnd, 13. Tape\nrecorder quit some time during the fifth day.\nThat's\nabout it.\nWe had a couple here--l et ' s see, di d we get the thing\nabout cabin lights getting hot? And melting paint?\nCooper\nThe -l~iugh ! hey will burn your"
  },
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   "n": 319,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p319.jpg",
   "text": "308\nhands and in particular the bright overhead one is\nvery hot .\nConrad\nOne other--let ' s see, we talked about the purge\nswitches being 3-positioned rather than spring\nl oaded .\nAnd one other thing we noticed, one systems\nglitch which seemed to affect either scanner-- out\nover the Pacific a couple of times we passed some\nreally, really, really big areas of cload cover-,\nI mean we were almost--the whole visible sky or\nground was covered with clouds or a good portion of\nit and this seemed to give the scanners fits.\nCooper\nThese same cloud.a were that big cloud t hat had all\nthe lightning in it too--later on we- ­\nConrad\nWell, it may have been.\nI didn' t make n.ny correla­\ntion that way, but I, in the daytime, I noticed that\nthe scanners had quite a hard time doiner their job\nwhen they were looking at much horizon covered by\nclouds.\nGot very irratic.\nI think that ' s a known\nphenomena--with scanners, anyhow, but I just wanted\nto mention that they did kind of kick up when there\nwere a lot of clouds a.round.\nWe talked about the\nright auxiliary light bulb bug thing breaking off.\nAnd I have one question,\nThere was one place in the\nworld where we 0\nased at:!Ct a great deal of\nrCOW:t EblTlit"
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   "n": 320,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p320.jpg",
   "text": "Cooper\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nFCSD Rep\nConrad\nCooper\nConrad\n309\ngigantic fires on the ground and just out of curiosity\nI want to know where we were--and it happened on\nthe sixth day at 01 hours 02 minutes and 15 seconds\nso maybe we'll be able to find out where we were.\nThat's all I got, Gordo, how about you, anything\nmore?\nNo.\nOh, I got--Pete, you mentioned.you blew that oxygen-­\nBlew the OAMS squib--could not hear it blow. Had\nno way of telling that it really worked.\nYou can ' t\npulse a regulator up and I did and it works just\nlike it does in the trainer. It gives it a blip, you\nknow, and you got to keep blipping it up.\nAnd I\nbuilt it up to about 325 from about 300 just to see\nif it would do it and it did. So the system\nworked OK.\nBut I still don 1t know that the squib\nwas blown--you know you pulse, anyhow.\nWell, other than looking.\nYeah. Well, I thought the squib was in the adapter.\nNo way of telling, I don't think.\nI f they are lucky they. might have--(laughter)\nWell, they found a booster-- they might find the\nadapter."
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   "n": 321,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p321.jpg",
   "text": ".\n310\n\"8NftDE~◄ Tt~H?\n15.6 Medical Aspects\nCooper\nI agree completely that the crew area.::iere should be\ni solated from the medics.\nI don ' t feel that the\nmedical department should have anythini? whatsoever to\ndo with crew quarters; otherwise, I thi nk the crew\nshould j ust go right ahead and live up to flight day in\na motel or somewhere else, because I have a very\nstrong feeling t hat the medical deparu~ent is trying\nto make a clinic out of this place up here.\nI think the crew area should be held completely devoid\nof medics.\nI don't think they should have anything to\ndo with the running of the crew quarters.\nI think the\ncrew should establish its own procedurns of whether\nthey're going to have low residue dietB, or . whether\nthey're not going to have low residue diets, based upon\nrecommendations from previous crews, fJ~om previous\nflight experiences along the way, and what everyone\nwho has worked with it has passed on.\nWe hope we can\nget all this information gathered up ir, a form that\neach crew coming along can be given a c.ondensation perhaps\nof all the previous crew' s comments on things of this\ntype, such as diets, methods of defecation and urination,"
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   "n": 322,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p322.jpg",
   "text": "311\n€O~◄ P'I0E~~TIAL •\nurination systems. drinking water systems. and pre­\nflight set- up type things.\nAs far as the medical-~\nI'd like to hit that specifically.\n5"
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   "n": 323,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p323.jpg",
   "text": "312\nWe ·1a.ndeij on• t~e\\ ree.Trier at ' ·\"­\nmid- morning, carrier time, and we acconplished not\none bit of debriefing or operational work throughout\nthat day at all.\nWe went to bed that night without\never having done one bit of our own de1iriefi ng of any\nkind, whatsoever.\nThe entire day was npent with\nthe medical community.\nI don't know that we lost\nanything there, particularly, but I st:.ll think there\nare a lot of things you could sit down and start\nt aping that would be a lot fresher in ;irour mind.\nAlthough, I think with two people on the flight , you\ntend to jog one another enough that yon don ' t forget\n( .\nabout things you might when one person has been on a\nflight.\nNow, so far a.s +,ne preflight nedical aspects,\nI still have some very strenous object:.ons to it and\ncomments to make.\nI think that T- 2 days physical -­\ngiving t hit extensive a physical at that period of\ntime i s kind of ridiculous.\nI think you really drag\na guy throught the hoops there just 2 clays before his\nflight and completely grind him down on a very, very\nextensive physical that I don ' t agree with the medics\nas being necessary.\nAnd I don ' t agree with all the\nblood- letting that was involved in thin.\nI think that\nal l the number of i njections and sticko and reinser­\ntions of isotopic bl ood and everything was completely\nM).taiFtDE►,TtM •"
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   "n": 324,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p324.jpg",
   "text": "313\nunnecessary, and, again, was just a matter of r e­\nsearch rather than anything else."
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   "n": 325,
   "image": "https://wearenotalone.space/transcripts/nasa-uap-d020/p325.jpg",
   "text": "j\n..\n..·­.\n.1"
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